Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti came into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a significant presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is one little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping in his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just do something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and would cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told him to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, got tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won a few regional and national math competitions. Coincidence? I don't know! RR , Parvathi Binu <parukuttiez> wrote: > Hi, > I've heard that if you keep a shiva statue at your > house, its possible that you get into fight with the > people living over there. Actually last week i bought > a shiva family keychain. I live in dorm(Apt) here in > US. I'm doing my degree. This week on Tuesday night me > & my room mate got into a fight. The fight was over > stupid reasons. But it became worse & i'm moving out. > I'm looking for another apt to live. So the fight > became a major issue. Did that happen because of the > keychain? If so, i don't wanna keep that anymore. So > please guide me. > My DOB: April 2nd 1983 > TOB: 8:38 > POB: Bharananganam (Kottayam Dist, Kerala) > > Thanks in advance. > Parvathy > > ........OrU NaLuM NokkathE Matti Vacha...........PranaYathiN PusthakaM NeE ThurakkuM............AthiLannU NeE EntE PerU KanuM...................AthiLentE JeevantE NerU KanuM.......... > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 dear friend neither the shiva family photo nor the keychain is responsible for you. please visit the following group dedicated to lord shiva to know more about him. with best wishes arjun Parvathi Binu <parukuttiez wrote: Hi, I've heard that if you keep a shiva statue at your house, its possible that you get into fight with the people living over there. Actually last week i bought a shiva family keychain. I live in dorm(Apt) here in US. I'm doing my degree. This week on Tuesday night me & my room mate got into a fight. The fight was over stupid reasons. But it became worse & i'm moving out. I'm looking for another apt to live. So the fight became a major issue. Did that happen because of the keychain? If so, i don't wanna keep that anymore. So please guide me. My DOB: April 2nd 1983 TOB: 8:38 POB: Bharananganam (Kottayam Dist, Kerala) Thanks in advance. Parvathy .........OrU NaLuM NokkathE Matti Vacha...........PranaYathiN PusthakaM NeE ThurakkuM............AthiLannU NeE EntE PerU KanuM...................AthiLentE JeevantE NerU KanuM.......... Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Hi Parvati In my experience, Lord Shiva should be addressed very carefully in whatever way possible like mantras, yajnas, statues etc. Shiva mantras are very powerful but they are very sensitive too. Regarding this statues, in my experience statues of Ganesha and Lakshmi are fine to keep in home. They generally never harm. But I have always tried to keep shiva statue or shiva lingam in my room with mixed effects ie good but also with bad. Only about a weak back I kept shiva statue in my room for 4-5 days and got some benefits, but it caused me serious indigestion and stomuch problems so I had to back off. So you see. . . Diseases and fights from Shiva mantras / statues would be more if your saturn connects to your 6th house or lord. You can safely keep Ganesha and/or Lakshmi statues in your rooms. I would like to experiement and see what other statues can be kept safely. I started keeping Lakshmi statue in my room few days back and enjoying a lot of blessings of divine mother. Next I want to see if shiva lingam / statue can be kept before you when you do mantras. Whatever statue you keep in your room - here is a personal advice that keep in a place that you never show your back to it that much while you are in your room. As an example, my comp table is in east side in my room, when I sit here so the statues I kept in north side are in my left side. Then other times I am on my reading table then I have the statues right before me. Then when I sleep or lie on the bed, my head is to the west and legs to the east, even then the statues are not in the direction of my feet or my back. I think this is a very important idea while placing statues, in my experience. Hope this helps. Regards Tanvir PS. To others, my net was not working and right now it started to work with troubles. I shall soon reply others' mail within 1-2 days. Thanks. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Parvathi Binu Friday, September 30, 2005 2:30 AM About Keeping Shiva Statue Hi, I've heard that if you keep a shiva statue at your house, its possible that you get into fight with the people living over there. Actually last week i bought a shiva family keychain. I live in dorm(Apt) here in US. I'm doing my degree. This week on Tuesday night me & my room mate got into a fight. The fight was over stupid reasons. But it became worse & i'm moving out. I'm looking for another apt to live. So the fight became a major issue. Did that happen because of the keychain? If so, i don't wanna keep that anymore. So please guide me. My DOB: April 2nd 1983 TOB: 8:38 POB: Bharananganam (Kottayam Dist, Kerala) Thanks in advance. Parvathy ........OrU NaLuM NokkathE Matti Vacha...........PranaYathiN PusthakaM NeE ThurakkuM............AthiLannU NeE EntE PerU KanuM...................AthiLentE JeevantE NerU KanuM.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Rohini Ji, Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can feel. I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some negative effects. I have not experimented with Nataraja though. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Rohini (Crystal Pages) Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti came into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a significant presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is one little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping in his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just do something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and would cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told him to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, got tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won a few regional and national math competitions. Coincidence? I don't know! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 If with his pure heart of a little innocent boy with no formal training, instructions and ego-baggages even licks an idol clean, God does not mind it, just as Lord Rama did not mind eating Shabri's pre- tasted berries! Let us purity-destroyed adults not try to emulate or analyze what a pure heart does and why -- it is beyond us or shall I say, behind us :-) RR , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Rohini Ji, > > Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can feel. > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some negative effects. > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses > where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' > households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti came > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a significant > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is one > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping in > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just do > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and would > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told him > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, got > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won a > few regional and national math competitions. > > Coincidence? I don't know! > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Dear All, I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept started! Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always helpful for giving Psychological strength and concentration and confidence in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' happened due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a picture on wall, it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of the object. In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is just a 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the combination of positive or negative factors of astro-psycho-karmic nature. All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as 'capable' of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of them say anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act done in connection with intention of worship. This concept of getting 'something bad' is purely due to individual's pre-occupied belief. Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to drive off evils including DEATH, which gets him the name MRITYUNJAYA. Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like MARKANDEYA or DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither for well versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! HOW CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS WORSHIP? Don't you think it is purely illogical and superstitious!? YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA which involves 'different' kind of worship for the material benefit of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. There can be no good results by placing an image not in 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct place according to VAASTU on correct days according to JYOTISHA. It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As I too have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are very 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters finally is the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of Geeta, in its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! ("It results in what one feels like") yours humbly KAD , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Rohini Ji, > > Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can feel. > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some negative effects. > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses > where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' > households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti came > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a significant > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is one > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping in > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just do > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and would > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told him > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, got > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won a > few regional and national math competitions. > > Coincidence? I don't know! > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Dear Kadrudraji I am happy to see your reply on this topic which exactly coincides with my views and opinion. You are correct in many ways but still I have something to point out here. As you said all gods are life-savers and not destructive to anyone.But puranas and our gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many works on this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody has tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced not to like certain places and people in our day-to-day life. Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont like to stay in certain places in certain forms.I can explain this with an example..A sea fish is a fish but if its closed in a bottle with water..it cannot live long or happily. Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in home...These are words from our predecessors...from experience and faith..Vasthu Sastra also contributes to this. At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will of the person that determines the way....Where there is a Will There is a Way.......... Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of people for Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the best and leave everything to god. With thanks and regards Balaji G kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear All, I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept started! Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always helpful for giving Psychological strength and concentration and confidence in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' happened due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a picture on wall, it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of the object. In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is just a 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the combination of positive or negative factors of astro-psycho-karmic nature. All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as 'capable' of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of them say anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act done in connection with intention of worship. This concept of getting 'something bad' is purely due to individual's pre-occupied belief. Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to drive off evils including DEATH, which gets him the name MRITYUNJAYA. Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like MARKANDEYA or DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither for well versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! HOW CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS WORSHIP? Don't you think it is purely illogical and superstitious!? YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA which involves 'different' kind of worship for the material benefit of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. There can be no good results by placing an image not in 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct place according to VAASTU on correct days according to JYOTISHA. It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As I too have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are very 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters finally is the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of Geeta, in its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! ("It results in what one feels like") yours humbly KAD , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Rohini Ji, > > Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can feel. > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some negative effects. > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses > where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' > households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti came > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a significant > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is one > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping in > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just do > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and would > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told him > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, got > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won a > few regional and national math competitions. > > Coincidence? I don't know! > > RR > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 dear friends this healthy debate on modes of worship increases the knowledge of a layman, hence some more information. in my childhood i was told by the elders that goddess kali, gods hanuman and narasimha are fiery gods and hence we shall not worship them. but when i grew up and found millions of vaishnavites worshipping narasimha and there are hundreds of temples, i understood there is no logic even if the sastra say so. similarly i was also told in the childhood by some self-proclaimed learnt local pandits that hanuman is a fiery god and if one worships the devotee would remain a bachelor but when i grew up i found crores of