Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 My regards to all learned astrologers. Shall be grateful if anyone could give the rationale for why the Eleventh Lord is normally considered difficult for all ascendants.....though the placement of no planet in the eleventh is considered difficult. Rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Dear friend, It is not that bad. Just bad as it signifies selfish wishes and greed- bad from spiritual/ leadership point of view only. As too much open selfishness will not make one able to be a good spiritual/political leader. It is moderately good for health, if otherwise weak it can prove bad. With best wishes, Mandakini --------------------- Moderator of jyotimac group on marital astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Dear Mandakani, Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a bit cryptic. Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House makes the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, whether malefic or benefic is a good placement. Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual aspirations more often than not come in conflict with each other.. yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? regards rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is. Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that is considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about the worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money, power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma stuff thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and spiritual matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I say, recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for worldly reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage out of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-31) in Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I truly hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their female clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that we currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the originally pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we have is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise to ignore the possibility? Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly things, 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and pick a few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from different groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out verbatim in many ordinary/regular charts anyway. You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else for that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If it does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move beyond the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may even begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, astrology has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes real life, shouldn't that indeed be so? RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in> wrote: > Dear Mandakani, > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a bit > cryptic. > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House makes > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, whether > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual aspirations > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > regards > > rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 To Rohini Ranjan ji, I have 7 planets in 11th house, may be able to answer your questions related to 11th house. My birth data is given below: Regards G. Singh date of birth: Feb 3rd, 1962 Time of birth: 10:03 AM Place of birth: Ludhiana, India , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is. > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that is > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time. > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about the > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money, > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma stuff > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and spiritual > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true! > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I say, > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for worldly > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage out > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-31) in > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I truly > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their female > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that we > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the originally > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we have > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise to > ignore the possibility? > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly things, > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then. > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and pick a > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from different > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits, > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out verbatim in > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else for > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If it > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move beyond > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may even > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes, astrology > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes real > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > RR > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > Dear Mandakani, > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a bit > > cryptic. > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House makes > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet, whether > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'? > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual > aspirations > > more often than not come in conflict with each other.. > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > regards > > > > rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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