Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Ashutosh ji, For a person who doesn't believe in God, your knowledge of Him is excellent! I agree with most of your points. However, instead using "religious" and "spiritual" I prefer the words "ritualistic" and "religious" A ritualistic person follows religious injunctions - does Sandyavandanam, goes to temples, etc. A religious person is concerned more about his love for God and God's love for him. Of course, they are not mutually exclusive. Some may be both, some only one. But, the religious person, the person who truly loves God, is the best. You have studied my chart and mentioned about my spiritual progress. Well, I am NOT ritualistic. I hate doing sandyavandanam because I don't see it getting me closer to God. However, I love visiting temples because I find peace and feel closer to Him. In my humble opinion, a truly religious person is one who can actually cry when contemplating on God. One tear, shed by a true devotee, is far greater than all the religious scriptures in the world. God can be realized to an extent through books, but experiencing Him can only be done at a deeply personal level. In astrology, as you say, the graha Guru, while ensuring conformance, doesn't enable divinity beyond a point. For this, one has to seek out Ketu and Sani. So, one way of looking at it could be: Surya - The soul who must reach God Chandra - The mind that must contemplate God Budha - The intelligence that must probe and question truths that lead one to God Sukra - Pleasures, which one must realize stand in the way of God realization Kuja - Energy that keeps us motivated and anger that must be shunned to reach God Guru - Conformance, which one soon realizes only goes so far in the quest for God Sani - Vairagya, which is so esential for reaching God Rahu - Materialism, which must be shunned for God realization Ketu - The Moksha Karaka, who enables us to reach God Of course, this is just a personal opinion. This explains why Sani dislikes Chandra - Chandra seeks pleasures, while Sani wants to dicipline him and teach him renunciation! And also, the effects of Rahu and Ketu on Surya - the former seeks to corrrupt the soul, but the later seeks to raise it to a higher level! Also, the "great" Guru - well, he gets Uccha in Pushya, a nakshatra owned by Sani, the graha of Vairagya! Vairagya means giving up. Guru must give up his insistence on rituals if he has to realize God! BTW, earlier, you had said: <<<I have seen some other horoscopes of people born in 1973 and having gemini lagna, ketu in lagna and jupiter in eighth. Most of them are scholars, good with languages and very interested in literature.>>> What of their religious beliefs? A study of this will be most illuminating for me personally! Regards, Balaji ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Dear Asutosh ji and Bala ji, The discussiontaking place made me also to interfere between both of you In the role play of planets the atttempt being made may be to define:fineness of religion as well as spirtualityand ascribing the planetary nature to the Guru and Ketu and to extend for purpose of discipine role saturn too has to play in either case basically a system of faith and worship is basic to religion and get absorbed in high thoughts is spirtuality. The former is more of a personal preference and the later is more abstract in nature until it is realised that spirtualism is indeed a way of approach with specific ideals. The rest of the indications normally shown and exhibited are very common and usual in visiting temples to perform regularly Gayatrijapam. Importance of these actions is more personal and are more in the nature of beliefs.beyond this linking actions of personal nature to Guru and view them as religious in nature only and doesn't enable divinity and excluding planet Guru and ascribe sprtual(beyond a point ) approach to ketu .Thus denying Guru the role of divinity is too harsh and bring in Ketu as he does not have any materialistic inclination is to deny continuity of approach.probably the interplay of all these three planets is more a judicious attempt and resolve both issues of religion and spirtualism. Planets therefore attempt in holistic way for all that is good and bad.Probably assessing capabilities of planets for specific issues and limiting them is not a way in our vedic sciences and is also certainly not the objectivity of Astrology. krishnan Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: Ashutosh ji, For a person who doesn't believe in God, your knowledge of Him is excellent! I agree with most of your points. However, instead using "religious" and "spiritual" I prefer the words "ritualistic" and "religious" A ritualistic person follows religious injunctions - does Sandyavandanam, goes to temples, etc. A religious person is concerned more about his love for God and God's love for him. Of course, they are not mutually exclusive. Some may be both, some only one. But, the religious person, the person who truly loves God, is the best. You have studied my chart and mentioned about my spiritual progress. Well, I am NOT ritualistic. I hate doing sandyavandanam because I don't see it getting me closer to God. However, I love visiting temples because