Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Dear Kad, Could not resist to say...wow...its a good post. --Manoshi , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear Anil, > > Though I hope, no answer can give you perfect understanding > of what happened, analysing the events with Karma, astrology > or spirituality would simply complicate the matter more! > It does not mean that you have learnt nothing from that; but > you have! To me, it appears that your experience with the > bird shows: > > 1.You lack patience required to judge in an emergency - > whether catching bus is more important than the life of > a small bird caught in traffic! > > 2.You can even get to lower strata becoming selfish at times > - by not even signaling the poor bird with horn/light. > > 3.You take advantage of weaker existence for selfish puposes > - would you have done the same thing in case the animal > in front of you was an elephant?! No! Because you would > be the loser in that case! > > 4.You set an example which is not so good, for your son! > - Do not care for anything when you are heading your aim!? > You never even cared to see what happened to the creature! > Would you do the same, when the bird was your son's pet? > > 5. You have learnt that you should have left home earlier > to avoid these kind of bad events. > > The tyre-puncture case shows: > 1.You feel yourself a better judge and do not care for others. > - this incident may be a result of your restlessness; > or pre-occupied mind and duality of thought in yourself! > > I have not used any spiritual or astrological principle to > analyse this event; I am dragging out these from your mind! > I remember swami Vivekananda's words - "Education(Knowledge) > is the manifestation of the perfection, that is ALREADY in man". > You know what you have done; repent for it; do not defend! > > You are neither away nor nearer to salvation; but it is inside > YOURSELF! I recollect a sanskrit Subhashita: > > Pratyaham pratyaveksheta narashcharitamAtmanah | > Kim nu me pashubhistulyam, kim nu satpuruShairiti || > > (Everyday, a person must examine his/her own acts - > whether it should be weighed with those of beasts or > with those of benevolent persons) > > I know, I am pricking on the wound again, but I also know > that you know - that there is a pacifying medicine on the > other side of the needle! > > Ahimsaa paramo dharmah!!! > > hope you know now what you have learnt! > yours humbly > KAD > > > > > , "anil" > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > This morning while driving my son to bus stop, i saw a bird on the > middle of the road. > > i blew the horn and had to stop almost till it flew away. At that > moment i decided > > consciously that if another bird comes on my way, i will not stop > as i was getting late. > > after 1/2 a km. i saw another bird on the road obstructing my way. > as decided i did not > > blow horn and slowed down. Bird tried to flow away and was hit by > my car.I am not > > sure if it died or just flew away..as per my son who was in the > car, it could not have > > survived.. > > > > we missed the bus and had i had to drive very fast to catch the bus > 5 kms down the > > bus stop.. > > > > On the way back home, i stopped at a petrol pump, something told me > inside to get > > the air filed in the tyres..but i ignored.. later when started for > office 3 hr. later, i found > > one of the tyres 1/2 punctured.. still i drove to a shop.but it was > a holiday for them.. > > no air.. so they replaced the tyre with stepney..and i got late for > the office.. reached > > 1/2 hr. late.. > > > > I am not able to decide the learnings out of this episode. Whatever > i did was pre- > > decided consciously..why did the 2nd bird came in my way when i had > already sent > > this message to universe that i will not stop !! > > > > Was it sin on not stopping my car or blowing the horn..? was it my > karmit debt which i > > repaid or i created another karma effect for future ? What could > have been the > > purpose ( not known to me ) ?? why did my car had 1/2 punture AND > not full puncture > > ?? > > > > Can someone intrepret my learnings i am supposed to get out of this > experience.?? > > > > It is not easy to assimilate the learnings for we are not even sure > what are the meant > > learnings in life !! What to talk of right or wrong..!! > > > > All of us who write anything in this form on spirituality ( > including me ) are far off from > > Salvation..very far !!! > > > > We need to first let go of the judgements on our experiences and > other's knowledge > > !! > > > > i guess i have written this email in bit anguish, but porpose of my > current life is to > > express.. leading to expressed love ( 6th Plane ).. > > > > Thanks to all for forgiving me ( i am being sarcastic .. yes ) > > > > regards > > anil > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > May be it is worth to recall the great boost and confidence Lord > Krishna tried to > > instill in the great warrior like Arjun; > > > Action is Life and never be an example of inaction.why then Mars > being Deivik > > planet pumps up energy and initiates action.May be write or wrong > for that moment. > > This realisation of actions and fruits is the core of vedic > Astrology.If this can be > > realised' can cure the soul" > > > So let the celestial drama be understood for the present,future > and from the past > > that potrays as: > > > "in the tug-og-war between earthly and cosmic reality". The cynic > in me believes > > that the doubt ........and clings on to status quo > > > when many people show zeal in knowing future it is not to be > academic but to get in > > to the frame and percieve life in it's practical sense. > > > Th members are just interested in their future but not in their > actions,in it's power > > that can do and do. > > > Analysis of these actions has to be the basis for anticipating > good or bad.Lagna in > > Astrology is the place lot canbe deciphered. > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > That is to be expected. If everyone listened and followed proper > > > advice, the world could be a happier place. However, modern (wo) > man > > > harbours many doubts as (s)he participates in the tug-og-war > between > > > earthly and cosmic reality. The cynic in me believes that the > doubt > > > is really an expression of inability to let go, to cling on to > the > > > status quo as nearly all of us experience. The karmic groove, > though > > > full of suffering, can be quite addictive and preferred by many > over > > > the uncertainty of that which can 'cure' the soul! