Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Good explanation friends! But a small correction to Ashutosh's terminology : The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they are DUSSTHANA. The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous sanj~na tatva says 'TRI- SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. I have seen many astrologers including the THIRD house in VRY, but it really is different. Here is an addition from studies on frequencies and potencies of VRY for each Sign: 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in 12H is very weak. 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in 8H is most powerful 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY from 12L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H very weak. 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful, 6L in 8H very weak. 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H is most powerful, in 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is very weak, 12L in 8H is also very weak. 10.Makara - VRY from 12L is not frequent. 11.Kumbha - VRY from 6L is VERY frequent; VRY from 12L is not frequent. 12.Meena - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful; 6L in 8H is very weak. Hope it helps to get general clues of VRY wrt signs; in fact, these combinations seem to filter out the chances and types of POTENTIAL VRYs for each lagna. Yours humbly, KAD , "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik- sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon where he is powerless to do anything. > > Ashutosh. > > > - > Tanvir > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > Hello Angel : > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they can. > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the native would have to earn it through work and no ready made prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy than involving 12H / 12L. > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to consider here. > > I hope it explains your ques. > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > Tanvir > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > -- ---------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Kadrudra, I have always seen the 6th, 8th and 12th being refered to as "trik-sthan". In many books which I have and in my fraternity of astrologers too, similar terminology is followed. At least, In India, we do so. I will again emphasize that powerful planets do not form a viprit raj yoga, weak planets do. Weakness of the trik-sthan lord is a must in VRY. It is viprit rajyoga, unlike other rajyogas which are formed by powerful planets. VRY was first propounded by Kavi Kalidasa. Ashutosh. - kadrudra Thursday, August 11, 2005 15:53 Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th..(VRY) Good explanation friends! But a small correction to Ashutosh's terminology : The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they are DUSSTHANA. The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous sanj~na tatva says 'TRI- SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. I have seen many astrologers including the THIRD house in VRY, but it really is different. Here is an addition from studies on frequencies and potencies of VRY for each Sign: 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in 12H is very weak. 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in 8H is most powerful 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY from 12L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H very weak. 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful, 6L in 8H very weak. 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H is most powerful, in 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is very weak, 12L in 8H is also very weak. 10.Makara - VRY from 12L is not frequent. 11.Kumbha - VRY from 6L is VERY frequent; VRY from 12L is not frequent. 12.Meena - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful; 6L in 8H is very weak. Hope it helps to get general clues of VRY wrt signs; in fact, these combinations seem to filter out the chances and types of POTENTIAL VRYs for each lagna. Yours humbly, KAD , "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik- sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon where he is powerless to do anything. > > Ashutosh. > > > - > Tanvir > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > Hello Angel : > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they can. > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the native would have to earn it through work and no ready made prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy than involving 12H / 12L. > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to consider here. > > I hope it explains your ques. > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > Tanvir > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > -- ---------- > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Kad ji, and Ashutosh ji, As per whatever I know, the 6, 8, 12 are dusthana(s) and also trik(s) - same thing but different names. The 3, 6, 11 are trishadaya(s) which is generally used by Parasara to define Paap Grahas (malefics). Thanks, Tanvir. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Tanvir, You are absolutely right. Ashutosh - Tanvir Thursday, August 11, 2005 18:29 Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th..(VRY) Dear Kad ji, and Ashutosh ji, As per whatever I know, the 6, 8, 12 are dusthana(s) and also trik(s) - same thing but different names. The 3, 6, 11 are trishadaya(s) which is generally used by Parasara to define Paap Grahas (malefics). Thanks, Tanvir. What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Ashutosh and Tanvir, I confirmed with BPHS and the verse looks like saying TRIKA = DUSTHANA; but TRIKA in sanskrit may also mean TRIAD and so not clear. Of course the astro-fraternity is not to be blamed for that. As I said, San~jna tatva (in JATAKA TATVA of Mahadeva, if I remeber right) gives the principle which clearly distinguishes between TRIKA and DUSTHANA: ......LagnambasaptadashamANi KedrANi..(1,4,7,10 -> KENDRA) ......sutadharmau trikoNau...(5,9 --> TRIKONA) ......TryArakhAraya upacayAh......(3,6,10,11 -> UPACAYA) (I'm not sure of this line)....RandhraripuvyayAh duSTAh...(8,6,12 -> DUSHTA) .........TrishaDAyAstrikAh......(3,6,11 --> TRIKA) The above is quoted from memory and so I request friends to confirm the above with MAHADEVA's JATAKATATVA in san~jna tatva chapter and please inform me. Eager to know whether my memory is right, yours KAD , "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Kadrudra, > > I have always seen the 6th, 8th and 12th being refered to as "trik-sthan". In many books which I have and in my fraternity of astrologers too, similar terminology is followed. At least, In India, we do so. > > I will again emphasize that powerful planets do not form a viprit raj yoga, weak planets do. Weakness of the trik-sthan lord is a must in VRY. It is viprit rajyoga, unlike other rajyogas which are formed by powerful planets. > > VRY was first propounded by Kavi Kalidasa. > > Ashutosh. > > > > > - > kadrudra > > Thursday, August 11, 2005 15:53 > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th..(VRY) > > > Good explanation friends! > But a small correction to Ashutosh's terminology : > > The houses 6, 8, 12 are NOT TRIKA houses; they are DUSSTHANA. > The TRIKA houses are 3, 6 and 11. The famous sanj~na tatva says 'TRI- > SHAD-AAYAAH TRIKAAH'. > I have seen many astrologers including the THIRD house in VRY, but it > really is different. > > Here is an addition from studies on frequencies and potencies of VRY > for each Sign: > > 1.Mesha - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 6L in 12H is very weak. > 2.Vrishabha - VRY from 8L is not frequent > 3.Mithuna - VRY from 8L is not frequent; 6L in 8H is most powerful > 4.Kataka - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent > 5.Simha - VRY from 6L, 8L is not frequent; VRY from 12L is VERY > frequent; 8L in 12H is most powerful, in 6H very weak. > 6.Kanya - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful, 6L > in 8H very weak. > 7.Tula - VRY from 6L is not frequent; 8L in 6H is most powerful, in > 12H very weak; 12L in 6H is very weak. > 8.Vrischika - VRY from 6L, 8L, 12H is common. > 9.Dhanu - VRY from 8L is VERY frequent; 8L in 12H is very weak, 12L > in 8H is also very weak. > 10.Makara - VRY from 12L is not frequent. > 11.Kumbha - VRY from 6L is VERY frequent; VRY from 12L is not > frequent. > 12.Meena - VRY from 12L is not frequent; 12L in 8H is most powerful; > 6L in 8H is very weak. > > > Hope it helps to get general clues of VRY wrt signs; in fact, these > combinations seem to > filter out the chances and types of POTENTIAL VRYs for each lagna. > > Yours humbly, > KAD > , "Astrologer Ashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would > like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik- > sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there > is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are > in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries > in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets > will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down > because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by > negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon > where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively > Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY > works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life > like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get > done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against > prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H > or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet > and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get > destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's > prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These > help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this > statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is > weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they > can. > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of > the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made > prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their > childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment > etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L > etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the > native would have to earn it through work and no ready made > prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy > than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but > then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to > consider here. > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe > in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are > all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply > them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA > (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only > exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha > yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. 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