Digest Number 1174

July 26, 2005

Dear All,

Anil JI Very well written ,this is life all about .The souls journey is

pre destined in all yonis,except in the human where we have the FREE WILL OR THE

VIVEK OR WISDOM ( WHICH ONLY HUMANS ARE PROVIDED WITH) to alter the course of

the journey or destiny.But here also this will help only to attain the ultimate

or not materialistic gains or personal desires.that is if u are sick n tired of

the of the I or the ego.

Mark has explained this in subtle terms the difference between destiny or free

will,its up to individual wat he chooses.like in the east we rely on destiny

and in west its more of free will ,with ur will u can change the course of

destiny.

So astrolgers can predict the course of destiny and not the free will.

In India when the shastras were written our great sages knew the masses were

illeterate thus all were written in symbolic terms ,only a learned can go beyond

the wwords and meaning of them.

So if Mr Rajesh is talking about the vanvaas of shri Rama its the symbolic part

,wat is the hidden meaning or wat the sages want to tell you ,for this u have to

go deeper ,which i am not supposed to discuss in this forum.

To understand the life's purpose u shud watch a film intently.

Lets say Subhash Ghai wants to make a film so he needs hundreds of people to

make the film right from hero ,heroine ,extras ,sets etc everything to make a

film.

Just think Subhash Ghai as GOD ,now he assigns the roles to each character and

even the dialogue .now amitabh n rekha will get the lead role depending on their

acting talent all our assigned a specfic role to ACT in the film ( just think we

are all actors in the film of GOD )

Now for a moment imagine amitabh acting as a DON or a rich man or old man ,and

Rekha as his love ,wife or watever.So during the shooting the actors are

provided with the best of cars ,clothes,house etc needed for the shot.also

imagine a love scene between the two where they show their intense love n

passion for each other.

But wat is the reality in the evening when the shooting is over does amitabh

claims the house the cars or his clothes as his or in the love scene does in the

evening he wants to take rekha home . NO ?

All are actors they act perfectly they emote .in the evening they have no

attachment to the things they had during the shooting,all go there own way

leaving everything behind.

Similarly GOD IS doing his leela or making a film and we are actors in this mega

film,we are assigned a specific role and we have to carry out the role to

perfection.

But wat we are doing is clinging to the things provided for the shooting whether

its wife ,children house money .This is bondage for this we suffer pain.

If you act well in this life definetely u wud be assigned a better role next

time .

you have to be an actor all the time whether at work or at home ,in times of

happiness or distress,do everything but without attachment like amitabh.

watever your name is think the role is assigned to this person ( to the name

)and not to YOU

BECAUSE U R ETERNAL ,WAS,ARE,AND WILL BE THERE.

Then the ups n downs of life will not effect you.

So are Great Sages have provided two ways ,one is to enjoy acting by getting

repeated roles,or if u r fed up then by NAAM ,JAPA,DHYAN u can opt out of thiss

Leela .

This Free Will is only provided to humans to get out of this Leela.

And to promote urself to a higher actor or a better role ,do ur role perfectly

as decided by subhash ghai or GOD.

( if u r good actor only then subhash ghai will give u lead role in his next

film)

similarly GOD knows our capabilities and accordingly he assigns the roles.

SO BE HAPPY ALWAYS DO NOT GET DISTURBED ALWAYS THINK THE ROLE HAS BEEN GIVEN TO

YOU AND U HAVE TO PROVE URSELF THE BEST.

Rgds to Gurudev

kumar

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Debate on remedies provided in astrology...........

"anil"

2. Group Jyotish Blogging?

"chakrajuice"

3. a miracle

Troubled Soul

4. Re: All Respected Gurus -Will This Relation Ship Break or Sustain

Amit Deshmukh

5. Re: a miracle

"aries973"

6. Re: All Respected Gurus -Will This Relation Ship Break or Sustain

"Astrologer Ashutosh"

7. Re: Thank you david (aries973)

Troubled Soul

8. RE: Re: Need help from you. - Dear Asutosh

angel

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Message: 1

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:49:30 -0000

"anil"

Re: Debate on remedies provided in astrology...........

