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Dear Gurujans !!

 

In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a child. I

have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and time

in which the operation to be undertaken.

 

These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate of the

soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

 

Regards

Sridhar

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Dear Ashwin,

 

Many of my clients have tried this. But, the nature gives

them a slip always. Either the labour pains start much before the prescribed

time or some other problem like unavailability of Operating room or surgeons

comes up.

 

The child is always born when it is destined to be born. We cannot

control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these two is controllable and

prediactable to some extent but not fully.

 

Ashutosh

 

 

-

ashwin_062k

Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

Cesearian Birth !!

 

 

Dear Gurujans !!

 

In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a child. I

have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and time

in which the operation to be undertaken.

 

These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate of the

soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

 

Regards

Sridhar

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ashutoshji

 

Thanks for your comments and indeed we cannot control birth or death.

 

You have predicted some job change for me ! infact I started to get

calls from different people for offers. Recently I got a call from a

company in Jordan where they are asking me to fly down to their

country for interview. It seems that they are interested in taking

me. Can I take this offer or shall I wait for a better offer from a

better country. Some how I am not comfortable with working in Jordan.

 

My birth details"

 

DOB : 17-10-1967

TOB : 01.25 am

Place : Chennai, India

 

 

 

, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Ashwin,

>

> Many of my clients have tried this. But, the

nature gives them a slip always. Either the labour pains start much

before the prescribed time or some other problem like unavailability

of Operating room or surgeons comes up.

>

> The child is always born when it is destined to be born. We

cannot control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these two is

controllable and prediactable to some extent but not fully.

>

>

Ashutosh

>

>

> -

> ashwin_062k

>

> Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

> Cesearian Birth !!

>

>

> Dear Gurujans !!

>

> In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

child. I

> have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and

time

> in which the operation to be undertaken.

>

> These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

> predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate

of the

> soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

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software

>

>

> --

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>

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> b..

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> c.. Terms

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Dear friend,

 

May look funny, but the caerasean births are AYONI JANMA and astro-

classical texts

deal with great details. Also there are astro-dictum available for

judging FORCED birth.

There are also great details in astro-classical texts

describing 'shastra ghaata' to

the mother while a native is born ie use of a weapon at birth.

Besides, there is a wonderful DEFINITION of 'birth' according sages:

 

kritevAdhAnalagnam tu tretAyAm puMsavanam(jalodayam) tathA |

dvApare shIrshodayam syAt kalau bhUpatanam smr.tam ||

 

which means:

The Lagna defining the time of birth shall correspond to conception

in KritaYuga,

pumsavana process(some say jalodaya = burst of water bag around the

baby) in TretaYuga,

the rise of HEAD(or body in general) of the baby at birth in

DvaparaYuga and

the GROUND-TOUCH of the baby in KaliYuga ie now.

How genius were they to anticipate techno advances!

 

So, even now, in kaliyuga, in which caesarean birth are becoming more

in number, still

the dictum is clear and holds good! Whether the birth is natural(even

if it is unnatural or supernatural)

a birth is a BIRTH now only at the ground-touch moment of the baby,

astrologically!

Ground here is EARTHY existence and is not to be confused with real

sand or land touching the baby.

 

Hope I am clear!

yours

KAD

 

 

 

, "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k> wrote:

> Dear Gurujans !!

>

> In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

child. I

> have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and

time

> in which the operation to be undertaken.

>

> These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

> predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate of

the

> soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

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Absolutely right!

The birth of baby is pre-decided at conception and not at selected

caesarean surgery.

Time of conception or nisheka is a key time-stamp wrt birth and the

life os a native.

That is why, parashara devotes some verses to calculate NISHEKA LAGNA

from janma lagna!

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Ashwin,

>

> Many of my clients have tried this. But, the

nature gives them a slip always. Either the labour pains start much

before the prescribed time or some other problem like unavailability

of Operating room or surgeons comes up.

>

> The child is always born when it is destined to be born. We

cannot control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these two is

controllable and prediactable to some extent but not fully.

>

>

Ashutosh

>

>

> -

> ashwin_062k

>

> Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

> Cesearian Birth !!

>

>

> Dear Gurujans !!

>

> In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

child. I

> have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and

time

> in which the operation to be undertaken.

>

> These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

> predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate

of the

> soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

software

>

>

> --

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>

>

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> b..

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dear friends

 

as the member fraternity expressed, no astrologer can authoratively give a date

of birth for the baby in the womb. the child would land on the earth only when

he or she is destined to by god.