I find peace and feel closer to Him. In my humble opinion, a truly religious person is one who can actually cry when contemplating on God. One tear, shed by a true devotee, is far greater than all the religious scriptures in the world. God can be realized to an extent through books, but experiencing Him can only be done at a deeply personal level. In astrology, as you say, the graha Guru, while ensuring conformance, doesn't enable divinity beyond a point. For this, one has to seek out Ketu and Sani. So, one way of looking at it could be: Surya - The soul who must reach God Chandra - The mind that must contemplate God Budha - The intelligence that must probe and question truths that lead one to God Sukra - Pleasures, which one must realize stand in the way of God realization Kuja - Energy that keeps us motivated and anger that must be shunned to reach God Guru - Conformance, which one soon realizes only goes so far in the quest for God Sani - Vairagya, which is so esential for reaching God Rahu - Materialism, which must be shunned for God realization Ketu - The Moksha Karaka, who enables us to reach God Of course, this is just a personal opinion. This explains why Sani dislikes Chandra - Chandra seeks pleasures, while Sani wants to dicipline him and teach him renunciation! And also, the effects of Rahu and Ketu on Surya - the former seeks to corrrupt the soul, but the later seeks to raise it to a higher level! Also, the "great" Guru - well, he gets Uccha in Pushya, a nakshatra owned by Sani, the graha of Vairagya! Vairagya means giving up. Guru must give up his insistence on rituals if he has to realize God! BTW, earlier, you had said: <<<I have seen some other horoscopes of people born in 1973 and having gemini lagna, ketu in lagna and jupiter in eighth. Most of them are scholars, good with languages and very interested in literature.>>> What of their religious beliefs? A study of this will be most illuminating for me personally! Regards, Balaji ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Dear Balaji, Most of the people I mentioned about are moderately religious, highly adaptive, understanding and more interested in meditations and yoga than in religious practices. They are knowledgeable about other cultures and communities. This broad minded approach has led them to learn foreign languages. Ashutosh - Balaji Narasimhan Friday, August 19, 2005 17:51 Ashutosh ji - Religion Ashutosh ji, For a person who doesn't believe in God, your knowledge of Him is excellent! I agree with most of your points. However, instead using "religious" and "spiritual" I prefer the words "ritualistic" and "religious" A ritualistic person follows religious injunctions - does Sandyavandanam, goes to temples, etc. A religious person is concerned more about his love for God and God's love for him. Of course, they are not mutually exclusive. Some may be both, some only one. But, the religious person, the person who truly loves God, is the best. You have studied my chart and mentioned about my spiritual progress. Well, I am NOT ritualistic. I hate doing sandyavandanam because I don't see it getting me closer to God. However, I love visiting temples because I find peace and feel closer to Him. In my humble opinion, a truly religious person is one who can actually cry when contemplating on God. One tear, shed by a true devotee, is far greater than all the religious scriptures in the world. God can be realized to an extent through books, but experiencing Him can only be done at a deeply personal level. In astrology, as you say, the graha Guru, while ensuring conformance, doesn't enable divinity beyond a point. For this, one has to seek out Ketu and Sani. So, one way of looking at it could be: Surya - The soul who must reach God Chandra - The mind that must contemplate God Budha - The intelligence that must probe and question truths that lead one to God Sukra - Pleasures, which one must realize stand in the way of God realization Kuja - Energy that keeps us motivated and anger that must be shunned to reach God Guru - Conformance, which one soon realizes only goes so far in the quest for God Sani - Vairagya, which is so esential for reaching God Rahu - Materialism, which must be shunned for God realization Ketu - The Moksha Karaka, who enables us to reach God Of course, this is just a personal opinion. This explains why Sani dislikes Chandra - Chandra seeks pleasures, while Sani wants to dicipline him and teach him renunciation! And also, the effects of Rahu and Ketu on Surya - the former seeks to corrrupt the soul, but the later seeks to raise it to a higher level! Also, the "great" Guru - well, he gets Uccha in Pushya, a nakshatra owned by Sani, the graha of Vairagya! Vairagya means giving up. Guru must give up his insistence on rituals if he has to realize God! BTW, earlier, you had said: <<<I have seen some other horoscopes of people born in 1973 and having gemini lagna, ketu in lagna and jupiter in eighth. Most of them are scholars, good with languages and very interested in literature.>>> What of their religious beliefs? A study of this will be most illuminating for me personally! Regards, Balaji ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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