devotees (including myself) have found lord hanuman as the most kind god and there is no wonder when i find even in these busy days LAKHS of devotees stand in line for several hours for a glimpse of the markat hanuman mandir in jamuna bazar, delhi which i visit every tuesday. when i was a child because of the red color tonuge i found goddess kali as a fiery goddess and did not worship her. but when i grew up and found crores of bengalis worshipping her on a daily basis and most of them even keeping her statues in the house and seeking her blessings, i realised that she too is a kind goddess. similar is the story of bhairava. i was also shown sastras and stories from puranas by the learnt pandits as to why only a shivling shall be worshiped and not a shiva statue. to this logic, i got convinced as all shiva temples across the country have only shiv ling as diety and not a shiva statue. simply put, no side affects or no problem or worry in keeping the photos of any fiery god or goddess if it is just for worshipping and seeking their blessings. the problem arises when one resort to tantric practices wherein certain rituals are performed to invoke the grace of these same fiery gods and goddesses. having done enough research and experience in this tantra myself, i have seen many people becoming fakirs and losing material comforts and families and few gurus of mine have even lost their lives also. hence one shall desist from doing any tantric upasana as it is not safe unlike normal worshipping. for many mails received from the group members and visitors seeking more knowledge on tantra, i advised all of them not to get into this subject at all until they retire from life and have no attachments at all. calling shiva as a rudra devata is akin to calling vishnu as a ugra devata because of his incarnation as narasimha both of which holds no water. hence friends, worship gods and goddesses in any manifestation or form as you like without any worry at all. with best wishes arjun "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Kadrudraji I am happy to see your reply on this topic which exactly coincides with my views and opinion. You are correct in many ways but still I have something to point out here. As you said all gods are life-savers and not destructive to anyone.But puranas and our gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many works on this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody has tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced not to like certain places and people in our day-to-day life. Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont like to stay in certain places in certain forms.I can explain this with an example..A sea fish is a fish but if its closed in a bottle with water..it cannot live long or happily. Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in home...These are words from our predecessors...from experience and faith..Vasthu Sastra also contributes to this. At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will of the person that determines the way....Where there is a Will There is a Way.......... Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of people for Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the best and leave everything to god. With thanks and regards Balaji G kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear All, I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept started! Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always helpful for giving Psychological strength and concentration and confidence in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' happened due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a picture on wall, it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of the object. In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is just a 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the combination of positive or negative factors of astro-psycho-karmic nature. All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as 'capable' of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of them say anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act done in connection with intention of worship. This concept of getting 'something bad' is purely due to individual's pre-occupied belief. Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to drive off evils including DEATH, which gets him the name MRITYUNJAYA. Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like MARKANDEYA or DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither for well versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! HOW CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS WORSHIP? Don't you think it is purely illogical and superstitious!? YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA which involves 'different' kind of worship for the material benefit of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. There can be no good results by placing an image not in 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct place according to VAASTU on correct days according to JYOTISHA. It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As I too have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are very 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters finally is the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of Geeta, in its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! ("It results in what one feels like") yours humbly KAD , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Rohini Ji, > > Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can feel. > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some negative effects. > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses > where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' > households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti came > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a significant > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is one > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping in > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just do > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and would > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told him > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, got > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won a > few regional and national math competitions. > > Coincidence? I don't know! > > RR > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. India Matrimony: Find your partner online. SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. 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Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Om Krishna Guru Namaste Arjun Ji and Balaji Ji, That was a brilliant message from you on this topic and as usual, learnt few new things from you. Also, Good message from Balaji Ji on Lord Narasimha Deva. Thank you folks, keep pouring the knowledge and people like me will try to absorb/get some. Regards Raghunatha Rao , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friends > > this healthy debate on modes of worship increases the knowledge of a layman, hence some more information. > > in my childhood i was told by the elders that goddess kali, gods hanuman and narasimha are fiery gods and hence we shall not worship them. but when i grew up and found millions of vaishnavites worshipping narasimha and there are hundreds of temples, i understood there is no logic even if the sastra say so. similarly i was also told in the childhood by some self-proclaimed learnt local pandits that hanuman is a fiery god and if one worships the devotee would remain a bachelor but when i grew up i found crores of devotees (including myself) have found lord hanuman as the most kind god and there is no wonder when i find even in these busy days LAKHS of devotees stand in line for several hours for a glimpse of the markat hanuman mandir in jamuna bazar, delhi which i visit every tuesday. when i was a child because of the red color tonuge i found goddess kali as a fiery goddess and did not