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > "you have the faith in the truth that the > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > and > > > Love. > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test your > faith > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF!" > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > You have n't minced words and told absolutely > > > straight.Unfortunately those who ask queries need to be sincere > to > > > and do such highly pious chantings. > > > > I have seen many members of the group with draw when it comes > to > > > following what is advised. > > > > God Bless You. > > > > Krishnan > > > > P.S: Even I felt some change over years as mantras have a > definete > > > impact in life > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > In the case of getting the jaap done by a pandit, hopefully one > who > > > > has taken the vow of poverty and does not show up at the pooja > with > > > a > > > > gold rolex on his wrist, you would be helping a dharmik person > with > > > > his physical/worldly needs, as was the practice in the olden > days. > > > > Endorsing the music casette -- you don't know who you are > really > > > > supporting and how much! > > > > > > > > Mantras are very powerful, particularly if you wholeheartedly > > > invest > > > > your soul in it. It is almost like bringing home a murti or > even a > > > > sacred piece of crystal or stone and worshipping it as a symbol > of > > > > Something great, even if you have no real clue what That being > is. > > > > > > > > Yes, Guru is essential but Guru does not have to be a human or > even > > > a > > > > living being! I will leave it at that. > > > > > > > > The more you ask, the more confused you will become, because > you > > > are > > > > in a zone where it is hard to tell the ECHO apart from the > message, > > > > let alone 'truth'! > > > > > > > > A mantra is an expedition into the wilderness of soul. However, > > > most > > > > people start on a path, a "pagdandi" which means someone has > walked > > > > before and it is comforting to know that, particularly when you > > > don't > > > > find blood-stains or bones and the path vanishes suddenly! > > > > > > > > You can use a mantra or ritual as a path well-travelled, with > all > > > the > > > > insurance it brings, assumedly -- OR you can venture into the > rest > > > of > > > > the Universe as long as you have the faith in the truth that > the > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > and > > > Love. > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test your > faith > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a mantra jaap getting done by > a > > > > Pandit and by > > > > > listening to a Times Music Cassette ? > > > > > > > > > > 2ndly, Can the result of Mantra recitation be attributed to > more > > > > than one person like > > > > > the whole world or the family ?? Or dirfferent recitations > are > > > reqd > > > > for all family > > > > > members ?? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > anil > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > <kadrudra> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > correct pronunciation is: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tryambakam' (tri + ambakam = three eyed) > > > > > > > > > > > > I would stress that before chanting any Mantra, please know > its > > > > > > meaning and its correct pronunciation. Though there are > many > > > > other > > > > > > things to be known, these two are the MUST! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: sanskrit part of the 'tryambakam': > > > > > > > > > > > > trINi ambakaani yasya sah = tryambakah (one who has 3 eyes > = > > > > Shiva) > > > > > > > > > > > > ambakam(Eye) = ambu (jaayate) yasmin tat(one which > has/produces > > > > > > water) > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > > > is it Om Tryamlakam or Om Tryambakam ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > anil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Any body else who would like to learn from my experience ?? regards anil , "Manoshi Chatterjee" <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Kad, > > Could not resist to say...wow...its a good post. > > --Manoshi > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > Dear Anil, > > > > Though I hope, no answer can give you perfect understanding > > of what happened, analysing the events with Karma, astrology > > or spirituality would simply complicate the matter more! > > It does not mean that you have learnt nothing from that; but > > you have! To me, it appears that your experience with the > > bird shows: > > > > 1.You lack patience required to judge in an emergency - > > whether catching bus is more important than the life of > > a small bird caught in traffic! > > > > 2.You can even get to lower strata becoming selfish at times > > - by not even signaling the poor bird with horn/light. > > > > 3.You take advantage of weaker existence for selfish puposes > > - would you have done the same thing in case the animal > > in front of you was an elephant?! No! Because you would > > be the loser in that case! > > > > 4.You set an example which is not so good, for your son! > > - Do not care for anything when you are heading your aim!? > > You never even cared to see what happened to the creature! > > Would you do the same, when the bird was your son's pet? > > > > 5. You have learnt that you should have left home earlier > > to avoid these kind of bad events. > > > > The tyre-puncture case shows: > > 