Let us understand it further..

we are all born with a destiny.. in present..but we all exist at this moment in

our past

and in future..simultaneosly...our astral body can travel thru all these time

slices which

we think as linear and call as past, present and future..some of us do

ether/astral travel

to future time slice and bring back some traces of energy.. which some of us are

able

to read and such people are able to see one's future..

Everything that happens is perfect and by the consent of all that is..but we

have a

free will to choose.. that is how it was designed..

so we have a born destiny..karma gives us the opportunity - pre-designed.. but

we

are free to choose to accept/reject that opportuniy..when it is good

opportunity.. we

call it luck..when it not in line with our expectations.. we call it bad luck..

but luck is

luck..

our chosen path then gives us our conscious experience..and dujring this time..

we

still keep travelling to our future which exists even at present.. and when we

donot

like our future.. we are left with a feeling that future is no fun.. and then in

present

moment re re-choose..

so we write our destiny.. how is it fixed.. karma only gives an account at the

time of

birth.. and opportunities.living environment related to our birth..

relationships, money,

culture, society rules etc..

So even if sages know your future.. or even the learned astrologers.. you have

the

power to recreate the future..if you do then they will see a different future..

i hope i am clear..

there is nothing good/bad.. right /wrong.. everything is an experience..our

conscious

mind thinks that every thing is pre-decided while every night we do astral

travel to

decide what situation is to be experienced next day..but consciousness had the

ultimate say..

Gist is : we are the masters of our reality.. our destiny..just donot label the

destiny in

our mind..

regards

anil

, arjun pandit

wrote:

> Dear friend

>

> You are a highly learnt person and knew the answers to your both queries.

>

> 1. the sages in tretayuga knew why ram was born and his objective and hence no

question of their inability to predict or preclude arises. we do not even have

any right

or knowledge to question them. when lord indra cast maya on sage gautam and

slept

with ahalya, even that powerful sage was subjected to a maya, though temporary,

and

hence there are strong reasons behind each and every failure or success and one

can

have curiosity to know why but shall not doubt the very sages, who are treated

above par with gods.

>

> 2. enough was told already in this group on karma theory. the chart denotes

the

statement of account as on the date of birth. what all good and bad karma the

native

does later would have a direct bearing and hence one shall strive to do as much

puny

as possible. there is a slok: ashadasa puraneshu vyasasya vachana dyayam,

paraopakaraya punyaya papaya parapeedanam. So, you can help and make as many

people (other than yourself) happy and get puny and be blessed.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> yogesh shah wrote:

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> yogeshshah99

>

> Dear Sir,

> 1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can be solved and they

> have remedies but i wonder really, all learned astrologers pls note

> that during shri ramchandra's period there were even more learned

> astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra who even had the

> power to see the future despite that they could not alter the path of

> destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you and me provide.

> 2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must do our karma & let

> the god decide about the results, all learned astrologers will know

> that even a native going to an astrologer and performing shanti is

> destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we are the maker of

> our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just do ur karma and let

> me take care of the rest(dont worry about results) doesn't that mean

> indirectly that there is nothing that u can do about it.

> I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and u cant do anything

> about it and if u think u can then the whole science of astrology

> will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u will have heavy

> losses during this period or ur wife will pass away if we could

> change these results then future cant be read from horoscope

>

> Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all other learned

> astrologers

>

> Humbly yours

> Yogesh

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Message: 2

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:22:26 -0000

"chakrajuice"

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Message: 3

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:49:51 +0100 (BST)

Troubled Soul

a miracle

To all respected members,

I wanted to share something with u all. If u remember about two weeks back I

posted my details asking for help from all of you. Two of the members were kind

enough to help me and suggest few remedies and even though the remedies

suggested by them were difficult to follow here such as feeding the crows and

cows etc. (I work outside india) but still will always be grateful to them as we

being totally strangers to each other they actually took some time to help me.

(I think one was mr. rajesh and other mr. bhatia).

While one of u even told me that no one is helping u becoz they don’t have time

and that I should go and see a professional astrologer and pay them. So I would

like to tell him (I don’t want to take his name) that its not that I was looking

for free remedies or just having some fun. I had consulted two astrologers in

India and also paid them their dues but since I had joined this group I thought

I may ask all these learned members as well since it will be nice to get a view

point from so many distinguished people. Anyways, but as I told u nobody else

really bothered to help and those who said that no one has got time as they are

busy I can see that they had time to help many others.