worship her. but when i grew up and found crores of bengalis worshipping her on a daily basis and > most of them even keeping her statues in the house and seeking her blessings, i realised that she too is a kind goddess. similar is the story of bhairava. i was also shown sastras and stories from puranas by the learnt pandits as to why only a shivling shall be worshiped and not a shiva statue. to this logic, i got convinced as all shiva temples across the country have only shiv ling as diety and not a shiva statue. > > simply put, no side affects or no problem or worry in keeping the photos of any fiery god or goddess if it is just for worshipping and seeking their blessings. > > the problem arises when one resort to tantric practices wherein certain rituals are performed to invoke the grace of these same fiery gods and goddesses. having done enough research and experience in this tantra myself, i have seen many people becoming fakirs and losing material comforts and families and few gurus of mine have even lost their lives also. hence one shall desist from doing any tantric upasana as it is not safe unlike normal worshipping. for many mails received from the group members and visitors seeking more knowledge on tantra, i advised all of them not to get into this subject at all until they retire from life and have no attachments at all. > > calling shiva as a rudra devata is akin to calling vishnu as a ugra devata because of his incarnation as narasimha both of which holds no water. > > hence friends, worship gods and goddesses in any manifestation or form as you like without any worry at all. > > with best wishes > arjun > > "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > Dear Kadrudraji > > I am happy to see your reply on this topic which exactly coincides with my views and opinion. > > You are correct in many ways but still I have something to point out here. > > As you said all gods are life-savers and not destructive to anyone.But puranas and our gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many works on this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody has tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced not to like certain places and people in our day-to-day life. > > Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont like to stay in certain places in certain forms.I can explain this with an example..A sea fish is a fish but if its closed in a bottle with water..it cannot live long or happily. > > Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in home...These are words from our predecessors...from experience and faith..Vasthu Sastra also contributes to this. > > At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will of the person that determines the way....Where there is a Will There is a Way.......... > > Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of people for Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the best and leave everything to god. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear All, > > I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept started! > Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always helpful for > giving Psychological strength and concentration and confidence > in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' happened > due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a picture on wall, > it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of the object. > > In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is just a > 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the combination > of positive or negative factors of astro-psycho-karmic nature. > All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as 'capable' > of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of them say > anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act done in > connection with intention of worship. This concept of getting > 'something bad' is purely due to individual's pre-occupied belief. > > Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to drive off > evils including DEATH, which gets him the name MRITYUNJAYA. > Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like MARKANDEYA or > DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither for well > versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! HOW > CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS WORSHIP? > Don't you think it is purely illogical and superstitious!? > > YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA which > involves 'different' kind of worship for the material benefit > of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. > > There can be no good results by placing an image not in > 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct place > according to VAASTU on correct days according to JYOTISHA. > It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As I too > have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are very > 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters finally is > the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of Geeta, in > its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! > ("It results in what one feels like") > > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > > > > Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive > about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant > effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's > effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can > feel. > > > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and > uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does > this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I > covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some > negative effects. > > > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > - > > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses > > where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') > > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' > > households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti > came > > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a > > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a > significant > > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian > > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is > one > > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age > > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a > > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident > > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping > in > > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just > do > > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and > would > > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told > him > > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a > > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright > > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, > got > > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won > a > > few regional and national math competitions. > > > > Coincidence? I don't know! > > > > RR > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Dear members, idols and staues of Gods hwether ugra swarupa or Shnati rupa have a different kind of significance and they are mbodiment of Nature.God's like Shiva have moon and is also jatajuta dhari,with serpent around his neck,he portrays a role of controller of various forces.The whole concept and appearence boosts confidence and his usual significange through a pashana(stone) linga shows his ageless presence and his forbearence.All such photographs and idols do convey several apart from the significance of Gods.idols do sound creative ideas and appearence.Infact it is what we look and expect.In the palce of worship,a specific place where every one goes to peform some kind of poojas,the idol/statue has to be inspiring.For ex Godess Sarswati,prtrays a very pleasent,calm and serene apearence.Like wise lord ganesha has always been an inspiring idol/statue. let's keep statue of god or godess with whom we are at