1.You feel yourself a better judge and do not care for others. > > - this incident may be a result of your restlessness; > > or pre-occupied mind and duality of thought in yourself! > > > > I have not used any spiritual or astrological principle to > > analyse this event; I am dragging out these from your mind! > > I remember swami Vivekananda's words - "Education(Knowledge) > > is the manifestation of the perfection, that is ALREADY in man". > > You know what you have done; repent for it; do not defend! > > > > You are neither away nor nearer to salvation; but it is inside > > YOURSELF! I recollect a sanskrit Subhashita: > > > > Pratyaham pratyaveksheta narashcharitamAtmanah | > > Kim nu me pashubhistulyam, kim nu satpuruShairiti || > > > > (Everyday, a person must examine his/her own acts - > > whether it should be weighed with those of beasts or > > with those of benevolent persons) > > > > I know, I am pricking on the wound again, but I also know > > that you know - that there is a pacifying medicine on the > > other side of the needle! > > > > Ahimsaa paramo dharmah!!! > > > > hope you know now what you have learnt! > > yours humbly > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > This morning while driving my son to bus stop, i saw a bird on > the > > middle of the road. > > > i blew the horn and had to stop almost till it flew away. At > that > > moment i decided > > > consciously that if another bird comes on my way, i will not > stop > > as i was getting late. > > > after 1/2 a km. i saw another bird on the road obstructing my > way. > > as decided i did not > > > blow horn and slowed down. Bird tried to flow away and was hit > by > > my car.I am not > > > sure if it died or just flew away..as per my son who was in the > > car, it could not have > > > survived.. > > > > > > we missed the bus and had i had to drive very fast to catch the > bus > > 5 kms down the > > > bus stop.. > > > > > > On the way back home, i stopped at a petrol pump, something told > me > > inside to get > > > the air filed in the tyres..but i ignored.. later when started > for > > office 3 hr. later, i found > > > one of the tyres 1/2 punctured.. still i drove to a shop.but it > was > > a holiday for them.. > > > no air.. so they replaced the tyre with stepney..and i got late > for > > the office.. reached > > > 1/2 hr. late.. > > > > > > I am not able to decide the learnings out of this episode. > Whatever > > i did was pre- > > > decided consciously..why did the 2nd bird came in my way when i > had > > already sent > > > this message to universe that i will not stop !! > > > > > > Was it sin on not stopping my car or blowing the horn..? was it > my > > karmit debt which i > > > repaid or i created another karma effect for future ? What could > > have been the > > > purpose ( not known to me ) ?? why did my car had 1/2 punture > AND > > not full puncture > > > ?? > > > > > > Can someone intrepret my learnings i am supposed to get out of > this > > experience.?? > > > > > > It is not easy to assimilate the learnings for we are not even > sure > > what are the meant > > > learnings in life !! What to talk of right or wrong..!! > > > > > > All of us who write anything in this form on spirituality ( > > including me ) are far off from > > > Salvation..very far !!! > > > > > > We need to first let go of the judgements on our experiences and > > other's knowledge > > > !! > > > > > > i guess i have written this email in bit anguish, but porpose of > my > > current life is to > > > express.. leading to expressed love ( 6th Plane ).. > > > > > > Thanks to all for forgiving me ( i am being sarcastic .. yes ) > > > > > > regards > > > anil > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > May be it is worth to recall the great boost and confidence > Lord > > Krishna tried to > > > instill in the great warrior like Arjun; > > > > Action is Life and never be an example of inaction.why then > Mars > > being Deivik > > > planet pumps up energy and initiates action.May be write or > wrong > > for that moment. > > > This realisation of actions and fruits is the core of vedic > > Astrology.If this can be > > > realised' can cure the soul" > > > > So let the celestial drama be understood for the > present,future > > and from the past > > > that potrays as: > > > > "in the tug-og-war between earthly and cosmic reality". The > cynic > > in me believes > > > that the doubt ........and clings on to status quo > > > > when many people show zeal in knowing future it is not to be > > academic but to get in > > > to the frame and percieve life in it's practical sense. > > > > Th members are just interested in their future but not in > their > > actions,in it's power > > > that can do and do. > > > > Analysis of these actions has to be the basis for anticipating > > good or bad.Lagna in > > > Astrology is the place lot canbe deciphered. > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > That is to be expected. If everyone listened and followed > proper > > > > advice, the world could be a happier place. However, modern > (wo) > > man > > > > harbours many doubts as (s)he participates in the tug-og-war > > between > > > > earthly and cosmic reality. The cynic in me believes that the > > doubt > > > > is really an expression of inability to let go, to cling on to > > the > > > > status quo as nearly all of us experience. The karmic groove, > > though > > > > full of suffering, can be quite addictive and preferred by > many > > over > > > > the uncertainty of that which can 'cure' the soul! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > "you have the faith in the truth that the > > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > > and > > > > Love. > > > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test > your > > faith > > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF!" > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > You have n't minced words and told absolutely > > > > straight.Unfortunately those who ask queries need to be > sincere > > to > > > > and do such highly pious chantings. > > > > > I have seen many members of the group with draw when it > comes > > to > > > > following what is advised. > > > > > God Bless You. > > > > > Krishnan > > > > > P.S: Even I felt some change over years as mantras have a > > definete > > > > impact in life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > In the case of getting the jaap done by a pandit, hopefully > one > > who > > > > > has taken the vow of poverty and does not show up at the > pooja > > with > > > > a > > > > > gold rolex on his wrist, you would be helping a dharmik > person > > with > > > > > his physical/worldly needs, as was the practice in the olden > > days. > > > > > Endorsing the music casette -- you don't know who you are > > really > > > > > supporting and how much! > > > > > > > > > > Mantras are very powerful, particularly if you > wholeheartedly > > > > invest > > > > > your soul in it. It is almost like bringing home a murti or > > even a > > > > > sacred piece of crystal or stone and worshipping it as a > symbol > > of > > > > > Something great, even if you have no real clue what That > being > > is. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Guru is essential but Guru does not have to be a human > or > > even > > > > a > > > > > living being! I will leave it at that. > > > > > > > > > > The more you ask, the more confused you will become, because > > you > > > > are > > > > > in a zone where it is hard to tell the ECHO apart from the > > message, > > > > > let alone 'truth'! > > > > > > > > > > A mantra is an expedition into the wilderness of soul. > However, > > > > most > > > > > people start on a path, a "pagdandi" which means someone has > > walked > > > > > before and it is comforting to know that, particularly when > you > > > > don't > > > > > find blood-stains or bones and the path vanishes suddenly! > > > > > > > > > > You can use a mantra or ritual as a path well-travelled, > with > > all > > > > the > > > > > insurance it brings, assumedly -- OR you can venture into > the > > rest > > > > of > > > > > the Universe as long as you have the faith in the truth that > > the > > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > > and > > > > Love. > > > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test > your > > faith > > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a mantra jaap getting done > by > > a > > > > > Pandit and by > > > > > > listening to a Times Music Cassette ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2ndly, Can the result of Mantra recitation be attributed > to > > more > > > > > than one person like > > > > > > the whole world or the family ?? Or dirfferent recitations > > are > > > > reqd > > > > > for all family > > > > > > members ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > anil > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > > <kadrudra> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct pronunciation is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tryambakam' (tri + ambakam = three eyed) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would stress that before chanting any Mantra, please > know > > its > > > > > > > meaning and its correct pronunciation. Though there are > > many > > > > > other > > > > > > > things to be known, these two are the MUST! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: sanskrit part of the 'tryambakam': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trINi ambakaani yasya sah = tryambakah (one who has 3 > eyes > > = > > > > > Shiva) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ambakam(Eye) = ambu (jaayate) yasmin tat(one which > > has/produces > > > > > > > water) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > is it Om Tryamlakam or Om Tryambakam ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > anil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Dear Mr KAD ji, All omens in the form of happenings/incidents were basic to Astrology.Normal being some times analyses the nature throgh a seperate a electronic chip whic perhaps must 6th sense.This 6th sense is not entirely a hoax or something far from truth.The kind of Gift God has created in every human being.we may learn or we may not learn from such occurences. For the sake of emphasis let me put it as the:5th House certainly guides evey person and is like a trust or deposit to depend at the time of need or emergency to withdraw/use for the occassion.That is how even a great sage like Maharishi Vivekananda ji has put: "Education(Knowledge) is the manifestation of the perfection, that is ALREADY in man". How Nature teaches and makes the person knowledgeable about future is an issue which no body can afford to ignore.Study of omens is certainly a very passive way of analysing nature and common man has certainly benifited and enthusiastic intellectuals even penned down all such as a compendium for reference of human beings. This effort was just an attempt to link with future and also with past through actions/deeds. KAD ji you have made a timely reference of:Pratyaham pratyaveksheta narashcharitamAtmanah | > Kim nu me pashubhistulyam, kim nu satpuruShairiti || > > (Everyday, a person must examine his/her own acts - > whether it should be weighed with those of beasts or > with those of benevolent persons) Presence of mind is a very important featurethat only cautions and helps for a peaceful,happy and useful life. However nature around us makes us very mechanical and not experiential to register and find as good or bad and learn from all such findings/incidents. It is necessary to spare time and just review: "Some You know what you have done; repent for it; do not defend! But for a person who is also interested in Astrology,planets do contribute for the good and bad and the dasha that is part and parcel of our subject makes issues, happenings as the lagna/Ascdt drives every one of us to act(9th and 10th houses).These results are certainly good if no affliction/conjunction of the house(in this case 8th house) is there.when ever Mar's impacts us in daily life we are in hurry and in emotions that makes us to forget ourselves(gets