Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear friends Firstly i wish you all a very happy independence day of this great nation Bharat. As Tanvirji encouraged to share knowledge, here I put the meaning of our country Bharat to sharing of knowledge. Bha means light (knowledge) and Rata means devoted i.e. Bharata means "devoted to light". Since light alone can dispel darkness, similarly knowledge alone can dispel agnana andhakar. So sacred and holy is the meaning of our country where we are all blessed to born. Many countries names do not have any meanings at all. For example, many Americans as well as Indians living in that dream country (USA) are not aware of the real meaning of America. The old natives of USA wrongly credited the discovery of their greant country to an Italian Amerigo Vespucci. Since the italian pronounciation was difficult, it was named America. It is a pity that they still decided not to change that even though their country's name has no meaning to convey at all. Also these days many books have been written by new age (most famous) astrologers and also several modern astrologers who innovated new softwares making learning of astrology an easy science with a system approach. However, they are treated as inventors of astrology or discoverers of astrology. The roots of astrology goes like this. The sages thousands of years ago gifted feely without any patent or personal brandname attached, various holy scriptures. To understand the four Vedas and the four Upavedas, eight auxilliary sciences are also to be learnt which are common to all the Vedas. these are Siksa (pronounciation), Jyotish (astronomy & astrology), chandas (prosody), nirukta (lexicology and etymology), kalpa (ritual rles), vyakaran (grammer), nyaya (statute) and mimamsa (hermeneutics). Astrology has been gifted by sages time immemorial as part of the Vedas. one can only make it simpler to understand but cannot invent or discover or take credit for himself. With best wishes for learning this great holy scripture more and spreading the knowledge arjun Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Hi Arjun Ji, Helping needy mankind and sharing knowledge - both are among the prime objectives of this forum. Sharing of knowledge and discussing concepts will not hamper advising with remedies and predictions - both types of discussions will go same time. There is no point to narrow down the scope of forum. Rather it will depend upon the members being interested and able to participate in such discussions. I agree with your view that 3rd house isnt a malefic one (unlike 6th, 8th etc.) and I also add 11th house here. Also I generally observe that the 12th house is not as much malefic as 6th and 8th. Sometimes 6th seems more malefic than the 8th, and something 8th seems more malefic than 6th. But most of the times 8th is more serious malefic. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - arjun pandit Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:09 PM astrology lessons - angel goel dear friend you have successfully transformed this group into a knowledge sharing exercise amongs the member fraternity with your never ending queries. the best part of this group, mainly because of the contributing members, is the agreement even while disagreeing with one another's observations. as my brother satish said once, the more we learn, we learn that what we learnt is so little. earlier few members used to prove that their viewpoint is correct but are no longer active or have gone out of the group. so only the good ones are left in the group. appreciating what krishnanji wrote, i read moksha also from the 4th house besides 6th, 8th and 12th houses. though many consider 3rd house a bad house, i do not find it that bad. earlier astrologer used to mostly depend on divine grace or intuition (clairovyance) and less on charts. but because of the systerms approach and scientific based preictive methodology, these days astrologers have become like weathermen. when the meteorology department itself (thousands of crores of rupees spent every year) even with several spaceships is failing in its predictions, we can imagine the accuracy of the predictions made by computer charts. when i was a child i was amzaed how the weight machine with colourful lamps on a railway platform can print my future prediction on the reverse of the weight card just for 50 paise. this mail is just to thank all fellow members in sharing their knowledge which should be appreciated and they shall be respected for their knowledge sharing. in case any member needs specific clarifications on any specific reading, i am more than willing to share the same, even while considering myself at learning stage till my last breath. however, since this group is more interested in increasing the fortunes and averting the misfortunes of the natives, let us all focus more on advising suitable remedies which are counter productive. with best wishes arjun SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Tanvir ji, Talking abour degrees of malific nature,what is important is the life's mission and objective.From this angle I feel:"6th seems more malefic than the 8th" is not entirely a realistic way of looking at the various events. >From lagna to 7th covers child hood to maariage and from 7th to 12th is usually post marriage stage leading to family,contentment and old age and finally a day to call of the satge. As some body was mentioning in the group 6th is also linked to career and ofcourse diseases and debts etc. sandwiched between 6th and 8th is 7th where in a stage every body looks for a happy marital association and progress there on. At that stage the 8th house also known as house of mangalya for the spouse and most importantly ;ayush of a native is delineated and also matters relating to inheritance etc.This house has many more that are difficult to be unfolded and some time even the knowledgeable the house which is 12th to house of fortune(9th house) takes away all efforts that made for improvement of bhagya are also consumed through this house. At the point of 8th house one enters into a very crucial phase of life where consolidation of efforts are seen and feels a kind of beginning for his confidence to grow and give moral courage to take the battle further.such is the nature of 8th house and importance that always remains in clouds.The secret nature of this secret house may be difficult to be resolved. When it comes to 12th there is little where any individual can do except to look back from the arm chair and prepare himself for his adieu to the life. If 6th initiates the stage for change in orientation of life it is the 8th that has to resolve.may be with the support coming from a life partner and get rewards there on. This comparitive out look is very complex and makes the degrees more infavour of 8th.I feel this perspective is universalif we devide the natal chart in to two halves and review the position. Even in Astaka varga also we tend recieve bindu or benific points from 7th to 12 th are more crucial for life. As a chlid one was dependent on parents and we grow them only to see that they make life and from 8th onward we make a beginning again ultimately looking for retirement from the scene. The importance of 6th,7th and 8th in any body's life is so much.it makes some times most difficult to find which is most difficult of life.It is not that my intention is to ignore 12th and is ceratinly important but the stage has already been set