Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 People always want to know if they have any rajyogas to earn wealth on large scale in their charts. I did some research on this topic by studying the charts of three billionaires, and came to the following conclusion. CASE I I was studying horoscope of Michael Milken who earned 550 million dollars in jupiter's mahadasha. He is cancer ascendant and natal mars ruler of 5th and 10th house in 2nd house in leo. His natal jupiter is in virgo in third house placed in chitra, the mars nakshatra. So jupiter mahadasha gave him the fruits promised by mars, a functional benefic planet placed in the 2nd house of wealth. Jupiter made him billionaire even though it was placed in virgo, in enemy sign. I am sending you his birth details for your analysis. Michael MILKEN , born on July 4, 1946 with 07h31 in Los Angeles (CA) (the United States) CASE II Same thing I observed in bill gates chart. He has 9th house lord jupiter placed in 2nd house of wealth. Then he has both saturn and venus placed in libra in jupiter's nakshatra. So venus mahadasha gave him the results promised by 9th house lord jupiter in the 2nd house of wealth. CASE III Third chart I studied is of king abdullah of Jordon. His chart is very similar to mine as he is born couple of days before me. He became king in MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. His lagna lord is also jupiter debilitated in 2nd house with all other planets. He has exalted Mars in 2nd house and then both Jupiter and Mercury placed in Dhanistha, the Mars nakshatra. So he did very well in Mercury mahadasha and became king. King abdullah of jordan jan 30, 1962 5:23 AM amman jordan 31 N 57 35 E 56 2 hours east So we can say if we see an exalted or strong functional benefic planet placed in 2nd house from lagna or moon in any chart, then if you have another functional benefic planet placed in the nakshatra of the first functional benefic planet, it will definitely give wealth and rajyoga in its mahadasha. Now we can understand how important nakshatras are, and most of the people in astrology business sometimes completely ignore nakshatras while making predictions. Regards G. Singh , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, even > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions for > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending my > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. I > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers learn > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in > real life. > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a > bigger windfall. > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how the > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just > wasting time in astrology field. > > G. Singh > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones > will also show their negative effects. > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > in > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order > to > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > will > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This > is > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > ask > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > Jupiter- > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > astrology > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Dear G.Singh, Bill Gates has a gemini ascendent with mercury-mars in fourth and venus-saturn-sun in fifth house. Ashutosh - hbk1hbk_2100 Sunday, 25 September, 2005 11:13 My comments on billionaires charts People always want to know if they have any rajyogas to earn wealth on large scale in their charts. I did some research on this topic by studying the charts of three billionaires, and came to the following conclusion. CASE I I was studying horoscope of Michael Milken who earned 550 million dollars in jupiter's mahadasha. He is cancer ascendant and natal mars ruler of 5th and 10th house in 2nd house in leo. His natal jupiter is in virgo in third house placed in chitra, the mars nakshatra. So jupiter mahadasha gave him the fruits promised by mars, a functional benefic planet placed in the 2nd house of wealth. Jupiter made him billionaire even though it was placed in virgo, in enemy sign. I am sending you his birth details for your analysis. Michael MILKEN , born on July 4, 1946 with 07h31 in Los Angeles (CA) (the United States) CASE II Same thing I observed in bill gates chart. He has 9th house lord jupiter placed in 2nd house of wealth. Then he has both saturn and venus placed in libra in jupiter's nakshatra. So venus mahadasha gave him the results promised by 9th house lord jupiter in the 2nd house of wealth. CASE III Third chart I studied is of king abdullah of Jordon. His chart is very similar to mine as he is born couple of days before me. He became king in MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. His lagna lord is also jupiter debilitated in 2nd house with all other planets. He has exalted Mars in 2nd house and then both Jupiter and Mercury placed in Dhanistha, the Mars nakshatra. So he did very well in Mercury mahadasha and became king. King abdullah of jordan jan 30, 1962 5:23 AM amman jordan 31 N 57 35 E 56 2 hours east So we can say if we see an exalted or strong functional benefic planet placed in 2nd house from lagna or moon in any chart, then if you have another functional benefic planet placed in the nakshatra of the first functional benefic planet, it will definitely give wealth and rajyoga in its mahadasha. Now we can understand how important nakshatras are, and most of the people in astrology business sometimes completely ignore nakshatras while making predictions. Regards G. Singh , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, even > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions for > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending my > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. I > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers learn > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in > real life. > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a > bigger windfall. > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how the > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just > wasting time in astrology field. > > G. Singh > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all the > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out of > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones > will also show their negative effects. > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement in > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When Bill > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > in > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In order > to > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > will > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. This > is > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > ask > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > Regards > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > Jupiter- > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told > by > > many > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I > > myself > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th > > house. > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha > in > > Mars > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > promised > > by > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > come > > when > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > period > > or > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple > of > > days > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > 11th > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > Mercury > > in > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > house > > and > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > and > > Mars > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > important > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > nakshatra, > > and > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my > > chart. I > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers. > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > 10:03 AM > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > doshas?"is > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > doshas.May > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > considerd > > as > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > what > > we > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > than > > get > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous > > cycle of > > > births and deaths. > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be > > that we > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > Moksha > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something > lost > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > (2nd,6th > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > artha > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > shape > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > we > > need > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > kama),one > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > time to > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > furthering > > his > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > cycles of > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective > of > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > attachments > > and > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the > > manner > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > decrimination > > to > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too > may > > be > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > poorva > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of > the > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > various > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > Astrology,the > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and > > enable > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > moksha > > but > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant > for > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > to > > the > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human > > beings > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote > > what > > > the native intends. > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > ealisation > > and > > > correct path. > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > the > > same > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > bad > > makes > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each > of > > > which > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF > > where > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > position > > > too. > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity > [11]. > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > most > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for > > > astrology > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > stance. > > In > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > mentioning > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half > and > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > fertile > > and > > > so > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, > some > > of > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for > and > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > recent > > > addition > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will > > never > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > wretched > > > soul > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > will > > seek > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the > > > spiritual > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > <jr_esq> > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > attended > > > in > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas > (or > > > three > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > desires, > > > > and > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > house > > > > signifying > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > have > > the > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > through > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal > > Pages)" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > individuals > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > plane > > that > > > is. > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm > and > > that > > > > is > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > *spiritual* > > > growth > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > is > > about > > > > the > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > jobs, > > > money, > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > dharma > > > > stuff > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas > and > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies > and > > > ishta > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some > > extent > > > I > > > > > say, > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > efficiently > > for > > > > > worldly > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > perhaps > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > really > > > worked > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual > > mileage > > > > out > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > etc.? > > Being > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > explain > > the > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > (e.g., > > 24- > > > > 31) > > > > > in > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > edition). I > > > > > truly > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > their > > > > female > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > version > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > the > > > > > originally > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of > what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it > is > > wise > > > > to > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > worldly > > > > things, > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has > > very > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry > here > > I > > > go > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going > to > > get > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > lucky -- > > with > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > time > > and > > > > pick > > > > > a > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases > of > > good > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) > from > > > > > different > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > see > > how > > > the > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > transits, > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > out > > > > verbatim > > > > > in > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > someone > > > else > > > > > for > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works > > great! > > > If > > > > > it > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > if > > doubt > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate > to > > move > > > > > beyond > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > you > > may > > > > even > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > describes, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > describes > > > > real > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > query > > was > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > Eleventh > > House > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > planet, > > > > > whether > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > spiritual > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic > > astrology > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 I know people have different birth times for bill gates. He is born when lagna was changing from gemini to cancer. Some people use gemini and they try to justify that saturn, venus, sun are aspecting 11th house that is why he is rich. Some people use cancer as his lagna. I got his birth data from the following website. http://www.astrolreport.com/celeb-m.htm GSingh , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear G.Singh, > > Bill Gates has a gemini ascendent with mercury- mars in fourth and venus-saturn-sun in fifth house. > > > Ashutosh > > > - > hbk1hbk_2100 > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 11:13 > My comments on billionaires charts > > > > > > People always want to know if they have any rajyogas to earn wealth > on large scale in their charts. I did some research on this topic by > studying the charts of three billionaires, and came to the following > conclusion. > > CASE I > > I was studying horoscope of Michael Milken who earned 550 million > dollars in jupiter's mahadasha. > > He is cancer ascendant and natal mars ruler of 5th and 10th house in > 2nd house in leo. His natal jupiter is in virgo in third house placed > in chitra, the mars nakshatra. So jupiter mahadasha gave him the > fruits promised by mars, a functional benefic planet placed in the > 2nd house of wealth. Jupiter made him billionaire even though it was > placed in virgo, in enemy sign. I am sending you his birth details > for your analysis. > > Michael MILKEN , > born on July 4, 1946 with 07h31 in Los Angeles (CA) (the United > States) > > > CASE II > > Same thing I observed in bill gates chart. He has 9th house lord > jupiter placed in 2nd house of wealth. Then he has both saturn and > venus placed in libra in jupiter's nakshatra. So venus mahadasha gave > him the results promised by 9th house lord jupiter in the 2nd house > of wealth. > > > CASE III > Third chart I studied is of king abdullah of Jordon. His chart is > very similar to mine as he is born couple of days before me. He > became king in MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. His lagna lord is also > jupiter debilitated in 2nd house with all other planets. > > He has exalted Mars in 2nd house and then both Jupiter and Mercury > placed in Dhanistha, the Mars nakshatra. So he did very well in > Mercury mahadasha and became king. > > King abdullah of jordan > > jan 30, 1962 5:23 AM amman jordan 31 N 57 35 E 56 2 hours east > > So we can say if we see an exalted or strong functional benefic > planet placed in 2nd house from lagna or moon in any chart, then if > you have another functional benefic planet placed in the nakshatra of > the first functional benefic planet, it will definitely give wealth > and rajyoga in its mahadasha. > > Now we can understand how important nakshatras are, and most of the > people in astrology business sometimes completely ignore nakshatras > while making predictions. > > > Regards > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, > even > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions > for > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th house > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be spending > my > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun so > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like 30. > I > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in my > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > learn > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work in > > real life. > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for a > > bigger windfall. > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how > the > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is just > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that out > of > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those which > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust ones > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their placement > in > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and > a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called a > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order > > to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This > > is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. > I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will > be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs > of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but > it > > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ---- > -- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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