blinded) by issues of no significance. only when you activate 9th house or gets activated(Dharma) you will find that what has really happened to repent or otherwise.Nevertheless God has never made Human being so conscious every time to feel and honour :NATURE how it helps and guides and also the efforts made in this regard by our great sages to analyse and make them meaningful. Certainly 9th house will contribute to: "away nor nearer to salvation"; "but it is inside YOURSELF!" with out any doubt provided we believe in all these finer issues conveyed through og Vedas,upanishads and last but not the least"ASTROLOGY:which through happenings/incidents/miracles reminded the human being(otherwise selfish in nature) not to ignore these reverred fields. One should thank suresh ji for bringing to the notice of the group and KAD ji like every time and inmost of the occassion has the great art of linking to the glory of the past and present of Hindu Dharma. Krishnan Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: Dear Kad, Could not resist to say...wow...its a good post. --Manoshi , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear Anil, > > Though I hope, no answer can give you perfect understanding > of what happened, analysing the events with Karma, astrology > or spirituality would simply complicate the matter more! > It does not mean that you have learnt nothing from that; but > you have! To me, it appears that your experience with the > bird shows: > > 1.You lack patience required to judge in an emergency - > whether catching bus is more important than the life of > a small bird caught in traffic! > > 2.You can even get to lower strata becoming selfish at times > - by not even signaling the poor bird with horn/light. > > 3.You take advantage of weaker existence for selfish puposes > - would you have done the same thing in case the animal > in front of you was an elephant?! No! Because you would > be the loser in that case! > > 4.You set an example which is not so good, for your son! > - Do not care for anything when you are heading your aim!? > You never even cared to see what happened to the creature! > Would you do the same, when the bird was your son's pet? > > 5. You have learnt that you should have left home earlier > to avoid these kind of bad events. > > The tyre-puncture case shows: > 1.You feel yourself a better judge and do not care for others. > - this incident may be a result of your restlessness; > or pre-occupied mind and duality of thought in yourself! > > I have not used any spiritual or astrological principle to > analyse this event; I am dragging out these from your mind! > I remember swami Vivekananda's words - "Education(Knowledge) > is the manifestation of the perfection, that is ALREADY in man". > You know what you have done; repent for it; do not defend! > > You are neither away nor nearer to salvation; but it is inside > YOURSELF! I recollect a sanskrit Subhashita: > > Pratyaham pratyaveksheta narashcharitamAtmanah | > Kim nu me pashubhistulyam, kim nu satpuruShairiti || > > (Everyday, a person must examine his/her own acts - > whether it should be weighed with those of beasts or > with those of benevolent persons) > > I know, I am pricking on the wound again, but I also know > that you know - that there is a pacifying medicine on the > other side of the needle! > > Ahimsaa paramo dharmah!!! > > hope you know now what you have learnt! > yours humbly > KAD > > > > > , "anil" > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > This morning while driving my son to bus stop, i saw a bird on the > middle of the road. > > i blew the horn and had to stop almost till it flew away. At that > moment i decided > > consciously that if another bird comes on my way, i will not stop > as i was getting late. > > after 1/2 a km. i saw another bird on the road obstructing my way. > as decided i did not > > blow horn and slowed down. Bird tried to flow away and was hit by > my car.I am not > > sure if it died or just flew away..as per my son who was in the > car, it could not have > > survived.. > > > > we missed the bus and had i had to drive very fast to catch the bus > 5 kms down the > > bus stop.. > > > > On the way back home, i stopped at a petrol pump, something told me > inside to get > > the air filed in the tyres..but i ignored.. later when started for > office 3 hr. later, i found > > one of the tyres 1/2 punctured.. still i drove to a shop.but it was > a holiday for them.. > > no air.. so they replaced the tyre with stepney..and i got late for > the office.. reached > > 1/2 hr. late.. > > > > I am not able to decide the learnings out of this episode. Whatever > i did was pre- > > decided consciously..why did the 2nd bird came in my way when i had > already sent > > this message to universe that i will not stop !! > > > > Was it sin on not stopping my car or blowing the horn..? was it my > karmit debt which i > > repaid or i created another karma effect for future ? What could > have been the > > purpose ( not known to me ) ?? why did my car had 1/2 punture AND > not full puncture > > ?? > > > > Can someone intrepret my learnings i am supposed to get out of this > experience.?? > > > > It is not easy to assimilate the learnings for we are not even sure > what are the meant > > learnings in life !! What to talk of right or wrong..!! > > > > All of us who write anything in this form on spirituality ( > including me ) are far off from > > Salvation..very far !!! > > > > We need to first let go of the judgements on our experiences and > other's knowledge > > !! > > > > i guess i have written this email in bit anguish, but porpose of my > current life is to > > express.. leading to expressed love ( 6th Plane ).. > > > > Thanks to all for forgiving me ( i am being sarcastic .. yes ) > > > > regards > > anil > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> > > wrote: > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > May be it is worth to recall the great boost and confidence Lord > Krishna tried to > > instill in the great warrior like Arjun; > > > Action is Life and never be an