to be happy or not. Looking from these various stages involved in life 3rd and 11th provide most crucial inputs that are essential by way of communication,courage(3rd H) and 11th(resources /earnings) that badly is in need of. we only resolve the benific and malefic nature of these various houses from our own experiences and understandings krishnan arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote: Dear friends Firstly i wish you all a very happy independence day of this great nation Bharat. As Tanvirji encouraged to share knowledge, here I put the meaning of our country Bharat to sharing of knowledge. Bha means light (knowledge) and Rata means devoted i.e. Bharata means "devoted to light". Since light alone can dispel darkness, similarly knowledge alone can dispel agnana andhakar. So sacred and holy is the meaning of our country where we are all blessed to born. Many countries names do not have any meanings at all. For example, many Americans as well as Indians living in that dream country (USA) are not aware of the real meaning of America. The old natives of USA wrongly credited the discovery of their greant country to an Italian Amerigo Vespucci. Since the italian pronounciation was difficult, it was named America. It is a pity that they still decided not to change that even though their country's name has no meaning to convey at all. Also these days many books have been written by new age (most famous) astrologers and also several modern astrologers who innovated new softwares making learning of astrology an easy science with a system approach. However, they are treated as inventors of astrology or discoverers of astrology. The roots of astrology goes like this. The sages thousands of years ago gifted feely without any patent or personal brandname attached, various holy scriptures. To understand the four Vedas and the four Upavedas, eight auxilliary sciences are also to be learnt which are common to all the Vedas. these are Siksa (pronounciation), Jyotish (astronomy & astrology), chandas (prosody), nirukta (lexicology and etymology), kalpa (ritual rles), vyakaran (grammer), nyaya (statute) and mimamsa (hermeneutics). Astrology has been gifted by sages time immemorial as part of the Vedas. one can only make it simpler to understand but cannot invent or discover or take credit for himself. With best wishes for learning this great holy scripture more and spreading the knowledge arjun Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Hi Arjun Ji, Helping needy mankind and sharing knowledge - both are among the prime objectives of this forum. Sharing of knowledge and discussing concepts will not hamper advising with remedies and predictions - both types of discussions will go same time. There is no point to narrow down the scope of forum. Rather it will depend upon the members being interested and able to participate in such discussions. I agree with your view that 3rd house isnt a malefic one (unlike 6th, 8th etc.) and I also add 11th house here. Also I generally observe that the 12th house is not as much malefic as 6th and 8th. Sometimes 6th seems more malefic than the 8th, and something 8th seems more malefic than 6th. But most of the times 8th is more serious malefic. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - arjun pandit Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:09 PM astrology lessons - angel goel dear friend you have successfully transformed this group into a knowledge sharing exercise amongs the member fraternity with your never ending queries. the best part of this group, mainly because of the contributing members, is the agreement even while disagreeing with one another's observations. as my brother satish said once, the more we learn, we learn that what we learnt is so little. earlier few members used to prove that their viewpoint is correct but are no longer active or have gone out of the group. so only the good ones are left in the group. appreciating what krishnanji wrote, i read moksha also from the 4th house besides 6th, 8th and 12th houses. though many consider 3rd house a bad house, i do not find it that bad. earlier astrologer used to mostly depend on divine grace or intuition (clairovyance) and less on charts. but because of the systerms approach and scientific based preictive methodology, these days astrologers have become like weathermen. when the meteorology department itself (thousands of crores of rupees spent every year) even with several spaceships is failing in its predictions, we can imagine the accuracy of the predictions made by computer charts. when i was a child i was amzaed how the weight machine with colourful lamps on a railway platform can print my future prediction on the reverse of the weight card just for 50 paise. this mail is just to thank all fellow members in sharing their knowledge which should be appreciated and they shall be respected for their knowledge sharing. in case any member needs specific clarifications on any specific reading, i am more than willing to share the same, even while considering myself at learning stage till my last breath. however, since this group is more interested in increasing the fortunes and averting the misfortunes of the natives, let us all focus more on advising suitable remedies which are counter productive. with best wishes arjun SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Asutosh ji, Absolutely true when you say:"Astrology has been gifted by sages time immemorial as part of the Vedas. one can only make it simpler to understand but cannot invent or discover or take credit for himself" The message indeed has to go into every body's mind and feel that what ever way we contribute for furthring these aspects of Vedas is only a very small gesture.Futurology has no time limits and goes on. I sincerely convey my thanks and sincere greeting for dedicating ourselves for such a noble cause krishnan arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote: Dear friends Firstly i wish you all a very happy independence day of this great nation Bharat. As Tanvirji encouraged to share knowledge, here I put the meaning of our country Bharat to sharing of knowledge. Bha means light (knowledge) and Rata means devoted i.e. Bharata means "devoted to light". Since light alone can dispel darkness, similarly knowledge alone can dispel agnana andhakar. So sacred and holy is the meaning of our country where we are all blessed to born. Many countries names do not have any meanings at all. For example, many Americans as well as Indians living in that dream country (USA) are not aware of the real meaning of America. The old natives of USA wrongly credited the discovery of their greant country to an Italian Amerigo Vespucci. Since the italian pronounciation was difficult, it was named America. It is a pity that they still decided not to change that even though their country's name has no meaning to convey at all. Also these days many books have been written by new age (most famous) astrologers and also several modern astrologers who innovated new softwares making learning of astrology an easy science with a system approach. However, they are treated as inventors of astrology or discoverers of astrology. The roots of astrology goes like this. The sages thousands of years ago gifted feely without any patent or personal brandname attached, various holy scriptures. To understand the four Vedas and the four Upavedas, eight auxilliary sciences are also to be learnt which are common to all the Vedas. these