peace atleast in prayers.there is no need to attach any special significance portray them as in our purnas in our day today pujas.we belive God for the reason we believe and worship him daily to better our efforts and seek success.we recite mantras and seek inspiration and drive. Let's leave them for personal approaches.Sure but pray as you like every day.here also we have to consider cultural differences.Every one do not pray to lord narasimha nor to siva alone.we have our own region specific God's like Kumara Swamy,Durga,Rama and kali etc. Like wise their forms and appearences too representing region,culture and faith have been potryed in statues.For ex;Statue of Nataraja or Dancing Siva are not very common other than south india.where as kali,Durga forms too chnage from region to region. Though the topic is interesting for the sake of it,probably we may leave fiath to our own perspectives please. krishnan Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 wrote: Om Krishna Guru Namaste Arjun Ji and Balaji Ji, That was a brilliant message from you on this topic and as usual, learnt few new things from you. Also, Good message from Balaji Ji on Lord Narasimha Deva. Thank you folks, keep pouring the knowledge and people like me will try to absorb/get some. Regards Raghunatha Rao , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friends > > this healthy debate on modes of worship increases the knowledge of a layman, hence some more information. > > in my childhood i was told by the elders that goddess kali, gods hanuman and narasimha are fiery gods and hence we shall not worship them. but when i grew up and found millions of vaishnavites worshipping narasimha and there are hundreds of temples, i understood there is no logic even if the sastra say so. similarly i was also told in the childhood by some self-proclaimed learnt local pandits that hanuman is a fiery god and if one worships the devotee would remain a bachelor but when i grew up i found crores of devotees (including myself) have found lord hanuman as the most kind god and there is no wonder when i find even in these busy days LAKHS of devotees stand in line for several hours for a glimpse of the markat hanuman mandir in jamuna bazar, delhi which i visit every tuesday. when i was a child because of the red color tonuge i found goddess kali as a fiery goddess and did not worship her. but when i grew up and found crores of bengalis worshipping her on a daily basis and > most of them even keeping her statues in the house and seeking her blessings, i realised that she too is a kind goddess. similar is the story of bhairava. i was also shown sastras and stories from puranas by the learnt pandits as to why only a shivling shall be worshiped and not a shiva statue. to this logic, i got convinced as all shiva temples across the country have only shiv ling as diety and not a shiva statue. > > simply put, no side affects or no problem or worry in keeping the photos of any fiery god or goddess if it is just for worshipping and seeking their blessings. > > the problem arises when one resort to tantric practices wherein certain rituals are performed to invoke the grace of these same fiery gods and goddesses. having done enough research and experience in this tantra myself, i have seen many people becoming fakirs and losing material comforts and families and few gurus of mine have even lost their lives also. hence one shall desist from doing any tantric upasana as it is not safe unlike normal worshipping. for many mails received from the group members and visitors seeking more knowledge on tantra, i advised all of them not to get into this subject at all until they retire from life and have no attachments at all. > > calling shiva as a rudra devata is akin to calling vishnu as a ugra devata because of his incarnation as narasimha both of which holds no water. > > hence friends, worship gods and goddesses in any manifestation or form as you like without any worry at all. > > with best wishes > arjun > > "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > Dear Kadrudraji > > I am happy to see your reply on this topic which exactly coincides with my views and opinion. > > You are correct in many ways but still I have something to point out here. > > As you said all gods are life-savers and not destructive to anyone.But puranas and our gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many works on this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody has tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced not to like certain places and people in our day-to-day life. > > Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont like to stay in certain places in certain forms.I can explain this with an example..A sea fish is a fish but if its closed in a bottle with water..it cannot live long or happily. > > Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in home...These are words from our predecessors...from experience and faith..Vasthu Sastra also contributes to this. > > At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will of the person that determines the way....Where there is a Will There is a Way.......... > > Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of people for Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the best and leave everything to god. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear All, > > I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept started! > Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always helpful for > giving Psychological strength and concentration and confidence > in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' happened > due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a picture on wall, > it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of the object. > > In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is just a > 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the combination > of positive or negative factors of astro-psycho-karmic nature. > All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as 'capable' > of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of them say > anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act done in > connection with intention of worship. This concept of getting > 'something bad' is purely due to individual's pre-occupied belief. > > Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to drive off > evils including DEATH, which gets him the name MRITYUNJAYA. > Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like MARKANDEYA or > DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither for well > versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! HOW > CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS WORSHIP? > Don't you think it is purely illogical and superstitious!? > > YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA which > involves 'different' kind of worship for the material benefit > of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. > > There can be no good results by placing an image not in > 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct place > according to VAASTU on correct days according to JYOTISHA. > It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As I too > have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are very > 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters finally is > the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of Geeta, in > its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! > ("It results in what one feels like") > > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > > > > Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive > about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant > effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's > effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can > feel. > > > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and > uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does > this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I > covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some > negative effects. > > > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > - > > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses > > where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') > > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' > > households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti > came > > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a > > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a > significant > > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian > > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is > one > > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age > > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a > > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident > > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping > in > > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just > do > > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and > would > > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told > him > > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a > > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright > > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, > got > > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won > a > > few regional and national math competitions. > > > > Coincidence? I don't know! > > > > RR > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Wow that is a lot of information you packed in, Sir! Most of us have not seen a Divine form or Divine realm so we must base our view on the printed word, spoken word (gurus, parents, equivalents) and through these two channels of senses, vision and hearing, we ordinary and average people get most if not all of our direct experience with Divinity! Sure we touch the feet of idols, and sometimes human symbols of same (parents, teachers and ... I better stop there!) and we smell all those incenses and connect those with puja and Divinity and we taste the prasad or prasadam and connect that with Divinity and divine experience -- so all five senses are covered, but really vision and hearing primarily! And even those are not direct experiences but more subtle symbols that we come in contact with and translate based on our personal biases (culture, conditioning and so on). And this reflects in our diverse views and fears and utterances thereof! There is one sense that most of us ignore and too impatient to wait for and which might be the true sensory experience of Divinity. Direct experience. Until then, confusion must prevail, questions must arise and answered by a variety of responses, equally born out of absence of direct experience. It is not that direct experience has not happened, perhaps it cannot be conveyed directly through one or two senses that are available through this medium. So questions must continue and answers and confusion too, sadly ... RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Dear members, > idols and staues of Gods hwether ugra swarupa or Shnati rupa have a different kind of significance and they are mbodiment of Nature.God's like Shiva have moon and is also jatajuta dhari,with serpent around his neck,he portrays a role of controller of various forces.The whole concept and appearence boosts confidence and his usual significange through a pashana(stone) linga shows his ageless presence and his forbearence.All such photographs and idols do convey several apart from the significance of Gods.idols do sound creative ideas and appearence.Infact it is what we look and expect.In the palce of worship,a specific place where every one goes to peform some kind of poojas,the idol/statue has to be inspiring.For ex Godess Sarswati,prtrays a very pleasent,calm and serene apearence.Like wise lord ganesha has always been an inspiring idol/statue. > let's keep statue of god or godess with whom we are at peace atleast in prayers.there is no need to attach any special significance portray them as in our purnas in our day today pujas.we belive God for the reason we believe and worship him daily to better our efforts and seek success.we recite mantras and seek inspiration and drive. > Let's leave them for personal approaches.Sure but pray as you like every day.here also we have to consider cultural differences.Every one do not pray to lord narasimha nor to siva alone.we have our own region specific God's like Kumara Swamy,Durga,Rama and kali etc. > Like wise their forms and appearences too representing region,culture and faith have been potryed in statues.For ex;Statue of Nataraja or Dancing Siva are not very common other than south india.where as kali,Durga forms too chnage from region to region. > Though the topic is interesting for the sake of it,probably we may leave fiath to our own perspectives please. > krishnan > > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008> wrote: > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Arjun Ji and Balaji Ji, > > That was a brilliant message from you on this topic and as usual, > learnt few new things from you. > > Also, Good message from Balaji Ji on Lord Narasimha Deva. > > Thank you folks, keep pouring the knowledge and people like me > will try to absorb/get some. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > , arjun pandit > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > dear friends > > > > this healthy debate on modes of worship increases the knowledge of > a layman, hence some more information. > > > > in my childhood i was told by the elders that goddess kali, gods > hanuman and narasimha are fiery gods and hence we shall not worship > them. but when i grew up and found millions of vaishnavites > worshipping narasimha and there are hundreds of temples, i > understood there is no logic even if the sastra say so. similarly i > was also told in the childhood by some self-proclaimed learnt local > pandits that hanuman is a fiery god and if one worships the devotee > would remain a bachelor but when i grew up i found crores of > devotees (including myself) have found lord hanuman as the most kind > god and there is no wonder when i find even in these busy days LAKHS > of devotees stand in line for several hours for a glimpse of the > markat hanuman mandir in jamuna bazar, delhi which i visit every > tuesday. when i was a child because of the red color tonuge i found > goddess kali as a fiery goddess and did not worship her. but when i > grew up and found crores of bengalis worshipping her on a daily > basis and > > most of them even keeping her statues in the house and seeking > her blessings, i realised that she too is a kind goddess. similar > is the story of bhairava. i was also shown sastras and stories from > puranas by the learnt pandits as to why only a shivling shall be > worshiped and not a shiva statue. to this logic, i got convinced as > all shiva temples across the country have only shiv ling as diety > and not a shiva statue. > > > > simply put, no side affects or no problem or worry in keeping the > photos of any fiery god or goddess if it is just for worshipping and > seeking their blessings. > > > > the problem arises when one resort to tantric practices wherein > certain rituals are performed to invoke the grace of these same > fiery gods and goddesses. having done enough research and > experience in this tantra myself, i have seen many people becoming > fakirs and losing material comforts and families and few gurus of > mine have even lost their lives also. hence one shall desist from > doing any tantric upasana as it is not safe unlike normal > worshipping. for many mails received from the group members and > visitors seeking more knowledge on tantra, i advised all of them not > to get into this subject at all until they retire from life and have > no attachments at all. > > > > calling shiva as a rudra devata is akin to calling vishnu as a > ugra devata because of his incarnation as narasimha both of which > holds no water. > > > > hence friends, worship gods and goddesses in any manifestation or > form as you like without any worry at all. > > > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > > Dear