example of inaction.why then Mars > being Deivik > > planet pumps up energy and initiates action.May be write or wrong > for that moment. > > This realisation of actions and fruits is the core of vedic > Astrology.If this can be > > realised' can cure the soul" > > > So let the celestial drama be understood for the present,future > and from the past > > that potrays as: > > > "in the tug-og-war between earthly and cosmic reality". The cynic > in me believes > > that the doubt ........and clings on to status quo > > > when many people show zeal in knowing future it is not to be > academic but to get in > > to the frame and percieve life in it's practical sense. > > > Th members are just interested in their future but not in their > actions,in it's power > > that can do and do. > > > Analysis of these actions has to be the basis for anticipating > good or bad.Lagna in > > Astrology is the place lot canbe deciphered. > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > That is to be expected. If everyone listened and followed proper > > > advice, the world could be a happier place. However, modern (wo) > man > > > harbours many doubts as (s)he participates in the tug-og-war > between > > > earthly and cosmic reality. The cynic in me believes that the > doubt > > > is really an expression of inability to let go, to cling on to > the > > > status quo as nearly all of us experience. The karmic groove, > though > > > full of suffering, can be quite addictive and preferred by many > over > > > the uncertainty of that which can 'cure' the soul! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > "you have the faith in the truth that the > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > and > > > Love. > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test your > faith > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF!" > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > You have n't minced words and told absolutely > > > straight.Unfortunately those who ask queries need to be sincere > to > > > and do such highly pious chantings. > > > > I have seen many members of the group with draw when it comes > to > > > following what is advised. > > > > God Bless You. > > > > Krishnan > > > > P.S: Even I felt some change over years as mantras have a > definete > > > impact in life > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > In the case of getting the jaap done by a pandit, hopefully one > who > > > > has taken the vow of poverty and does not show up at the pooja > with > > > a > > > > gold rolex on his wrist, you would be helping a dharmik person > with > > > > his physical/worldly needs, as was the practice in the olden > days. > > > > Endorsing the music casette -- you don't know who you are > really > > > > supporting and how much! > > > > > > > > Mantras are very powerful, particularly if you wholeheartedly > > > invest > > > > your soul in it. It is almost like bringing home a murti or > even a > > > > sacred piece of crystal or stone and worshipping it as a symbol > of > > > > Something great, even if you have no real clue what That being > is. > > > > > > > > Yes, Guru is essential but Guru does not have to be a human or > even > > > a > > > > living being! I will leave it at that. > > > > > > > > The more you ask, the more confused you will become, because > you > > > are > > > > in a zone where it is hard to tell the ECHO apart from the > message, > > > > let alone 'truth'! > > > > > > > > A mantra is an expedition into the wilderness of soul. However, > > > most > > > > people start on a path, a "pagdandi" which means someone has > walked > > > > before and it is comforting to know that, particularly when you > > > don't > > > > find blood-stains or bones and the path vanishes suddenly! > > > > > > > > You can use a mantra or ritual as a path well-travelled, with > all > > > the > > > > insurance it brings, assumedly -- OR you can venture into the > rest > > > of > > > > the Universe as long as you have the faith in the truth that > the > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > and > > > Love. > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test your > faith > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a mantra jaap getting done by > a > > > > Pandit and by > > > > > listening to a Times Music Cassette ? > > > > > > > > > > 2ndly, Can the result of Mantra recitation be attributed to > more > > > > than one person like > > > > > the whole world or the family ?? Or dirfferent recitations > are > > > reqd > > > > for all family > > > > > members ?? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > anil > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > <kadrudra> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > correct pronunciation is: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tryambakam' (tri + ambakam = three eyed) > > > > > > > > > > > > I would stress that before chanting any Mantra, please know > its > > > > > > meaning and its correct pronunciation. Though there are > many > > > > other > > > > > > things to be known, these two are the MUST! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: sanskrit part of the 'tryambakam': > > > > > > > > > > > > trINi ambakaani yasya sah = tryambakah (one who has 3 eyes > = > > > > Shiva) > > > > > > > > > > > > ambakam(Eye) = ambu (jaayate) yasmin tat(one which > has/produces > > > > > > water) > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > > > is it Om Tryamlakam or Om Tryambakam ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > anil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Dear friend, If you must teach, then just teach, don't wait for the critical mass/number to gather around ;-) The teachings must come through a teacher (them's the laws) but are they really 'emerging'from the teacher? Any *teacher* care to comment? RR , "anil" <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > Any body else who would like to learn from my experience ?? > > regards > anil > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" <khallopapa> > wrote: > > Dear Kad, > > > > Could