are Siksa (pronounciation), Jyotish (astronomy & astrology), chandas (prosody), nirukta (lexicology and etymology), kalpa (ritual rles), vyakaran (grammer), nyaya (statute) and mimamsa (hermeneutics). Astrology has been gifted by sages time immemorial as part of the Vedas. one can only make it simpler to understand but cannot invent or discover or take credit for himself. With best wishes for learning this great holy scripture more and spreading the knowledge arjun Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Hi Arjun Ji, Helping needy mankind and sharing knowledge - both are among the prime objectives of this forum. Sharing of knowledge and discussing concepts will not hamper advising with remedies and predictions - both types of discussions will go same time. There is no point to narrow down the scope of forum. Rather it will depend upon the members being interested and able to participate in such discussions. I agree with your view that 3rd house isnt a malefic one (unlike 6th, 8th etc.) and I also add 11th house here. Also I generally observe that the 12th house is not as much malefic as 6th and 8th. Sometimes 6th seems more malefic than the 8th, and something 8th seems more malefic than 6th. But most of the times 8th is more serious malefic. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - arjun pandit Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:09 PM astrology lessons - angel goel dear friend you have successfully transformed this group into a knowledge sharing exercise amongs the member fraternity with your never ending queries. the best part of this group, mainly because of the contributing members, is the agreement even while disagreeing with one another's observations. as my brother satish said once, the more we learn, we learn that what we learnt is so little. earlier few members used to prove that their viewpoint is correct but are no longer active or have gone out of the group. so only the good ones are left in the group. appreciating what krishnanji wrote, i read moksha also from the 4th house besides 6th, 8th and 12th houses. though many consider 3rd house a bad house, i do not find it that bad. earlier astrologer used to mostly depend on divine grace or intuition (clairovyance) and less on charts. but because of the systerms approach and scientific based preictive methodology, these days astrologers have become like weathermen. when the meteorology department itself (thousands of crores of rupees spent every year) even with several spaceships is failing in its predictions, we can imagine the accuracy of the predictions made by computer charts. when i was a child i was amzaed how the weight machine with colourful lamps on a railway platform can print my future prediction on the reverse of the weight card just for 50 paise. this mail is just to thank all fellow members in sharing their knowledge which should be appreciated and they shall be respected for their knowledge sharing. in case any member needs specific clarifications on any specific reading, i am more than willing to share the same, even while considering myself at learning stage till my last breath. however, since this group is more interested in increasing the fortunes and averting the misfortunes of the natives, let us all focus more on advising suitable remedies which are counter productive. with best wishes arjun SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Shri Tanvir Ji, It was interesting to reflect on some of your advices and the platform you have extended is most benificial in case we are able to spread and disseminate the knowledge. If vedas happens to be repositories their preservation and use through modern age and techniques is a very important obligation to be taken sincerely and promoted. while we were thinking of good and bad houses and relativity,I came across some article from where I could gather and place below for information and the links that provides to our vedic sciences Even I remember sometime back Mr.mark Kincaid referring to vedic Psychology as derived from Vedic Astrology.The relevance of the ancient wisdom built by munivars and rishis has an eternal importance. may be in this context the following may be of interest to the group Shakespeare writes of the seven ages of man. Perhaps because the famous lines are spoken by the melancholy Jacques, they’re not optimistic. Starting with "mewling and puking" in infancy, Shakespeare takes us through the aging process, from "whining" youth to the "round belly" of middle age, only to end with the "second childishness" of old age. Work is important, but young men shouldn’t let it displace family and friends by middle age the average guy has indeed acquired the round belly that Shakespeare predicted. focus on all the good things in your past and keep looking for good things in your present — and future you are lucky enough to grow older and wiser than most, consider ways to share your insights with younger generations. Men who have reached the top and like it there should stay involved, aiming for a graceful transition as they give up power but retain (or expand) their influence. Note: forwarded message attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Krishnan Ji, I agree that it is not always realistic to measure this way because it is also a matter how the native perceives the events and how he takes all these. This matters. As an example getting a job worth $ 50,000 per anum is great for some people but for some people born in veyr rich background it is no compensation for their time and labour. I agree. However some general things are always there, (in my humble opinion) for two reasons - (1) Planets also impose the feeling on a people how he takes the situation and how he perceives it. (In my view/experience.) In above job example it has to do with in what kind of financial status he was born in (seen from chart) and what his mentality is (again chart). Most important to note that our perceptions and even reactions are also controlled very much by the planets. If a malefic period can simply be outdone by a natives perception that "Well this is just fine!" then basically the planet fails, and it never happens. Planets also make the feeling / perception as they want. I know many would not agree about above (Like Mark) but this has been my experience. Also I always note (and mention in discussion) that our fate that we can hint from the chart depends a lot on our own reaction as well. Sometimes we get angry on small matters and this helps building up the situation that is written there in the chart. My relationship is past which reserves some pain in my mind (when I remember it), I cannot do anything about it. A very strong remedy would let me discover facts I did not know and thus make me feel better and have less pain. However, remedies can seldom be that strong / seldom that uncommonly strong remedies can be found. (Bec the nature cannot give this key to anyone, it must have a balance). But then, with normally strong remedies, I also find that I "FEEL" and "REALIZE" (by recalling past / analyzing) that the relationship was not that bad and thus I feel less pain. So it also controls my reaction and perception. THIS IS ALWAYS VERY TRUE and this is a way remedies work, through changing perception. Recently I gave someone a mantra and first few days he said he watches no effects, then after some 15 days he reported that he is now sure that the days he does mantras, he feels sore about his past relationship