 

however, a deep insight in the horoscope of the mother can reveal whether the

child would survive or not, whether it would be a premature delivery, wheter it

would be cesearian or normal delivery, the health of baby and mother etc. etc.

but nowhere i come across how to read the date.

 

since so much research has gone into this vedic science by expert computer

professionals and genuii, i would be grateful if any member astrologer share his

knowledge on predicting the date of child birth.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

Absolutely right!

The birth of baby is pre-decided at conception and not at selected

caesarean surgery.

Time of conception or nisheka is a key time-stamp wrt birth and the

life os a native.

That is why, parashara devotes some verses to calculate NISHEKA LAGNA

from janma lagna!

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Ashwin,

>

> Many of my clients have tried this. But, the

nature gives them a slip always. Either the labour pains start much

before the prescribed time or some other problem like unavailability

of Operating room or surgeons comes up.

>

> The child is always born when it is destined to be born. We

cannot control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these two is

controllable and prediactable to some extent but not fully.

>

>

Ashutosh

>

>

> -

> ashwin_062k

>

> Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

> Cesearian Birth !!

>

>

> Dear Gurujans !!

>

> In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

child. I

> have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and

time

> in which the operation to be undertaken.

>

> These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

> predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate

of the

> soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

software

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> b..

>

>

> c.. Terms

of Service.

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear KAD,

 

These days , even conception time in case of test tube baby procedure can be

changed as per wish of the doctors, so one will have to figure out how the

conventional rules of astrology in which a natural conception and delivery is

assumed , should be applied in such cases.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

-

kadrudra

Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:43 AM

Re: Cesearian Birth !!

 

 

Absolutely right!

The birth of baby is pre-decided at conception and not at selected

caesarean surgery.

Time of conception or nisheka is a key time-stamp wrt birth and the

life os a native.

That is why, parashara devotes some verses to calculate NISHEKA LAGNA

from janma lagna!

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Ashwin,

>

> Many of my clients have tried this. But, the

nature gives them a slip always. Either the labour pains start much

before the prescribed time or some other problem like unavailability

of Operating room or surgeons comes up.

>

> The child is always born when it is destined to be born. We

cannot control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these two is

controllable and prediactable to some extent but not fully.

>

>

Ashutosh

>

>

> -

> ashwin_062k

>

> Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

> Cesearian Birth !!

>

>

> Dear Gurujans !!

>

> In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

child. I

> have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and

time

> in which the operation to be undertaken.

>

> These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

> predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate

of the

> soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

software

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> b..

>

>

> c.. Terms

of Service.

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

 

b..

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear friends,

 

There are two events in life which can never be predicted, birth and

death. You may make all plans thro surgery etc , with best

techniques, nature will take its own course. I have seen many such

cases.

Hypothetical cases can be answered hypothetically.Mind is like a

monkey,cannot be controlled. A simple issue like correct time of

birth was examined in another group.After all the detailed computer

calculations/evaluations,it revealed you can be right only around

85%. Remember this group contains stalwarts in the field for over 25

years,

Even gender determination is a tricky exercise.

 

Realty check on recent cases can be evaluated,by those who have

documented proofs. I would like to be enlightened and would be

grateful.

 

Best wishes

 

Satish

 

 

-- In , arjun pandit

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

> dear friends

>

> as the member fraternity expressed, no astrologer can authoratively

give a date of birth for the baby in the womb. the child would land

on the earth only when he or she is destined to by god.

>

> however, a deep insight in the horoscope of the mother can reveal

whether the child would survive or not, whether it would be a

premature delivery, wheter it would be cesearian or normal delivery,

the health of baby and mother etc. etc. but nowhere i come across how

to read the date.

>

> since so much research has gone into this vedic science by expert

computer professionals and genuii, i would be grateful if any member

astrologer share his knowledge on predicting the date of child birth.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Absolutely right!

> The birth of baby is pre-decided at conception and not at selected

> caesarean surgery.

> Time of conception or nisheka is a key time-stamp wrt birth and the

> life os a native.

> That is why, parashara devotes some verses to calculate NISHEKA

LAGNA

> from janma lagna!

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

> , "Astrologer Ashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Ashwin,

> >

> > Many of my clients have tried this. But, the

> nature gives them a slip always. Either the labour pains start much

> before the prescribed time or some other problem like

unavailability

> of Operating room or surgeons comes up.

> >

> > The child is always born when it is destined to be born.

We

> cannot control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these two

is

> controllable and prediactable to some extent but not fully.

> >

>

>

> Ashutosh

> >

> >

> > -

> > ashwin_062k

> >

> > Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

> > Cesearian Birth !!

> >

> >

> > Dear Gurujans !!