Other thing I would like to say is its ok I understand its not possible for

someone to help others all the time. That’s understandable but atleast if u cant

do good to someone u shouldn’t do something bad either. If someone is not able

to help, its not right for him to come and say we cant help u becoz we are busy

or u should pay the professional astrologers and not look for free consultation,

as someone has come to u in times of difficulties and I m sure there is another

way of saying no. And for those who say that we are not here for giving free

advice or rememdies I would just like to mention that its not wrong to help

someone when u know u r capable and u can. For example, if I know typing and

someone comes to me asking for help to type something, wouldn’t it be wrong on

my part to ask him to go and see someone professional and pay for his services.

Its just a thought I maybe wrong.

Now coming back to the point. I was facing difficulties in finances and love and

when I couldn’t see any solution I turned to you people for help but didn’t

quite get the help I expected. So the only thing I was left with was to turn to

god with full devotion. I firmly believe in Sai Baba and I prayed to him from

the bottom of my heart as I happened to read in one of books on his life the

following story :

The son, Babu Tendulkar was studying hard day and night and wanted to appear for

the medical examination. He consulted some astrologers. Examining his horoscope

they told him that the stars were not favourable that year and that he should

appear for the examination next year, when he would be certainly successful.

This cast a gloom over him and made him restless. A few days afterwards his

mother went to Shirdi and saw Baba. Amongst other things she mentioned the

gloomy and morose condition of her son, who was to appear for the examination in

a few days. Hearing this Baba said to her,"Tell your son to believe in Me, to

throw aside horoscopes and predictions of astrologers and palmists and go on

with his studies. Let him appear for the examination with a calm mind, he is

sure to pass this year. Ask him to trust in Me and not to get disappointed". The

mother returned home and communicated Baba's message to her son. Then he studied

hard and in due course appeared for the examination. In

the written papers he did well, but being overwhelmed by doubts he thought that

he would not secure sufficient marks for passing. So he did not care to appear

for the oral examination. But the examiner was after him. He sent word through a

fellow- student, stating that he had passed in the written examination and that

he should appear for the oral. The son being thus encouraged appeared for the

oral examination and was successful in both. Thus he got through the examination

that year successfully by Baba's grace, though the stars were against him. It is

to be noted here that doubts and difficulties surround us just to move us and

confirm our faith. We are tested as it were. If we only hold on steadily to Baba

with full faith and continue our endeavours, our efforts will be ultimately

crowned with success.

And guess what till yesterday I was under tremendous financial pressure and

today morning got the best surprise of my life. I got a double increment in my

job. So I thought I will share with all those who have given up hope in life

that no matter what as long as u have faith in god and patience, he will take

you out from all ur troubles as a mother saves her child from all dangers.

This mail is not intended to hurt or insult anyone. I m still a firm believer in

astrology and very proud of this science and will always support it but as they

say “Jiska koi nahi hota uska bhagwan hota hai”.

Warm regards to all

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Message: 4

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:50:18 -0700 (PDT)

Amit Deshmukh

Re: All Respected Gurus -Will This Relation Ship Break or Sustain

Hi

Let me brief u abt the background of separation..the

girl had a past with a 50+ guy who is the owner of a

small firm where she has been working since last 5-6

yrs..they shared a very deep immotional relationship

over the years which culminated into an affair which

was not told to the husband before marraige ..Both

husband and wife had almost 8 months bewteen their

engagement and marraige which took place on 31st Dec

2003..and it was later confirmed that the past

relation ship went beyond the engagement till she got

married..more over her husband found this out himself

based on suspicious behaviour of the girl.. after lot

of patience almost 4-5 months after the marraige her

husband ultimately probed into the issue and found

that his concerns were absolutely true..even after

this she was reluctant to quit the association of the

said person citing reasons of some professional

endeavours that she and he had undertaken a few years

back...She then agreed to quit the job after a

mutually agreed time limit..but again there was a roll

back and she flatly refused to do so...well there is

no clearity as to what has been forcing/compelling her

to continue her association with that person..more

over her family agrees that they knew abt the

relationship long before the girl got engaged but

failed to convince her to quit the job..and all the

reasons they have been citing are not satisfactory by

any standards..the above mentioned issue is the

primary reason for the current status of their

relationship..