recalling so many negative things. Other days, he doesnt. The most common mantra I always practice is one that addresses my 6L. This is a very great scope to see how all our reactions are controlled. Before I learnt true approach to mantras, the mantra always fired back more or less, mostly with arguments with ppl (6L). And as much I wanted to avoid it, as much I realized how bounded I, and everyone were (are). It was visible how people misbehave me / treats me with unfair policies causing the arguments (when I did mantras). Their free will were controlled. I tried a lot not to engage in arguments and pass it over head, but then, next time it would be more serious compelling me to engage! I noted with surprise that sometimes my own reaction creates a tension in the situation out of nothing, thus causing the argument. Later when I stopped mantras, I used to find that the situation was just out of nothing and just for my own misunderstanding the whole argument happened. So the native himself, and the environment, both contribute to a situation. Sometimes I would have very determined to tolerate whatever, and I remember such a day when I determined like this and then a man who was jogging pushed me / hit me of all sudden though I was just calmly walking along the road ! I didnt say anything, but the 6H effect was already there! Sometimes you contribute to the situation, but sometimes you just act as an element. And in broader sense, we all ar elements, contributing in a set drama. (2) The second point is that, a general good thing is good in general more or less for everyone. I have mentioned earlier in another post that though my main aim abt Narayana Mantra is not good diet, but I always find myself automatically having healthy diet while doing the mantra. I rarely take eggs, milks, fruits - even if I try, I cannot. But with mantras, I can easily take them. It shows that though I cannot tolerate the taste of egg, but with mantras, I can tolerate the taste easily. Bec egg is needed for health, so it makes me take it. (Well the vegetarian people is another topic.) Shiva mantra is what I need to do very carefully otherwise it isnt pronounced perfectly and any imperfection is a lot harm for me. I have seen that when I do shiva mantra without perfection - it makes me take a lot of junk foods such as 4-5 cups of coffee, sweets with heavy fat ingredients, etc etc. Basically I find these items ready before me on those days and I also have an interest to take them. But it basically shows that bad thing is always bad, for taking much coffee etc. is bad, and even though I like the taste and like to drink it, but it is caused by an imperfect practice of mantras. A lot of example can be given that you and other members already know. A wicked person might like to do something sick and have pleasure this way, but thats still a wicked thing and caused by wicked planetary combinations. So in my view, it depends on the perception but the perfection is again caused by the planets and then, some general things also stand true and mixing all these, the effects build our fate/destiny. Thus a general observation can be easily made regarding "Either 6L or 8L makes natives suffer more" this is again a VERY GENERAL observation for each chart is unique, but still it can be seen. With best wishes, Tanvir. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - vattem krishnan Monday, August 15, 2005 2:41 PM Re: happy independence day of Bharat Dear Tanvir ji, Talking abour degrees of malific nature,what is important is the life's mission and objective.From this angle I feel:"6th seems more malefic than the 8th" is not entirely a realistic way of looking at the various events. From lagna to 7th covers child hood to maariage and from 7th to 12th is usually post marriage stage leading to family,contentment and old age and finally a day to call of the satge. As some body was mentioning in the group 6th is also linked to career and ofcourse diseases and debts etc. sandwiched between 6th and 8th is 7th where in a stage every body looks for a happy marital association and progress there on. At that stage the 8th house also known as house of mangalya for the spouse and most importantly ;ayush of a native is delineated and also matters relating to inheritance etc.This house has many more that are difficult to be unfolded and some time even the knowledgeable the house which is 12th to house of fortune(9th house) takes away all efforts that made for improvement of bhagya are also consumed through this house. At the point of 8th house one enters into a very crucial phase of life where consolidation of efforts are seen and feels a kind of beginning for his confidence to grow and give moral courage to take the battle further.such is the nature of 8th house and importance that always remains in clouds.The secret nature of this secret house may be difficult to be resolved. When it comes to 12th there is little where any individual can do except to look back from the arm chair and prepare himself for his adieu to the life. If 6th initiates the stage for change in orientation of life it is the 8th that has to resolve.may be with the support coming from a life partner and get rewards there on. This comparitive out look is very complex and makes the degrees more infavour of 8th.I feel this perspective is universalif we devide the natal chart in to two halves and review the position. Even in Astaka varga also we tend recieve bindu or benific points from 7th to 12 th are more crucial for life. As a chlid one was dependent on parents and we grow them only to see that they make life and from 8th onward we make a beginning again ultimately looking for retirement from the scene. The importance of 6th,7th and 8th in any body's life is so much.it makes some times most difficult to find which is most difficult of life.It is not that my intention is to ignore 12th and is ceratinly important but the stage has already been set to be happy or not. Looking from these various stages involved in life 3rd and 11th provide most crucial inputs that are essential by way of communication,courage(3rd H) and 11th(resources /earnings) that badly is in need of. we only resolve the benific and malefic nature of these various houses from our own experiences and understandings krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Krishnan Ji, I personally do not follow dictums like 7th house is upto marriage and after that houses are for after marriage life. Because father is always there in life even before marriage though the house is 9th/10th (comes after 7th) rather all the times we see a native gets his father for smaller period after his marriage as the father gets old and leaves away. Also does it mean there is no family life after marriage? (4th comes before 7th) In my experience it is very simple and straight that whatever planet promissing whatever would (mostly) be reflected in the dashas of them and based on dasha sequence it may come anywhere in the life, I mean the timeframe. My mothers chart shows her a moderately happy lady but even though all life long I saw her distress only. Basically the chart is nothing wrong, but she has a very strong malefic Ve (6+11L) which is in own house (6H) and she run the Ve MD in her prime time 1978-1998, and it did the trick. She was happy before the Ve MD, seriously distressed through the whole Ve MD (more or less) and as soon as it ended, god offered her happiness again. She personally believes that it is her continuous