Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets (alternate view)

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Divya,

 

An alternate view: If you look at the way planets are exalted and

debilitated (the two points are half a circle apart and cycle from

low to high and back to low) it is very similar to pakshabala cycle

of moon (amavasya to purnima, no light -- increasing - full light --

decreasing -- no light; wasing and waning, predictably and

cyclically). Pakshabala renders moon with qualitative changes as it

goes from benefic to malefic and not just increases or decreases

(quantitatively) in strength (other shadbala factors, such as own,

friendly, etc). Although there is a quantitative factor involved,

the change in quality is more significant.

 

Extrapolating this, the planet in debility is of malefic mien, while

in exaltation is of benefic nature (further modified by natural or

horoscope specific beneficience/maleficience such as whether it is

lord of angles/trines or trika houses, etc).

 

If we just stop at considering exaltation as strong and debilitation

as weak position for the planet, one can find it confusing when an

exalted planet is found to be weak in shadbala (an important

consolidated indication of quantitative strength) and the vice versa

is often true as well (debilitated but of high shadbala strength).

Hence the 'quality' dimension is useful when considering

exaltation/debility of the planet. As I mentione, taking the

template of the pakshabala of moon.

 

Please note that a similar cyclical phenomenon is also seen when

considering directional (dig) strength [e.g., sun in 10th, saturn in

7th, etc). This also imparts a qualitative personality to the

planets concerned as well as quantitative strength.

 

Happy exploring ...

 

RR

 

, Divya

<touchbase_divya> wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you for the reply.

>

> I did check the archives before putting up the question as I could

not find what I was looking for. I guess I need to study this topic

more to understand completely.

>

> Thanks again,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

>

> This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can refer

to

> archives for old messages.

> Yet, let me share what I know:

>

> A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only

confirms

> that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

> the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of giving

> scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

>

> A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse

effects

> of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

> So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off

difficulties

> and causes troubles too.

>

> Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

> natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

> So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives complex

> difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

>

> Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

> dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

> So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional malefic,when

> retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

> especially as RE-BOUNCE.

>

> The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a single

> planet, but by whole chart.

> So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

> Mercury is very powerful, the ill

> effects are grately reduced!

>

> In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught by a

> crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

> Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a clue to

> solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

> Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

>

> Yours

> KAD

>

> PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Kadji,

> >

> > Thank you so much for the clarification.

> >

> > Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when

a

> benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is

better

> than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in

dusthan?

> For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and debilitated -

is

> this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in 8th

> house?

> >

> > Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means

> weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

> exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming

positive?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Divya

> >

> > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > Dear friend,

> > The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest

point

> in

> > its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> > our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

> > soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd

May.

> > So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of

the

> > year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> > In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

> > temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

> >

> > Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> > soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> > your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

> > debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> > better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> > debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

> > deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

> > when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> > Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

> > indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

> > Pisces.

> >

> > Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

> > orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

> > SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

> > This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> > similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say

both

> set

> > of points

> > were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

> > exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at

> exalt.

> > So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

> > at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> > wrote:

> > > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> > >

> > > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

debilitation

> for

> > planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> > >

> > > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than

> this

> > max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be

debilitated.

> > > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg.,

it

> > will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose

> mercury

> > is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

> > >

> > > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Divya

> > >

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