Kadrudraji > > > > I am happy to see your reply on this topic which exactly coincides > with my views and opinion. > > > > You are correct in many ways but still I have something to point > out here. > > > > As you said all gods are life-savers and not destructive to > anyone.But puranas and our gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many > works on this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody has > tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced not to like certain > places and people in our day-to-day life. > > > > Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont like to stay in > certain places in certain forms.I can explain this with an > example..A sea fish is a fish but if its closed in a bottle with > water..it cannot live long or happily. > > > > Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in home...These are > words from our predecessors...from experience and faith..Vasthu > Sastra also contributes to this. > > > > At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will of the person > that determines the way....Where there is a Will There is a > Way.......... > > > > Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of people for > Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the best and leave everything to > god. > > > > With thanks and regards > > Balaji G > > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept started! > > Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always helpful for > > giving Psychological strength and concentration and confidence > > in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' happened > > due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a picture on wall, > > it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of the object. > > > > In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is just a > > 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the combination > > of positive or negative factors of astro-psycho-karmic nature. > > All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as 'capable' > > of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of them say > > anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act done in > > connection with intention of worship. This concept of getting > > 'something bad' is purely due to individual's pre-occupied belief. > > > > Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to drive off > > evils including DEATH, which gets him the name MRITYUNJAYA. > > Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like MARKANDEYA or > > DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither for well > > versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! HOW > > CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS WORSHIP? > > Don't you think it is purely illogical and superstitious!? > > > > YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA which > > involves 'different' kind of worship for the material benefit > > of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. > > > > There can be no good results by placing an image not in > > 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct place > > according to VAASTU on correct days according to JYOTISHA. > > It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As I too > > have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are very > > 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters finally is > > the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of Geeta, in > > its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! > > ("It results in what one feels like") > > > > > > yours humbly > > KAD > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> > > wrote: > > > Rohini Ji, > > > > > > Such things are very common and true with people who are > sensitive > > about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a > significant > > effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. > Ganesha's > > effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I > can > > feel. > > > > > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping > and > > uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but > does > > this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I > > covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got > some > > negative effects. > > > > > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > > > > > Regards > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > remedies > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > - > > > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > > > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > > > > > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > > > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > > > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most > houses > > > where this was the case (and no one there knew of > this 'stigma') > > > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > > > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of > these 'busy' > > > households but they were not great even before the Natraja > murti > > came > > > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so > not a > > > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a > > significant > > > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are > indian > > > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This > is > > one > > > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young > age > > > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took > a > > > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus > accident > > > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started > worshipping > > in > > > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would > just > > do > > > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom > and > > would > > > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one > told > > him > > > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also > got a > > > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a > bright > > > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, > > got > > > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and > won > > a > > > few regional and national math competitions. > > > > > > Coincidence? 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 dear friends there is a golden adage which i refer to before assimilating anything which has a pun on the word suka. yukti yuktam vako grahyam baladapi sukadapi yukti heenam vakastyajaym vriddhadapi sukadap whatever is logical or rational is acceptable even if told by a boy or a parrot whatever is illogical or irrational is unacceptable even if told by a old person or by sage suka so friends, please consult your own consciousness whether anything holds rational FOR YOU, before accepting it or not. with best wishes arjun Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 wrote: Om Krishna Guru Namaste Arjun Ji and Balaji Ji, That was a brilliant message from you on this topic and as usual, learnt few new things from you. Also, Good message from Balaji Ji on Lord Narasimha Deva. Thank you folks, keep pouring the knowledge and people like me will try to absorb/get some. Regards Raghunatha Rao , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friends > > this healthy debate on modes of worship increases the knowledge of a layman, hence some more information. > > in my childhood i was told by the elders that goddess kali, gods hanuman and narasimha are fiery gods and hence we shall not worship them. but when i grew up and found millions of vaishnavites worshipping narasimha and there are hundreds of temples, i understood there is no logic even if the sastra say so. similarly i was also told in the childhood by some self-proclaimed learnt local pandits that hanuman is a fiery god and if one worships the devotee would remain a bachelor but when i grew up i found crores of devotees (including myself) have found lord hanuman as the most kind god and there is no wonder when i find even in these busy days LAKHS of devotees