not resist to say...wow...its a good post. > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > Dear Anil, > > > > > > Though I hope, no answer can give you perfect understanding > > > of what happened, analysing the events with Karma, astrology > > > or spirituality would simply complicate the matter more! > > > It does not mean that you have learnt nothing from that; but > > > you have! To me, it appears that your experience with the > > > bird shows: > > > > > > 1.You lack patience required to judge in an emergency - > > > whether catching bus is more important than the life of > > > a small bird caught in traffic! > > > > > > 2.You can even get to lower strata becoming selfish at times > > > - by not even signaling the poor bird with horn/light. > > > > > > 3.You take advantage of weaker existence for selfish puposes > > > - would you have done the same thing in case the animal > > > in front of you was an elephant?! No! Because you would > > > be the loser in that case! > > > > > > 4.You set an example which is not so good, for your son! > > > - Do not care for anything when you are heading your aim!? > > > You never even cared to see what happened to the creature! > > > Would you do the same, when the bird was your son's pet? > > > > > > 5. You have learnt that you should have left home earlier > > > to avoid these kind of bad events. > > > > > > The tyre-puncture case shows: > > > 1.You feel yourself a better judge and do not care for others. > > > - this incident may be a result of your restlessness; > > > or pre-occupied mind and duality of thought in yourself! > > > > > > I have not used any spiritual or astrological principle to > > > analyse this event; I am dragging out these from your mind! > > > I remember swami Vivekananda's words - "Education(Knowledge) > > > is the manifestation of the perfection, that is ALREADY in man". > > > You know what you have done; repent for it; do not defend! > > > > > > You are neither away nor nearer to salvation; but it is inside > > > YOURSELF! I recollect a sanskrit Subhashita: > > > > > > Pratyaham pratyaveksheta narashcharitamAtmanah | > > > Kim nu me pashubhistulyam, kim nu satpuruShairiti || > > > > > > (Everyday, a person must examine his/her own acts - > > > whether it should be weighed with those of beasts or > > > with those of benevolent persons) > > > > > > I know, I am pricking on the wound again, but I also know > > > that you know - that there is a pacifying medicine on the > > > other side of the needle! > > > > > > Ahimsaa paramo dharmah!!! > > > > > > hope you know now what you have learnt! > > > yours humbly > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > This morning while driving my son to bus stop, i saw a bird on > > the > > > middle of the road. > > > > i blew the horn and had to stop almost till it flew away. At > > that > > > moment i decided > > > > consciously that if another bird comes on my way, i will not > > stop > > > as i was getting late. > > > > after 1/2 a km. i saw another bird on the road obstructing my > > way. > > > as decided i did not > > > > blow horn and slowed down. Bird tried to flow away and was hit > > by > > > my car.I am not > > > > sure if it died or just flew away..as per my son who was in the > > > car, it could not have > > > > survived.. > > > > > > > > we missed the bus and had i had to drive very fast to catch the > > bus > > > 5 kms down the > > > > bus stop.. > > > > > > > > On the way back home, i stopped at a petrol pump, something told > > me > > > inside to get > > > > the air filed in the tyres..but i ignored.. later when started > > for > > > office 3 hr. later, i found > > > > one of the tyres 1/2 punctured.. still i drove to a shop.but it > > was > > > a holiday for them.. > > > > no air.. so they replaced the tyre with stepney..and i got late > > for > > > the office.. reached > > > > 1/2 hr. late.. > > > > > > > > I am not able to decide the learnings out of this episode. > > Whatever > > > i did was pre- > > > > decided consciously..why did the 2nd bird came in my way when i > > had > > > already sent > > > > this message to universe that i will not stop !! > > > > > > > > Was it sin on not stopping my car or blowing the horn..? was it > > my > > > karmit debt which i > > > > repaid or i created another karma effect for future ? What could > > > have been the > > > > purpose ( not known to me ) ?? why did my car had 1/2 punture > > AND > > > not full puncture > > > > ?? > > > > > > > > Can someone intrepret my learnings i am supposed to get out of > > this > > > experience.?? > > > > > > > > It is not easy to assimilate the learnings for we are not even > > sure > > > what are the meant > > > > learnings in life !! What to talk of right or wrong..!! > > > > > > > > All of us who write anything in this form on spirituality ( > > > including me ) are far off from > > > > Salvation..very far !!! > > > > > > > > We need to first let go of the judgements on our experiences and > > > other's knowledge > > > > !! > > > > > > > > i guess i have written this email in bit anguish, but porpose of > > my > > > current life is to > > > > express.. leading to expressed love ( 6th Plane ).. > > > > > > > > Thanks to all for forgiving me ( i am being sarcastic .. yes ) > > > > > > > > regards > > > > anil > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > May be it is worth to recall the great boost and confidence > > Lord > > > Krishna tried to > > > > instill in the great warrior like Arjun; > > > > > Action is Life and never be an example of inaction.why then > > Mars > > > being Deivik > > > > planet pumps up energy and initiates action.May be write or > > wrong > > > for that moment. > > > > This realisation of actions and fruits is the core of vedic > > > Astrology.If this can be > > > > realised' can cure the soul" > > > > > So let the celestial drama be understood for the > > present,future > > > and from the past > > > > that potrays as: > > > > > "in the tug-og-war between earthly and cosmic reality". The > > cynic > > > in me believes > > > > that the doubt ........and clings