Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for g.singh, Rohini and all)

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mr g. singh i have a questin for u my venus is combusted with saturn in 4 th

house will i have any health problems and mars retro in 10 house carrer wise

stagnent can u analise my chart please d/b,,15 th march 1965 time 0015 AM

hyderabad ap india thanks in advance hope u help me out takecare raj.k

 

hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote: I know it is difficult, but I know

my chart so well because I studied

my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have

any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I

spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques.

The reason I did not have health problems is that

 

1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty.

 

2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd

and 9th house.

 

3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house

and placed in 10th house.

 

4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed

in 6th lord sun's nakshatra.

 

5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house.

 

6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon

are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money.

 

You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars

is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall

happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha.

 

You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's

mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in

navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn

mahadasha will be very difficult.

 

Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets

will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47

years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at

25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon.

 

I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional

astrologer.

 

If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If

I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga.

 

I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my

chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu

mahdasha very gracefully.

I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have

written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart.

 

I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say

why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies.

 

 

G. Singh

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear G.Singh,

>

> It is very difficult for an astrologer to

correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are

totally negative or totally positive.

>

> You haven't had any health problems because till now you

have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this

age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you

should be careful.

>

> Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust

has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be

beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost

which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a

concern.

>

> I am a practising professional astrologer with more

practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth

detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their

dasha.

>

> 11-jul-1963

> 11.15am

> Delhi

> India

> 28N39 77E13

>

> This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period,

had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as

mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and

today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord

and in its on sign too but is combust.

>

> Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to

accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for

them beforehand instead of denying them completely.

>

> I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including

astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed

in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your

decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu.

>

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> hbk1hbk_2100

>

> Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54

> Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

and all)

>

>

> I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart,

even

> very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions

for

> me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together

> combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th

house

> with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be

spending my

> time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun

so

> it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes.

>

> But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like

30. I

> have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in

my

> life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers

learn

> from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs

> practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge.

> Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work

in

> real life.

>

> I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for

a

> bigger windfall.

> You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how

the

> planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is

just

> wasting time in astrology field.

>

> G. Singh

>

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear G.Singh,

> >

> > I have observed lots of people who were

born

> in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some

of

> them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all

> zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all

the

> riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that

out of

> these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those

which

> are not combust have given them the good results. The combust

ones

> will also show their negative effects.

> >

> > It all depends whether the functional benefics are

combust

> or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of

> negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga.

> >

> > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime

> importance to the strength of planets according to their

placement in

> natal chart and other divisional charts.

> >

> > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not

call

> his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince

and a

> prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a

common

> man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When

Bill

> gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called

a

> beneficial gain or rajyoga.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > hbk1hbk_2100

> >

> > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42

> > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini

> and all)

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house

is

> in

> > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In

order

> to

> > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I

have

> > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu

mercury

> will

> > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis.

This

> is

> > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You

can

> ask

> > rohini ji for their opinion.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> >

> >

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > Dear G.Singh,

> > >

> > > Out of these seven planets, only two

are

> > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for

> Jupiter-

> > saturn dasha. It will make you rich.

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > >

> > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40

> > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini

> > and all)

> > >

> > >

> > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > >

> > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been

told

> by

> > many

> > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden

wealth. I

> > myself

> > > know astrology very well.

> > >

> > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the

11th

> > house.

> > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

Dhanistha

> in

> > Mars

> > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> promised

> > by

> > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth

could

> come

> > when

> > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

> period

> > or

> > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > >

> > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

couple

> of

> > days

> > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon

in

> 11th

> > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

> Mercury

> > in

> > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of

5th

> house

> > and

> > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury,

Jupiter,

> and

> > Mars

> > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> > >

> > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will

play

> > important

> > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

> nakshatra,

> > and

> > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for

my

> > chart. I

> > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other

memebers.

> > >

> > > My birth data is given below:

> > >

> > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > 10:03 AM

> > > Ludhiana, India

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses

contain

> > doshas?"is

> > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> > doshas.May

> > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

> considerd

> > as

> > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and

teaches

> what

> > we

> > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

> than

> > get

> > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the

vicous

> > cycle of

> > > births and deaths.

> > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result

will be

> > that we

> > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment

of

> > Moksha

> > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as

something

> lost

> > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> > (2nd,6th

> > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham

and

> > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

> artha

> > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these

baiscs of

> > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

> shape

> > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and

vairagya.Then

> we

> > need

> > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain

is

> > kama),one

> > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

> time to

> > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> furthering

> > his

> > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

> cycles of

> > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

perspective

> of

> > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

> attachments

> > and

> > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in

the

> > manner

> > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> decrimination

> > to

> > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses

too

> may

> > be

> > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

> poorva

> > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing

of

> the

> > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance

of

> > various

> > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > Astrology,the

> > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life

and

> > enable

> > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life

is

> moksha

> > but

> > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

meant

> for

> > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are

serving

> to

> > the

> > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all

human

> > beings

> > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

promote

> > what

> > > the native intends.

> > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

native

> > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

> ealisation

> > and

> > > correct path.

> > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed

to

> the

> > same

> > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness.

and

> > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three

being

> bad

> > makes

> > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning,

each

> of

> > > which

> > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG

SELF

> > where

> > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> > position

> > > too.

> > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and

charity

> [11].

> > > >

> > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

> most

> > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking

for

> > > astrology

> > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

> stance.

> > In

> > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are

merely

> > mentioning

> > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or

half

> and

> > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

> fertile

> > and

> > > so

> > > > on in the charts!

> > > >

> > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the

remedies,

> some

> > of

> > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared

for

> and

> > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

> recent

> > > addition

> > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > >

> > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and

will

> > never

> > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> > wretched

> > > soul

> > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one

who

> will

> > seek

> > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to

the

> > > spiritual

> > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > >

> > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "John"

> <jr_esq>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar

I've

> > attended

> > > in

> > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika

Doshas

> (or

> > > three

> > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house

of

> > desires,

> > > > and

> > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

> house

> > > > signifying

> > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

> house

> > > > signifying

> > > > > greed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

> have

> > the

> > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

> through

> > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > respectively.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Rohini

(Crystal

> > Pages)"

> > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> > individuals

> > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

> plane

> > that

> > > is.

> > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly

realm

> and

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

> *spiritual*

> > > growth

> > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the

time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural

astrology

> is

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

> jobs,

> > > money,

> > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit

of

> > dharma

> > > > stuff

> > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

yogas

> and

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into

remedies

> and

> > > ishta

> > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds

true!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to

some

> > extent

> > > I

> > > > > say,

> > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

> efficiently

> > for

> > > > > worldly

> > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly

and

> > perhaps

> > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

> really

> > > worked

> > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional,

spiritual

> > mileage

> > > > out

> > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

> etc.?

> > Being

> > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

> explain

> > the

> > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the

shlokas

> (e.g.,

> > 24-

> > > > 31)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> > edition). I

> > > > > truly

> > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that

with

> their

> > > > female

> > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the

distorted

> > version

> > > that

> > > > > we

> > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance

to

> the

> > > > > originally

> > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much

of

> what

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible

but it

> is

> > wise

> > > > to

> > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

> worldly

> > > > things,

> > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach)

has

> > very

> > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since

then.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat

<sorry

> here

> > I

> > > go

> > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

going

> to

> > get

> > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

> lucky --

> > with

> > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take

the

> time

> > and

> > > > pick

> > > > > a

> > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

databases

> of

> > good

> > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for

instance)

> from

> > > > > different

> > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle --

and

> see

> > how

> > > the

> > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during

dashas,

> > transits,

> > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to

work

> out

> > > > verbatim

> > > > > in

> > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write

or

> > someone

> > > else

> > > > > for

> > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

works

> > great!

> > > If

> > > > > it

> > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway!

And

> if

> > doubt

> > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will

motivate

> to

> > move

> > > > > beyond

> > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is,

and

> you

> > may

> > > > even

> > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> describes,

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since

it

> > describes

> > > > real

> > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my

initial

> query

> > was

> > > a

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

> Eleventh

> > House

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of

any

> > planet,

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered

inauspicious

> > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> spiritual

> > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

other..

> > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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