stand in line for several hours for a glimpse of the markat hanuman mandir in jamuna bazar, delhi which i visit every tuesday. when i was a child because of the red color tonuge i found goddess kali as a fiery goddess and did not worship her. but when i grew up and found crores of bengalis worshipping her on a daily basis and > most of them even keeping her statues in the house and seeking her blessings, i realised that she too is a kind goddess. similar is the story of bhairava. i was also shown sastras and stories from puranas by the learnt pandits as to why only a shivling shall be worshiped and not a shiva statue. to this logic, i got convinced as all shiva temples across the country have only shiv ling as diety and not a shiva statue. > > simply put, no side affects or no problem or worry in keeping the photos of any fiery god or goddess if it is just for worshipping and seeking their blessings. > > the problem arises when one resort to tantric practices wherein certain rituals are performed to invoke the grace of these same fiery gods and goddesses. having done enough research and experience in this tantra myself, i have seen many people becoming fakirs and losing material comforts and families and few gurus of mine have even lost their lives also. hence one shall desist from doing any tantric upasana as it is not safe unlike normal worshipping. for many mails received from the group members and visitors seeking more knowledge on tantra, i advised all of them not to get into this subject at all until they retire from life and have no attachments at all. > > calling shiva as a rudra devata is akin to calling vishnu as a ugra devata because of his incarnation as narasimha both of which holds no water. > > hence friends, worship gods and goddesses in any manifestation or form as you like without any worry at all. > > with best wishes > arjun > > "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > Dear Kadrudraji > > I am happy to see your reply on this topic which exactly coincides with my views and opinion. > > You are correct in many ways but still I have something to point out here. > > As you said all gods are life-savers and not destructive to anyone.But puranas and our gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many works on this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody has tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced not to like certain places and people in our day-to-day life. > > Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont like to stay in certain places in certain forms.I can explain this with an example..A sea fish is a fish but if its closed in a bottle with water..it cannot live long or happily. > > Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in home...These are words from our predecessors...from experience and faith..Vasthu Sastra also contributes to this. > > At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will of the person that determines the way....Where there is a Will There is a Way.......... > > Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of people for Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the best and leave everything to god. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear All, > > I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept started! > Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always helpful for > giving Psychological strength and concentration and confidence > in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' happened > due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a picture on wall, > it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of the object. > > In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is just a > 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the combination > of positive or negative factors of astro-psycho-karmic nature. > All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as 'capable' > of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of them say > anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act done in > connection with intention of worship. This concept of getting > 'something bad' is purely due to individual's pre-occupied belief. > > Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to drive off > evils including DEATH, which gets him the name MRITYUNJAYA. > Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like MARKANDEYA or > DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither for well > versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! HOW > CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS WORSHIP? > Don't you think it is purely illogical and superstitious!? > > YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA which > involves 'different' kind of worship for the material benefit > of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. > > There can be no good results by placing an image not in > 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct place > according to VAASTU on correct days according to JYOTISHA. > It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As I too > have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are very > 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters finally is > the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of Geeta, in > its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! > ("It results in what one feels like") > > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > > > > Such things are very common and true with people who are sensitive > about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I note a significant > effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi statue. Ganesha's > effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle but still I can > feel. > > > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue while sleeping and > uncover it after waking up. . . you told that it was innate but does > this coincidentally get similar to a conventional practice? Once I > covered the statues for a while with a cloth and immediately got some > negative effects. > > > > I have not experimented with Nataraja though. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > - > > Rohini (Crystal Pages) > > > > Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32 AM > > Re: About Keeping Shiva Statue > > > > > > Yes it was discussed on some jyotish list years ago and they > > specifically talked about Natraja murti of Shiva. I have since > > carried out a little empirical sampling and seen that most houses > > where this was the case (and no one there knew of this 'stigma') > > there was considerable success in profession, studies, etc. > > Relationships were somewhat not perfect in some of these 'busy' > > households but they were not great even before the Natraja murti > came > > into the house. I have observed only about 10 households so not a > > huge sample. In nearly all of these families there was a > significant > > presence of music and leaning towards dancing etc (all are indian > > professionals, by the way) and in one case it is amazing! This is > one > > little boy (well now must be a teenager) who at a very young age > > visited India and was taken around on a tour of India and took a > > sudden liking for Shiva. He nearly got killed in a bus accident > > during that trip. Since he returned home, he started worshipping > in > > his little uninitiated way the Shiva murti he got. He would just > do > > something as simple as keep it near his head in his bedroom and > would > > cover and uncover Shiva each night and next morning. No one told > him > > to do it but it was just innate. Then at some point he also got a > > Nataraja murthi which he kept on this study desk. He was a bright > > individual but since then, he began getting noticed at school, > got > > tested for special education for gifted high iq children and won > a > > few regional and national math competitions. > > > > Coincidence? I don't know! > > > > RR > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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