Regards

Amit

--- Astrologer Ashutosh

wrote:

> Dear Amit,

>

> The love and attraction have fizzled

> out of this relationship. The separation will go on

> and a prolonged divorce case is also possible.

>

> The root cause is the difference in sexual

> desire leves. While the husband has a great libido

> and rears for more, the wife is least interested in

> any carnal relations. This must have motivated the

> husband to stray out of marriage and thus speeding

> up the break up.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

> -

> amti70

>

> Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:51

> All Respected Gurus -Will This

> Relation Ship Break or Sustain

>

> Husband

>

> BD- 16/4/1973

> BT- 14:08

> BP- Mumbai(Maharashtra,India)

>

> Wife

>

> BD- 16/8/1978

> BT- 19:30

> BP- Chandrapur(Maharashtra,India)

>

> Both husband and wife are under separation since

> last 2months

> are yet to file a separation petition.Kindly

> advice whether they can

>

> get back into the relationship or separation is

> inevitable.

>

> regards

> Amit

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Message: 5

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:50:10 -0000

"aries973"

Re: a miracle

Dear Troubled Soul,

I am so very happy that things started moving in a better direction in

your life.

I am learning Vedic Astrology, I did noticed your email looking for

help a few days ago and unfortunately I was not able to help due to my

lack of knowledge otherwise I would have.

I just want to say something here: I read the email of the person who

was suggesting you to go and pay someone in order to get advice. My

opinion is that that person had very bad taste for a start and also

lacked of business mind: I asked for help a few months ago on a

similar group and got very precious advice on problems similar to

yours. I wrote on a newsgroup on the internet because I was not able

to locate a good Vedic Astrologer in my area (I live outsite India,

too). Through a very learned member eventually I did and so now I have

a professional astrologer to whom I can ask for help and to whom I can

address my friends and family. All this through an initial free

consultation. Karma laws are the most democratic ones: if you give,

you get. If you don't...

Good luck and congratulation for the pay rise,

David

, Troubled Soul

wrote:

>

> To all respected members,

>

> I wanted to share something with u all. If u remember about two

weeks back I posted my details asking for help from all of you. Two of

the members were kind enough to help me and suggest few remedies and

even though the remedies suggested by them were difficult to follow

here such as feeding the crows and cows etc. (I work outside india)

but still will always be grateful to them as we being totally

strangers to each other they actually took some time to help me. (I

think one was mr. rajesh and other mr. bhatia).

>

> While one of u even told me that no one is helping u becoz they

don't have time and that I should go and see a professional astrologer

and pay them. So I would like to tell him (I don't want to take his

name) that its not that I was looking for free remedies or just having

some fun. I had consulted two astrologers in India and also paid them

their dues but since I had joined this group I thought I may ask all

these learned members as well since it will be nice to get a view

point from so many distinguished people. Anyways, but as I told u

nobody else really bothered to help and those who said that no one has

got time as they are busy I can see that they had time to help many

others.

>

> Other thing I would like to say is its ok I understand its not

possible for someone to help others all the time. That's

understandable but atleast if u cant do good to someone u shouldn't do

something bad either. If someone is not able to help, its not right

for him to come and say we cant help u becoz we are busy or u should

pay the professional astrologers and not look for free consultation,

as someone has come to u in times of difficulties and I m sure there

is another way of saying no. And for those who say that we are not

here for giving free advice or rememdies I would just like to mention

that its not wrong to help someone when u know u r capable and u can.

For example, if I know typing and someone comes to me asking for help

to type something, wouldn't it be wrong on my part to ask him to go

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Start your day with - make it your home page

July 26, 2005

Dear Kumarji,

What a fantastic analogy of life. I am totally blown away by it.

I had heard shakspeares quote on lif is a stage and people are actors, etc.

However it did not make as much sense to the literature challenged person like

me, untill you put it so beautifully

Thanks for posting it

Regards

Soumit

siam pacific <pacificsiam wrote: