Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear friend KAD and others 6th house is called Ripu bhava 8th house is called Randhra bhava 12th house is called Vyaya bhava Tanvirji explained correctly of the three different yogas besides VRY. However, out of my experience, research and analysis, wish to add as follows: 1. If 6th lord is in 6th house, 8th lord in 8th house or 12th lord in 12th house, even if the lord is malefic, you would find VRY giving positive results to some extent. 2. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is a benefic planet, then also VRY gives positive results to some extent. 3. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is debilitated or a malefic planet, no VRY and the native gets only negative results. In order of negativity, 8th is the worst, 6th is worse and 12th is bad. With best wishes arjun kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear Ashutosh and Tanvir, I confirmed with BPHS and the verse looks like saying TRIKA = DUSTHANA; but TRIKA in sanskrit may also mean TRIAD and so not clear. Of course the astro-fraternity is not to be blamed for that. As I said, San~jna tatva (in JATAKA TATVA of Mahadeva, if I remeber right) gives the principle which clearly distinguishes between TRIKA and DUSTHANA: ......LagnambasaptadashamANi KedrANi..(1,4,7,10 -> KENDRA) ......sutadharmau trikoNau...(5,9 --> TRIKONA) ......TryArakhAraya upacayAh......(3,6,10,11 -> UPACAYA) (I'm not sure of this line)....RandhraripuvyayAh duSTAh...(8,6,12 -> DUSHTA) .........TrishaDAyAstrikAh......(3,6,11 --> TRIKA) The above is quoted from memory and so I request friends to confirm the above with MAHADEVA's JATAKATATVA in san~jna tatva chapter and please inform me. Eager to know whether my memory is right, yours KAD , "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Kadrudra, > > I have always seen the 6th, 8th and 12th being refered to as "trik-sthan". In many books which I have and in my fraternity of astrologers too, similar terminology is followed. At least, In India, we do so. > > I will again emphasize that powerful planets do not form a viprit raj yoga, weak planets do. Weakness of the trik-sthan lord is a must in VRY. It is viprit rajyoga, unlike other rajyogas which are formed by powerful planets. > > VRY was first propounded by Kavi Kalidasa. > > Ashutosh. > > > > > - > kadrudra > > Thursday, August 11, 2005 15:53 > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th..(VRY) > > > Good explanation friends! > But a small correction to Ashutosh's terminology : > > The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they are DUSSTHANA. > The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous sanj~na tatva says 'TRI- > SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. > I have seen many astrologers including the THIRD house in VRY, but it > really is different. > > Here is an addition from studies on frequencies and potencies of VRY > for each Sign: > > 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in 12H is very weak. > 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent > 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in 8H is most powerful > 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent > 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY from 12L is VERY > frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H very weak. > 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful, 6L > in 8H very weak. > 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H is most powerful, in > 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. > 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. > 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is very weak, 12L > in 8H is also very weak. > 10.Makara - VRY from 12L is not frequent. > 11.Kumbha - VRY from 6L is VERY frequent; VRY from 12L is not > frequent. > 12.Meena - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful; > 6L in 8H is very weak. > > > Hope it helps to get general clues of VRY wrt signs; in fact, these > combinations seem to > filter out the chances and types of POTENTIAL VRYs for each lagna. > > Yours humbly, > KAD > , "Astrologer Ashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would > like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik- > sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there > is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are > in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries > in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets > will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down > because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by > negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon > where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively > Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY > works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life > like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get > done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against > prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H > or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet > and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get > destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's > prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These > help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this > statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is > weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they > can. > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of > the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made > prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their > childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment > etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L > etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the > native would have to earn it through work and no ready made > prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy > than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but > then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to > consider here. > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe > in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are > all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply > them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA > (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only > exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha > yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. 