Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Divya ji, Though your question is addressed to Ashutosh ji, let me also put my points on the table. A guru is one who teaches us. The graha Guru is losely associated here because he teaches us religion, etc. But, for real religious/spiritual progress, one needs to face some harshness. As a wise man once told me, "we choose not to learn from good times." My uncle also has an excellent quote - "one sees more through a tear than through a telescope" In this context, from a spiritual point of view, Sani/Ketu may be better gurus than the graha Guru! Continuing in the philosophical vein, Grahas are called either Subha grahas or Paapa grahas. Subha grahas like Sukra, Guru, etc "help" us and papa grahas like Sani, Ketu, etc "hamper" us. Of course, that which helps us materialistically may hinder us spiritually. So, it ultimately depends upon your point of view. For a materialistic person, Sukra is a shuba graha. But, for the seeker of religion, Sani or Ketu may be far better. In my personal opinion, from a religious point of view, Ketu is the greatest guru. This is because he is the Moksha Karaka. For a spiritual seeker - and I use "spiritual" and "religious" interchangably - there is nothing greater than Moksha. A great stotra composed by Siva in praise of Narasimha, which is a part of the Ahirbudanya Samhita of Panchararta Agama, is called the "Mantra Raja Pada Stotra" by the Skanda Purana. The Skanda Purana calls this the king of mantras because this sloka is capable of giving one Moksha and there is nothing greater than Moksha. Ironically, the fact that Guru, being a natural benefic, is incapable of giving us painful, practical lessons could mean that he is not that great a guru! Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Respected Balaji, Thanks for the beautiful explanation. Regards, Divya Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: Divya ji, Though your question is addressed to Ashutosh ji, let me also put my points on the table. A guru is one who teaches us. The graha Guru is losely associated here because he teaches us religion, etc. But, for real religious/spiritual progress, one needs to face some harshness. As a wise man once told me, "we choose not to learn from good times." My uncle also has an excellent quote - "one sees more through a tear than through a telescope" In this context, from a spiritual point of view, Sani/Ketu may be better gurus than the graha Guru! Continuing in the philosophical vein, Grahas are called either Subha grahas or Paapa grahas. Subha grahas like Sukra, Guru, etc "help" us and papa grahas like Sani, Ketu, etc "hamper" us. Of course, that which helps us materialistically may hinder us spiritually. So, it ultimately depends upon your point of view. For a materialistic person, Sukra is a shuba graha. But, for the seeker of religion, Sani or Ketu may be far better. In my personal opinion, from a religious point of view, Ketu is the greatest guru. This is because he is the Moksha Karaka. For a spiritual seeker - and I use "spiritual" and "religious" interchangably - there is nothing greater than Moksha. A great stotra composed by Siva in praise of Narasimha, which is a part of the Ahirbudanya Samhita of Panchararta Agama, is called the "Mantra Raja Pada Stotra" by the Skanda Purana. The Skanda Purana calls this the king of mantras because this sloka is capable of giving one Moksha and there is nothing greater than Moksha. Ironically, the fact that Guru, being a natural benefic, is incapable of giving us painful, practical lessons could mean that he is not that great a guru! Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Dear Mr Bala ji, A very good narration and is most apptopraite.However when we speak/refer to moksha it has nothing to religious aspects.So what you have referred as 'religious" need to be substituted by"dharma as moksha comes out of karma(for me religious is telescopic and moksha is out of tears) "In my personal opinion, from a religious point of view, Ketu is the greatest guru." Ketu may cause tears but has a benific influence but not in terms of material pursuits. where as the word benifc in the context of materialistic approach to Guru too is also not appropriate as moksha is not malefic.It is beyond any controversy to consider moksha as the most benific attainment.may be even most benific attainments also some time bring in tears as theapproaches/ ways are not easy. In my point of view, if we forget Ketu is a chaya graha and and jupiter as subha graha(not limited to materialism) that both are the greatest gurus.Some how I feel that jupiter is Deva Guru because of his qualities(to do good perenially) he possessed and also endowed qualities to find ways to solve "all problems".I think solving all problems is to work for moksha ceaselessly through our karmas and reforming them continuously without bringing in self into picture.one can attain moksha by doing good. Good is: Do not speak bad Do not hear bad Do not also see bad Theis comes out of inner reformation which is a beginning for moksha. krishnan Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: Respected Balaji, Thanks for the beautiful explanation. Regards, Divya Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: Divya ji, Though your question is addressed to Ashutosh ji, let me also put my points on the table. A guru is one who teaches us. The graha Guru is losely associated here because he teaches us religion, etc. But, for real religious/spiritual progress, one needs to face some harshness. As a wise man once told me, "we choose not to learn from good times." My uncle also has an excellent quote - "one sees more through a tear than through a telescope" In this context, from a spiritual point of view, Sani/Ketu may be better gurus than the graha Guru! Continuing in the philosophical vein, Grahas are called either Subha grahas or Paapa grahas. Subha grahas like Sukra, Guru, etc "help" us and papa grahas like Sani, Ketu, etc "hamper" us. Of course, that which helps us materialistically may hinder us spiritually. So, it ultimately depends upon your point of view. For a materialistic person, Sukra is a shuba graha. But, for the seeker of religion, Sani or Ketu may be far better. In my personal opinion, from a religious point of view, Ketu is the greatest guru. This is because he is the Moksha Karaka. For a spiritual seeker - and I use "spiritual" and "religious" interchangably - there is nothing greater than Moksha. A great stotra composed by Siva in praise of Narasimha, which is a part of the Ahirbudanya Samhita of Panchararta Agama, is called the "Mantra Raja Pada Stotra" by the Skanda Purana. The Skanda Purana calls this the king of mantras because this sloka is capable of giving one Moksha and there is nothing greater than Moksha. Ironically, the fact that Guru, being a natural benefic, is incapable of giving us painful, practical lessons could mean that he is not that great a guru! Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Dear Balaji, Well said and beautifully explained. I will add some of my thoughts. Religion is a set of rituals which are to be followed in daily life plus some divinity thrown in. An entity like a god or a deity is a pre-requisite for any religion. All religions have began as spiritual sects, but ended up becoming a system of rituals. Buddhism, Jainism, Islam, Christianity, all have gone the same way. All religions have two parts- rituals and spirituality. There are those who simply practise the rituals and think that they have done their part. Some, but only a few, follow both. For example, sufi saints are spiritual people not religious ones. A temple priest is religious, but a sage or a yogi is spiritual. A non-religious but spiritual life can be led very effortlessly. Spiritual life involves no outwards appearance changes, no harsh traditions and practices and no discriminations. A yogi eats only when he is hungry and sleeps when he feels like sleeping. He follows no rules and no boundaries. A spiritual person will study the philosophies of Buddha, Jesus, Krishna and Zarathustra with equal attention and a clear perspective. He is not burdened with thoughts of divinity and holiness. Everything is important and yet negligible to him at the same time. Being athiest is not a necessity for being spiritual He observes and praises the beauty of nature but with the acceptance of the fact that all beauty is fragile and destructible. Jupiter is karak for laws, rituals, traditions, divinity and holiness. It leaves no space for questions. It demands a blind following of the prescribed faith. Therefore, mercury, the one with inquisitive mind, is considered enemical to jupiter. Ketu is the moksha karak one. Moksha can be achieved only when no desires are left, not even the desire for moksha itself. It is the one which is in inertia, either still or in perpetual motion. It seeks nothing and is emotionally attached to nothing. Saturn is the one without emotions. It is the ultimate judge. While venus and jupiter advocate their own beliefs, saturn chooses only the right path neglecting all traditions. Jupiter is not always right. It is benefic but for only those who follow its dictates. It is usefull for surviving in a society and a group, but not for an individual's spiritual progress. Ashutosh - Balaji Narasimhan Thursday, August 18, 2005 15:11 Divya ji - About Guru Divya ji, Though your question is addressed to Ashutosh ji, let me also put my points on the table. A guru is one who teaches us. The graha Guru is losely associated here because he teaches us religion, etc. But, for real religious/spiritual progress, one needs to face some harshness. As a wise man once told me, "we choose not to learn from good times." My uncle also has an excellent quote - "one sees more through a tear than through a telescope" In this context, from a spiritual point of view, Sani/Ketu may be better gurus than the graha Guru! Continuing in the philosophical vein, Grahas are called either Subha grahas or Paapa grahas. Subha grahas like Sukra, Guru, etc "help" us and papa grahas like Sani, Ketu, etc "hamper" us. Of course, that which helps us materialistically may hinder us spiritually. So, it ultimately depends upon your point of view. For a materialistic person, Sukra is a shuba graha. But, for the seeker of religion, Sani or Ketu may be far better. In my personal opinion, from a religious point of view, Ketu is the greatest guru. This is because he is the Moksha Karaka. For a spiritual seeker - and I use "spiritual" and "religious" interchangably - there is nothing greater than Moksha. A great stotra composed by Siva in praise of Narasimha, which is a part of the Ahirbudanya Samhita of Panchararta Agama, is called the "Mantra Raja Pada Stotra" by the Skanda Purana. The Skanda Purana calls this the king of mantras because this sloka is capable of giving one Moksha and there is nothing greater than Moksha. Ironically, the fact that Guru, being a natural benefic, is incapable of giving us painful, practical lessons could mean that he is not that great a guru! Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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