> >

> > In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> > cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

> child. I

> > have come across few cases where parents even decide the date

and

> time

> > in which the operation to be undertaken.

> >

> > These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness

of

> > predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the

fate

> of the

> > soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

> software

> >

> >

> >

--

> ----------

> >

> >

> > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > b..

> >

> >

> > c.. Terms

> of Service.

> >

> >

> >

--

> ----------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

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Yes! That is why BHOOPATANA KAALA or the ground touch is to be taken

in this KALIYUGA,

instead of garbhaadhaana Lagna. Sages were wise enough to guess all

these things....

 

Test tube baby is not a new concept to vedic culture, as

there are cases of external fertilization found in Vedic history like

Sage Agastya,DronAcharya,

Lord KumAra or ShaNmukha and so on...

 

regards

KAD

 

 

 

, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear KAD,

>

> These days , even conception time in case of test tube baby

procedure can be changed as per wish of the doctors, so one will have

to figure out how the conventional rules of astrology in which a

natural conception and delivery is assumed , should be applied in

such cases.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> kadrudra

>

> Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:43 AM

> Re: Cesearian Birth !!

>

>

> Absolutely right!

> The birth of baby is pre-decided at conception and not at

selected

> caesarean surgery.

> Time of conception or nisheka is a key time-stamp wrt birth and

the

> life os a native.

> That is why, parashara devotes some verses to calculate NISHEKA

LAGNA

> from janma lagna!

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

> , "Astrologer Ashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Ashwin,

> >

> > Many of my clients have tried this. But, the

> nature gives them a slip always. Either the labour pains start

much

> before the prescribed time or some other problem like

unavailability

> of Operating room or surgeons comes up.

> >

> > The child is always born when it is destined to be

born. We

> cannot control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these

two is

> controllable and prediactable to some extent but not fully.

> >

>

>

> Ashutosh

> >

> >

> > -

> > ashwin_062k

> >

> > Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

> > Cesearian Birth !!

> >

> >

> > Dear Gurujans !!

> >

> > In the present day moden world with technological

advancement,

> > cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

> child. I

> > have come across few cases where parents even decide the date

and

> time

> > in which the operation to be undertaken.

> >

> > These things rises a question in my mind about the

correctness of

> > predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the

fate

> of the

> > soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

> software

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------

----

> ----------

> >

> >

> > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > b..

> >

> >

> > c..

Terms

> of Service.

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------

----

> ----------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> b..

>

>

> c.. Terms

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>

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> --

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Hi,

 

Would like to add a small comment to this...

 

Whatever time and place a child is born is the time and place the

child is supposed to be born on ....

 

My belief is that Nature/Destiny/Divinity/Planets/ etc have given the

parents the thought of when and how the child should be born..

 

And a pointer of this is the great concept of "Nimitta" ..

 

My two cents..

 

Regards,

Hemant

 

, "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k> wrote:

> Dear Gurujans !!

>

> In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

child. I

> have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and

time

> in which the operation to be undertaken.

>

> These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

> predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate of

the

> soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

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Dear Ashwin,

 

A bird in hand is better than two in the bush. Go for this

job. You will find it more satisfying than what you are imagining it to be.

 

Ashutosh

 

 

-

ashwin_062k

Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:32

Re: Cesearian Birth !!

 

 

Dear Ashutoshji

 

Thanks for your comments and indeed we cannot control birth or death.

 

You have predicted some job change for me ! infact I started to get

calls from different people for offers. Recently I got a call from a

company in Jordan where they are asking me to fly down to their

country for interview. It seems that they are interested in taking

me. Can I take this offer or shall I wait for a better offer from a

better country. Some how I am not comfortable with working in Jordan.

 

My birth details"

 

DOB : 17-10-1967

TOB : 01.25 am

Place : Chennai, India

 

 

 

, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Ashwin,

>

> Many of my clients have tried this. But, the

nature gives them a slip always. Either the labour pains start much

before the prescribed time or some other problem like unavailability

of Operating room or surgeons comes up.

>

> The child is always born when it is destined to be born. We

cannot control birth and death. Whatever lies in between these two is

controllable and prediactable to some extent but not fully.

>

>

Ashutosh

>

>

> -

> ashwin_062k

>

> Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:31

> Cesearian Birth !!

>

>

> Dear Gurujans !!

>

> In the present day moden world with technological advancement,

> cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a

child. I

> have come across few cases where parents even decide the date and

time

> in which the operation to be undertaken.

>

> These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness of

> predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the fate

of the

> soul which is pre-defined by HIM.

>

> Regards

> Sridhar

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

software

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> b..

>

>

> c.. Terms

of Service.

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

 

b..

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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