prayers that resulted the satisfaction of God so God finished the "tests" and "exams" she was facing in her life. Sad enough, without the knowledge of Jyotish people keep believing in such things and all the life they carry such most worthless beliefs and they die with these beliefs. Anyway the dasha sequence esp the MD has to be seen. My mothers life would be completely different if she did not have to run this Ve MD in her life. (Dasha cycle totally 120 yrs, ppl do not live that long.) We see some people born rich then on the ending days die through extreme poverty and some people born in poor family but when they cross their middle age, they are crowned for their talent and labour. It is not for any YOGAS that, "This person will have success at old age" but the Dashas. Being separated / living away from spouse is a favourite topic of observation to me. I suddenly noted a case, of my uncle, who is now around 70. All his life he lived with his wife in village, never had to live away from her, just sometimes 10-12 days when he used to come to the town, still very uncommon. But now in his 70's, he is hardly living with her since last 4-5-6 yrs for her wife is in the US for immegration purposes and he is in the village for handling lawsuits about his properties. Then when he goes to US my aunt has some reasons to visit our country ! Is it for any yoga or anything that all his life they lived together, but suddenly in this end of the day they are living separately? No, but there is some change in Dasa and a planet who seriously rules separation in his chart is taking the lead. Of course. He had been living totally alone in the village home, big empty home only him and servants. Painful. All his life he lived with sons and daughter with family. Some thoughts about the 6th house / career ------------------- 6th house rules service. In Eng it has many different meanings like "service to someone without taking anything in return" example : I go to friends home and his PC isnt working, and I fix it. And another service is simply the job. 6th house rules both these services. But I would not like the job 6th house offers. In my experience (so far) the job / career 6th house offers is not very good kind, or does not generally involve a great deal of fame/name/rcognition. EXCEPTION is when the 10th / 9th lord etc has a say on the house, but that is for those planets and not 6th house itself. The job originally offered by 6th house is those types of jobs that offer nothing than money itself and not much in amount. It is just petty kind of jobs. (Again saying, exception might be for 10th/9th lords and then THEY are the causes, not 6th). And 6th is a job of routine taks and subordination, obeying boss etc. Very bad kind of job. On the other hand, the job offered by 10th house is the one that can give fame, name, long lasting gains other than money or even money may be a great gain for high salaries in high post. This is actually not the house of jobs but career and name, fame etc. and in that category the job falls. High officials, bureaucrats, govt officials, fall in this category. People who work for themselves and earn name and fame also fall in this category. This doesnt mean jobs here has no subordination and obeying orders, it has. But with more respect. This has been my experience so far with the charts I have seen and I (humbly) believe I am correct. Regarding your statement about the inputs of 3rd and 11th houses I agree 100% and a strong 11th house is what I MISS, it offers socialization, having a big circle of friends, etc. It also offers GAINS and AWARDS. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - vattem krishnan Monday, August 15, 2005 2:41 PM Re: happy independence day of Bharat Dear Tanvir ji, Talking abour degrees of malific nature,what is important is the life's mission and objective.From this angle I feel:"6th seems more malefic than the 8th" is not entirely a realistic way of looking at the various events. From lagna to 7th covers child hood to maariage and from 7th to 12th is usually post marriage stage leading to family,contentment and old age and finally a day to call of the satge. As some body was mentioning in the group 6th is also linked to career and ofcourse diseases and debts etc. sandwiched between 6th and 8th is 7th where in a stage every body looks for a happy marital association and progress there on. At that stage the 8th house also known as house of mangalya for the spouse and most importantly ;ayush of a native is delineated and also matters relating to inheritance etc.This house has many more that are difficult to be unfolded and some time even the knowledgeable the house which is 12th to house of fortune(9th house) takes away all efforts that made for improvement of bhagya are also consumed through this house. At the point of 8th house one enters into a very crucial phase of life where consolidation of efforts are seen and feels a kind of beginning for his confidence to grow and give moral courage to take the battle further.such is the nature of 8th house and importance that always remains in clouds.The secret nature of this secret house may be difficult to be resolved. When it comes to 12th there is little where any individual can do except to look back from the arm chair and prepare himself for his adieu to the life. If 6th initiates the stage for change in orientation of life it is the 8th that has to resolve.may be with the support coming from a life partner and get rewards there on. This comparitive out look is very complex and makes the degrees more infavour of 8th.I feel this perspective is universalif we devide the natal chart in to two halves and review the position. Even in Astaka varga also we tend recieve bindu or benific points from 7th to 12 th are more crucial for life. As a chlid one was dependent on parents and we grow them only to see that they make life and from 8th onward we make a beginning again ultimately looking for retirement from the scene. The importance of 6th,7th and 8th in any body's life is so much.it makes some times most difficult to find which is most difficult of life.It is not that my intention is to ignore 12th and is ceratinly important but the stage has already been set to be happy or not. Looking from these various stages involved in life 3rd and 11th provide most crucial inputs that are essential by way of communication,courage(3rd H) and 11th(resources /earnings) that badly is in need of. we only resolve the benific and malefic nature of these various houses from our own experiences and understandings krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dera Tanvir ji, Very illuminating views Thanx Krishnan with regards Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Dear Krishnan Ji, I agree that it is not always realistic to measure this way because it is also a matter how the native perceives the events and how he takes all these. This matters. As an example getting a job worth $ 50,000 per anum is great for some people but for some people born in veyr rich background it is no compensation for their time and labour. I agree. However some general things are always there, (in my humble opinion) for two reasons - (1) Planets also impose the feeling on a people how he takes the situation and how he perceives it. (In my view/experience.) In above job example it has to do with in what kind of financial status he was born in (seen from chart) and what his mentality is (again chart). Most important to note that