Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 dear friend gurmeet ji good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, please note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and also disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to more NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. with best wishes arjun hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote: You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu is surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This is the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How to Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also mentioned same thing. When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time events and see transits I consider moon sign. I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That makes them killer and criminal. You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 to +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not and your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This is what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally I decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. Regards G. Singh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make is to give preference to moon than lagna. > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over- confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay by ketu. > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are with you. > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good for the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them and be at peace. > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all) > > > Dear Asutosh > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have this > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well some of > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the age of > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had to go > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also as > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord mercury's > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all seven > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like 28 at > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you did. > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a doctor in > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest in > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am 6'1" > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe just > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she can't > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely remember me > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good looking and > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave me > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these planets > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will activate > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages pdf > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to activate mars > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my lagna > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these planets are > in 2nd house from moon. > > We will continue from here next time .... > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned and > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in guiness > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or eight > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? How > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly successful > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in one > house. > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your lagnesh. > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you stubbornness > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take one > away from reality. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the > net > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go > back > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had > 7 > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, > chengez > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did > not > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is > with 6 > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you > high > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate > me so > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. > Rahu is > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th > house. > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I > came > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > experiences. > > The > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us > angry. > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the > nature > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is > very > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we > > have > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the > sub > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You > should > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you > have > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is > the > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle > > > of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that > > > we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Arjun ji, I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month of lungs cancer. Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord venus in 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord mercury. There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th lord sun. The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, very good for career. The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are aspected by 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in jupiter mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter mahadasha, but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars Bhukti. Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th house and 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed in the nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of diseases, Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna lord venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's nakshatra. Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also becomes wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is placed in the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He died in Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of august jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the yoga between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. Birth data July 29, 1938 12:00 PM Toronto, Canada G. Singh , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friend gurmeet ji > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, please note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and also disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to more NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > with best wishes > arjun > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu is > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This is > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How to > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also > mentioned same thing. > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time events > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That > makes them killer and criminal. > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 to > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not and > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This is > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally I > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > Regards > > G. Singh > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make is > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over- > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay by > ketu. > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are with > you. > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good for > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them and > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have this > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well > some of > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the age > of > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had to > go > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also > as > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord mercury's > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all > seven > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like > 28 at > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you > did. > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a doctor > in > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest in > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am > 6'1" > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe just > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she > can't > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely remember > me > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good looking > and > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave me > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these > planets > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of > 2nd > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will > activate > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages pdf > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to activate > mars > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my > lagna > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these planets > are > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned > and > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in > guiness > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or > eight > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? > How > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > successful > > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in > one > > house. > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your > lagnesh. > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > stubbornness > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take > one > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine > the > > net > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you > go > > back > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also > had > > 7 > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, > > chengez > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion > did > > not > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is > > with 6 > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give > you > > high > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars > is > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme > bad in > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they > hate > > me so > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was > delayed > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. > > Rahu is > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in > 11th > > house. > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I > > came > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The > person > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I > have 7 > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > experiences. > > > The > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due > to > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us > > angry. > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am > trying to > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the > > nature > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is > > very > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know > what we > > > have > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find > out. > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to > the > > sub > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You > > should > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, > you > > have > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that > is > > the > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > > many > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > > myself > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > > Mars > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > > by > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > > when > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > > days > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > > and > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > > Mars > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > > important > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > > and > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > > chart. I > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > > doshas.May > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle > > > > of > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that > > > > we > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > > need > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > > kama),one > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > > his > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > > and > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > > manner > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > > to > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > > be > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > > enable > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > > but > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > > beings > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > > and > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > > same > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > > makes > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > > which > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > > too. > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > > astrology > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > > In > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > > mentioning > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > > of > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > > addition > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > > never > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > > soul > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > > seek > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > > attended > > > > > in > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > > three > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > > desires, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > > that > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > > extent > > > > > I > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > > mileage > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > > Being > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > > 24- > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > > wise > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > > and > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > > good > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > see > > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > > else > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > > great! > > > > > If > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > > move > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > > describes > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to validate astrological principles. They come in so many different flavours. PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western astrologer) as stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' rating in Rodden's database. What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? RR <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, it should have been AM> , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Arjun ji, > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month of > lungs cancer. > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord venus in > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord mercury. > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th lord sun. > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, very > good for career. > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are aspected by > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in jupiter > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter mahadasha, > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars Bhukti. > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th house and > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed in the > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of diseases, > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna lord > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's nakshatra. > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also becomes > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is placed in > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He died in > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of august > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the yoga > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > Birth data > July 29, 1938 > 12:00 PM > Toronto, Canada > > > G. Singh , arjun pandit > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, please > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and also > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to more > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu > is > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This > is > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How > to > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also > > mentioned same thing. > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time > events > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 > to > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not > and > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This > is > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally > I > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make > is > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over- > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay > by > > ketu. > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are > with > > you. > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good > for > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them > and > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have > this > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well > > some of > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the > age > > of > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had > to > > go > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also > > as > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord > mercury's > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all > > seven > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like > > 28 at > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you > > did. > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a > doctor > > in > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest > in > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am > > 6'1" > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe > just > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she > > can't > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely > remember > > me > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good > looking > > and > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave > me > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these > > planets > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of > > 2nd > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will > > activate > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages > pdf > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to > activate > > mars > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my > > lagna > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these > planets > > are > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had > aligned > > and > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in > > guiness > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or > > eight > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider > Ali? > > How > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > > successful > > > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in > > one > > > house. > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your > > lagnesh. > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > > stubbornness > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take > > one > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to > determine > > the > > > net > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you > > go > > > back > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they > also > > had > > > 7 > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, > > > chengez > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion > > did > > > not > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun > is > > > with 6 > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give > > you > > > high > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because > mars > > is > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme > > bad in > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they > > hate > > > me so > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was > > delayed > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 > years. > > > Rahu is > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in > > 11th > > > house. > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. > I > > > came > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The > > person > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I > > have 7 > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > > experiences. > > > > The > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there > due > > to > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us > > > angry. > > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with > successful > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am > > trying to > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is > the > > > nature > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage > is > > > very > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know > > what we > > > > have > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find > > out. > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to > > the > > > sub > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. > You > > > should > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house > matters, > > you > > > have > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think > that > > is > > > the > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > > told > > > by > > > > > many > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > > wealth. I > > > > > myself > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > > 11th > > > > > house. > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > Dhanistha > > > in > > > > > Mars > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > > promised > > > > > by > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > > could > > > come > > > > > when > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > period > > > > or > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > > couple > > > of > > > > > days > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and > moon > > in > > > 11th > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > > Mercury > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > > 5th > > > house > > > > > and > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > > Jupiter, > > > and > > > > > Mars > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > > play > > > > > important > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > > nakshatra, > > > > > and > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet > for > > my > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > krishnan > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > > contain > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses > having > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > > considerd > > > > as > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > > teaches > > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings > aspire > > > than > > > > get > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > > vicous > > > > cycle > > > > > of > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > > will be > > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > moksha.Attainment > > of > > > > Moksha > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through > the > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts > is > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > something > > > lost > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three > houses > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > lagna,pancham > > and > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so > also > > > artha > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > > baiscs of > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare > to > > > shape > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > vairagya.Then > > > we > > > > > need > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to > gain > > is > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one > has > > > time to > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > > furthering > > > > > his > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > > cycles of > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > perspective > > > of > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > attachments > > > > > and > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper > in > > the > > > > > manner > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > decrimination > > > > > to > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These > houses > > too > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on > our > > > poorva > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some > thing > > of > > > the > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > > of > > > > various > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the > life > > and > > > > > enable > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > > is > > > moksha > > > > > but > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > > meant > > > for > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > > serving > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > > human > > > > > beings > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha > through > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > > promote > > > > what > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > > native > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > > ealisation > > > > > and > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > > to > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > > and > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > > being > > > bad > > > > > makes > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > earning, > > each > > > of > > > > > > which > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > > SELF > > > > where > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > spiritual > > > > position > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > > charity > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from > which > > > most > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not > looking > > for > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take > that > > > stance. > > > > > In > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > > merely > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > > half > > > and > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > > fertile > > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > remedies, > > > some > > > > > of > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well > cared > > for > > > and > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > > recent > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never > and > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The > poor > > > > wretched > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > > who > > > will > > > > > seek > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated > to > > the > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > > I've > > > > > attended > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > > Doshas > > > (or > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a > house > > of > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, > humans > > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > predispositions > > > through > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > (Crystal > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. > Some > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the > worldly > > > plane > > > > > that > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > > realm > > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > > astrology > > > is > > > > > about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care > about, > > > jobs, > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a > bit > > of > > > > dharma > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > > yogas > > > and > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > remedies > > > and > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily > to > > some > > > > > extent > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > efficiently > > > > for > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > > and > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some > have > > > really > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > spiritual > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the > Sages > > > etc.? > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > > explain > > > > the > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > > shlokas > > > (e.g., > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > 1995/1997 > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > > with > > > their > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > > distorted > > > > version > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > resemblance > > to > > > the > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how > much > > of > > > what > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > > but it > > > is > > > > > wise > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that > for > > > worldly > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > Approach) > > has > > > > very > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > > <sorry > > > here > > > > > I > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > > going > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > > lucky -- > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > > the > > > time > > > > > and > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > databases > > > of > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > instance) > > > from > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle - - > > and > > > see > > > > > how > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > > dashas, > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > > work > > > out > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > > or > > > > someone > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > > works > > > > > great! > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > > And > > > if > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > motivate > > > to > > > > > move > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > > and > > > you > > > > > may > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > > describes, > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > > it > > > > > describes > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > > initial > > > query > > > > > was > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > > Eleventh > > > > > House > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > > any > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > inauspicious > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Terms of > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- -- > -- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to validate > astrological principles. They come in so many different flavours. > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western astrologer) as > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' rating in > Rodden's database. > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > RR > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, it should > have been AM> > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > Arjun ji, > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month of > > lungs cancer. > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord venus in > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord mercury. > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th lord > sun. > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, very > > good for career. > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are aspected > by > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in jupiter > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter mahadasha, > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars > Bhukti. > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th house > and > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed in > the > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of diseases, > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna lord > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's nakshatra. > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also becomes > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is placed in > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He died in > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of august > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the yoga > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > > > > Birth data > > July 29, 1938 > > 12:00 PM > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, please > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and also > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to more > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good > nakshatra > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also > Ketu > > is > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This > > is > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How > > to > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned > clearly > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through > lottery. > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time > > events > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their > case > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. > You > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and > then > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from - 100 > > to > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not > > and > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. > This > > is > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. > Finally > > I > > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make > > is > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. > Over- > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, > sexually > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at > bay > > by > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are > > with > > > you. > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good > > for > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them > > and > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > group, > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have > > this > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well > > > some of > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the > > age > > > of > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I > had > > to > > > go > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death > also > > > as > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord > > mercury's > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects > all > > > seven > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look > like > > > 28 at > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you > > > did. > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a > > doctor > > > in > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest > > in > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I > am > > > 6'1" > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe > > just > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she > > > can't > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely > > remember > > > me > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good > > looking > > > and > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus > gave > > me > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and > physical > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these > > > planets > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler > of > > > 2nd > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will > > > activate > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages > > pdf > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to > > activate > > > mars > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my > > > lagna > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd > lord > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these > > planets > > > are > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had > > aligned > > > and > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in > > > guiness > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th > 1962, > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven > or > > > eight > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider > > Ali? > > > How > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > > > successful > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets > in > > > one > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your > > > lagnesh. > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > > > stubbornness > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu > take > > > one > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > > Rohini > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to > > determine > > > the > > > > net > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If > you > > > go > > > > back > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they > > also > > > had > > > > 7 > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second > house, > > > > chengez > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The > combustion > > > did > > > > not > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when > sun > > is > > > > with 6 > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They > give > > > you > > > > high > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because > > mars > > > is > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and > extreme > > > bad in > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or > they > > > hate > > > > me so > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was > > > delayed > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 > > years. > > > > Rahu is > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in > > > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be > different. > > I > > > > came > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. > The > > > person > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. > I > > > have 7 > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > > > experiences. > > > > > The > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there > > due > > > to > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes > us > > > > angry. > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with > > successful > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am > > > trying to > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is > > the > > > > nature > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the > massage > > is > > > > very > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know > > > what we > > > > > have > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to > find > > > out. > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go > to > > > the > > > > sub > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. > > You > > > > should > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house > > matters, > > > you > > > > have > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think > > that > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have > been > > > told > > > > by > > > > > > many > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > > > wealth. I > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in > the > > > 11th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > > Dhanistha > > > > in > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the > results > > > > promised > > > > > > by > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > > > could > > > > come > > > > > > when > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > period > > > > > or > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was > born > > > couple > > > > of > > > > > > days > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and > > moon > > > in > > > > 11th > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter > Ketu > > > > Mercury > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler > of > > > 5th > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > > > Jupiter, > > > > and > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS > will > > > play > > > > > > important > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet > > for > > > my > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > > krishnan > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > > > contain > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses > > having > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > > > considerd > > > > > as > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > > > teaches > > > > what > > > > > we > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings > > aspire > > > > than > > > > > get > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > > > vicous > > > > > cycle > > > > > > of > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > > > will be > > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > moksha.Attainment > > > of > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through > > the > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts > > is > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > > something > > > > lost > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three > > houses > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > > lagna,pancham > > > and > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so > > also > > > > artha > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and > welfare > > to > > > > shape > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > > vairagya.Then > > > > we > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to > > gain > > > is > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one > > has > > > > time to > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > > > furthering > > > > > > his > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the > vicious > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > > perspective > > > > of > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > > attachments > > > > > > and > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and > prosper > > in > > > the > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > > decrimination > > > > > > to > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These > > houses > > > too > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on > > our > > > > poorva > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some > > thing > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > significance > > > of > > > > > various > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance > of > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the > > life > > > and > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to > life > > > is > > > > moksha > > > > > > but > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is > just > > > meant > > > > for > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > > > serving > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make > all > > > human > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha > > through > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > > > promote > > > > > what > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support > the > > > native > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > > > ealisation > > > > > > and > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach > proposed > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > consciousness. > > > and > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > > > being > > > > bad > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > > earning, > > > each > > > > of > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the > BIG > > > SELF > > > > > where > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > > spiritual > > > > > position > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > > > charity > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from > > which > > > > most > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not > > looking > > > for > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take > > that > > > > stance. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > > > merely > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter > or > > > half > > > > and > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and > famous, > > > > fertile > > > > > > and > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > > remedies, > > > > some > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well > > cared > > > for > > > > and > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a > more > > > > recent > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never > > and > > > will > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The > > poor > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the > one > > > who > > > > will > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated > > to > > > the > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > > > I've > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > > > Doshas > > > > (or > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a > > house > > > of > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, > > the > > > > house > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, > > the > > > > house > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, > > humans > > > > have > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > > predispositions > > > > through > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the > doshas > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Rohini > > > (Crystal > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. > > Some > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the > > worldly > > > > plane > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the > worldly > > > realm > > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > > > astrology > > > > is > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care > > about, > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a > > bit > > > of > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on > ascetic > > > yogas > > > > and > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > > remedies > > > > and > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still > holds > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily > > to > > > some > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > > efficiently > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > predominantly > > > and > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some > > have > > > > really > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > > spiritual > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the > > Sages > > > > etc.? > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone > please > > > > explain > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > > > shlokas > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss > that > > > with > > > > their > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > > > distorted > > > > > version > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > > resemblance > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how > > much > > > of > > > > what > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > impossible > > > but it > > > > is > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that > > for > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > > Approach) > > > has > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > > > <sorry > > > > here > > > > > > I > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you > are > > > going > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you > are > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to > take > > > the > > > > time > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > > databases > > > > of > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > > instance) > > > > from > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle - > - > > > and > > > > see > > > > > > how > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > > > dashas, > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going > to > > > work > > > > out > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or > write > > > or > > > > > someone > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if > it > > > works > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, > anyway! > > > And > > > > if > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > > motivate > > > > to > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology > is, > > > and > > > > you > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life > it > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and > since > > > it > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > > > initial > > > > query > > > > > > was > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement > of > > > any > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > > inauspicious > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains > and > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with > each > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY > > > AND > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > Terms of > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > ---- > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I went to the site that you cited, even read through the "Peter's naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through the "want to meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very active at the moment ;-) I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is questionable or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon the pun! I am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort to comment on the source of the data or quality of it that they are putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but the most accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at classifying data and giving information from which users may derive some opinion. I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this case, Singh Saheb! Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting for astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are questionable at best! RR , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to validate > > astrological principles. They come in so many different flavours. > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western astrologer) > as > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' rating in > > Rodden's database. > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > RR > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, it should > > have been AM> > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month of > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord venus in > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord mercury. > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th lord > > sun. > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, very > > > good for career. > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are > aspected > > by > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in jupiter > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter > mahadasha, > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars > > Bhukti. > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th house > > and > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed in > > the > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of > diseases, > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna lord > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's > nakshatra. > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also becomes > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is placed > in > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He died > in > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of > august > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the yoga > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > July 29, 1938 > > > 12:00 PM > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, > please > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and > also > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to > more > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good > > nakshatra > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also > > Ketu > > > is > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. > This > > > is > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book > How > > > to > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned > > clearly > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through > > lottery. > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time > > > events > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their > > case > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. > Then > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. > That > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. > > You > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and > > then > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from - > 100 > > > to > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the > dark. > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are > not > > > and > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it > to > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. > > This > > > is > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. > > Finally > > > I > > > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers > make > > > is > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. > > Over- > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, > > sexually > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. > In > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at > > bay > > > by > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are > > > with > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are > good > > > for > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify > them > > > and > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > group, > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who > have > > > this > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very > well > > > > some of > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at > the > > > age > > > > of > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I > > had > > > to > > > > go > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death > > also > > > > as > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord > > > mercury's > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects > > all > > > > seven > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look > > like > > > > 28 at > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like > you > > > > did. > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a > > > doctor > > > > in > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have > interest > > > in > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. > I > > am > > > > 6'1" > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't > believe > > > just > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that > she > > > > can't > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely > > > remember > > > > me > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good > > > looking > > > > and > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus > > gave > > > me > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and > > physical > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these > > > > planets > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the > ruler > > of > > > > 2nd > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will > > > > activate > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal > pages > > > pdf > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to > > > activate > > > > mars > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that > my > > > > lagna > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd > > lord > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these > > > planets > > > > are > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had > > > aligned > > > > and > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even > in > > > > guiness > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th > > 1962, > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, > seven > > or > > > > eight > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or > Haider > > > Ali? > > > > How > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > > > > successful > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than three > planets > > in > > > > one > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > > > > stubbornness > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu > > take > > > > one > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > > > Rohini > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to > > > determine > > > > the > > > > > net > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If > > you > > > > go > > > > > back > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan > they > > > also > > > > had > > > > > 7 > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second > > house, > > > > > chengez > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The > > combustion > > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when > > sun > > > is > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They > > give > > > > you > > > > > high > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because > > > mars > > > > is > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and > > extreme > > > > bad in > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or > > they > > > > hate > > > > > me so > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga > was > > > > delayed > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 > > > years. > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets > in > > > > 11th > > > > > house. > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be > > different. > > > I > > > > > came > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. > > The > > > > person > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > frustration. > > I > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is > there > > > due > > > > to > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that > makes > > us > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due > to > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with > > > successful > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am > > > > trying to > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That > is > > > the > > > > > nature > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the > > massage > > > is > > > > > very > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t > know > > > > what we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to > > find > > > > out. > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go > > to > > > > the > > > > > sub > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then > D1. > > > You > > > > > should > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house > > > matters, > > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think > > > that > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have > > been > > > > told > > > > > by > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in > > the > > > > 11th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > in > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the > > results > > > > > promised > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden > wealth > > > > could > > > > > come > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > period > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was > > born > > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and > > > moon > > > > in > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter > > Ketu > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars > ruler > > of > > > > 5th > > > > > house > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king > in > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > and > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS > > will > > > > play > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted > mars > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka > planet > > > for > > > > my > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > > > > contain > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses > > > having > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to > be > > > > > considerd > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > > > > teaches > > > > > what > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings > > > aspire > > > > > than > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in > the > > > > vicous > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the > result > > > > will be > > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > of > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well > through > > > the > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one > awauts > > > is > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > > > something > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three > > > houses > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > > > lagna,pancham > > > > and > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and > so > > > also > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and > > welfare > > > to > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > we > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to > > > gain > > > > is > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here > one > > > has > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead > of > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the > > vicious > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > > > perspective > > > > > of > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and > > prosper > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These > > > houses > > > > too > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends > on > > > our > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some > > > thing > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as > guilty > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > > significance > > > > of > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance > > of > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate > the > > > life > > > > and > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to > > life > > > > is > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is > > just > > > > meant > > > > > for > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > > > > serving > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make > > all > > > > human > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha > > > through > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs > accordingly > > > > promote > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support > > the > > > > native > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for > self > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach > > proposed > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > > consciousness. > > > > and > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these > three > > > > being > > > > > bad > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > > > earning, > > > > each > > > > > of > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the > > BIG > > > > SELF > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > > > spiritual > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] > and > > > > charity > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from > > > which > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not > > > looking > > > > for > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to > take > > > that > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > > > > merely > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a > chapter > > or > > > > half > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and > > famous, > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > > > remedies, > > > > > some > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well > > > cared > > > > for > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a > > more > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have > never > > > and > > > > will > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! > The > > > poor > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the > > one > > > > who > > > > > will > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be > elevated > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a > seminar > > > > I've > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the > Trika > > > > Doshas > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a > > > house > > > > of > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th > house, > > > the > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th > house, > > > the > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, > > > humans > > > > > have > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > > > predispositions > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the > > doshas > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "Rohini > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > about 'growth'. > > > Some > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the > > > worldly > > > > > plane > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the > > worldly > > > > realm > > > > > and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all > the > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > > > > astrology > > > > > is > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care > > > about, > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is > a > > > bit > > > > of > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on > > ascetic > > > > yogas > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > > > remedies > > > > > and > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still > > holds > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite > healthily > > > to > > > > some > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > > predominantly > > > > and > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though > some > > > have > > > > > really > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the > > > Sages > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone > > please > > > > > explain > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > > > > shlokas > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss > > that > > > > with > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > > > > distorted > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > > > resemblance > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then > how > > > much > > > > of > > > > > what > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > > impossible > > > > but it > > > > > is > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated > that > > > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > > > Approach) > > > > has > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and > since > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive > beat > > > > <sorry > > > > > here > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you > > are > > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you > > are > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to > > take > > > > the > > > > > time > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > > > databases > > > > > of > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > > > instance) > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, > middle - > > - > > > > and > > > > > see > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going > > to > > > > work > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or > > write > > > > or > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and > if > > it > > > > works > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, > > anyway! > > > > And > > > > > if > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > > > motivate > > > > > to > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology > > is, > > > > and > > > > > you > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life > > it > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and > > since > > > > it > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > > > > initial > > > > > query > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship > of > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement > > of > > > > any > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains > > and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with > > each > > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > > > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > DIVINITY > > > > AND > > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > > relief > > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > > AND > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Rohini ji, I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found different birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just gave up. It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties sometimes. I had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some astrologers are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I am doing some research on Veda position of planets. What is your experience for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always try to test astrology rules before I use them because many things mentioned in astrology books do not work in real life. I would appreciate your thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates some mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not deliver good results at all. Regards G. Singh , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > I went to the site that you cited, even read through the "Peter's > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through the "want to > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very active at the > moment ;-) > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is questionable > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon the pun! I > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort to > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that they are > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but the most > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at classifying > data and giving information from which users may derive some opinion. > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this case, Singh > Saheb! > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting for > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are questionable at > best! > > RR > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to > validate > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different flavours. > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > astrologer) > > as > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' rating in > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > RR > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, it > should > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month > of > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord venus > in > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord > mercury. > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th > lord > > > sun. > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, > very > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are > > aspected > > > by > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in > jupiter > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter > > mahadasha, > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars > > > Bhukti. > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th > house > > > and > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed > in > > > the > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of > > diseases, > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna lord > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's > > nakshatra. > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also > becomes > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is placed > > in > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He > died > > in > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of > > august > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the > yoga > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, > > please > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and > > also > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to > > more > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good > > > nakshatra > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also > > > Ketu > > > > is > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. > > This > > > > is > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book > > How > > > > to > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned > > > clearly > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through > > > lottery. > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology > also > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to > time > > > > events > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their > > > case > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. > > Then > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. > > That > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > predictions. > > > You > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people > and > > > then > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from - > > 100 > > > > to > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the > > dark. > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are > > not > > > > and > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it > > to > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. > > > This > > > > is > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. > > > Finally > > > > I > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers > > make > > > > is > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for > it. > > > Over- > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, > > > sexually > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in > hand. > > In > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept > at > > > bay > > > > by > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes > are > > > > with > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are > > good > > > > for > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify > > them > > > > and > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > > group, > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > > Rohini > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who > > have > > > > this > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very > > well > > > > > some of > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has > this > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at > > the > > > > age > > > > > of > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case > I > > > had > > > > to > > > > > go > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my > death > > > also > > > > > as > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord > > > > mercury's > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it > aspects > > > all > > > > > seven > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people > look > > > like > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like > > you > > > > > did. > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see > a > > > > doctor > > > > > in > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have > > interest > > > > in > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder > also. > > I > > > am > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't > > believe > > > > just > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that > > she > > > > > can't > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely > > > > remember > > > > > me > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good > > > > looking > > > > > and > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus > > > gave > > > > me > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and > > > physical > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all > these > > > > > planets > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the > > ruler > > > of > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu > will > > > > > activate > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal > > pages > > > > pdf > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to > > > > activate > > > > > mars > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that > > my > > > > > lagna > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the > 2nd > > > lord > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these > > > > planets > > > > > are > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had > > > > aligned > > > > > and > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and > even > > in > > > > > guiness > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th > > > 1962, > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, > > seven > > > or > > > > > eight > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or > > Haider > > > > Ali? > > > > > How > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > > > > > successful > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than three > > planets > > > in > > > > > one > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including > your > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and > ketu > > > take > > > > > one > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House > (for > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to > > > > determine > > > > > the > > > > > > net > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. > If > > > you > > > > > go > > > > > > back > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan > > they > > > > also > > > > > had > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second > > > house, > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The > > > combustion > > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work > when > > > sun > > > > is > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. > They > > > give > > > > > you > > > > > > high > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive > because > > > > mars > > > > > is > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and > > > extreme > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or > > > they > > > > > hate > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga > > was > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last > 18 > > > > years. > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 > planets > > in > > > > > 11th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be > > > different. > > > > I > > > > > > came > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th > house. > > > The > > > > > person > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "dervish108" > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > frustration. > > > I > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is > > there > > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that > > makes > > > us > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. > Due > > to > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with > > > > successful > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I > am > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. > That > > is > > > > the > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the > > > massage > > > > is > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t > > know > > > > > what we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to > > > find > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, > go > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then > > D1. > > > > You > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house > > > > matters, > > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I > think > > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I > have > > > been > > > > > told > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me > sudden > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted > in > > > the > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house > in > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the > > > results > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden > > wealth > > > > > could > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > period > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was > > > born > > > > > couple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house > and > > > > moon > > > > > in > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has > Jupiter > > > Ketu > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars > > ruler > > > of > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became > king > > in > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a > higher > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS > > > will > > > > > play > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted > > mars > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka > > planet > > > > for > > > > > my > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and > other > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya > houses > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from > houses > > > > having > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is > to > > be > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life > and > > > > > teaches > > > > > > what > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > humanbeings > > > > aspire > > > > > > than > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in > > the > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the > > result > > > > > will be > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > of > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well > > through > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one > > awauts > > > > is > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel > as > > > > > something > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these > three > > > > houses > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and > > so > > > > also > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In > these > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and > > > welfare > > > > to > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach (seeking > to > > > > gain > > > > > is > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here > > one > > > > has > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended > instead > > of > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the > > > vicious > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > > > > perspective > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of > some > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and > > > prosper > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity > for > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > dharha.These > > > > houses > > > > > too > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all > depends > > on > > > > our > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as > some > > > > thing > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as > > guilty > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > > > significance > > > > > of > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey > importance > > > of > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate > > the > > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential > to > > > life > > > > > is > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and > is > > > just > > > > > meant > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we > are > > > > > serving > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to > make > > > all > > > > > human > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha > > > > through > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs > > accordingly > > > > > promote > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to > support > > > the > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for > > self > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach > > > proposed > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > > > consciousness. > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these > > three > > > > > being > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > > > > earning, > > > > > each > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and > the > > > BIG > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] > > and > > > > > charity > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one > from > > > > which > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not > > > > looking > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to > > take > > > > that > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new > are > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a > > chapter > > > or > > > > > half > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and > > > famous, > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and > the > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are > well > > > > cared > > > > > for > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are > a > > > more > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have > > never > > > > and > > > > > will > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! > > The > > > > poor > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is > the > > > one > > > > > who > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be > > elevated > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "John" > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a > > seminar > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the > > Trika > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, > a > > > > house > > > > > of > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th > > house, > > > > the > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th > > house, > > > > the > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya > houses, > > > > humans > > > > > > have > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > > > > predispositions > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the > > > doshas > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "Rohini > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > about 'growth'. > > > > Some > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the > > > > worldly > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the > > > worldly > > > > > realm > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away > from > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all > > the > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > > > > > astrology > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would > care > > > > about, > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there > is > > a > > > > bit > > > > > of > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on > > > ascetic > > > > > yogas > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned > into > > > > > remedies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still > > > holds > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite > > healthily > > > > to > > > > > some > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used > quite > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > > > predominantly > > > > > and > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though > > some > > > > have > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > devotional, > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, > the > > > > Sages > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone > > > please > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of > the > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss > > > that > > > > > with > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > > > > resemblance > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then > > how > > > > much > > > > > of > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > > > impossible > > > > > but it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated > > that > > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > > > > Approach) > > > > > has > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and > > since > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive > > beat > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, > you > > > are > > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if > you > > > are > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is > to > > > take > > > > > the > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now > that > > > > > databases > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank > for > > > > > instance) > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, > > middle - > > > - > > > > > and > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, > during > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not > going > > > to > > > > > work > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or > > > write > > > > > or > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and > > if > > > it > > > > > works > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, > > > anyway! > > > > > And > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it > will > > > > > motivate > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think > astrology > > > is, > > > > > and > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real > life > > > it > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and > > > since > > > > > it > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect > my > > > > > initial > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the > Lordship > > of > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the > placement > > > of > > > > > any > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material > gains > > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with > > > each > > > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > > > > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > DIVINITY > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > > web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an > email > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > > > relief > > > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > > AND > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Singh saheb, I have during my journey examined vedha, amongst other things. The problems with definitive testing of many of jyotish parameters is of mammoth proportions. There are different ayanamshas and different ways of calculating dashas and other variables, some introduced by ancients (ashtakavarga differences between Parashara and Varahamihira, for example) and what I jokingly call 'Later-day Saints' in Jyotish. Realistically, it becomes extremely difficult to test and definitively rule out as something or one factor being an In or Out, black and white matter. Different interpretations emerge based on different starting points. And the quest is made that much more difficult by the variable quality data that is available for births. I generally am very wary of using celebrity data. Yes, it is fun and attractive to use Amitabh Bachchan's data to prove or illustrate something, but is it Amitabh's horoscope one is looking at? It is a lot more satisfying to use ordinary people's data which can be verified and followed up. And, truth be told, most of us will probably be asked for a reading by regular folks more often than celebrities. Who is to know or tell for sure that rules for celebrities might not be different than for ordinary folks, given the different karmic levels etc. This is arguable and debatable, I admit. Some may believe in there being more socialism in the Astrology Gods' courts where everyone goes through the same karmic sieve. I don't know. In reality, when we actually see a hs and analyze and synthesize a chart and prepare a reading, I have always found it useful personally to look for weight of evidence. If several pointers point in a direction, I feel safer in going that way, readingwise. School of hard knocks has taught me and continues to almost on a daily basis, that 'one swallow does not make summer, nor does it quench for long one's thirst!" It is best to test in a few charts, of nativities well known to the jyotishi or from whom confirmation/feedback can be sought (hence jyotishi always needs friends!) and see if the thing pans out. Personally, I am a sceptic at heart. If someone just tells me this works or that does not, it does not convince me, indeed it turns me off. I have a feeling, you are a kindred soul, in that sense -- indeed many individuals in this forum are ... RR , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Rohini ji, > > I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found different > birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just gave up. > It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties sometimes. I > had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some astrologers > are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. > > May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I am doing > some research on Veda position of planets. What is your experience > for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always try to > test astrology rules before I use them because many things mentioned > in astrology books do not work in real life. I would appreciate your > thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates some > mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not deliver > good results at all. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > I went to the site that you cited, even read through the "Peter's > > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through the "want > to > > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very active at > the > > moment ;-) > > > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is > questionable > > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon the pun! > I > > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort to > > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that they are > > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but the most > > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at > classifying > > data and giving information from which users may derive some > opinion. > > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this case, > Singh > > Saheb! > > > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting for > > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are questionable > at > > best! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to > > validate > > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different > flavours. > > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > > astrologer) > > > as > > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' rating in > > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, it > > should > > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month > > of > > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord > venus > > in > > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord > > mercury. > > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th > > lord > > > > sun. > > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, > > very > > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are > > > aspected > > > > by > > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in > > jupiter > > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter > > > mahadasha, > > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars > > > > Bhukti. > > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th > > house > > > > and > > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed > > in > > > > the > > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of > > > diseases, > > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna > lord > > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's > > > nakshatra. > > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also > > becomes > > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is > placed > > > in > > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He > > died > > > in > > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of > > > august > > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the > > yoga > > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, > > > please > > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree > and > > > also > > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to > > > more > > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. > Also > > > > Ketu > > > > > is > > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of > 47. > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's > book > > > How > > > > > to > > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned > > > > clearly > > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through > > > > lottery. > > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology > > also > > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to > > time > > > > > events > > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in > their > > > > case > > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 > house. > > > Then > > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. > > > That > > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > predictions. > > > > You > > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people > > and > > > > then > > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one > from - > > > 100 > > > > > to > > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the > > > dark. > > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you > are > > > not > > > > > and > > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change > it > > > to > > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > astrologer. > > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. > > > > Finally > > > > > I > > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which > astrologers > > > make > > > > > is > > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for > > it. > > > > Over- > > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, > > > > sexually > > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in > > hand. > > > In > > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept > > at > > > > bay > > > > > by > > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes > > are > > > > > with > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates > are > > > good > > > > > for > > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify > > > them > > > > > and > > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > astrology > > > > group, > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > > > Rohini > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who > > > have > > > > > this > > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing > very > > > well > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has > > this > > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures > at > > > the > > > > > age > > > > > > of > > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my > case > > I > > > > had > > > > > to > > > > > > go > > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my > > death > > > > also > > > > > > as > > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord > > > > > mercury's > > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it > > aspects > > > > all > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people > > look > > > > like > > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health > like > > > you > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to > see > > a > > > > > doctor > > > > > > in > > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have > > > interest > > > > > in > > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder > > also. > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't > > > believe > > > > > just > > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl > that > > > she > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will > definitely > > > > > remember > > > > > > me > > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am > good > > > > > looking > > > > > > and > > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury > venus > > > > gave > > > > > me > > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and > > > > physical > > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all > > these > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is > saying > > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the > > > ruler > > > > of > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu > > will > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal > > > pages > > > > > pdf > > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to > > > > > activate > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky > that > > > my > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the > > 2nd > > > > lord > > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all > these > > > > > planets > > > > > > are > > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets > had > > > > > aligned > > > > > > and > > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and > > even > > > in > > > > > > guiness > > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb > 13th > > > > 1962, > > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, > > > seven > > > > or > > > > > > eight > > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or > > > Haider > > > > > Ali? > > > > > > How > > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more > highly > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than three > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including > > your > > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given > you > > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and > > ketu > > > > take > > > > > > one > > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House > > (for > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to > > > > > determine > > > > > > the > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make > mistakes. > > If > > > > you > > > > > > go > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan > > > they > > > > > also > > > > > > had > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second > > > > house, > > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The > > > > combustion > > > > > > did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work > > when > > > > sun > > > > > is > > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. > > They > > > > give > > > > > > you > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive > > because > > > > > mars > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and > > > > extreme > > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me > or > > > > they > > > > > > hate > > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj > yoga > > > was > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last > > 18 > > > > > years. > > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 > > planets > > > in > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be > > > > different. > > > > > I > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th > > house. > > > > The > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "dervish108" > > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > > frustration. > > > > I > > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going > similar > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is > > > there > > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that > > > makes > > > > us > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. > > Due > > > to > > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, > I > > am > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. > > That > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the > > > > massage > > > > > is > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I > don`t > > > know > > > > > > what we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard > to > > > > find > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of > that, > > go > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then > > > D1. > > > > > You > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house > > > > > matters, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I > > think > > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I > > have > > > > been > > > > > > told > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me > > sudden > > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars > exalted > > in > > > > the > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th > house > > in > > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the > > > > results > > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden > > > wealth > > > > > > could > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He > was > > > > born > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house > > and > > > > > moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has > > Jupiter > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars > > > ruler > > > > of > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became > > king > > > in > > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case > Mercury, > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a > > higher > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and > MARS > > > > will > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted > > > mars > > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka > > > planet > > > > > for > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and > > other > > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya > > houses > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from > > houses > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is > > to > > > be > > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life > > and > > > > > > teaches > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > > humanbeings > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove > in > > > the > > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the > > > result > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well > > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one > > > awauts > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel > > as > > > > > > something > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these > > three > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses > and > > > so > > > > > also > > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In > > these > > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and > > > > welfare > > > > > to > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach > (seeking > > to > > > > > gain > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e > moksha.here > > > one > > > > > has > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended > > instead > > > of > > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the > > > > vicious > > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in > that > > > > > > perspective > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of > > some > > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and > > > > prosper > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity > > for > > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > > dharha.These > > > > > houses > > > > > > too > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all > > depends > > > on > > > > > our > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as > > some > > > > > thing > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > > > > significance > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey > > importance > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and > moderate > > > the > > > > > life > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential > > to > > > > life > > > > > > is > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and > > is > > > > just > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we > > are > > > > > > serving > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to > > make > > > > all > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the > patha > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs > > > accordingly > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to > > support > > > > the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for > > > self > > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach > > > > proposed > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these > > > three > > > > > > being > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > > > > > earning, > > > > > > each > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and > > the > > > > BIG > > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa > [6] > > > and > > > > > > charity > > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one > > from > > > > > which > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are > not > > > > > looking > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to > > > take > > > > > that > > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new > > are > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a > > > chapter > > > > or > > > > > > half > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and > > > > famous, > > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and > > the > > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are > > well > > > > > cared > > > > > > for > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks > are > > a > > > > more > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have > > > never > > > > > and > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the > eye! > > > The > > > > > poor > > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is > > the > > > > one > > > > > > who > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be > > > elevated > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for > granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "John" > > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a > > > seminar > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the > > > Trika > > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd > house, > > a > > > > > house > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th > > > house, > > > > > the > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th > > > house, > > > > > the > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya > > houses, > > > > > humans > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > > > > > predispositions > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address > the > > > > doshas > > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "Rohini > > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > > about 'growth'. > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in > the > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the > > > > worldly > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away > > from > > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on > all > > > the > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of > scriptural > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would > > care > > > > > about, > > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there > > is > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on > > > > ascetic > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned > > into > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, > still > > > > holds > > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite > > > healthily > > > > > to > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used > > quite > > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > > > > predominantly > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though > > > some > > > > > have > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > > devotional, > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, > > the > > > > > Sages > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone > > > > please > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of > > the > > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not > discuss > > > > that > > > > > > with > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that > the > > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and > then > > > how > > > > > much > > > > > > of > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > > > > impossible > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated > > > that > > > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > > > > > Approach) > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and > > > since > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly > repetitive > > > beat > > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, > > you > > > > are > > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if > > you > > > > are > > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is > > to > > > > take > > > > > > the > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now > > that > > > > > > databases > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank > > for > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, > > > middle - > > > > - > > > > > > and > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, > > during > > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not > > going > > > > to > > > > > > work > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say > or > > > > write > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself > and > > > if > > > > it > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, > > > > anyway! > > > > > > And > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it > > will > > > > > > motivate > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think > > astrology > > > > is, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real > > life > > > > it > > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life > and > > > > since > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I > suspect > > my > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the > > Lordship > > > of > > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the > > placement > > > > of > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material > > gains > > > > and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict > with > > > > each > > > > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > > > > > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > ULTIMATE > > > > > DIVINITY > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > the > > > web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an > > email > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane > Katrina > > > > relief > > > > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY > > > > AND > > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Rohini ji, I try to study the charts of billionaires, celebraties and at the same time criminals, beggers, people who have suffered all their life. I find it very interesting. Maybe I will meet a person who may be ordinary today but may be billionaire 5 years from today. I want to learn very fast and then start my astrology practice in Beverly Hills ca. There I will be studying the celebraties astrology charts not ordinary people. You know my 2nd house lord is with 6 other planets so I will have income from many different sources, and astrology will be one of them. Regards G. Singh , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Singh saheb, > > I have during my journey examined vedha, amongst other things. The > problems with definitive testing of many of jyotish parameters is of > mammoth proportions. There are different ayanamshas and different > ways of calculating dashas and other variables, some introduced by > ancients (ashtakavarga differences between Parashara and > Varahamihira, for example) and what I jokingly call 'Later-day > Saints' in Jyotish. Realistically, it becomes extremely difficult to > test and definitively rule out as something or one factor being an In > or Out, black and white matter. Different interpretations emerge > based on different starting points. And the quest is made that much > more difficult by the variable quality data that is available for > births. > > I generally am very wary of using celebrity data. Yes, it is fun and > attractive to use Amitabh Bachchan's data to prove or illustrate > something, but is it Amitabh's horoscope one is looking at? It is a > lot more satisfying to use ordinary people's data which can be > verified and followed up. And, truth be told, most of us will > probably be asked for a reading by regular folks more often than > celebrities. Who is to know or tell for sure that rules for > celebrities might not be different than for ordinary folks, given the > different karmic levels etc. This is arguable and debatable, I admit. > Some may believe in there being more socialism in the Astrology Gods' > courts where everyone goes through the same karmic sieve. I don't > know. > > In reality, when we actually see a hs and analyze and synthesize a > chart and prepare a reading, I have always found it useful personally > to look for weight of evidence. If several pointers point in a > direction, I feel safer in going that way, readingwise. School of > hard knocks has taught me and continues to almost on a daily basis, > that 'one swallow does not make summer, nor does it quench for long > one's thirst!" > > It is best to test in a few charts, of nativities well known to the > jyotishi or from whom confirmation/feedback can be sought (hence > jyotishi always needs friends!) and see if the thing pans out. > > Personally, I am a sceptic at heart. If someone just tells me this > works or that does not, it does not convince me, indeed it turns me > off. I have a feeling, you are a kindred soul, in that sense -- > indeed many individuals in this forum are ... > > RR > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > Rohini ji, > > > > I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found > different > > birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just gave up. > > It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties sometimes. I > > had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some astrologers > > are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. > > > > May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I am > doing > > some research on Veda position of planets. What is your experience > > for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always try > to > > test astrology rules before I use them because many things > mentioned > > in astrology books do not work in real life. I would appreciate > your > > thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates some > > mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not deliver > > good results at all. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > I went to the site that you cited, even read through the "Peter's > > > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through the "want > > to > > > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very active at > > the > > > moment ;-) > > > > > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is > > questionable > > > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon the > pun! > > I > > > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort to > > > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that they are > > > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but the most > > > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at > > classifying > > > data and giving information from which users may derive some > > opinion. > > > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this case, > > Singh > > > Saheb! > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting for > > > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are questionable > > at > > > best! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to > > > validate > > > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different > > flavours. > > > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > > > astrologer) > > > > as > > > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' rating > in > > > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, it > > > should > > > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last > month > > > of > > > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord > > venus > > > in > > > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord > > > mercury. > > > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th > > > lord > > > > > sun. > > > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's > nakshatra, > > > very > > > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are > > > > aspected > > > > > by > > > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in > > > jupiter > > > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter > > > > mahadasha, > > > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha > Mars > > > > > Bhukti. > > > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th > > > house > > > > > and > > > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and > placed > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of > > > > diseases, > > > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna > > lord > > > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also > > > becomes > > > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He > > > died > > > > in > > > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of > > > > august > > > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated > the > > > yoga > > > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. > however, > > > > please > > > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree > > and > > > > also > > > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward > to > > > > more > > > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. > > Also > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > is > > > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of > > 47. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's > > book > > > > How > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He > mentioned > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be > through > > > > > lottery. > > > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology > > > also > > > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to > > > time > > > > > > events > > > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in > > their > > > > > case > > > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 > > house. > > > > Then > > > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's > nakshatras. > > > > That > > > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > > predictions. > > > > > You > > > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare > people > > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one > > from - > > > > 100 > > > > > > to > > > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started > using > > > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in > the > > > > dark. > > > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you > > are > > > > not > > > > > > and > > > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately > change > > it > > > > to > > > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > > astrologer. > > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary > people. > > > > > Finally > > > > > > I > > > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which > > astrologers > > > > make > > > > > > is > > > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > > > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready > for > > > it. > > > > > Over- > > > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, > > > > > sexually > > > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in > > > hand. > > > > In > > > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being > kept > > > at > > > > > bay > > > > > > by > > > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best > wishes > > > are > > > > > > with > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates > > are > > > > good > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. > Identify > > > > them > > > > > > and > > > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > > astrology > > > > > group, > > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House > (for > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People > who > > > > have > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing > > very > > > > well > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has > > > this > > > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures > > at > > > > the > > > > > > age > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my > > case > > > I > > > > > had > > > > > > to > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my > > > death > > > > > also > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th > lord > > > > > > mercury's > > > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it > > > aspects > > > > > all > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people > > > look > > > > > like > > > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health > > like > > > > you > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to > > see > > > a > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have > > > > interest > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder > > > also. > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't > > > > believe > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl > > that > > > > she > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will > > definitely > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am > > good > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury > > venus > > > > > gave > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness > and > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all > > > these > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is > > saying > > > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra > the > > > > ruler > > > > > of > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu > > > will > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's > crystal > > > > pages > > > > > > pdf > > > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order > to > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky > > that > > > > my > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of > the > > > 2nd > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all > > these > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets > > had > > > > > > aligned > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and > > > even > > > > in > > > > > > > guiness > > > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb > > 13th > > > > > 1962, > > > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had > six, > > > > seven > > > > > or > > > > > > > eight > > > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or > > > > Haider > > > > > > Ali? > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more > > highly > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than three > > > > planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including > > > your > > > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given > > you > > > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and > > > ketu > > > > > take > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh > House > > > (for > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult > to > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make > > mistakes. > > > If > > > > > you > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz > Khan > > > > they > > > > > > also > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in > second > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The > > > > > combustion > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work > > > when > > > > > sun > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. > > > They > > > > > give > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive > > > because > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good > and > > > > > extreme > > > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love > me > > or > > > > > they > > > > > > > hate > > > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj > > yoga > > > > was > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for > last > > > 18 > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be > > > > > different. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th > > > house. > > > > > The > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "dervish108" > > > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > > > frustration. > > > > > I > > > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going > > similar > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) > is > > > > there > > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, > that > > > > makes > > > > > us > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great > relieve. > > > Due > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers > with > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any > more, > > I > > > am > > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. > > > That > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, > the > > > > > massage > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I > > don`t > > > > know > > > > > > > what we > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working > hard > > to > > > > > find > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of > > that, > > > go > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there > then > > > > D1. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th > house > > > > > > matters, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I > > > think > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s > > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me > > > sudden > > > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars > > exalted > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th > > house > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give > the > > > > > results > > > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the > sudden > > > > wealth > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He > > was > > > > > born > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second > house > > > and > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has > > > Jupiter > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. > Mars > > > > ruler > > > > > of > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became > > > king > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case > > Mercury, > > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a > > > higher > > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and > > MARS > > > > > will > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in > exalted > > > > mars > > > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a > yogkaraka > > > > planet > > > > > > for > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and > > > other > > > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > vattem > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya > > > houses > > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from > > > houses > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava > is > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the > life > > > and > > > > > > > teaches > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > > > humanbeings > > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and > invlove > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama > the > > > > result > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result > one > > > > awauts > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to > feel > > > as > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these > > > three > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > > > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses > > and > > > > so > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In > > > these > > > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion > and > > > > > welfare > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach > > (seeking > > > to > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e > > moksha.here > > > > one > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into > the > > > > > vicious > > > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in > > that > > > > > > > perspective > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think > of > > > some > > > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' > and > > > > > prosper > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The > opportunity > > > for > > > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > > > dharha.These > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all > > > depends > > > > on > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming > as > > > some > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > > > > > significance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey > > > importance > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and > > moderate > > > > the > > > > > > life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most > essential > > > to > > > > > life > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma > and > > > is > > > > > just > > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all > evils.we > > > are > > > > > > > serving > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to > > > make > > > > > all > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the > > patha > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs > > > > accordingly > > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to > > > support > > > > > the > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity > for > > > > self > > > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another > approach > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of > these > > > > three > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, > competition, > > > > > > earning, > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit > and > > > the > > > > > BIG > > > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and > the > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa > > [6] > > > > and > > > > > > > charity > > > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- > one > > > from > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are > > not > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even > to > > > > take > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and > new > > > are > > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a > > > > chapter > > > > > or > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich > and > > > > > famous, > > > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder > and > > > the > > > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes > are > > > well > > > > > > cared > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks > > are > > > a > > > > > more > > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path > have > > > > never > > > > > > and > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the > > eye! > > > > The > > > > > > poor > > > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis) karma > is > > > the > > > > > one > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be > > > > elevated > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for > > granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "John" > > > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a > > > > seminar > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain > the > > > > Trika > > > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd > > house, > > > a > > > > > > house > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th > > > > house, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th > > > > house, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya > > > houses, > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > > > > > > predispositions > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address > > the > > > > > doshas > > > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "Rohini > > > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > > > about 'growth'. > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in > > the > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in > the > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one > away > > > from > > > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of > > scriptural > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would > > > care > > > > > > about, > > > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and > there > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas > on > > > > > ascetic > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been > spawned > > > into > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, > > still > > > > > holds > > > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite > > > > healthily > > > > > > to > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used > > > quite > > > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > > > > > predominantly > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. > Though > > > > some > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > > > devotional, > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of > God, > > > the > > > > > > Sages > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: > Someone > > > > > please > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some > of > > > the > > > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, > vol.2, > > > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not > > discuss > > > > > that > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that > > the > > > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and > > then > > > > how > > > > > > much > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently > indicated > > > > that > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri > (Systems > > > > > > Approach) > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago > and > > > > since > > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly > > repetitive > > > > beat > > > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you > ask, > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some > if > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing > is > > > to > > > > > take > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer > now > > > that > > > > > > > databases > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like > astrodatabank > > > for > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, > > > > middle - > > > > > - > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, > > > during > > > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I > say > > or > > > > > write > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself > > and > > > > if > > > > > it > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing > better, > > > > > anyway! > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe > it > > > will > > > > > > > motivate > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think > > > astrology > > > > > is, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the > real > > > life > > > > > it > > > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life > > and > > > > > since > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I > > suspect > > > my > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the > > > Lordship > > > > of > > > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the > > > placement > > > > > of > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good > placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship > considered > > > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material > > > gains > > > > > and > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict > > with > > > > > each > > > > > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the > 11th > > > > > > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > DIVINITY > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > > the > > > > web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an > > > email > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane > > Katrina > > > > > relief > > > > > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > DIVINITY > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear G Singh, I have been watching this thread with mild amusement so- far and I could not resist to throw in my 2 cents. I did study your chart and the only thing that was not discussed so- far was your Charakarak replacement. Your Jupiter and Rahu have identical degrees, and so have Moon and Mercury, replacement going on. I am in agreement with the other astrologers that you are going to undergo deep frustration in materialistic pursuits (only because of heightened expectations) and then after enormous turmoil, turn spiritualistic, by the turn of this decade. Good luck in getting what ever you need (and not what you desire) Sam , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Rohini ji, > > I try to study the charts of billionaires, celebraties and at the > same time criminals, beggers, people who have suffered all their > life. I find it very interesting. Maybe I will meet a person who may > be ordinary today but may be billionaire 5 years from today. > > I want to learn very fast and then start my astrology practice in > Beverly Hills ca. There I will be studying the celebraties astrology > charts not ordinary people. You know my 2nd house lord is with 6 > other planets so I will have income from many different sources, and > astrology will be one of them. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Singh saheb, > > > > I have during my journey examined vedha, amongst other things. The > > problems with definitive testing of many of jyotish parameters is > of > > mammoth proportions. There are different ayanamshas and different > > ways of calculating dashas and other variables, some introduced by > > ancients (ashtakavarga differences between Parashara and > > Varahamihira, for example) and what I jokingly call 'Later-day > > Saints' in Jyotish. Realistically, it becomes extremely difficult > to > > test and definitively rule out as something or one factor being an > In > > or Out, black and white matter. Different interpretations emerge > > based on different starting points. And the quest is made that much > > more difficult by the variable quality data that is available for > > births. > > > > I generally am very wary of using celebrity data. Yes, it is fun > and > > attractive to use Amitabh Bachchan's data to prove or illustrate > > something, but is it Amitabh's horoscope one is looking at? It is a > > lot more satisfying to use ordinary people's data which can be > > verified and followed up. And, truth be told, most of us will > > probably be asked for a reading by regular folks more often than > > celebrities. Who is to know or tell for sure that rules for > > celebrities might not be different than for ordinary folks, given > the > > different karmic levels etc. This is arguable and debatable, I > admit. > > Some may believe in there being more socialism in the Astrology > Gods' > > courts where everyone goes through the same karmic sieve. I don't > > know. > > > > In reality, when we actually see a hs and analyze and synthesize a > > chart and prepare a reading, I have always found it useful > personally > > to look for weight of evidence. If several pointers point in a > > direction, I feel safer in going that way, readingwise. School of > > hard knocks has taught me and continues to almost on a daily basis, > > that 'one swallow does not make summer, nor does it quench for long > > one's thirst!" > > > > It is best to test in a few charts, of nativities well known to the > > jyotishi or from whom confirmation/feedback can be sought (hence > > jyotishi always needs friends!) and see if the thing pans out. > > > > Personally, I am a sceptic at heart. If someone just tells me this > > works or that does not, it does not convince me, indeed it turns me > > off. I have a feeling, you are a kindred soul, in that sense -- > > indeed many individuals in this forum are ... > > > > RR > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found > > different > > > birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just gave > up. > > > It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties sometimes. > I > > > had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some > astrologers > > > are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. > > > > > > May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I am > > doing > > > some research on Veda position of planets. What is your > experience > > > for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always try > > to > > > test astrology rules before I use them because many things > > mentioned > > > in astrology books do not work in real life. I would appreciate > > your > > > thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates > some > > > mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not > deliver > > > good results at all. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > I went to the site that you cited, even read through > the "Peter's > > > > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through > the "want > > > to > > > > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very active > at > > > the > > > > moment ;-) > > > > > > > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is > > > questionable > > > > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon the > > pun! > > > I > > > > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort to > > > > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that they > are > > > > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but the > most > > > > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at > > > classifying > > > > data and giving information from which users may derive some > > > opinion. > > > > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this case, > > > Singh > > > > Saheb! > > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting for > > > > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are > questionable > > > at > > > > best! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to > > > > validate > > > > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different > > > flavours. > > > > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > > > > astrologer) > > > > > as > > > > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' > rating > > in > > > > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, > it > > > > should > > > > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last > > month > > > > of > > > > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord > > > venus > > > > in > > > > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord > > > > mercury. > > > > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and > 11th > > > > lord > > > > > > sun. > > > > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's > > nakshatra, > > > > very > > > > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are > > > > > aspected > > > > > > by > > > > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter > > > > > mahadasha, > > > > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha > > Mars > > > > > > Bhukti. > > > > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules > 7th > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of > > > > > diseases, > > > > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect > lagna > > > lord > > > > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also > > > > becomes > > > > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So > He > > > > died > > > > > in > > > > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month > of > > > > > august > > > > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated > > the > > > > yoga > > > > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. > > however, > > > > > please > > > > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to > disagree > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking > forward > > to > > > > > more > > > > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in > good > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th > house. > > > Also > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age > of > > > 47. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV > Raman's > > > book > > > > > How > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He > > mentioned > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be > > through > > > > > > lottery. > > > > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in > astrology > > > > also > > > > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want > to > > > > time > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in > > > their > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 > > > house. > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's > > nakshatras. > > > > > That > > > > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > > > predictions. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare > > people > > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one > > > from - > > > > > 100 > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started > > using > > > > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in > > the > > > > > dark. > > > > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If > you > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately > > change > > > it > > > > > to > > > > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > > > astrologer. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary > > people. > > > > > > Finally > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which > > > astrologers > > > > > make > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling > of > > > > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready > > for > > > > it. > > > > > > Over- > > > > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder > attempts, > > > > > > sexually > > > > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand > in > > > > hand. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being > > kept > > > > at > > > > > > bay > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best > > wishes > > > > are > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such > debates > > > are > > > > > good > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. > > Identify > > > > > them > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > > > astrology > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House > > (for > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People > > who > > > > > have > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing > > > very > > > > > well > > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he > has > > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn > matures > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my > > > case > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted > my > > > > death > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th > > lord > > > > > > > mercury's > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it > > > > aspects > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many > people > > > > look > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad > health > > > like > > > > > you > > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have > to > > > see > > > > a > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I > have > > > > > interest > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body > builder > > > > also. > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You > won't > > > > > believe > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl > > > that > > > > > she > > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will > > > definitely > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I > am > > > good > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury > > > venus > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness > > and > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with > all > > > > these > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is > > > saying > > > > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants > spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra > > the > > > > > ruler > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and > Ketu > > > > will > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's > > crystal > > > > > pages > > > > > > > pdf > > > > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In > order > > to > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am > lucky > > > that > > > > > my > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of > > the > > > > 2nd > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all > > > these > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine > planets > > > had > > > > > > > aligned > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books > and > > > > even > > > > > in > > > > > > > > guiness > > > > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to > feb > > > 13th > > > > > > 1962, > > > > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had > > six, > > > > > seven > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > eight > > > > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan > or > > > > > Haider > > > > > > > Ali? > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more > > > highly > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than > three > > > > > planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, > including > > > > your > > > > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has > given > > > you > > > > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu > and > > > > ketu > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh > > House > > > > (for > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is > difficult > > to > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make > > > mistakes. > > > > If > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz > > Khan > > > > > they > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in > > second > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The > > > > > > combustion > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not > work > > > > when > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th > house. > > > > They > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive > > > > because > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good > > and > > > > > > extreme > > > > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love > > me > > > or > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > hate > > > > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my > raj > > > yoga > > > > > was > > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for > > last > > > > 18 > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 > > > > planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will > be > > > > > > different. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th > > > > house. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many > > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "dervish108" > > > > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > > > > frustration. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going > > > similar > > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many > things) > > is > > > > > there > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, > > that > > > > > makes > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great > > relieve. > > > > Due > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers > > with > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any > > more, > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my > chart. > > > > That > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, > > the > > > > > > massage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I > > > don`t > > > > > know > > > > > > > > what we > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working > > hard > > > to > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of > > > that, > > > > go > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there > > then > > > > > D1. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th > > house > > > > > > > matters, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. > I > > > > think > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from > one`s > > > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. > I > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me > > > > sudden > > > > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars > > > exalted > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th > > > house > > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give > > the > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the > > sudden > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. > He > > > was > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second > > house > > > > and > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. > > Mars > > > > > ruler > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He > became > > > > king > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case > > > Mercury, > > > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a > > > > higher > > > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY > and > > > MARS > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in > > exalted > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a > > yogkaraka > > > > > planet > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > vattem > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya > > > > houses > > > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from > > > > houses > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama > bhava > > is > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the > > life > > > > and > > > > > > > > teaches > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > > > > humanbeings > > > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and > > invlove > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama > > the > > > > > result > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape > well > > > > > through > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result > > one > > > > > awauts > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to > > feel > > > > as > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe > these > > > > three > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > > > > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development > houses > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human > being.In > > > > these > > > > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion > > and > > > > > > welfare > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana > and > > > > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach > > > (seeking > > > > to > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e > > > moksha.here > > > > > one > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended > > > > instead > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into > > the > > > > > > vicious > > > > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as > in > > > that > > > > > > > > perspective > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think > > of > > > > some > > > > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' > > and > > > > > > prosper > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The > > opportunity > > > > for > > > > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > > > > dharha.These > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all > > > > depends > > > > > on > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming > > as > > > > some > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human > as > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey > > > > importance > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and > > > moderate > > > > > the > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most > > essential > > > > to > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma > > and > > > > is > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all > > evils.we > > > > are > > > > > > > > serving > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically > to > > > > make > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the > > > patha > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs > > > > > accordingly > > > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to > > > > support > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity > > for > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another > > approach > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of > > these > > > > > three > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, > > competition, > > > > > > > earning, > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit > > and > > > > the > > > > > > BIG > > > > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and > > the > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], > ahimsaa > > > [6] > > > > > and > > > > > > > > charity > > > > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective - - > > one > > > > from > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they > are > > > not > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or > even > > to > > > > > take > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and > > new > > > > are > > > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in > a > > > > > chapter > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich > > and > > > > > > famous, > > > > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes > > are > > > > well > > > > > > > cared > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and > tantriks > > > are > > > > a > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path > > have > > > > > never > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the > > > eye! > > > > > The > > > > > > > poor > > > > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis) > karma > > is > > > > the > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to > be > > > > > elevated > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for > > > granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "John" > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in > a > > > > > seminar > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain > > the > > > > > Trika > > > > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd > > > house, > > > > a > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the > 6th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the > 11th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya > > > > houses, > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > > > > > > > predispositions > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to > address > > > the > > > > > > doshas > > > > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "Rohini > > > > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > > > > about 'growth'. > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth > in > > > the > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in > > the > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one > > away > > > > from > > > > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed > on > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of > > > scriptural > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder > would > > > > care > > > > > > > about, > > > > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and > > there > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few > stanzas > > on > > > > > > ascetic > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been > > spawned > > > > into > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar > religious/spiritual > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, > > > still > > > > > > holds > > > > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite > > > > > healthily > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually > used > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > > > > > > predominantly > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. > > Though > > > > > some > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > > > > devotional, > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of > > God, > > > > the > > > > > > > Sages > > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: > > Someone > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, > > vol.2, > > > > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not > > > discuss > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible > that > > > the > > > > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not > bear > > > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and > > > then > > > > > how > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently > > indicated > > > > > that > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri > > (Systems > > > > > > > Approach) > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago > > and > > > > > since > > > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly > > > repetitive > > > > > beat > > > > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you > > ask, > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, > some > > if > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best > thing > > is > > > > to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer > > now > > > > that > > > > > > > > databases > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like > > astrodatabank > > > > for > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, > poor, > > > > > middle - > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, > > > > during > > > > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are > not > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I > > say > > > or > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment > yourself > > > and > > > > > if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing > > better, > > > > > > anyway! > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe > > it > > > > will > > > > > > > > motivate > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think > > > > astrology > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the > > real > > > > life > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like > life > > > and > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I > > > suspect > > > > my > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the > > > > Lordship > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the > > > > placement > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good > > placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship > > considered > > > > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that > material > > > > gains > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in > conflict > > > with > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the > > 11th > > > > > > > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > > DIVINITY > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" > on > > > the > > > > > web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send > an > > > > email > > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject > to > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > > > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane > > > Katrina > > > > > > relief > > > > > > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > > > DIVINITY > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- --- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Did I ask you for a advice? Why you are so desparate to give me a bad news. It doesn't do anything to me. You have no idea who I am, and you never will. If it makes you happy then fine with me. Keep writing, if it makes you happy. , "vedic_charts" <vedic_charts> wrote: > Dear G Singh, > I have been watching this thread with mild amusement so- > far and I could not resist to throw in my 2 cents. > I did study your chart and the only thing that was not discussed so- > far was your Charakarak replacement. > > Your Jupiter and Rahu have identical degrees, and so have Moon and > Mercury, replacement going on. > > I am in agreement with the other astrologers that you are going to > undergo deep frustration in materialistic pursuits (only because of > heightened expectations) and then after enormous turmoil, turn > spiritualistic, by the turn of this decade. > > Good luck in getting what ever you need (and not what you desire) > > Sam > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > Rohini ji, > > > > I try to study the charts of billionaires, celebraties and at > the > > same time criminals, beggers, people who have suffered all their > > life. I find it very interesting. Maybe I will meet a person who > may > > be ordinary today but may be billionaire 5 years from today. > > > > I want to learn very fast and then start my astrology practice > in > > Beverly Hills ca. There I will be studying the celebraties > astrology > > charts not ordinary people. You know my 2nd house lord is with 6 > > other planets so I will have income from many different sources, > and > > astrology will be one of them. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Singh saheb, > > > > > > I have during my journey examined vedha, amongst other things. > The > > > problems with definitive testing of many of jyotish parameters > is > > of > > > mammoth proportions. There are different ayanamshas and > different > > > ways of calculating dashas and other variables, some introduced > by > > > ancients (ashtakavarga differences between Parashara and > > > Varahamihira, for example) and what I jokingly call 'Later-day > > > Saints' in Jyotish. Realistically, it becomes extremely > difficult > > to > > > test and definitively rule out as something or one factor being > an > > In > > > or Out, black and white matter. Different interpretations emerge > > > based on different starting points. And the quest is made that > much > > > more difficult by the variable quality data that is available > for > > > births. > > > > > > I generally am very wary of using celebrity data. Yes, it is fun > > and > > > attractive to use Amitabh Bachchan's data to prove or illustrate > > > something, but is it Amitabh's horoscope one is looking at? It > is a > > > lot more satisfying to use ordinary people's data which can be > > > verified and followed up. And, truth be told, most of us will > > > probably be asked for a reading by regular folks more often than > > > celebrities. Who is to know or tell for sure that rules for > > > celebrities might not be different than for ordinary folks, > given > > the > > > different karmic levels etc. This is arguable and debatable, I > > admit. > > > Some may believe in there being more socialism in the Astrology > > Gods' > > > courts where everyone goes through the same karmic sieve. I > don't > > > know. > > > > > > In reality, when we actually see a hs and analyze and synthesize > a > > > chart and prepare a reading, I have always found it useful > > personally > > > to look for weight of evidence. If several pointers point in a > > > direction, I feel safer in going that way, readingwise. School > of > > > hard knocks has taught me and continues to almost on a daily > basis, > > > that 'one swallow does not make summer, nor does it quench for > long > > > one's thirst!" > > > > > > It is best to test in a few charts, of nativities well known to > the > > > jyotishi or from whom confirmation/feedback can be sought (hence > > > jyotishi always needs friends!) and see if the thing pans out. > > > > > > Personally, I am a sceptic at heart. If someone just tells me > this > > > works or that does not, it does not convince me, indeed it turns > me > > > off. I have a feeling, you are a kindred soul, in that sense -- > > > indeed many individuals in this forum are ... > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found > > > different > > > > birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just > gave > > up. > > > > It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties > sometimes. > > I > > > > had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some > > astrologers > > > > are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. > > > > > > > > May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I am > > > doing > > > > some research on Veda position of planets. What is your > > experience > > > > for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always > try > > > to > > > > test astrology rules before I use them because many things > > > mentioned > > > > in astrology books do not work in real life. I would > appreciate > > > your > > > > thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates > > some > > > > mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not > > deliver > > > > good results at all. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > I went to the site that you cited, even read through > > the "Peter's > > > > > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through > > the "want > > > > to > > > > > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very > active > > at > > > > the > > > > > moment ;-) > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is > > > > questionable > > > > > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon > the > > > pun! > > > > I > > > > > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort > to > > > > > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that they > > are > > > > > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but the > > most > > > > > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at > > > > classifying > > > > > data and giving information from which users may derive some > > > > opinion. > > > > > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this > case, > > > > Singh > > > > > Saheb! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting > for > > > > > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are > > questionable > > > > at > > > > > best! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used > to > > > > > validate > > > > > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different > > > > flavours. > > > > > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > > > > > astrologer) > > > > > > as > > > > > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' > > rating > > > in > > > > > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as > PM, > > it > > > > > should > > > > > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died > last > > > month > > > > > of > > > > > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant > lord > > > > venus > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house > lord > > > > > mercury. > > > > > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and > > 11th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > sun. > > > > > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's > > > nakshatra, > > > > > very > > > > > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus > are > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems > in > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in > Jupiter > > > > > > mahadasha, > > > > > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter > mahdasha > > > Mars > > > > > > > Bhukti. > > > > > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it > rules > > 7th > > > > > house > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house > of > > > > > > diseases, > > > > > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect > > lagna > > > > lord > > > > > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each > other's > > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter > also > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it > is > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd > house.So > > He > > > > > died > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the > month > > of > > > > > > august > > > > > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it > activated > > > the > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. > > > however, > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to > > disagree > > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking > > forward > > > to > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in > > good > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th > > house. > > > > Also > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the > age > > of > > > > 47. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV > > Raman's > > > > book > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He > > > mentioned > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be > > > through > > > > > > > lottery. > > > > > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in > > astrology > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I > want > > to > > > > > time > > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found > in > > > > their > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or > 12 > > > > house. > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's > > > nakshatras. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare > > > people > > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take > one > > > > from - > > > > > > 100 > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started > > > using > > > > > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting > in > > > the > > > > > > dark. > > > > > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If > > you > > > > are > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately > > > change > > > > it > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary > > > people. > > > > > > > Finally > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which > > > > astrologers > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the > feeling > > of > > > > > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be > ready > > > for > > > > > it. > > > > > > > Over- > > > > > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder > > attempts, > > > > > > > sexually > > > > > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's > negative > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go > hand > > in > > > > > hand. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is > being > > > kept > > > > > at > > > > > > > bay > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best > > > wishes > > > > > are > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such > > debates > > > > are > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. > > > Identify > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > > > > astrology > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh > House > > > (for > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. > People > > > who > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are > doing > > > > very > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, > he > > has > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn > > matures > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In > my > > > > case > > > > > I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers > predicted > > my > > > > > death > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in > 7th > > > lord > > > > > > > > mercury's > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also > it > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many > > people > > > > > look > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad > > health > > > > like > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even > have > > to > > > > see > > > > > a > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I > > have > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body > > builder > > > > > also. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You > > won't > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old > girl > > > > that > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why > I > > am > > > > good > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, > mercury > > > > venus > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, > youthfulness > > > and > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house > with > > all > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun > is > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants > > spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra > > > the > > > > > > ruler > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and > > Ketu > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's > > > crystal > > > > > > pages > > > > > > > > pdf > > > > > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In > > order > > > to > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am > > lucky > > > > that > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra > of > > > the > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga > all > > > > these > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine > > planets > > > > had > > > > > > > > aligned > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical > books > > and > > > > > even > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > guiness > > > > > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to > > feb > > > > 13th > > > > > > > 1962, > > > > > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have > had > > > six, > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > eight > > > > > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz > Khan > > or > > > > > > Haider > > > > > > > > Ali? > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are > more > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than > > three > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, > > including > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has > > given > > > > you > > > > > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both > rahu > > and > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh > > > House > > > > > (for > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is > > difficult > > > to > > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make > > > > mistakes. > > > > > If > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, > Chengaz > > > Khan > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in > > > second > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. > The > > > > > > > combustion > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not > > work > > > > > when > > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th > > house. > > > > > They > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, > aggressive > > > > > because > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme > good > > > and > > > > > > > extreme > > > > > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people > love > > > me > > > > or > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > hate > > > > > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my > > raj > > > > yoga > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha > for > > > last > > > > > 18 > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all > 7 > > > > > planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it > will > > be > > > > > > > different. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in > 6th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many > > > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "dervish108" > > > > > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > > > > > frustration. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been > going > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many > > things) > > > is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full > outcome, > > > that > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great > > > relieve. > > > > > Due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many > astrologers > > > with > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any > > > more, > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my > > chart. > > > > > That > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can > see, > > > the > > > > > > > massage > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. > I > > > > don`t > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > what we > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is > working > > > hard > > > > to > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware > of > > > > that, > > > > > go > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in > there > > > then > > > > > > D1. > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then > 11th > > > house > > > > > > > > matters, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your > AK,. > > I > > > > > think > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from > > one`s > > > > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my > chart. > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give > me > > > > > sudden > > > > > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars > > > > exalted > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in > 11th > > > > house > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should > give > > > the > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the > > > sudden > > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's > chart. > > He > > > > was > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in > second > > > house > > > > > and > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He > has > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars > nakshatra. > > > Mars > > > > > > ruler > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He > > became > > > > > king > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case > > > > Mercury, > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him > to a > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY > > and > > > > MARS > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in > > > exalted > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a > > > yogkaraka > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan > ji > > and > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > vattem > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed > in "upachaya > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses > from > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama > > bhava > > > is > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances > the > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > teaches > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > > > > > humanbeings > > > > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and > > > invlove > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and > kama > > > the > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape > > well > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate > result > > > one > > > > > > awauts > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause > to > > > feel > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe > > these > > > > > three > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma > viz > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development > > houses > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human > > being.In > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the > promotion > > > and > > > > > > > welfare > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like > Gnana > > and > > > > > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach > > > > (seeking > > > > > to > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e > > > > moksha.here > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and > contended > > > > > instead > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again > into > > > the > > > > > > > vicious > > > > > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too > as > > in > > > > that > > > > > > > > > perspective > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to > think > > > of > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of > these 'links' > > > and > > > > > > > prosper > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The > > > opportunity > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > > > > > dharha.These > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it > all > > > > > depends > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just > naming > > > as > > > > > some > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a > human > > as > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases > irrespective > > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey > > > > > importance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and > > > > moderate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most > > > essential > > > > > to > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in > Dharma > > > and > > > > > is > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all > > > evils.we > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > serving > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are > basically > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose > the > > > > patha > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the > bhavs > > > > > > accordingly > > > > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is > to > > > > > support > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an > opportunity > > > for > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another > > > approach > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of > > > these > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, > > > competition, > > > > > > > > earning, > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the > spirit > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > BIG > > > > > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, > and > > > the > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would > indeed > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], > > ahimsaa > > > > [6] > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > charity > > > > > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective - > - > > > one > > > > > from > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and > they > > are > > > > not > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or > > even > > > to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old > and > > > new > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality > in > > a > > > > > > chapter > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the > rich > > > and > > > > > > > famous, > > > > > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the > householder > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly > classes > > > are > > > > > well > > > > > > > > cared > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and > > tantriks > > > > are > > > > > a > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual > path > > > have > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in > the > > > > eye! > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > poor > > > > > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis) > > karma > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet > to > > be > > > > > > elevated > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take > for > > > > granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds > us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "John" > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing > in > > a > > > > > > seminar > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses > contain > > > the > > > > > > Trika > > > > > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the > 3rd > > > > house, > > > > > a > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing > the > > 6th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the > > 11th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the > upachaya > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these > negative > > > > > > > > predispositions > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to > > address > > > > the > > > > > > > doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , "Rohini > > > > > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > > > > > about 'growth'. > > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. > Growth > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth > in > > > the > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes > one > > > away > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be > focussed > > on > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of > > > > scriptural > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder > > would > > > > > care > > > > > > > > about, > > > > > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, > and > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few > > stanzas > > > on > > > > > > > ascetic > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been > > > spawned > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar > > religious/spiritual > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the > beholder, > > > > still > > > > > > > holds > > > > > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, > quite > > > > > > healthily > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually > > used > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it > was > > > > > > > predominantly > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. > > > Though > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > > > > > devotional, > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention > of > > > God, > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Sages > > > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: > > > Someone > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind > some > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, > > > vol.2, > > > > > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do > not > > > > discuss > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible > > that > > > > the > > > > > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not > > bear > > > > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, > and > > > > then > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets > is > > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently > > > indicated > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri > > > (Systems > > > > > > > > Approach) > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years > ago > > > and > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly > > > > repetitive > > > > > > beat > > > > > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if > you > > > ask, > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, > > some > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best > > thing > > > is > > > > > to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any > longer > > > now > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > databases > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like > > > astrodatabank > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, > > poor, > > > > > > middle - > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their > lives, > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas > are > > not > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what > I > > > say > > > > or > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment > > yourself > > > > and > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing > > > better, > > > > > > > anyway! > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- > maybe > > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > motivate > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some > think > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like > the > > > real > > > > > life > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like > > life > > > > and > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I > > > > suspect > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that > the > > > > > Lordship > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that > the > > > > > placement > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good > > > placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship > > > considered > > > > > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that > > material > > > > > gains > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in > > conflict > > > > with > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to > the > > > 11th > > > > > > > > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > > > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > DIVINITY > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > > vedic > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your > group "" > > on > > > > the > > > > > > web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, > send > > an > > > > > email > > > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is > subject > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane > > > > Katrina > > > > > > > relief > > > > > > > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE > ULTIMATE > > > > > DIVINITY > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- - > --- > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear Singh Just take it easy. There is a general perception that spirituality is starving oneself of material comforts. And if some talks about being a materialist, it doesnot go well with others, this could be their own insecurities. So just dont bother about these things, take it easy. You need not react to each and every thing on any forum. best wishes partha , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Did I ask you for a advice? Why you are so desparate to give me a bad > news. It doesn't do anything to me. You have no idea who I am, and > you never will. If it makes you happy then fine with me. > Keep writing, if it makes you happy. > > > , "vedic_charts" > <vedic_charts> wrote: > > Dear G Singh, > > I have been watching this thread with mild amusement so- > > far and I could not resist to throw in my 2 cents. > > I did study your chart and the only thing that was not discussed so- > > far was your Charakarak replacement. > > > > Your Jupiter and Rahu have identical degrees, and so have Moon and > > Mercury, replacement going on. > > > > I am in agreement with the other astrologers that you are going to > > undergo deep frustration in materialistic pursuits (only because of > > heightened expectations) and then after enormous turmoil, turn > > spiritualistic, by the turn of this decade. > > > > Good luck in getting what ever you need (and not what you desire) > > > > Sam > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > I try to study the charts of billionaires, celebraties and at > > the > > > same time criminals, beggers, people who have suffered all their > > > life. I find it very interesting. Maybe I will meet a person who > > may > > > be ordinary today but may be billionaire 5 years from today. > > > > > > I want to learn very fast and then start my astrology practice > > in > > > Beverly Hills ca. There I will be studying the celebraties > > astrology > > > charts not ordinary people. You know my 2nd house lord is with 6 > > > other planets so I will have income from many different sources, > > and > > > astrology will be one of them. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Singh saheb, > > > > > > > > I have during my journey examined vedha, amongst other things. > > The > > > > problems with definitive testing of many of jyotish parameters > > is > > > of > > > > mammoth proportions. There are different ayanamshas and > > different > > > > ways of calculating dashas and other variables, some introduced > > by > > > > ancients (ashtakavarga differences between Parashara and > > > > Varahamihira, for example) and what I jokingly call 'Later- day > > > > Saints' in Jyotish. Realistically, it becomes extremely > > difficult > > > to > > > > test and definitively rule out as something or one factor being > > an > > > In > > > > or Out, black and white matter. Different interpretations > emerge > > > > based on different starting points. And the quest is made that > > much > > > > more difficult by the variable quality data that is available > > for > > > > births. > > > > > > > > I generally am very wary of using celebrity data. Yes, it is > fun > > > and > > > > attractive to use Amitabh Bachchan's data to prove or > illustrate > > > > something, but is it Amitabh's horoscope one is looking at? It > > is a > > > > lot more satisfying to use ordinary people's data which can be > > > > verified and followed up. And, truth be told, most of us will > > > > probably be asked for a reading by regular folks more often > than > > > > celebrities. Who is to know or tell for sure that rules for > > > > celebrities might not be different than for ordinary folks, > > given > > > the > > > > different karmic levels etc. This is arguable and debatable, I > > > admit. > > > > Some may believe in there being more socialism in the Astrology > > > Gods' > > > > courts where everyone goes through the same karmic sieve. I > > don't > > > > know. > > > > > > > > In reality, when we actually see a hs and analyze and > synthesize > > a > > > > chart and prepare a reading, I have always found it useful > > > personally > > > > to look for weight of evidence. If several pointers point in a > > > > direction, I feel safer in going that way, readingwise. School > > of > > > > hard knocks has taught me and continues to almost on a daily > > basis, > > > > that 'one swallow does not make summer, nor does it quench for > > long > > > > one's thirst!" > > > > > > > > It is best to test in a few charts, of nativities well known to > > the > > > > jyotishi or from whom confirmation/feedback can be sought > (hence > > > > jyotishi always needs friends!) and see if the thing pans out. > > > > > > > > Personally, I am a sceptic at heart. If someone just tells me > > this > > > > works or that does not, it does not convince me, indeed it > turns > > me > > > > off. I have a feeling, you are a kindred soul, in that sense - - > > > > indeed many individuals in this forum are ... > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found > > > > different > > > > > birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just > > gave > > > up. > > > > > It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties > > sometimes. > > > I > > > > > had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some > > > astrologers > > > > > are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. > > > > > > > > > > May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I > am > > > > doing > > > > > some research on Veda position of planets. What is your > > > experience > > > > > for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always > > try > > > > to > > > > > test astrology rules before I use them because many things > > > > mentioned > > > > > in astrology books do not work in real life. I would > > appreciate > > > > your > > > > > thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates > > > some > > > > > mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not > > > deliver > > > > > good results at all. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > I went to the site that you cited, even read through > > > the "Peter's > > > > > > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through > > > the "want > > > > > to > > > > > > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very > > active > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > moment ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is > > > > > questionable > > > > > > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon > > the > > > > pun! > > > > > I > > > > > > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort > > to > > > > > > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that > they > > > are > > > > > > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but > the > > > most > > > > > > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at > > > > > classifying > > > > > > data and giving information from which users may derive > some > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this > > case, > > > > > Singh > > > > > > Saheb! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting > > for > > > > > > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are > > > questionable > > > > > at > > > > > > best! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being > used > > to > > > > > > validate > > > > > > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different > > > > > flavours. > > > > > > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > > > > > > astrologer) > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' > > > rating > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as > > PM, > > > it > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died > > last > > > > month > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant > > lord > > > > > venus > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house > > lord > > > > > > mercury. > > > > > > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon > and > > > 11th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > sun. > > > > > > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus > > are > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health > problems > > in > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in > > Jupiter > > > > > > > mahadasha, > > > > > > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter > > mahdasha > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > Bhukti. > > > > > > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it > > rules > > > 7th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart > and > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house > > of > > > > > > > diseases, > > > > > > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect > > > lagna > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each > > other's > > > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter > > also > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it > > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd > > house.So > > > He > > > > > > died > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the > > month > > > of > > > > > > > august > > > > > > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it > > activated > > > > the > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > > > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > > > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. > > > > however, > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to > > > disagree > > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking > > > forward > > > > to > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in > > > good > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th > > > house. > > > > > Also > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the > > age > > > of > > > > > 47. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV > > > Raman's > > > > > book > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be > > > > through > > > > > > > > lottery. > > > > > > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in > > > astrology > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I > > want > > > to > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I > found > > in > > > > > their > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or > > 12 > > > > > house. > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's > > > > nakshatras. > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare > > > > people > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take > > one > > > > > from - > > > > > > > 100 > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I > started > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just > shooting > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > dark. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. > If > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately > > > > change > > > > > it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Finally > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the > > feeling > > > of > > > > > > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be > > ready > > > > for > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Over- > > > > > > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder > > > attempts, > > > > > > > > sexually > > > > > > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's > > negative > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go > > hand > > > in > > > > > > hand. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is > > being > > > > kept > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > bay > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my > best > > > > wishes > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such > > > debates > > > > > are > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. > > > > Identify > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh > > House > > > > (for > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. > > People > > > > who > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are > > doing > > > > > very > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, > > he > > > has > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is > millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn > > > matures > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. > In > > my > > > > > case > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers > > predicted > > > my > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in > > 7th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > mercury's > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also > > it > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many > > > people > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad > > > health > > > > > like > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even > > have > > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I > > > have > > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body > > > builder > > > > > > also. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You > > > won't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old > > girl > > > > > that > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why > > I > > > am > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, > > mercury > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, > > youthfulness > > > > and > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house > > with > > > all > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun > > is > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants > > > spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra > > > > the > > > > > > > ruler > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury > and > > > Ketu > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's > > > > crystal > > > > > > > pages > > > > > > > > > pdf > > > > > > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In > > > order > > > > to > > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am > > > lucky > > > > > that > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra > > of > > > > the > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga > > all > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine > > > planets > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > aligned > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical > > books > > > and > > > > > > even > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > guiness > > > > > > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 > to > > > feb > > > > > 13th > > > > > > > > 1962, > > > > > > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have > > had > > > > six, > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > eight > > > > > > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz > > Khan > > > or > > > > > > > Haider > > > > > > > > > Ali? > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are > > more > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than > > > three > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, > > > including > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has > > > given > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both > > rahu > > > and > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > (for > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is > > > difficult > > > > to > > > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make > > > > > mistakes. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, > > Chengaz > > > > Khan > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets > in > > > > second > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. > > The > > > > > > > > combustion > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does > not > > > work > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th > > > house. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, > > aggressive > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme > > good > > > > and > > > > > > > > extreme > > > > > > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people > > love > > > > me > > > > > or > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > hate > > > > > > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason > my > > > raj > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha > > for > > > > last > > > > > > 18 > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects > all > > 7 > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all > 7 > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it > > will > > > be > > > > > > > > different. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in > > 6th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many > > > > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > > > > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > > > > > > frustration. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been > > going > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many > > > things) > > > > is > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full > > outcome, > > > > that > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great > > > > relieve. > > > > > > Due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many > > astrologers > > > > with > > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies > any > > > > more, > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my > > > chart. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can > > see, > > > > the > > > > > > > > massage > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very > strong. > > I > > > > > don`t > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > what we > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is > > working > > > > hard > > > > > to > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware > > of > > > > > that, > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in > > there > > > > then > > > > > > > D1. > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then > > 11th > > > > house > > > > > > > > > matters, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your > > AK,. > > > I > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from > > > one`s > > > > > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my > > chart. > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will > give > > me > > > > > > sudden > > > > > > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord > Mars > > > > > exalted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in > > 11th > > > > > house > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should > > give > > > > the > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the > > > > sudden > > > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > > > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's > > chart. > > > He > > > > > was > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in > > second > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He > > has > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars > > nakshatra. > > > > Mars > > > > > > > ruler > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He > > > became > > > > > > king > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his > case > > > > > Mercury, > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him > > to a > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, > MERCURY > > > and > > > > > MARS > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in > > > > exalted > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a > > > > yogkaraka > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan > > ji > > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > vattem > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed > > in "upachaya > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses > > from > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama > > > bhava > > > > is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances > > the > > > > life > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > teaches > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > > > > > > humanbeings > > > > > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and > > > > invlove > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and > > kama > > > > the > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > > > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to > shape > > > well > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate > > result > > > > one > > > > > > > awauts > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause > > to > > > > feel > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe > > > these > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma > > viz > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development > > > houses > > > > > and > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human > > > being.In > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the > > promotion > > > > and > > > > > > > > welfare > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like > > Gnana > > > and > > > > > > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach > > > > > (seeking > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e > > > > > moksha.here > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and > > contended > > > > > > instead > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again > > into > > > > the > > > > > > > > vicious > > > > > > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too > > as > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > perspective > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to > > think > > > > of > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of > > these 'links' > > > > and > > > > > > > > prosper > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The > > > > opportunity > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > > > > > > dharha.These > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it > > all > > > > > > depends > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just > > naming > > > > as > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a > > human > > > as > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases > > irrespective > > > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and > convey > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and > > > > > moderate > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most > > > > essential > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in > > Dharma > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all > > > > evils.we > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > serving > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are > > basically > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose > > the > > > > > patha > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the > > bhavs > > > > > > > accordingly > > > > > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is > > to > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an > > opportunity > > > > for > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another > > > > approach > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a > guilty > > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view > of > > > > these > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, > > > > competition, > > > > > > > > > earning, > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the > > spirit > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > BIG > > > > > > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would > > indeed > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], > > > ahimsaa > > > > > [6] > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > charity > > > > > > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly > perspective - > > - > > > > one > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and > > they > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or > > > even > > > > to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old > > and > > > > new > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality > > in > > > a > > > > > > > chapter > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the > > rich > > > > and > > > > > > > > famous, > > > > > > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the > > householder > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly > > classes > > > > are > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > cared > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and > > > tantriks > > > > > are > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual > > path > > > > have > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in > > the > > > > > eye! > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > poor > > > > > > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis) > > > karma > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet > > to > > > be > > > > > > > elevated > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take > > for > > > > > granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what > surrounds > > us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "John" > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer > lecturing > > in > > > a > > > > > > > seminar > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses > > contain > > > > the > > > > > > > Trika > > > > > > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the > > 3rd > > > > > house, > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing > > the > > > 6th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing > the > > > 11th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the > > upachaya > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these > > negative > > > > > > > > > predispositions > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to > > > address > > > > > the > > > > > > > > doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > > > > > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > > > > > > about 'growth'. > > > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. > > Growth > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes > > one > > > > away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be > > focussed > > > on > > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of > > > > > scriptural > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder > > > would > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > about, > > > > > > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, > > and > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few > > > stanzas > > > > on > > > > > > > > ascetic > > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been > > > > spawned > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar > > > religious/spiritual > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the > > beholder, > > > > > still > > > > > > > > holds > > > > > > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, > > quite > > > > > > > healthily > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually > > > used > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it > > was > > > > > > > > predominantly > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used > for. > > > > Though > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > > > > > > devotional, > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention > > of > > > > God, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Sages > > > > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind > > some > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, > Sagar, > > > > vol.2, > > > > > > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do > > not > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not > > > bear > > > > > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all > tenets > > is > > > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently > > > > indicated > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri > > > > (Systems > > > > > > > > > Approach) > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years > > ago > > > > and > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly > > > > > repetitive > > > > > > > beat > > > > > > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if > > you > > > > ask, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, > > > some > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best > > > thing > > > > is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any > > longer > > > > now > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > databases > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like > > > > astrodatabank > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, > > > poor, > > > > > > > middle - > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their > > lives, > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas > > are > > > not > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in > what > > I > > > > say > > > > > or > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment > > > yourself > > > > > and > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing > > > > better, > > > > > > > > anyway! > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- > > maybe > > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > motivate > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some > > think > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like > > the > > > > real > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just > like > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though > I > > > > > suspect > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that > > the > > > > > > Lordship > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that > > the > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good > > > > placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 dear friend gurmeet ji having seen your talent in the other groups earlier, i am encouraging you to channelise your knowledge in the positive direction. you have done good analysis of the chart, though posthumously. for you to hone your skills further, you shall analyse and predict the questions raised in the group FOR FUTURE. i wish you all the best in this venture. 28th star abhijeet is no new discovery. it finds its mention in most astrology books, both vedic and medevial. you can use either way and no wrong with it. just tread on the path of astrology in predictions for few months, you yourself would stand on the right path. besides books, experience would prove to be a better guru. with best wishes arjun hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote: Arjun ji, I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month of lungs cancer. Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord venus in 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord mercury. There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th lord sun. The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, very good for career. The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are aspected by 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in jupiter mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter mahadasha, but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars Bhukti. Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th house and 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed in the nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of diseases, Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna lord venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's nakshatra. Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also becomes wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is placed in the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He died in Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of august jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the yoga between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. Birth data July 29, 1938 12:00 PM Toronto, Canada G. Singh , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friend gurmeet ji > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, please note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and also disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to more NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > with best wishes > arjun > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu is > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This is > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How to > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also > mentioned same thing. > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time events > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That > makes them killer and criminal. > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 to > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not and > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This is > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally I > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > Regards > > G. Singh > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make is > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over- > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay by > ketu. > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are with > you. > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good for > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them and > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have this > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well > some of > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the age > of > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had to > go > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also > as > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord mercury's > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all > seven > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like > 28 at > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you > did. > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a doctor > in > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest in > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am > 6'1" > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe just > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she > can't > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely remember > me > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good looking > and > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave me > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these > planets > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of > 2nd > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will > activate > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages pdf > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to activate > mars > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my > lagna > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these planets > are > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had aligned > and > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in > guiness > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or > eight > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider Ali? > How > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > successful > > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in > one > > house. > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your > lagnesh. > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > stubbornness > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take > one > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine > the > > net > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you > go > > back > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also > had > > 7 > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, > > chengez > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion > did > > not > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is > > with 6 > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give > you > > high > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars > is > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme > bad in > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they > hate > > me so > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was > delayed > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. > > Rahu is > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in > 11th > > house. > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I > > came > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The > person > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I > have 7 > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > experiences. > > > The > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due > to > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us > > angry. > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am > trying to > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the > > nature > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is > > very > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know > what we > > > have > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find > out. > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to > the > > sub > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You > > should > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, > you > > have > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that > is > > the > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > > many > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > > myself > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > > Mars > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > > by > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > > when > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > > days > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > > and > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > > Mars > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > > important > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > > and > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > > chart. I > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > > doshas.May > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle > > > > of > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that > > > > we > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > > need > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > > kama),one > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > > his > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > > and > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > > manner > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > > to > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > > be > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > > enable > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > > but > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > > beings > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > > and > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > > same > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > > makes > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > > which > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > > too. > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > > astrology > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > > In > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > > mentioning > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > > of > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > > addition > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > > never > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > > soul > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > > seek > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > > attended > > > > > in > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > > three > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > > desires, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > > that > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > > extent > > > > > I > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > > mileage > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > > Being > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > > 24- > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > > wise > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > > and > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > > good > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > see > > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > > else > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > > great! > > > > > If > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > > move > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > > describes > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Dear G Singh, I agree with ure theory...Jim Carrey is another example of many planets in 10th house , he was also born in Jan 1962..i got the data from the same link u sent earlier. http://www.astrolreport.com/famous/jim.carrey.htm Regards Gaurav , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Did I ask you for a advice? Why you are so desparate to give me a bad > news. It doesn't do anything to me. You have no idea who I am, and > you never will. If it makes you happy then fine with me. > Keep writing, if it makes you happy. > > > , "vedic_charts" > <vedic_charts> wrote: > > Dear G Singh, > > I have been watching this thread with mild amusement so- > > far and I could not resist to throw in my 2 cents. > > I did study your chart and the only thing that was not discussed so- > > far was your Charakarak replacement. > > > > Your Jupiter and Rahu have identical degrees, and so have Moon and > > Mercury, replacement going on. > > > > I am in agreement with the other astrologers that you are going to > > undergo deep frustration in materialistic pursuits (only because of > > heightened expectations) and then after enormous turmoil, turn > > spiritualistic, by the turn of this decade. > > > > Good luck in getting what ever you need (and not what you desire) > > > > Sam > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > I try to study the charts of billionaires, celebraties and at > > the > > > same time criminals, beggers, people who have suffered all their > > > life. I find it very interesting. Maybe I will meet a person who > > may > > > be ordinary today but may be billionaire 5 years from today. > > > > > > I want to learn very fast and then start my astrology practice > > in > > > Beverly Hills ca. There I will be studying the celebraties > > astrology > > > charts not ordinary people. You know my 2nd house lord is with 6 > > > other planets so I will have income from many different sources, > > and > > > astrology will be one of them. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Singh saheb, > > > > > > > > I have during my journey examined vedha, amongst other things. > > The > > > > problems with definitive testing of many of jyotish parameters > > is > > > of > > > > mammoth proportions. There are different ayanamshas and > > different > > > > ways of calculating dashas and other variables, some introduced > > by > > > > ancients (ashtakavarga differences between Parashara and > > > > Varahamihira, for example) and what I jokingly call 'Later- day > > > > Saints' in Jyotish. Realistically, it becomes extremely > > difficult > > > to > > > > test and definitively rule out as something or one factor being > > an > > > In > > > > or Out, black and white matter. Different interpretations > emerge > > > > based on different starting points. And the quest is made that > > much > > > > more difficult by the variable quality data that is available > > for > > > > births. > > > > > > > > I generally am very wary of using celebrity data. Yes, it is > fun > > > and > > > > attractive to use Amitabh Bachchan's data to prove or > illustrate > > > > something, but is it Amitabh's horoscope one is looking at? It > > is a > > > > lot more satisfying to use ordinary people's data which can be > > > > verified and followed up. And, truth be told, most of us will > > > > probably be asked for a reading by regular folks more often > than > > > > celebrities. Who is to know or tell for sure that rules for > > > > celebrities might not be different than for ordinary folks, > > given > > > the > > > > different karmic levels etc. This is arguable and debatable, I > > > admit. > > > > Some may believe in there being more socialism in the Astrology > > > Gods' > > > > courts where everyone goes through the same karmic sieve. I > > don't > > > > know. > > > > > > > > In reality, when we actually see a hs and analyze and > synthesize > > a > > > > chart and prepare a reading, I have always found it useful > > > personally > > > > to look for weight of evidence. If several pointers point in a > > > > direction, I feel safer in going that way, readingwise. School > > of > > > > hard knocks has taught me and continues to almost on a daily > > basis, > > > > that 'one swallow does not make summer, nor does it quench for > > long > > > > one's thirst!" > > > > > > > > It is best to test in a few charts, of nativities well known to > > the > > > > jyotishi or from whom confirmation/feedback can be sought > (hence > > > > jyotishi always needs friends!) and see if the thing pans out. > > > > > > > > Personally, I am a sceptic at heart. If someone just tells me > > this > > > > works or that does not, it does not convince me, indeed it > turns > > me > > > > off. I have a feeling, you are a kindred soul, in that sense - - > > > > indeed many individuals in this forum are ... > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found > > > > different > > > > > birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just > > gave > > > up. > > > > > It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties > > sometimes. > > > I > > > > > had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some > > > astrologers > > > > > are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. > > > > > > > > > > May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I > am > > > > doing > > > > > some research on Veda position of planets. What is your > > > experience > > > > > for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always > > try > > > > to > > > > > test astrology rules before I use them because many things > > > > mentioned > > > > > in astrology books do not work in real life. I would > > appreciate > > > > your > > > > > thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates > > > some > > > > > mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not > > > deliver > > > > > good results at all. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > I went to the site that you cited, even read through > > > the "Peter's > > > > > > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through > > > the "want > > > > > to > > > > > > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very > > active > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > moment ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is > > > > > questionable > > > > > > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon > > the > > > > pun! > > > > > I > > > > > > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort > > to > > > > > > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that > they > > > are > > > > > > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but > the > > > most > > > > > > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at > > > > > classifying > > > > > > data and giving information from which users may derive > some > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this > > case, > > > > > Singh > > > > > > Saheb! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting > > for > > > > > > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are > > > questionable > > > > > at > > > > > > best! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being > used > > to > > > > > > validate > > > > > > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different > > > > > flavours. > > > > > > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > > > > > > astrologer) > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' > > > rating > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as > > PM, > > > it > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died > > last > > > > month > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant > > lord > > > > > venus > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house > > lord > > > > > > mercury. > > > > > > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon > and > > > 11th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > sun. > > > > > > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus > > are > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health > problems > > in > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in > > Jupiter > > > > > > > mahadasha, > > > > > > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter > > mahdasha > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > Bhukti. > > > > > > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it > > rules > > > 7th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart > and > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house > > of > > > > > > > diseases, > > > > > > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect > > > lagna > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each > > other's > > > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter > > also > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it > > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd > > house.So > > > He > > > > > > died > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the > > month > > > of > > > > > > > august > > > > > > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it > > activated > > > > the > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > > > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > > > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > > > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. > > > > however, > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to > > > disagree > > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking > > > forward > > > > to > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in > > > good > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th > > > house. > > > > > Also > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the > > age > > > of > > > > > 47. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV > > > Raman's > > > > > book > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be > > > > through > > > > > > > > lottery. > > > > > > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in > > > astrology > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I > > want > > > to > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I > found > > in > > > > > their > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or > > 12 > > > > > house. > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's > > > > nakshatras. > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare > > > > people > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take > > one > > > > > from - > > > > > > > 100 > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I > started > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just > shooting > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > dark. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. > If > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately > > > > change > > > > > it > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Finally > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became > > > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the > > feeling > > > of > > > > > > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be > > ready > > > > for > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Over- > > > > > > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder > > > attempts, > > > > > > > > sexually > > > > > > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's > > negative > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go > > hand > > > in > > > > > > hand. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is > > being > > > > kept > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > bay > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my > best > > > > wishes > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such > > > debates > > > > > are > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. > > > > Identify > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh > > House > > > > (for > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. > > People > > > > who > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are > > doing > > > > > very > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, > > he > > > has > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is > millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn > > > matures > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. > In > > my > > > > > case > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers > > predicted > > > my > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in > > 7th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > mercury's > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also > > it > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many > > > people > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad > > > health > > > > > like > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even > > have > > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I > > > have > > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body > > > builder > > > > > > also. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You > > > won't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old > > girl > > > > > that > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why > > I > > > am > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, > > mercury > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, > > youthfulness > > > > and > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house > > with > > > all > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun > > is > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants > > > spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra > > > > the > > > > > > > ruler > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury > and > > > Ketu > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's > > > > crystal > > > > > > > pages > > > > > > > > > pdf > > > > > > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In > > > order > > > > to > > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am > > > lucky > > > > > that > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra > > of > > > > the > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga > > all > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine > > > planets > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > aligned > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical > > books > > > and > > > > > > even > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > guiness > > > > > > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 > to > > > feb > > > > > 13th > > > > > > > > 1962, > > > > > > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have > > had > > > > six, > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > eight > > > > > > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz > > Khan > > > or > > > > > > > Haider > > > > > > > > > Ali? > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are > > more > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than > > > three > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, > > > including > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has > > > given > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both > > rahu > > > and > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > (for > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is > > > difficult > > > > to > > > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make > > > > > mistakes. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, > > Chengaz > > > > Khan > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets > in > > > > second > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. > > The > > > > > > > > combustion > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does > not > > > work > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th > > > house. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, > > aggressive > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme > > good > > > > and > > > > > > > > extreme > > > > > > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people > > love > > > > me > > > > > or > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > hate > > > > > > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason > my > > > raj > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha > > for > > > > last > > > > > > 18 > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects > all > > 7 > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all > 7 > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it > > will > > > be > > > > > > > > different. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in > > 6th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many > > > > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > > > > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > > > > > > frustration. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been > > going > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many > > > things) > > > > is > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full > > outcome, > > > > that > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great > > > > relieve. > > > > > > Due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many > > astrologers > > > > with > > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies > any > > > > more, > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my > > > chart. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can > > see, > > > > the > > > > > > > > massage > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very > strong. > > I > > > > > don`t > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > what we > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is > > working > > > > hard > > > > > to > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware > > of > > > > > that, > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in > > there > > > > then > > > > > > > D1. > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then > > 11th > > > > house > > > > > > > > > matters, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your > > AK,. > > > I > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from > > > one`s > > > > > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my > > chart. > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will > give > > me > > > > > > sudden > > > > > > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord > Mars > > > > > exalted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in > > 11th > > > > > house > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should > > give > > > > the > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the > > > > sudden > > > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > > > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's > > chart. > > > He > > > > > was > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in > > second > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He > > has > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars > > nakshatra. > > > > Mars > > > > > > > ruler > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He > > > became > > > > > > king > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his > case > > > > > Mercury, > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him > > to a > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, > MERCURY > > > and > > > > > MARS > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in > > > > exalted > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a > > > > yogkaraka > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan > > ji > > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > vattem > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed > > in "upachaya > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses > > from > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama > > > bhava > > > > is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances > > the > > > > life > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > teaches > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > > > > > > humanbeings > > > > > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and > > > > invlove > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and > > kama > > > > the > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > > > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to > shape > > > well > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate > > result > > > > one > > > > > > > awauts > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause > > to > > > > feel > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe > > > these > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma > > viz > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development > > > houses > > > > > and > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human > > > being.In > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the > > promotion > > > > and > > > > > > > > welfare > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like > > Gnana > > > and > > > > > > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach > > > > > (seeking > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e > > > > > moksha.here > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and > > contended > > > > > > instead > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again > > into > > > > the > > > > > > > > vicious > > > > > > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too > > as > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > perspective > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to > > think > > > > of > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of > > these 'links' > > > > and > > > > > > > > prosper > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The > > > > opportunity > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > > > > > > dharha.These > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it > > all > > > > > > depends > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just > > naming > > > > as > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a > > human > > > as > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases > > irrespective > > > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and > convey > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and > > > > > moderate > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most > > > > essential > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in > > Dharma > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all > > > > evils.we > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > serving > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are > > basically > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose > > the > > > > > patha > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the > > bhavs > > > > > > > accordingly > > > > > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is > > to > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an > > opportunity > > > > for > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another > > > > approach > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a > guilty > > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view > of > > > > these > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, > > > > competition, > > > > > > > > > earning, > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the > > spirit > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > BIG > > > > > > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would > > indeed > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], > > > ahimsaa > > > > > [6] > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > charity > > > > > > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly > perspective - > > - > > > > one > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and > > they > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or > > > even > > > > to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old > > and > > > > new > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality > > in > > > a > > > > > > > chapter > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the > > rich > > > > and > > > > > > > > famous, > > > > > > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the > > householder > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly > > classes > > > > are > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > cared > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and > > > tantriks > > > > > are > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual > > path > > > > have > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in > > the > > > > > eye! > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > poor > > > > > > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis) > > > karma > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet > > to > > > be > > > > > > > elevated > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take > > for > > > > > granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what > surrounds > > us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "John" > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer > lecturing > > in > > > a > > > > > > > seminar > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses > > contain > > > > the > > > > > > > Trika > > > > > > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the > > 3rd > > > > > house, > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing > > the > > > 6th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing > the > > > 11th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the > > upachaya > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these > > negative > > > > > > > > > predispositions > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to > > > address > > > > > the > > > > > > > > doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > > > > > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > > > > > > about 'growth'. > > > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. > > Growth > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes > > one > > > > away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be > > focussed > > > on > > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of > > > > > scriptural > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder > > > would > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > about, > > > > > > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, > > and > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few > > > stanzas > > > > on > > > > > > > > ascetic > > > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been > > > > spawned > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar > > > religious/spiritual > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the > > beholder, > > > > > still > > > > > > > > holds > > > > > > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, > > quite > > > > > > > healthily > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually > > > used > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it > > was > > > > > > > > predominantly > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used > for. > > > > Though > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > > > > > > devotional, > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention > > of > > > > God, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Sages > > > > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind > > some > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, > Sagar, > > > > vol.2, > > > > > > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do > > not > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not > > > bear > > > > > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all > tenets > > is > > > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently > > > > indicated > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri > > > > (Systems > > > > > > > > > Approach) > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years > > ago > > > > and > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly > > > > > repetitive > > > > > > > beat > > > > > > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if > > you > > > > ask, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, > > > some > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best > > > thing > > > > is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any > > longer > > > > now > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > databases > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like > > > > astrodatabank > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, > > > poor, > > > > > > > middle - > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their > > lives, > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas > > are > > > not > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in > what > > I > > > > say > > > > > or > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment > > > yourself > > > > > and > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing > > > > better, > > > > > > > > anyway! > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- > > maybe > > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > motivate > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some > > think > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like > > the > > > > real > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just > like > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though > I > > > > > suspect > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that > > the > > > > > > Lordship > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that > > the > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good > > > > placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 That sounds like a good plan. My best wishes for success. RR , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Rohini ji, > > I try to study the charts of billionaires, celebraties and at the > same time criminals, beggers, people who have suffered all their > life. I find it very interesting. Maybe I will meet a person who may > be ordinary today but may be billionaire 5 years from today. > > I want to learn very fast and then start my astrology practice in > Beverly Hills ca. There I will be studying the celebraties astrology > charts not ordinary people. You know my 2nd house lord is with 6 > other planets so I will have income from many different sources, and > astrology will be one of them. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Singh saheb, > > > > I have during my journey examined vedha, amongst other things. The > > problems with definitive testing of many of jyotish parameters is > of > > mammoth proportions. There are different ayanamshas and different > > ways of calculating dashas and other variables, some introduced by > > ancients (ashtakavarga differences between Parashara and > > Varahamihira, for example) and what I jokingly call 'Later-day > > Saints' in Jyotish. Realistically, it becomes extremely difficult > to > > test and definitively rule out as something or one factor being an > In > > or Out, black and white matter. Different interpretations emerge > > based on different starting points. And the quest is made that much > > more difficult by the variable quality data that is available for > > births. > > > > I generally am very wary of using celebrity data. Yes, it is fun > and > > attractive to use Amitabh Bachchan's data to prove or illustrate > > something, but is it Amitabh's horoscope one is looking at? It is a > > lot more satisfying to use ordinary people's data which can be > > verified and followed up. And, truth be told, most of us will > > probably be asked for a reading by regular folks more often than > > celebrities. Who is to know or tell for sure that rules for > > celebrities might not be different than for ordinary folks, given > the > > different karmic levels etc. This is arguable and debatable, I > admit. > > Some may believe in there being more socialism in the Astrology > Gods' > > courts where everyone goes through the same karmic sieve. I don't > > know. > > > > In reality, when we actually see a hs and analyze and synthesize a > > chart and prepare a reading, I have always found it useful > personally > > to look for weight of evidence. If several pointers point in a > > direction, I feel safer in going that way, readingwise. School of > > hard knocks has taught me and continues to almost on a daily basis, > > that 'one swallow does not make summer, nor does it quench for long > > one's thirst!" > > > > It is best to test in a few charts, of nativities well known to the > > jyotishi or from whom confirmation/feedback can be sought (hence > > jyotishi always needs friends!) and see if the thing pans out. > > > > Personally, I am a sceptic at heart. If someone just tells me this > > works or that does not, it does not convince me, indeed it turns me > > off. I have a feeling, you are a kindred soul, in that sense -- > > indeed many individuals in this forum are ... > > > > RR > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > I wanted to study Michael Jackson's chart also. I found > > different > > > birth time at different places on internet. Finally I just gave > up. > > > It is hard to find correct birth time for celebraties sometimes. > I > > > had same problem with Bill Gates birth time also. Some > astrologers > > > are using Gemini others are using Cancer as his lagna. > > > > > > May I take this opportunity to ask you a quick question. I am > > doing > > > some research on Veda position of planets. What is your > experience > > > for Veda technique. Did you try to test it yourself? I always try > > to > > > test astrology rules before I use them because many things > > mentioned > > > in astrology books do not work in real life. I would appreciate > > your > > > thoughts on veda position. Do you think veda position creates > some > > > mild obstruction or the planet that is obstructed does not > deliver > > > good results at all. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > I went to the site that you cited, even read through > the "Peter's > > > > naughty astroreport" and weathered me old bones through > the "want > > > to > > > > meet me?" popups! Good thing, my 5th house was not very active > at > > > the > > > > moment ;-) > > > > > > > > I am not saying that all data on that site you quoted is > > > questionable > > > > or frivolous, though the popups really came close (pardon the > > pun! > > > I > > > > am still shaking!!). However, the *database* made no effort to > > > > comment on the source of the data or quality of it that they > are > > > > putting out. I am not saying that Rodden has nothing but the > most > > > > accurate, but at least they do make a serious attempt at > > > classifying > > > > data and giving information from which users may derive some > > > opinion. > > > > I would therefore have to go with the Rodden data in this case, > > > Singh > > > > Saheb! > > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out yet another trap that lies waiting for > > > > astrologers bent upon using celebrity data which are > questionable > > > at > > > > best! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > This is what I hate most about celebrity data being used to > > > > validate > > > > > > astrological principles. They come in so many different > > > flavours. > > > > > > PJ's data is given as 5 AM by Shelagh Kendal (a western > > > > astrologer) > > > > > as > > > > > > stated by Peter Jennings himself. It thus gets an 'A' > rating > > in > > > > > > Rodden's database. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your source for the noon hour birthtime? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > <Errata: Earlier post, now deleted showed the time as PM, > it > > > > should > > > > > > have been AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last > > month > > > > of > > > > > > > lungs cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord > > > venus > > > > in > > > > > > > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord > > > > mercury. > > > > > > > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and > 11th > > > > lord > > > > > > sun. > > > > > > > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's > > nakshatra, > > > > very > > > > > > > good for career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are > > > > > aspected > > > > > > by > > > > > > > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter > > > > > mahadasha, > > > > > > > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha > > Mars > > > > > > Bhukti. > > > > > > > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules > 7th > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of > > > > > diseases, > > > > > > > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect > lagna > > > lord > > > > > > > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also > > > > becomes > > > > > > > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So > He > > > > died > > > > > in > > > > > > > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month > of > > > > > august > > > > > > > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated > > the > > > > yoga > > > > > > > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth data > > > > > > > July 29, 1938 > > > > > > > 12:00 PM > > > > > > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , arjun pandit > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. > > however, > > > > > please > > > > > > > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to > disagree > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking > forward > > to > > > > > more > > > > > > > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in > good > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th > house. > > > Also > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age > of > > > 47. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV > Raman's > > > book > > > > > How > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He > > mentioned > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be > > through > > > > > > lottery. > > > > > > > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in > astrology > > > > also > > > > > > > > mentioned same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want > to > > > > time > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in > > > their > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 > > > house. > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's > > nakshatras. > > > > > That > > > > > > > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make > > > > predictions. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare > > people > > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one > > > from - > > > > > 100 > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started > > using > > > > > > > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in > > the > > > > > dark. > > > > > > > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If > you > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately > > change > > > it > > > > > to > > > > > > > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an > > > astrologer. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary > > people. > > > > > > Finally > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > decided to master this science myself and became > > astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest mistake which > > > astrologers > > > > > make > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling > of > > > > > > > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready > > for > > > > it. > > > > > > Over- > > > > > > > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder > attempts, > > > > > > sexually > > > > > > > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand > in > > > > hand. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being > > kept > > > > at > > > > > > bay > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best > > wishes > > > > are > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such > debates > > > are > > > > > good > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. > > Identify > > > > > them > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > > > astrology > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House > > (for > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People > > who > > > > > have > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing > > > very > > > > > well > > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he > has > > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn > matures > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my > > > case > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted > my > > > > death > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th > > lord > > > > > > > mercury's > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it > > > > aspects > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > seven > > > > > > > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many > people > > > > look > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > 28 at > > > > > > > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad > health > > > like > > > > > you > > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have > to > > > see > > > > a > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I > have > > > > > interest > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body > builder > > > > also. > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > 6'1" > > > > > > > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You > won't > > > > > believe > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl > > > that > > > > > she > > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will > > > definitely > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I > am > > > good > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury > > > venus > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness > > and > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with > all > > > > these > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is > > > saying > > > > > > > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants > spirituality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra > > the > > > > > ruler > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and > Ketu > > > > will > > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's > > crystal > > > > > pages > > > > > > > pdf > > > > > > > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In > order > > to > > > > > > > activate > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am > lucky > > > that > > > > > my > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of > > the > > > > 2nd > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all > > > these > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine > planets > > > had > > > > > > > aligned > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books > and > > > > even > > > > > in > > > > > > > > guiness > > > > > > > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to > feb > > > 13th > > > > > > 1962, > > > > > > > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had > > six, > > > > > seven > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > eight > > > > > > > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan > or > > > > > Haider > > > > > > > Ali? > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more > > > highly > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > people on this earth who do not have more than > three > > > > > planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, > including > > > > your > > > > > > > > lagnesh. > > > > > > > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has > given > > > you > > > > > > > > stubbornness > > > > > > > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu > and > > > > ketu > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > > > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh > > House > > > > (for > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is > difficult > > to > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make > > > mistakes. > > > > If > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz > > Khan > > > > > they > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in > > second > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > chengez > > > > > > > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The > > > > > > combustion > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not > work > > > > when > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > with 6 > > > > > > > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th > house. > > > > They > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive > > > > because > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good > > and > > > > > > extreme > > > > > > > > bad in > > > > > > > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love > > me > > > or > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > hate > > > > > > > > > me so > > > > > > > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my > raj > > > yoga > > > > > was > > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for > > last > > > > 18 > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 > > > > planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will > be > > > > > > different. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th > > > > house. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many > > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "dervish108" > > > > > > > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your > > > > > frustration. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have 7 > > > > > > > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going > > > similar > > > > > > > > > experiences. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many > things) > > is > > > > > there > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, > > that > > > > > makes > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > angry. > > > > > > > > > > > When I found out that there was a great > > relieve. > > > > Due > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers > > with > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any > > more, > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my > chart. > > > > That > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, > > the > > > > > > massage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I > > > don`t > > > > > know > > > > > > > > what we > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working > > hard > > > to > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of > > > that, > > > > go > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there > > then > > > > > D1. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th > > house > > > > > > > matters, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. > I > > > > think > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from > one`s > > > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > > > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. > I > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me > > > > sudden > > > > > > > > wealth. I > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars > > > exalted > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th > > > house > > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanistha > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give > > the > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > promised > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the > > sudden > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > > > > > > > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. > He > > > was > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second > > house > > > > and > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. > > Mars > > > > > ruler > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He > became > > > > king > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case > > > Mercury, > > > > > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a > > > > higher > > > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY > and > > > MARS > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in > > exalted > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > nakshatra, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a > > yogkaraka > > > > > planet > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > vattem > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya > > > > houses > > > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from > > > > houses > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama > bhava > > is > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > considerd > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the > > life > > > > and > > > > > > > > teaches > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as > > > > humanbeings > > > > > > > aspire > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and > > invlove > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > vicous > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama > > the > > > > > result > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > > > > > > > moksha.Attainment > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape > well > > > > > through > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result > > one > > > > > awauts > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to > > feel > > > > as > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe > these > > > > three > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > > > > > > > lagna,pancham > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development > houses > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > artha > > > > > > > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human > being.In > > > > these > > > > > > > > baiscs of > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion > > and > > > > > > welfare > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana > and > > > > > > > > vairagya.Then > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach > > > (seeking > > > > to > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e > > > moksha.here > > > > > one > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended > > > > instead > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > furthering > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into > > the > > > > > > vicious > > > > > > > > > cycles of > > > > > > > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as > in > > > that > > > > > > > > perspective > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think > > of > > > > some > > > > > > > > > attachments > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' > > and > > > > > > prosper > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The > > opportunity > > > > for > > > > > > > > > decrimination > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in > > > > dharha.These > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all > > > > depends > > > > > on > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming > > as > > > > some > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human > as > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey > > > > importance > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and > > > moderate > > > > > the > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > enable > > > > > > > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most > > essential > > > > to > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma > > and > > > > is > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all > > evils.we > > > > are > > > > > > > > serving > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically > to > > > > make > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the > > > patha > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs > > > > > accordingly > > > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to > > > > support > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity > > for > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > ealisation > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another > > approach > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of > > these > > > > > three > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, > > competition, > > > > > > > earning, > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit > > and > > > > the > > > > > > BIG > > > > > > > > SELF > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and > > the > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], > ahimsaa > > > [6] > > > > > and > > > > > > > > charity > > > > > > > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- > > one > > > > from > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they > are > > > not > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or > even > > to > > > > > take > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and > > new > > > > are > > > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in > a > > > > > chapter > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich > > and > > > > > > famous, > > > > > > > > > fertile > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > remedies, > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes > > are > > > > well > > > > > > > cared > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and > tantriks > > > are > > > > a > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path > > have > > > > > never > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the > > > eye! > > > > > The > > > > > > > poor > > > > > > > > > > wretched > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis) > karma > > is > > > > the > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to > be > > > > > elevated > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for > > > granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "John" > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in > a > > > > > seminar > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > attended > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain > > the > > > > > Trika > > > > > > > > Doshas > > > > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd > > > house, > > > > a > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the > 6th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the > 11th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya > > > > houses, > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > > > > > > > predispositions > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to > address > > > the > > > > > > doshas > > > > > > > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "Rohini > > > > > > > > (Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence > > > > > about 'growth'. > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth > in > > > the > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > plane > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in > > the > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one > > away > > > > from > > > > > > > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed > on > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of > > > scriptural > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder > would > > > > care > > > > > > > about, > > > > > > > > > jobs, > > > > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and > > there > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few > stanzas > > on > > > > > > ascetic > > > > > > > > yogas > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been > > spawned > > > > into > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar > religious/spiritual > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, > > > still > > > > > > holds > > > > > > > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite > > > > > healthily > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually > used > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > efficiently > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was > > > > > > predominantly > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. > > Though > > > > > some > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, > > > > devotional, > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of > > God, > > > > the > > > > > > > Sages > > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: > > Someone > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > shlokas > > > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, > > vol.2, > > > > > > > 1995/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not > > > discuss > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible > that > > > the > > > > > > > > distorted > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not > bear > > > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and > > > then > > > > > how > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently > > indicated > > > > > that > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri > > (Systems > > > > > > > Approach) > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago > > and > > > > > since > > > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly > > > repetitive > > > > > beat > > > > > > > > <sorry > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you > > ask, > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, > some > > if > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > lucky -- > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best > thing > > is > > > > to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer > > now > > > > that > > > > > > > > databases > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality are available like > > astrodatabank > > > > for > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, > poor, > > > > > middle - > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, > > > > during > > > > > > > > dashas, > > > > > > > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are > not > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I > > say > > > or > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment > yourself > > > and > > > > > if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > great! > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing > > better, > > > > > > anyway! > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe > > it > > > > will > > > > > > > > motivate > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think > > > > astrology > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the > > real > > > > life > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > describes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like > life > > > and > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > describes > > > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I > > > suspect > > > > my > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the > > > > Lordship > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Eleventh > > > > > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the > > > > placement > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good > > placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship > > considered > > > > > > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > > > > > or 'bad'? 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Dear Arjun ji, Thank you very much for your comments. Regards G. Singh , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friend gurmeet ji > > having seen your talent in the other groups earlier, i am encouraging you to channelise your knowledge in the positive direction. you have done good analysis of the chart, though posthumously. for you to hone your skills further, you shall analyse and predict the questions raised in the group FOR FUTURE. i wish you all the best in this venture. > > 28th star abhijeet is no new discovery. it finds its mention in most astrology books, both vedic and medevial. you can use either way and no wrong with it. > > just tread on the path of astrology in predictions for few months, you yourself would stand on the right path. besides books, experience would prove to be a better guru. > > with best wishes > arjun > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Arjun ji, > > I am sending you one analysis. This person died last month of > lungs cancer. > > Peter Jennings was a libra ascendant with ascendant lord venus in > 11th house with 10th house lord moon and 9th house lord mercury. > There is exchange of houses between 10th lord moon and 11th lord sun. > The 10th house lord moon is in lagna lord venus's nakshatra, very > good for career. > > The 11th house planets including the lagna lord Venus are aspected by > 6th house lord jupiter which indicates health problems in jupiter > mahadasha. His health problems started early in Jupiter mahadasha, > but he was diagnosed with cancer during Jupiter mahdasha Mars Bhukti. > Mars is a maraka planet for libra ascendant as it rules 7th house and > 2nd house. Also Mars is debilitated in rashi chart and placed in the > nakshatra of saturn and saturn is placed in 6th house of diseases, > Jupiter again rules 6th house of diseases and aspect lagna lord > venus. Also Jupiter and rahu are placed in each other's nakshatra. > Jupiter is in his own sign in navamsa chart. Jupiter also becomes > wealth giving and maraka planet for this chart as it is placed in > the rahu's nakshatra, and rahu being in the 2nd house.So He died in > Jupiter/Rahu/Rahu period on august 7, 2005. In the month of august > jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu, and it activated the yoga > between jupiter and rahu being in each other's nakshatra. > > > Birth data > July 29, 1938 > 12:00 PM > Toronto, Canada > > > G. Singh , arjun pandit > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > dear friend gurmeet ji > > > > good to see you sharing your enriched knoweldge. however, please > note that all the learnt fraternity here agree to disagree and also > disagree to agree. no strong sentiments. looking forward to more > NEW knolwedge sharing information from you. > > > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu > is > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This > is > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How > to > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery. > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also > > mentioned same thing. > > > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time > events > > and see transits I consider moon sign. > > > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That > > makes them killer and criminal. > > > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 > to > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%. > > > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark. > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not > and > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This > is > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally > I > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > The biggest mistake which astrologers make > is > > to give preference to moon than lagna. > > > > > > As I said, ketu has given you the feeling of > > incinvibility. When ketu stikes, you will not be ready for it. Over- > > confidence is a gift of ketu. Accidents, murder attempts, sexually > > transmitted diseases, etc are some of ketu's negative results. > > > > > > Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. In > > your case, only knowledge is with you, wisdom is being kept at bay > by > > ketu. > > > > > > This is my last reply to you. All my best wishes are > with > > you. > > > > > > I really enjoyed this shastratha. Such debates are good > for > > the spread of astrological knowledge. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > P.S: Behind all arrogance lie deep rooted fears. Identify them > and > > be at peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 12:52 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh > > > > > > I know few people who have this combination. People who have > this > > > combination in 2nd, 5th, 9th, 11th houses are doing very well > > some of > > > them are already millionaires. I know one guy, he has this > > > combination in 12th house and he is millionaire. > > > > > > These planets are in capricorn, and saturn matures at the > age > > of > > > 36. They will show their effect after age 36. In my case I had > to > > go > > > through rahu mahadasa. Many astrologers predicted my death also > > as > > > rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and is in 7th lord > mercury's > > > nakshatra. Rahu is a maraka planet for me. Also it aspects all > > seven > > > planets so it effected everything in my life. > > > > > > I am 43 years old right now. Find out how many people look like > > 28 at > > > the age of 43. Some astrologers predicted bad health like you > > did. > > > Other astrologers predicted I may never even have to see a > doctor > > in > > > my lifetime. They predicted excellent health. I have interest > in > > > martial arts, wrestling, boxing. I am a body builder also. I am > > 6'1" > > > tall and weigh 210 lbs with 10 % body fat. You won't believe > just > > > this evening I have been told by a 25 year old girl that she > > can't > > > beleive I am 43, and she wants to date me. > > > > > > I don't know about other people. But you will definitely > remember > > me > > > one day. My 7 planets are with ketu that is why I am good > looking > > and > > > handsome. Ketu with three benefics jupiter, mercury venus gave > me > > > good looks. Mars gave me good health, youthfulness and physical > > > stamina. The lord of 7th house in 11th house with all these > > planets > > > gave me all these good looking women. And arjun is saying > > > spirituality again and again. Who wants spirituality? > > > > > > Jupiter ketu Mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra the ruler of > > 2nd > > > and 9th house in 11th house. Jupiter Mercury and Ketu will > > activate > > > Mars in my chart. You can read Rohini Ranjan's crystal pages > pdf > > > file. This is what he mentioned over there. In order to > activate > > mars > > > you need other planets in mars nakshatra. I am lucky that my > > lagna > > > lord is in the best nakshatra, in the nakshatra of the 2nd lord > > > exalted in 11th house. I also have sunapha yoga all these > planets > > are > > > in 2nd house from moon. > > > > > > We will continue from here next time .... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G. Singh, > > > > > > > > In Jan 1962, all nine planets had > aligned > > and > > > that event is even recorded in astronomical books and even in > > guiness > > > book of world records. From January 15th 1962 to feb 13th 1962, > > > everyone who was born on this earth must have had six, seven or > > eight > > > planets in one house. They are all 43 years old now. > > > > > > > > How many of them have become Gengiz Khan or Haider > Ali? > > How > > > many of them are ruling the world? There are more highly > > successful > > > people on this earth who do not have more than three planets in > > one > > > house. > > > > > > > > Your seven planets are with ketu, including your > > lagnesh. > > > Ketu is affecting you more than rahu. Ketu has given you > > stubbornness > > > and a sense of invincibility. Remember, both rahu and ketu take > > one > > > away from reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Monday, 26 September, 2005 21:30 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to > determine > > the > > > net > > > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you > > go > > > back > > > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they > also > > had > > > 7 > > > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, > > > chengez > > > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion > > did > > > not > > > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun > is > > > with 6 > > > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give > > you > > > high > > > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because > mars > > is > > > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme > > bad in > > > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they > > hate > > > me so > > > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was > > delayed > > > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 > years. > > > Rahu is > > > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in > > 11th > > > house. > > > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. > I > > > came > > > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The > > person > > > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I > > have 7 > > > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar > > > experiences. > > > > The > > > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there > due > > to > > > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us > > > angry. > > > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with > successful > > > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am > > trying to > > > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is > the > > > nature > > > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage > is > > > very > > > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know > > what we > > > > have > > > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find > > out. > > > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to > > the > > > sub > > > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. > You > > > should > > > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house > matters, > > you > > > have > > > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think > that > > is > > > the > > > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > > told > > > by > > > > > many > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > > wealth. I > > > > > myself > > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > > 11th > > > > > house. > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > Dhanistha > > > in > > > > > Mars > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > > promised > > > > > by > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > > could > > > come > > > > > when > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > period > > > > or > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > > couple > > > of > > > > > days > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and > moon > > in > > > 11th > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > > Mercury > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > > 5th > > > house > > > > > and > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > > Jupiter, > > > and > > > > > Mars > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > > play > > > > > important > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > > nakshatra, > > > > > and > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet > for > > my > > > > > chart. I > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > krishnan > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > > contain > > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses > having > > > > > doshas.May > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > > considerd > > > > as > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > > teaches > > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings > aspire > > > than > > > > get > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > > vicous > > > > cycle > > > > > of > > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > > will be > > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > moksha.Attainment > > of > > > > Moksha > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through > the > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts > is > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > something > > > lost > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three > houses > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > lagna,pancham > > and > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so > also > > > artha > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > > baiscs of > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare > to > > > shape > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > vairagya.Then > > > we > > > > > need > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to > gain > > is > > > > > kama),one > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one > has > > > time to > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > > furthering > > > > > his > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > > cycles of > > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > perspective > > > of > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > attachments > > > > > and > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper > in > > the > > > > > manner > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > decrimination > > > > > to > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These > houses > > too > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on > our > > > poorva > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some > thing > > of > > > the > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > > of > > > > various > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the > life > > and > > > > > enable > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > > is > > > moksha > > > > > but > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > > meant > > > for > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > > serving > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > > human > > > > > beings > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha > through > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > > promote > > > > what > > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > > native > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > > ealisation > > > > > and > > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > > to > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > > and > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > > being > > > bad > > > > > makes > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > earning, > > each > > > of > > > > > > which > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > > SELF > > > > where > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > spiritual > > > > position > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > > charity > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from > which > > > most > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not > looking > > for > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take > that > > > stance. > > > > > In > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > > merely > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > > half > > > and > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > > fertile > > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > remedies, > > > some > > > > > of > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well > cared > > for > > > and > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > > recent > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never > and > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The > poor > > > > wretched > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > > who > > > will > > > > > seek > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated > to > > the > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > <jr_esq> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > > I've > > > > > attended > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > > Doshas > > > (or > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a > house > > of > > > > > desires, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, > humans > > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > predispositions > > > through > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > (Crystal > > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. > Some > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the > worldly > > > plane > > > > > that > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > > realm > > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > *spiritual* > > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > > astrology > > > is > > > > > about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care > about, > > > jobs, > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a > bit > > of > > > > dharma > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > > yogas > > > and > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > remedies > > > and > > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily > to > > some > > > > > extent > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > efficiently > > > > for > > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > > and > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some > have > > > really > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > spiritual > > > > > mileage > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the > Sages > > > etc.? > > > > > Being > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > > explain > > > > the > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > > shlokas > > > (e.g., > > > > > 24- > > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > 1995/1997 > > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > > with > > > their > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > > distorted > > > > version > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > resemblance > > to > > > the > > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how > much > > of > > > what > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > > but it > > > is > > > > > wise > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that > for > > > worldly > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > Approach) > > has > > > > very > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > > <sorry > > > here > > > > > I > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > > going > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > > lucky -- > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > > the > > > time > > > > > and > > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > databases > > > of > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > instance) > > > from > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle - - > > and > > > see > > > > > how > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > > dashas, > > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > > work > > > out > > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > > or > > > > someone > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > > works > > > > > great! > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > > And > > > if > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > motivate > > > to > > > > > move > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > > and > > > you > > > > > may > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > > describes, > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > > it > > > > > describes > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > > initial > > > query > > > > > was > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > > Eleventh > > > > > House > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > > any > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > inauspicious > > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > > other.. > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > > RELISH > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Terms of > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- -- > -- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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