Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 dear friend gurmeet singh hope you remember my readings of your chart last year in the lalkitab group and the thread which lasted for a month. i still stick to my old reading that you would reach higher planes on spirituality as written in your chart instead of wealth and waiting for the planetary combinations to give you wealth. with best wishes on spirituality front arjun hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote: When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6 other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house. So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. Regards G. Singh , "dervish108" <dervish108> wrote: > > Dear G Singh > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > All the best > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > many > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > myself > > know astrology very well. > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > house. > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > Mars > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > by > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > when > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > days > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > and > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > Mars > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > important > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > and > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > chart. I > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > 10:03 AM > > Ludhiana, India > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > doshas?"is > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > doshas.May > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle > of > > births and deaths. > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that > we > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses (2nd,6th > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > need > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > kama),one > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > his > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > janma and mrityu. > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > and > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > manner > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > to > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > be > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > Astrology,the > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > enable > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > but > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the > > cause of Astrology. > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > beings > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what > > the native intends. > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > and > > correct path. > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > same > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > krishnan > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > makes > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > which > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position > > too. > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > astrology > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > In > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > mentioning > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > and > > so > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > of > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > addition > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > never > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched > > soul > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > seek > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > spiritual > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > attended > > in > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > three > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > desires, > > > and > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > signifying > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > respectively. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > Pages)" > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > individuals > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > that > > is. > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > that > > > is > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > growth > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > about > > > the > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > money, > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma > > > stuff > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > spiritual > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > ishta > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > extent > > I > > > > say, > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for > > > > worldly > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > perhaps > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > worked > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > mileage > > > out > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > Being > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > 24- > > > 31) > > > > in > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > edition). I > > > > truly > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > female > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version > > that > > > > we > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > originally > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > we > > > have > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > wise > > > to > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > things, > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > I > > go > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > get > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > with > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > and > > > pick > > > > a > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > good > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > different > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > how > > the > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > transits, > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > verbatim > > > > in > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone > > else > > > > for > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > great! > > If > > > > it > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > doubt > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > move > > > > beyond > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > may > > > even > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > astrology > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > describes > > > real > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > House > > > > makes > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, > > > > whether > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > or 'bad'? > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Arjun ji, Thanks for your comments. I have no interest in spirituality at all. I am very worldly and materialistic person. May be in saturn's mahadasha i will become spiritual. I doubt if it will happen in jupiter mahadasha. Regards G. Singh , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friend gurmeet singh > > hope you remember my readings of your chart last year in the lalkitab group and the thread which lasted for a month. > > i still stick to my old reading that you would reach higher planes on spirituality as written in your chart instead of wealth and waiting for the planetary combinations to give you wealth. > > with best wishes on spirituality front > arjun > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6 > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house. > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > , "dervish108" > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. > The > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we > have > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > All the best > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle > > of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that > > we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 dear friend gurmeet ji the only reason for my predicting your spirituality is because you have already witnessed raja yogas and lived like a king already. anyway i do not like a further longer thread on this subject and putting a stop here. your keen interest and gaining of vast knowledge in astrology can be made good use, if you start answering the queries in the group for few months. wishing you all the best in your pursuits arjun hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote: Dear Arjun ji, Thanks for your comments. I have no interest in spirituality at all. I am very worldly and materialistic person. May be in saturn's mahadasha i will become spiritual. I doubt if it will happen in jupiter mahadasha. Regards G. Singh , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friend gurmeet singh > > hope you remember my readings of your chart last year in the lalkitab group and the thread which lasted for a month. > > i still stick to my old reading that you would reach higher planes on spirituality as written in your chart instead of wealth and waiting for the planetary combinations to give you wealth. > > with best wishes on spirituality front > arjun > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6 > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house. > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > , "dervish108" > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. > The > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we > have > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > All the best > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > cycle > > of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > that > > we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I have many unique interests you won't believe. , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > dear friend gurmeet ji > > the only reason for my predicting your spirituality is because you have already witnessed raja yogas and lived like a king already. anyway i do not like a further longer thread on this subject and putting a stop here. > > your keen interest and gaining of vast knowledge in astrology can be made good use, if you start answering the queries in the group for few months. > > wishing you all the best in your pursuits > arjun > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Dear Arjun ji, > > Thanks for your comments. I have no interest in spirituality at > all. I am very worldly and materialistic person. May be in saturn's > mahadasha i will become spiritual. I doubt if it will happen in > jupiter mahadasha. > > Regards > > G. Singh > > , arjun pandit > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > dear friend gurmeet singh > > > > hope you remember my readings of your chart last year in the > lalkitab group and the thread which lasted for a month. > > > > i still stick to my old reading that you would reach higher planes > on spirituality as written in your chart instead of wealth and > waiting for the planetary combinations to give you wealth. > > > > with best wishes on spirituality front > > arjun > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the > net > > effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back > > and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7 > > planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez > > khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not > > work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with > 6 > > other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you > high > > ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is > > exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in > > life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me > so > > much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed > > because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu > is > > in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th > house. > > So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets. > > > > In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came > > acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person > > spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > , "dervish108" > > <dervish108> wrote: > > > > > > Dear G Singh > > > > > > > > > It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7 > > > planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. > > The > > > potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to > > > combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry. > > > When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to > > > complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful > > > predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to > > > learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the > nature > > > of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very > > > clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we > > have > > > done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out. > > > My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub > > > charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should > > > concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you > have > > > strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the > > > greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Naci Gulsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle > > > of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that > > > we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time > to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles > of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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