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Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Astrologers, I have seen several horoscopes of people who were born in 1969 and have saturn in aries in eighth house. In saturn dasha those who had saturn alone got good results, but those with either sun, venus or mercury, got negative results. In 1973, jupiter was in capricorn and many of my clients have it in sixth house. Those with jupiter alone, with no aspect from any beneficial planet, have had excellent financial and career gains in jupiter dasha, though with lots of health problems. But, where jupiter is with some other planet, the dasha has been mediocre or devastating. Viprit means reverse or adverse. Here the rajyoga results from adverse planets, weak planets or functional malefic planets, which would have otherwise harmed the native, but are placed in negative or harmful houses themselves. In trik-bhavas (6,8,12), strong planets give more negative results than weak ones. Another type of VRY happens when the lord of these houses, except 8th, becomes combust even if placed out of these houses. Here also, that planet gives good results in its dasha. But, one should not forget that VRY is a rajyoga. It gives financial and career gains, but can destroys health, sometimes shorten life and give addictions like alcohol or drugs. The negativity of 6,8,12 houses can not be nullified by VRY. Ashutosh - arjun pandit Friday, August 12, 2005 14:07 all about 6th, 8th & 12th houses Dear friend KAD and others 6th house is called Ripu bhava 8th house is called Randhra bhava 12th house is called Vyaya bhava Tanvirji explained correctly of the three different yogas besides VRY. However, out of my experience, research and analysis, wish to add as follows: 1. If 6th lord is in 6th house, 8th lord in 8th house or 12th lord in 12th house, even if the lord is malefic, you would find VRY giving positive results to some extent. 2. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is a benefic planet, then also VRY gives positive results to some extent. 3. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is debilitated or a malefic planet, no VRY and the native gets only negative results. In order of negativity, 8th is the worst, 6th is worse and 12th is bad. With best wishes arjun kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear Ashutosh and Tanvir, I confirmed with BPHS and the verse looks like saying TRIKA = DUSTHANA; but TRIKA in sanskrit may also mean TRIAD and so not clear. Of course the astro-fraternity is not to be blamed for that. As I said, San~jna tatva (in JATAKA TATVA of Mahadeva, if I remeber right) gives the principle which clearly distinguishes between TRIKA and DUSTHANA: .....LagnambasaptadashamANi KedrANi..(1,4,7,10 -> KENDRA) .....sutadharmau trikoNau...(5,9 --> TRIKONA) .....TryArakhAraya upacayAh......(3,6,10,11 -> UPACAYA) (I'm not sure of this line)....RandhraripuvyayAh duSTAh...(8,6,12 -> DUSHTA) ........TrishaDAyAstrikAh......(3,6,11 --> TRIKA) The above is quoted from memory and so I request friends to confirm the above with MAHADEVA's JATAKATATVA in san~jna tatva chapter and please inform me. Eager to know whether my memory is right, yours KAD , "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Kadrudra, > > I have always seen the 6th, 8th and 12th being refered to as "trik-sthan". In many books which I have and in my fraternity of astrologers too, similar terminology is followed. At least, In India, we do so. > > I will again emphasize that powerful planets do not form a viprit raj yoga, weak planets do. Weakness of the trik-sthan lord is a must in VRY. It is viprit rajyoga, unlike other rajyogas which are formed by powerful planets. > > VRY was first propounded by Kavi Kalidasa. > > Ashutosh. > > > > > - > kadrudra > > Thursday, August 11, 2005 15:53 > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th..(VRY) > > > Good explanation friends! > But a small correction to Ashutosh's terminology : > > The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they are DUSSTHANA. > The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous sanj~na tatva says 'TRI- > SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. > I have seen many astrologers including the THIRD house in VRY, but it > really is different. > > Here is an addition from studies on frequencies and potencies of VRY > for each Sign: > > 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in 12H is very weak. > 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent > 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in 8H is most powerful > 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent > 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY from 12L is VERY > frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H very weak. > 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful, 6L > in 8H very weak. > 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H is most powerful, in > 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. > 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. > 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is very weak, 12L > in 8H is also very weak. > 10.Makara - VRY from 12L is not frequent. > 11.Kumbha - VRY from 6L is VERY frequent; VRY from 12L is not > frequent. > 12.Meena - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful; > 6L in 8H is very weak. > > > Hope it helps to get general clues of VRY wrt signs; in fact, these > combinations seem to > filter out the chances and types of POTENTIAL VRYs for each lagna. > > Yours humbly, > KAD > > > > > > > > , "Astrologer Ashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would > like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik- > sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there > is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are > in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries > in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets > will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down > because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by > negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon > where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively > Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY > works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life > like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get > done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against > prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H > or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet > and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get > destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's > prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These > help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this > statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is > weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they > can. > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of > the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made > prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their > childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment > etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L > etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the > native would have to earn it through work and no ready made > prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy > than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but > then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to > consider here. > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe > in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are > all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply > them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA > (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only > exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha > yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. 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Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Asutoshji, You are right in saying:negativity of 6,8,12 houses can not be nullified by VRY.as these are trika bhavas. where as saturn in aries in eighth house you have mentioned good results if alone and negative if associated,combust with other planets like venus or mercury. While saying so does it really matters whether saturn is in Bharnai or Krittika nakshtra,when alone to give good results and negative when in ketu nakshtra or even otherwise? 2) About jupiter was in capricorn in sixth house,alone: financial and career gains in jupiter dasha,and with some other planet:give more negative results than weak ones. here debilitated jupiter by aspect when alone on 10th has given better results and with other planets not good results.probably here we may be conveying about the aspects of weak planet.is it not krishnan Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Astrologers, I have seen several horoscopes of people who were born in 1969 and have saturn in aries in eighth house. In saturn dasha those who had saturn alone got good results, but those with either sun, venus or mercury, got negative results. In 1973, jupiter was in capricorn and many of my clients have it in sixth house. Those with jupiter alone, with no aspect from any beneficial planet, have had excellent financial and career gains in jupiter dasha, though with lots of health problems. But, where jupiter is with some other planet, with some other planet, . Viprit means reverse or adverse. Here the rajyoga results from adverse planets, weak planets or functional malefic planets, which would have otherwise harmed the native, but are placed in negative or harmful houses themselves. In trik-bhavas (6,8,12), strong planets give more negative results than weak ones. Another type of VRY happens when the lord of these houses, except 8th, becomes combust even if placed out of these houses. Here also, that planet gives good results in its dasha. But, one should not forget that VRY is a rajyoga. It gives financial and career gains, but can destroys health, sometimes shorten life and give addictions like alcohol or drugs. The negativity of 6,8,12 houses can not be nullified by VRY. Ashutosh - arjun pandit Friday, August 12, 2005 14:07 all about 6th, 8th & 12th houses Dear friend KAD and others 6th house is called Ripu bhava 8th house is called Randhra bhava 12th house is called Vyaya bhava Tanvirji explained correctly of the three different yogas besides VRY. However, out of my experience, research and analysis, wish to add as follows: 1. If 6th lord is in 6th house, 8th lord in 8th house or 12th lord in 12th house, even if the lord is malefic, you would find VRY giving positive results to some extent. 2. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is a benefic planet, then also VRY gives positive results to some extent. 3. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is debilitated or a malefic planet, no VRY and the native gets only negative results. In order of negativity, 8th is the worst, 6th is worse and 12th is bad. With best wishes arjun kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear Ashutosh and Tanvir, I confirmed with BPHS and the verse looks like saying TRIKA = DUSTHANA; but TRIKA in sanskrit may also mean TRIAD and so not clear. Of course the astro-fraternity is not to be blamed for that. As I said, San~jna tatva (in JATAKA TATVA of Mahadeva, if I remeber right) gives the principle which clearly distinguishes between TRIKA and DUSTHANA: .....LagnambasaptadashamANi KedrANi..(1,4,7,10 -> KENDRA) .....sutadharmau trikoNau...(5,9 --> TRIKONA) .....TryArakhAraya upacayAh......(3,6,10,11 -> UPACAYA) (I'm not sure of this line)....RandhraripuvyayAh duSTAh...(8,6,12 -> DUSHTA) ........TrishaDAyAstrikAh......(3,6,11 --> TRIKA) The above is quoted from memory and so I request friends to confirm the above with MAHADEVA's JATAKATATVA in san~jna tatva chapter and please inform me. Eager to know whether my memory is right, yours KAD , "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Kadrudra, > > I have always seen the 6th, 8th and 12th being refered to as "trik-sthan". In many books which I have and in my fraternity of astrologers too, similar terminology is followed. At least, In India, we do so. > > I will again emphasize that powerful planets do not form a viprit raj yoga, weak planets do. Weakness of the trik-sthan lord is a must in VRY. It is viprit rajyoga, unlike other rajyogas which are formed by powerful planets. > > VRY was first propounded by Kavi Kalidasa. > > Ashutosh. > > > > > - > kadrudra > > Thursday, August 11, 2005 15:53 > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th..