our perceptions and even reactions are also controlled very much by the planets. If a malefic period can simply be outdone by a natives perception that "Well this is just fine!" then basically the planet fails, and it never happens. Planets also make the feeling / perception as they want. I know many would not agree about above (Like Mark) but this has been my experience. Also I always note (and mention in discussion) that our fate that we can hint from the chart depends a lot on our own reaction as well. Sometimes we get angry on small matters and this helps building up the situation that is written there in the chart. My relationship is past which reserves some pain in my mind (when I remember it), I cannot do anything about it. A very strong remedy would let me discover facts I did not know and thus make me feel better and have less pain. However, remedies can seldom be that strong / seldom that uncommonly strong remedies can be found. (Bec the nature cannot give this key to anyone, it must have a balance). But then, with normally strong remedies, I also find that I "FEEL" and "REALIZE" (by recalling past / analyzing) that the relationship was not that bad and thus I feel less pain. So it also controls my reaction and perception. THIS IS ALWAYS VERY TRUE and this is a way remedies work, through changing perception. Recently I gave someone a mantra and first few days he said he watches no effects, then after some 15 days he reported that he is now sure that the days he does mantras, he feels sore about his past relationship recalling so many negative things. Other days, he doesnt. The most common mantra I always practice is one that addresses my 6L. This is a very great scope to see how all our reactions are controlled. Before I learnt true approach to mantras, the mantra always fired back more or less, mostly with arguments with ppl (6L). And as much I wanted to avoid it, as much I realized how bounded I, and everyone were (are). It was visible how people misbehave me / treats me with unfair policies causing the arguments (when I did mantras). Their free will were controlled. I tried a lot not to engage in arguments and pass it over head, but then, next time it would be more serious compelling me to engage! I noted with surprise that sometimes my own reaction creates a tension in the situation out of nothing, thus causing the argument. Later when I stopped mantras, I used to find that the situation was just out of nothing and just for my own misunderstanding the whole argument happened. So the native himself, and the environment, both contribute to a situation. Sometimes I would have very determined to tolerate whatever, and I remember such a day when I determined like this and then a man who was jogging pushed me / hit me of all sudden though I was just calmly walking along the road ! I didnt say anything, but the 6H effect was already there! Sometimes you contribute to the situation, but sometimes you just act as an element. And in broader sense, we all ar elements, contributing in a set drama. (2) The second point is that, a general good thing is good in general more or less for everyone. I have mentioned earlier in another post that though my main aim abt Narayana Mantra is not good diet, but I always find myself automatically having healthy diet while doing the mantra. I rarely take eggs, milks, fruits - even if I try, I cannot. But with mantras, I can easily take them. It shows that though I cannot tolerate the taste of egg, but with mantras, I can tolerate the taste easily. Bec egg is needed for health, so it makes me take it. (Well the vegetarian people is another topic.) Shiva mantra is what I need to do very carefully otherwise it isnt pronounced perfectly and any imperfection is a lot harm for me. I have seen that when I do shiva mantra without perfection - it makes me take a lot of junk foods such as 4-5 cups of coffee, sweets with heavy fat ingredients, etc etc. Basically I find these items ready before me on those days and I also have an interest to take them. But it basically shows that bad thing is always bad, for taking much coffee etc. is bad, and even though I like the taste and like to drink it, but it is caused by an imperfect practice of mantras. A lot of example can be given that you and other members already know. A wicked person might like to do something sick and have pleasure this way, but thats still a wicked thing and caused by wicked planetary combinations. So in my view, it depends on the perception but the perfection is again caused by the planets and then, some general things also stand true and mixing all these, the effects build our fate/destiny. Thus a general observation can be easily made regarding "Either 6L or 8L makes natives suffer more" this is again a VERY GENERAL observation for each chart is unique, but still it can be seen. With best wishes, Tanvir. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - vattem krishnan Monday, August 15, 2005 2:41 PM Re: happy independence day of Bharat Dear Tanvir ji, Talking abour degrees of malific nature,what is important is the life's mission and objective.From this angle I feel:"6th seems more malefic than the 8th" is not entirely a realistic way of looking at the various events. From lagna to 7th covers child hood to maariage and from 7th to 12th is usually post marriage stage leading to family,contentment and old age and finally a day to call of the satge. As some body was mentioning in the group 6th is also linked to career and ofcourse diseases and debts etc. sandwiched between 6th and 8th is 7th where in a stage every body looks for a happy marital association and progress there on. At that stage the 8th house also known as house of mangalya for the spouse and most importantly ;ayush of a native is delineated and also matters relating to inheritance etc.This house has many more that are difficult to be unfolded and some time even the knowledgeable the house which is 12th to house of fortune(9th house) takes away all efforts that made for improvement of bhagya are also consumed through this house. At the point of 8th house one enters into a very crucial phase of life where consolidation of efforts are seen and feels a kind of beginning for his confidence to grow and give moral courage to take the battle further.such is the nature of 8th house and importance that always remains in clouds.The secret nature of this secret house may be difficult to be resolved. When it comes to 12th there is little where any individual can do except to look back from the arm chair and prepare himself for his adieu to the life. If 6th initiates the stage for change in orientation of life it is the 8th that has to resolve.may be with the support coming from a life partner and get rewards there on. This comparitive out look is very complex and makes the degrees more infavour of 8th.I feel this perspective is universalif we devide the natal chart in to two halves and review the position. Even in Astaka varga also we tend recieve bindu or benific points from 7th to 12 th are more crucial for life. As a chlid one was dependent on parents and we grow them only to see that they make life and from 8th onward we make a beginning again ultimately looking for retirement from the scene. The importance of 6th,7th and 8th in any body's life is so much.it makes some times most difficult to find which is most difficult of life.It is not that my intention is to ignore 12th and is ceratinly important but the stage has already been set to be happy or not. Looking from these various stages involved in life 3rd and 11th provide most crucial inputs that are essential by way of communication,courage(3rd H) and 11th(resources /earnings) that badly is in need of. we only resolve the benific and malefic nature of these various houses from our own experiences and understandings krishnan SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Visit your group "" on the web. 