re:-- Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

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dear all

 

in the natural zodiac...11th lord in 7th gets exalted... as said by

John....Greed .........but if saturn is exalted it makes person

*saintly*....i dont know abt sun as 11th lord in 7th for libra

ascendant.....but as in both cases....11th lord is exalted in 7th house.

 

Thanks

 

Tarun.

 

>Message: 17

> Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:50:37 -0700 (PDT)

> vattem krishnan <bursar_99

>Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

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>dear John,Rohini and all,

>

>The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is to make a

distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May be house like 3rd

which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as dosha bahva?Infact Astrology

balances the life and teaches what we have to promote and what we have to as

humanbeings aspire than get attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in

the vicous cycle of births and deaths.

>If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we are trying

to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha will be in reach if we

are able to shape well through the Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result

one awauts is moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost

> .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th and 11th) are

next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and navam.All these houses are

development houses and so also artha houses giving a benifit to the human

being.In these baiscs of Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare

to shape ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need to

evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one has to

proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to to''review and get

satisfied and contended instead of furthering his artha and kama bhavas that

leads again into the vicious cycles of janma and mrityu.

>whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of worldly pleasues

,the life will be to think of some attachments and for deriving benifits out of

these 'links' and prosper in the manner the dharma nature has dictated.The

opportunity for decrimination to adopt a path and to lead ways lies in

dharha.These houses too may be also free from doahas or may not be.it all

depends on our poorva janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing

of the whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty conscious.probably

all phases irrespective significance of various 12houses that tries to define

and convey importance of Astrology,the approach when adopted as to balance and

moderate the life and enable the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to

life is moksha but not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant

for promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the cause of

Astrology.

>The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings aware of the

potentialities and choose the patha through lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the

bhavs accordingly promote what the native intends.

>The relative importance each bahva is to support the native accordingly and

also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and correct path.

>The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same path of

moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and empphasise the need to

overcome doshas

>krishnan

>

>"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

>Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes

>sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of which

>represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where

>everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position too.

>And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

>vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

>

>But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

>astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for astrology

>to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In

>fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning

>and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

>focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and so

>on in the charts!

>

>Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of

>them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

>benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent addition

>to the list of beneficiaries!

>

>Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never

>need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched soul

>who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek

>astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the spiritual

>level of piety that some of us take for granted!

>

>Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

>

>RR

>

>

>

>, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

>

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>>Namaste Rohini and all,

>>

>>According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in

>>California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three

>>errors). These are:

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>>1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires,

>>

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>and

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>>sexual pleasures.

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>>2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

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>signifying

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>>meanness and violence.

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>>3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

>>

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>signifying

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>

>>greed.

>>

>>Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the

>>capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

>>vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively.

>>

>>Regards,

>>

>>John R.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>, "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

>><rrgb@s...> wrote:

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>>

>>>It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals

>>>consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is.

>>>Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that

>>>

>>>

>is

>

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>>>considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth

>>>which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

>>>

>>>Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about

>>>

>>>

>the

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>>>worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money,

>>>power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma

>>>

>>>

>stuff

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>

>>>thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

>>>

>>>

>>spiritual

>>

>>

>>>matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta

>>>devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

>>>

>>>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

>>>

>>>Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I

>>>

>>>

>>say,

>>

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>>>recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for

>>>

>>>

>>worldly

>>

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>>>reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps

>>>primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked

>>>hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage

>>>

>>>

>out

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>

>>>of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being

>>>rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the

>>>rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-

>>>

>>>

>31)

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>>in

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>>>Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I

>>>

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>>truly

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>>>hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

>>>

>>>

>female

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>>>clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that

>>>

>>>

>>we

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>>>currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

>>>

>>>

>>originally

>>

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>>>pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we

>>>

>>>

>have

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>>>is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise

>>>

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>to

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>>>ignore the possibility?

>>>

>>>Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

>>>

>>>

>things,

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>>>11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very

>>>forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

>>>

>>>I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go

>>>again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get

>>>umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with

>>>examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and

>>>

>>>

>pick

>

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>>a

>>

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>>>few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good

>>>quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

>>>

>>>

>>different

>>

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>>>groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the

>>>11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits,

>>>overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

>>>

>>>

>verbatim

>

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>>in

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>>>many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

>>>

>>>You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else

>>>

>>>

>>for

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>>>that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If

>>>

>>>

>>it

>>

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>>>does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt

>>>remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move

>>>

>>>

>>beyond

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>>>the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may

>>>

>>>

>even

>

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>>>begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

>>>

>>>

>>astrology

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>>>has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes

>>>

>>>

>real

>

>

>>>life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

>>>

>>>RR

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , "rishi_2000in"

>>><rishi_2000in> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Dear Mandakani,

>>>>Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a

>>>>

>>>>

>>bit

>>

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>>>>cryptic.

>>>>Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House

>>>>

>>>>

>>makes

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>>>>the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

>>>>However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet,

>>>>

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>>whether

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>>>>malefic or benefic is a good placement.

>>>>Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'?

>>>>While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

>>>>

>>>>

>>>aspirations

>>>

>>>

>>>>more often than not come in conflict with each other..

>>>>yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

>>>>regards

>>>>

>>>>rishi

>>>>

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