(VRY) > > > Good explanation friends! > But a small correction to Ashutosh's terminology : > > The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they are DUSSTHANA. > The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous sanj~na tatva says 'TRI- > SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. > I have seen many astrologers including the THIRD house in VRY, but it > really is different. > > Here is an addition from studies on frequencies and potencies of VRY > for each Sign: > > 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in 12H is very weak. > 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent > 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in 8H is most powerful > 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent > 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY from 12L is VERY > frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H very weak. > 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful, 6L > in 8H very weak. > 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H is most powerful, in > 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. > 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. > 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is very weak, 12L > in 8H is also very weak. > 10.Makara - VRY from 12L is not frequent. > 11.Kumbha - VRY from 6L is VERY frequent; VRY from 12L is not > frequent. > 12.Meena - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful; > 6L in 8H is very weak. > > > Hope it helps to get general clues of VRY wrt signs; in fact, these > combinations seem to > filter out the chances and types of POTENTIAL VRYs for each lagna. > > Yours humbly, > KAD > > > > > > > > , "Astrologer Ashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would > like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik- > sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there > is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are > in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries > in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets > will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down > because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by > negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon > where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively > Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY > works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life > like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get > done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against > prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H > or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet > and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get > destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's > prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These > help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this > statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is > weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they > can. > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of > the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made > prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their > childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment > etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L > etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the > native would have to earn it through work and no ready made > prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy > than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but > then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to > consider here. > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe > in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are > all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply > them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA > (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only > exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha > yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear Respected Astrologers, Please analyze the following chart for VRY. D.O.B: 11/30/1977 11:45 a.m. Place of Birth: Bombay, India Lord of 6th is in 12th and lord of 12th in 6th. 12th Lord Jupiter is retrograde in 6th (which is considered to be of strength). In this circumstance how strong/weak VRY would be constituted ? Thanks, Pratik J. , "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Astrologers, > > I have seen several horoscopes of people who were born in 1969 and have saturn in aries in eighth house. In saturn dasha those who had saturn alone got good results, but those with either sun, venus or mercury, got negative results. > > In 1973, jupiter was in capricorn and many of my clients have it in sixth house. Those with jupiter alone, with no aspect from any beneficial planet, have had excellent financial and career gains in jupiter dasha, though with lots of health problems. But, where jupiter is with some other planet, the dasha has been mediocre or devastating. > > Viprit means reverse or adverse. Here the rajyoga results from adverse planets, weak planets or functional malefic planets, which would have otherwise harmed the native, but are placed in negative or harmful houses themselves. In trik-bhavas (6,8,12), strong planets give more negative results than weak ones. > > Another type of VRY happens when the lord of these houses, except 8th, becomes combust even if placed out of these houses. Here also, that planet gives good results in its dasha. > > But, one should not forget that VRY is a rajyoga. It gives financial and career gains, but can destroys health, sometimes shorten life and give addictions like alcohol or drugs. The negativity of 6,8,12 houses can not be nullified by VRY. > > > Ashutosh > > > - > arjun pandit > > Friday, August 12, 2005 14:07 > all about 6th, 8th & 12th houses > > > Dear friend KAD and others > > 6th house is called Ripu bhava > 8th house is called Randhra bhava > 12th house is called Vyaya bhava > > Tanvirji explained correctly of the three different yogas besides VRY. However, out of my experience, research and analysis, wish to add as follows: > > 1. If 6th lord is in 6th house, 8th lord in 8th house or 12th lord in 12th house, even if the lord is malefic, you would find VRY giving positive results to some extent. > 2. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is a benefic planet, then also VRY gives positive results to some extent. > 3. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th houses and if the lord is debilitated or a malefic planet, no VRY and the native gets only negative results. > > In order of negativity, 8th is the worst, 6th is worse and 12th is bad. > > With best wishes > arjun > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear Ashutosh and Tanvir, > > I confirmed with BPHS and the verse looks like saying TRIKA = > DUSTHANA; but TRIKA in sanskrit may also mean TRIAD and so not clear. > Of course the astro-fraternity is not to be blamed for that. > > As I said, San~jna tatva (in JATAKA TATVA of Mahadeva, if I remeber > right) gives the principle which clearly distinguishes between TRIKA > and DUSTHANA: > > .....LagnambasaptadashamANi KedrANi..(1,4,7,10 -> KENDRA) > > .....sutadharmau trikoNau...(5,9 --> TRIKONA) > > .....TryArakhAraya upacayAh......(3,6,10,11 -> UPACAYA) > > (I'm not sure of this line)....RandhraripuvyayAh duSTAh... (8,6,12 -> > DUSHTA) > > ........TrishaDAyAstrikAh......(3,6,11 --> TRIKA) > > The above is quoted from memory and so I request friends to confirm > the above with MAHADEVA's JATAKATATVA in san~jna tatva chapter and > please inform me. > > Eager to know whether my memory is right, > yours > KAD > > > > > , "Astrologer Ashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Kadrudra, > > > > I have always seen the 6th, 8th and 12th > being refered to as "trik-sthan". In many books which I have and in > my fraternity of astrologers too, similar terminology is followed. > At least, In India, we do so. > > > > I will again emphasize that powerful planets do not form a > viprit raj yoga, weak planets do. Weakness of the trik-sthan lord is > a must in VRY. It is viprit rajyoga, unlike other rajyogas which are > formed by powerful planets. > > > > VRY was first propounded by Kavi Kalidasa. > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > > > > > - > > kadrudra > > > > Thursday, August 11, 2005 15:53 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th..(VRY) > > > > > > Good explanation friends! > > But a small correction to Ashutosh's terminology : > > > > The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they are DUSSTHANA. > > The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous sanj~na tatva > says 'TRI- > > SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. > > I have seen many astrologers including the THIRD house in VRY, > but it > > really is different. > > > > Here is an addition from studies on frequencies and potencies of > VRY > > for each Sign: > > > > 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in 12H is very weak. > > 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent > > 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in 8H is most > powerful > > 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent > > 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY from 12L is VERY > > frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H very weak. > > 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most > powerful, 6L > > in 8H very weak. > > 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H is most powerful, > in > > 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. > > 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. > > 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is very weak, > 12L > > in 8H is also very weak. > > 10.Makara - VRY from 12L is not frequent. > > 11.Kumbha - VRY from 6L is VERY frequent; VRY from 12L is not > > frequent. > > 12.Meena - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most > powerful; > > 6L in 8H is very weak. > > > > > > Hope it helps to get general clues of VRY wrt signs; in fact, > these > > combinations seem to > > filter out the chances and types of POTENTIAL VRYs for each > lagna. > > > > Yours humbly, > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Astrologer Ashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I > would > > like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in > trik- > > sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, > there > > is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords > are > > in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in > aries > > in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such > planets > > will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and > down > > because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied > by > > negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a > dungeon > > where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tanvir > > > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively > > Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY > > works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in > life > > like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get > > done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against > > prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L > in 8H > > or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic > planet > > and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get > > destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's > > prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). > These > > help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this > > statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) > is > > weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease > they > > can. > > > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. > Many of > > the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made > > prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their > > childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, > entertainment > > etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong > 9L > > etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then > the > > native would have to earn it through work and no ready made > > prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally > worthy > > than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over > enemies but > > then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to > > consider here. > > > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not > believe > > in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala > are > > all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to > apply > > them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause > HARSHA > > (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only > > exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha > > yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem > solving > > remedies > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- --- > ----- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Dear Ashutoshji, I am also 1969 born Virgo ascendant, Sa in Aries, Ju in Virgo, Mars in