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear tanvir ji, I agree employment is initiated with 6th house and is a beginning.Therefore: "6th is a job of routine taks and subordination, obeying boss etc. Very bad kind of job." This involves efforts made by the individual and(mostly) on his own and with the support got through 5th house(intellect,intution etc) Then with the help of friends,associates,peers (7th hous) and no doubt "fate",bhagya as it helps and props one could dream of: "the job offered by 10th house is the one that can give fame, name, long lasting gains" what ever may beI agree with you the role of planets is undeniable and from that point of view it is still"a mystery".may be the actions of past,present if one can resolve and come out with a proper explanation. Opportunities for fulfilling ideals and ambitions can only be addressed through the order of dashas.At a prime time,a prime dasa could be designed and worked all can be demysified and this where ever our prayers of past and present have to support and bless every one.So you are absolutely right in saying: 'whatever planet promissing whatever would (mostly) be reflected in the dashas of them and based on dasha sequence" with regards krishnan Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Dear Krishnan Ji, I personally do not follow dictums like 7th house is upto marriage and after that houses are for after marriage life. Because father is always there in life even before marriage though the house is 9th/10th (comes after 7th) rather all the times we see a native gets his father for smaller period after his marriage as the father gets old and leaves away. Also does it mean there is no family life after marriage? (4th comes before 7th) In my experience it is very simple and straight that whatever planet promissing whatever would (mostly) be reflected in the dashas of them and based on dasha sequence it may come anywhere in the life, I mean the timeframe. My mothers chart shows her a moderately happy lady but even though all life long I saw her distress only. Basically the chart is nothing wrong, but she has a very strong malefic Ve (6+11L) which is in own house (6H) and she run the Ve MD in her prime time 1978-1998, and it did the trick. She was happy before the Ve MD, seriously distressed through the whole Ve MD (more or less) and as soon as it ended, god offered her happiness again. She personally believes that it is her continuous prayers that resulted the satisfaction of God so God finished the "tests" and "exams" she was facing in her life. Sad enough, without the knowledge of Jyotish people keep believing in such things and all the life they carry such most worthless beliefs and they die with these beliefs. Anyway the dasha sequence esp the MD has to be seen. My mothers life would be completely different if she did not have to run this Ve MD in her life. (Dasha cycle totally 120 yrs, ppl do not live that long.) We see some people born rich then on the ending days die through extreme poverty and some people born in poor family but when they cross their middle age, they are crowned for their talent and labour. It is not for any YOGAS that, "This person will have success at old age" but the Dashas. Being separated / living away from spouse is a favourite topic of observation to me. I suddenly noted a case, of my uncle, who is now around 70. All his life he lived with his wife in village, never had to live away from her, just sometimes 10-12 days when he used to come to the town, still very uncommon. But now in his 70's, he is hardly living with her since last 4-5-6 yrs for her wife is in the US for immegration purposes and he is in the village for handling lawsuits about his properties. Then when he goes to US my aunt has some reasons to visit our country ! Is it for any yoga or anything that all his life they lived together, but suddenly in this end of the day they are living separately? No, but there is some change in Dasa and a planet who seriously rules separation in his chart is taking the lead. Of course. He had been living totally alone in the village home, big empty home only him and servants. Painful. All his life he lived with sons and daughter with family. Some thoughts about the 6th house / career ------------------- 6th house rules service. In Eng it has many different meanings like "service to someone without taking anything in return" example : I go to friends home and his PC isnt working, and I fix it. And another service is simply the job. 6th house rules both these services. But I would not like the job 6th house offers. In my experience (so far) the job / career 6th house offers is not very good kind, or does not generally involve a great deal of fame/name/rcognition. EXCEPTION is when the 10th / 9th lord etc has a say on the house, but that is for those planets and not 6th house itself. The job originally offered by 6th house is those types of jobs that offer nothing than money itself and not much in amount. It is just petty kind of jobs. (Again saying, exception might be for 10th/9th lords and then THEY are the causes, not 6th). And 6th is a job of routine taks and subordination, obeying boss etc. Very bad kind of job. On the other hand, the job offered by 10th house is the one that can give fame, name, long lasting gains other than money or even money may be a great gain for high salaries in high post. This is actually not the house of jobs but career and name, fame etc. and in that category the job falls. High officials, bureaucrats, govt officials, fall in this category. People who work for themselves and earn name and fame also fall in this category. This doesnt mean jobs here has no subordination and obeying orders, it has. But with more respect. This has been my experience so far with the charts I have seen and I (humbly) believe I am correct. Regarding your statement about the inputs of 3rd and 11th houses I agree 100% and a strong 11th house is what I MISS, it offers socialization, having a big circle of friends, etc. It also offers GAINS and AWARDS. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - vattem krishnan Monday, August 15, 2005 2:41 PM Re: happy independence day of Bharat Dear Tanvir ji, Talking abour degrees of malific nature,what is important is the life's mission and objective.From this angle I feel:"6th seems more malefic than the 8th" is not entirely a realistic way of looking at the various events. From lagna to 7th covers child hood to maariage and from 7th to 12th is usually post marriage stage leading to family,contentment and old age and finally a day to call of the satge. As some body was mentioning in the group 6th is also linked to career and ofcourse diseases and debts etc. sandwiched between 6th and 8th is 7th where in a stage every body looks for a happy marital association and progress there on. At that stage the 8th house also known as house of mangalya for the spouse and most importantly ;ayush of a native is delineated and also matters relating to inheritance etc.This house has many more that are difficult to be unfolded and some time even the knowledgeable the house which is 12th to house of fortune(9th house) takes away all efforts that made for improvement of bhagya are also consumed through this house. At the point of 8th house one enters into a very crucial phase of life where consolidation of efforts are seen and feels a kind of beginning for his confidence to grow and give moral courage to take the battle further.such is the nature of 8th house and importance that always remains in clouds.The secret nature of this secret house may be difficult to be resolved. When it comes to 12th there is little where any individual can do except to look back from the arm chair and prepare himself for his adieu to the life. If 6th initiates the stage for change in orientation of life it is the 8th that has to resolve.may be with the support coming from a life partner and get rewards there on. This comparitive out look is very complex and makes the degrees more infavour of 8th.I feel this perspective is universalif we devide the natal chart in to two halves and review the position. Even in Astaka varga also we tend recieve bindu or benific points from 7th to 12 th are more crucial for life. As a chlid one was dependent on parents and we grow them only to see that they make life and from 8th onward we make a beginning again ultimately looking for retirement from the scene. The importance of 6th,7th and 8th in any body's life is so much.it makes some times most difficult to find which is most difficult of life.It is not that my intention is to ignore 12th and is ceratinly important but the stage has already been set to be happy or not. Looking from these various stages involved in life 3rd and 11th provide most crucial inputs that are essential by way of communication,courage(3rd H) and 11th(resources /earnings) that badly is in need of. we only resolve the benific and malefic nature of these various houses from our own experiences and understandings krishnan SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Nice post friend! Real definition BHARATA is surely 'devoted to light' and it is found in Rigveda(Rg manDala 3): Ya ime rodasii ubhe ahamindramatuShTavam | Vishvaamitrasya rakshati brahmedam BHAARATAM janam || = The words of (mine) friend of the world will protect the people who LOVE THE LIGHT(knowledge) let all love the LIGHT! yours KAD , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > Dear friends > > Firstly i wish you all a very happy independence day of this great nation Bharat. > > As Tanvirji encouraged to share knowledge, here I put the meaning of our country Bharat to sharing of knowledge. Bha means light (knowledge) and Rata means devoted i.e. Bharata means "devoted to light". Since light alone can dispel darkness, similarly knowledge alone can dispel agnana andhakar. So sacred and holy is the meaning of our country where we are all blessed to born. Many countries names do not have any meanings at all. For example, many Americans as well as Indians living in that dream country (USA) are not aware of the real meaning of America. The old natives of USA wrongly credited the discovery of their greant country to an Italian Amerigo Vespucci. Since the italian pronounciation was difficult, it was named America. It is a pity that they still decided not to change that even though their country's name has no meaning to convey at all. > > Also these days many books have been written by new age (most famous) astrologers and also several modern astrologers who innovated new softwares making learning of astrology an easy science with a system approach. However, they are treated as inventors of astrology or discoverers of astrology. The roots of astrology goes like this. The sages thousands of years ago gifted feely without any patent or personal brandname attached, various holy scriptures. To understand the four Vedas and the four Upavedas, eight auxilliary sciences are also to be learnt which are common to all the Vedas. these are Siksa (pronounciation), Jyotish (astronomy & astrology), chandas (prosody), nirukta (lexicology and etymology), kalpa (ritual rles), vyakaran (grammer), nyaya (statute) and mimamsa (hermeneutics). Astrology has been gifted by sages time immemorial as part of the Vedas. one can only make it simpler to understand but cannot invent or discover or take credit for himself. > > With best wishes for learning this great holy scripture more and spreading the knowledge > arjun > > Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Hi Arjun Ji, > > Helping needy mankind and sharing knowledge - both are among the prime objectives of this forum. Sharing of knowledge and discussing concepts will not hamper advising with remedies and predictions - both types of discussions will go same time. There is no point to narrow down the scope of forum. Rather it will depend upon the members being interested and able to participate in such discussions. > > I agree with your view that 3rd house isnt a malefic one (unlike 6th, 8th etc.) and I also add 11th house here. Also I generally observe that the 12th house is not as much malefic as 6th and 8th. Sometimes 6th seems more malefic than the 8th, and something 8th seems more malefic than 6th. But most of the times 8th is more serious malefic. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > - > arjun pandit > > Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:09 PM > astrology lessons - angel goel > > > dear friend > > you have successfully transformed this group into a knowledge sharing exercise amongs the member fraternity with your never ending queries. > > the best part of this group, mainly because of the contributing members, is the agreement even while disagreeing with one another's observations. as my brother satish said once, the more we learn, we learn that what we learnt is so little. earlier few members used to prove that their viewpoint is correct but are no longer active or have gone out of the group. so only the good ones are left in the group. > > appreciating what krishnanji wrote, i read moksha also from the 4th house besides 6th, 8th and 12th houses. though many consider 3rd house a bad house, i do not find it that bad. > > earlier astrologer used to mostly depend on divine grace or intuition (clairovyance) and less on charts. but because of the systerms approach and scientific based preictive methodology, these days astrologers have become like weathermen. when the meteorology department itself (thousands of crores of rupees spent every year) even with several spaceships is failing in its predictions, we can imagine the accuracy of the predictions made by computer charts. when i was a child i was amzaed how the weight machine with colourful lamps on a railway platform can print my future prediction on the reverse of the weight card just for 50 paise. > > this mail is just to thank all fellow members in sharing their knowledge which should be appreciated and they shall be respected for their knowledge sharing. in case any member needs specific clarifications on any specific reading, i am more than willing to share the same, even while considering myself at learning stage till my last breath. > > however, since this group is more interested in increasing the fortunes and averting the misfortunes of the natives, let us all focus more on advising suitable remedies which are counter productive. > > with best wishes > arjun > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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