on to status quo > > > > > when many people show zeal in knowing future it is not to be > > > academic but to get in > > > > to the frame and percieve life in it's practical sense. > > > > > Th members are just interested in their future but not in > > their > > > actions,in it's power > > > > that can do and do. > > > > > Analysis of these actions has to be the basis for anticipating > > > good or bad.Lagna in > > > > Astrology is the place lot canbe deciphered. > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > That is to be expected. If everyone listened and followed > > proper > > > > > advice, the world could be a happier place. However, modern > > (wo) > > > man > > > > > harbours many doubts as (s)he participates in the tug-og- war > > > between > > > > > earthly and cosmic reality. The cynic in me believes that the > > > doubt > > > > > is really an expression of inability to let go, to cling on to > > > the > > > > > status quo as nearly all of us experience. The karmic groove, > > > though > > > > > full of suffering, can be quite addictive and preferred by > > many > > > over > > > > > the uncertainty of that which can 'cure' the soul! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > "you have the faith in the truth that the > > > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > > > and > > > > > Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test > > your > > > faith > > > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF!" > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > You have n't minced words and told absolutely > > > > > straight.Unfortunately those who ask queries need to be > > sincere > > > to > > > > > and do such highly pious chantings. > > > > > > I have seen many members of the group with draw when it > > comes > > > to > > > > > following what is advised. > > > > > > God Bless You. > > > > > > Krishnan > > > > > > P.S: Even I felt some change over years as mantras have a > > > definete > > > > > impact in life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > In the case of getting the jaap done by a pandit, hopefully > > one > > > who > > > > > > has taken the vow of poverty and does not show up at the > > pooja > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > gold rolex on his wrist, you would be helping a dharmik > > person > > > with > > > > > > his physical/worldly needs, as was the practice in the olden > > > days. > > > > > > Endorsing the music casette -- you don't know who you are > > > really > > > > > > supporting and how much! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantras are very powerful, particularly if you > > wholeheartedly > > > > > invest > > > > > > your soul in it. It is almost like bringing home a murti or > > > even a > > > > > > sacred piece of crystal or stone and worshipping it as a > > symbol > > > of > > > > > > Something great, even if you have no real clue what That > > being > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Guru is essential but Guru does not have to be a human > > or > > > even > > > > > a > > > > > > living being! I will leave it at that. > > > > > > > > > > > > The more you ask, the more confused you will become, because > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > in a zone where it is hard to tell the ECHO apart from the > > > message, > > > > > > let alone 'truth'! > > > > > > > > > > > > A mantra is an expedition into the wilderness of soul. > > However, > > > > > most > > > > > > people start on a path, a "pagdandi" which means someone has > > > walked > > > > > > before and it is comforting to know that, particularly when > > you > > > > > don't > > > > > > find blood-stains or bones and the path vanishes suddenly! > > > > > > > > > > > > You can use a mantra or ritual as a path well-travelled, > > with > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > insurance it brings, assumedly -- OR you can venture into > > the > > > rest > > > > > of > > > > > > the Universe as long as you have the faith in the truth that > > > the > > > > > > Universe is not random or chaotic and is guarded by Kindness > > > and > > > > > Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > There will be challenges and set-backs -- they will test > > your > > > faith > > > > > > and devotion -- in YOURSELF! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a mantra jaap getting done > > by > > > a > > > > > > Pandit and by > > > > > > > listening to a Times Music Cassette ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2ndly, Can the result of Mantra recitation be attributed > > to > > > more > > > > > > than one person like > > > > > > > the whole world or the family ?? Or dirfferent recitations > > > are > > > > > reqd > > > > > > for all family > > > > > > > members ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > anil > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > > > <kadrudra> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct pronunciation is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tryambakam' (tri + ambakam = three eyed) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would stress that before chanting any Mantra, please > > know > > > its > > > > > > > > meaning and its correct pronunciation. Though there are > > > many > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > things to be known, these two are the MUST! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: sanskrit part of the 'tryambakam': > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trINi ambakaani yasya sah = tryambakah (one who has 3 > > eyes > > > = > > > > > > Shiva) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ambakam(Eye) = ambu (jaayate) yasmin tat(one which > > > has/produces > > > > > > > > water) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anil" > > > > > > > > <anil_bindal2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > > is it Om Tryamlakam or Om Tryambakam ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > anil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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