Scorpio, Moon in Capricorn, Rahu in Aquarius, Venus in Gemini, Sun & Mercury in Cancer, Ketu in Leo. Birth details are: DOB: 30-07-1969 TOB: 10.35AM POB: Delhi Cantt I am now running Ju/Ra. I was told by many astrologers that my Saturn mahadasha will be very very tough considering debilitated Saturn in 8th house. But when I used to tell them that I had very good Ju/Sa they used to give unsatisfactory answers. But now with your explanation and experience I feel that I can expect a good Saturn MD in terms of material gain and must take care for negatives you mentioned. Please guide me. My main problem which I know and still unable to rectify is : Lack of motivation or weak determination to execute plans. Thanks Sanjay --- Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: > Dear Astrologers, > > I have seen several > horoscopes of people who were born in 1969 and have > saturn in aries in eighth house. In saturn dasha > those who had saturn alone got good results, but > those with either sun, venus or mercury, got > negative results. > > In 1973, jupiter was in capricorn and many > of my clients have it in sixth house. Those with > jupiter alone, with no aspect from any beneficial > planet, have had excellent financial and career > gains in jupiter dasha, though with lots of health > problems. But, where jupiter is with some other > planet, the dasha has been mediocre or devastating. > > Viprit means reverse or adverse. Here the > rajyoga results from adverse planets, weak planets > or functional malefic planets, which would have > otherwise harmed the native, but are placed in > negative or harmful houses themselves. In > trik-bhavas (6,8,12), strong planets give more > negative results than weak ones. > > Another type of VRY happens when the lord of > these houses, except 8th, becomes combust even if > placed out of these houses. Here also, that planet > gives good results in its dasha. > > But, one should not forget that VRY is a > rajyoga. It gives financial and career gains, but > can destroys health, sometimes shorten life and give > addictions like alcohol or drugs. The negativity of > 6,8,12 houses can not be nullified by VRY. > > > > Ashutosh > > > - > arjun pandit > > Friday, August 12, 2005 14:07 > all about 6th, 8th & 12th houses > > > Dear friend KAD and others > > 6th house is called Ripu bhava > 8th house is called Randhra bhava > 12th house is called Vyaya bhava > > Tanvirji explained correctly of the three > different yogas besides VRY. However, out of my > experience, research and analysis, wish to add as > follows: > > 1. If 6th lord is in 6th house, 8th lord in 8th > house or 12th lord in 12th house, even if the lord > is malefic, you would find VRY giving positive > results to some extent. > 2. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord > in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th > houses and if the lord is a benefic planet, then > also VRY gives positive results to some extent. > 3. If 6th lord is in 8th or 12th houses, 8th lord > in 6th or 12th houses and 12th lord in 6th or 8th > houses and if the lord is debilitated or a malefic > planet, no VRY and the native gets only negative > results. > > In order of negativity, 8th is the worst, 6th is > worse and 12th is bad. > > With best wishes > arjun > kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: > Dear Ashutosh and Tanvir, > > I confirmed with BPHS and the verse looks like > saying TRIKA = > DUSTHANA; but TRIKA in sanskrit may also mean > TRIAD and so not clear. > Of course the astro-fraternity is not to be blamed > for that. > > As I said, San~jna tatva (in JATAKA TATVA of > Mahadeva, if I remeber > right) gives the principle which clearly > distinguishes between TRIKA > and DUSTHANA: > > .....LagnambasaptadashamANi KedrANi..(1,4,7,10 -> > KENDRA) > > .....sutadharmau trikoNau...(5,9 --> TRIKONA) > > .....TryArakhAraya upacayAh......(3,6,10,11 -> > UPACAYA) > > (I'm not sure of this line)....RandhraripuvyayAh > duSTAh...(8,6,12 -> > DUSHTA) > > ........TrishaDAyAstrikAh......(3,6,11 --> TRIKA) > > The above is quoted from memory and so I request > friends to confirm > the above with MAHADEVA's JATAKATATVA in san~jna > tatva chapter and > please inform me. > > Eager to know whether my memory is right, > yours > KAD > > > > > , > "Astrologer Ashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Kadrudra, > > > > I have always seen the > 6th, 8th and 12th > being refered to as "trik-sthan". In many books > which I have and in > my fraternity of astrologers too, similar > terminology is followed. > At least, In India, we do so. > > > > I will again emphasize that powerful > planets do not form a > viprit raj yoga, weak planets do. Weakness of the > trik-sthan lord is > a must in VRY. It is viprit rajyoga, unlike other > rajyogas which are > formed by powerful planets. > > > > VRY was first propounded by Kavi > Kalidasa. > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > > > > > - > > kadrudra > > > > Thursday, August 11, 2005 15:53 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in > 8th..(VRY) > > > > > > Good explanation friends! > > But a small correction to Ashutosh's > terminology : > > > > The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they > are DUSSTHANA. > > The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous > sanj~na tatva > says 'TRI- > > SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. > > I have seen many astrologers including the > THIRD house in VRY, > but it > > really is different. > > > > Here is an addition from studies on > frequencies and potencies of > VRY > > for each Sign: > > > > 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in > 12H is very weak. > > 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent > > 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in > 8H is most > powerful > > 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent > > 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY > from 12L is VERY > > frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H > very weak. > > 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in > 8H is most > powerful, 6L > > in 8H very weak. > > 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H > is most powerful, > in > > 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. > > 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. > > 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in > 12H === message truncated === Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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