2-Michael Hui.... Debate on remedies provided in astrology...........>> Mark Kincaid 7/25

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Dear Michael:

 

It's always such a fascinating and revealing topic this, free will vs. fate

debate.

 

One insight I've gained from Jyotish, is I've discovered a very high

correlation

between people's belief or inclination to see fate or freedom, and their

Jyotish charts.

 

In other words, I've seen those people who tend to believe more, in fate or

pre-conditionings, when I've looked at their charts, Ive seen the

unmistakable hand

of strong or dominant Saturn's!

 

In those charts, that are more believing in possibility of freedom, and

self-effort, I've

found stronger or more dominant Jupiter's!

 

Somday, I hope, people will come to find how both these qualities exist in

life.

 

We obviously have the fatalistic things, because it's all around us. We

plant an

apple seed, and we're going to get an apple tree!

 

But, if we learn how to graft or manipulate that apple seed, then the

possibilities,

of other consequences will come up.

 

Examples of these 2 wildly different points of view, in the West,

predominantly, and

in the East, show us the effect of either believing in freedom or fate.

 

In the West, where this notion of freedom of choice has taken the most hold,

we have

the most progress, change, and expansion of personal power that the World

has ever

seen.

 

In the East, to some degree, where the belief in fate has taken hold, the

most; personal

progress and self-empowerment has been much slower.

 

What I love about Jyotish, regardless of this debate, is being able to

explain to every

individual the present reasons 'why' he/she is the way that they are.

 

Personally, I believe in both freedom and fate. And, when I look at my

chart, I have both

Jupiter & Saturn influencing my Moon, simultaneously.

 

But, my Sun in Leo, inclines me to believe in self-improvement and

development, so that's

what I enjoy.

 

Finally, it's the most inspiring to me to run into those people who would

like to improve

their lives and are open to discovering why it's been so far elusive.

 

This experience of being able to show how people can improve their malefics

in their charts,

is the most convincing to me of self-determinism.

 

 

Jai Guru

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

michael tee eng hui <mteh1

 

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:52:22 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: Re: Debate on remedies provided in astrology...........

 

 

Hi fellow members and esteemed astrologers,

 

I am not a follower of the ancient scriptures, but I

was told that even some sage(s) differ in their

opinion in that some believe in karma(destiny and

fate) and some in will power(you are master of your

own destiny).

 

I believe in fate(karma), in that God must still be

willing to give you the chance to change for the

better.

 

Getting advice from an astrologer, whether good or

bad, performing the remedies whether correctly of

wrongly, and accepting or not accepting the advice is

fated.

 

If one has performed much good in present life, some

say due to will power and believing in we are indeed

masters of our own destiny, we are able to better our

lifes. This is also due to karma(ultimately).

 

Don't you think so?

 

One Master told me he got upset when a fellow

astrologer told him, "Why are you so serious in your

work? Just look at their chart, suggest some remedies,

do some prayers for them. Whether their life turns out

for the better after that is not your problem. They

still need to pay for your services". They were

arguing about karma etc.

 

The master got so pissed, he went near to the other

fellow astrologer, "Stop talking nonsense. Now I'm

going to slap you. Is this my will, or god's will?"

 

If God gives you the chance to do good, be gracious,

do the good deeds and better things will happen in

your life or next life. If you were meant to murder

someone(as example) because both of you had tremendous

disputes for however many past lifes, then what am I

to say?

 

Or if you stole this person's money or wife in

previous life and he/she comes back and do the same to

you then its still fate acting, isn't it?

 

One can only pray and perform remedies to a certain

extent. Sometimes lying low, acting stupid and pretend

to be blur can to a certain extend alleviate a lot of

troubles.

 

A person I know received an advice from an astrologer

not to go overseas if he wanted to preserve his

health/life(he had a weak heart). This man promptly

went overseas a few weeks later to visit his daughter.

He died overseas.

 

He had good advice but (our)life is in God's hand.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mike

 

(Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

 

> Yogesh,

>

> I could be misinterpreting this but if what you are

> saying lets one

> conclude that no one can guarantee all predictions

> or all remedies

> (i.e., all predictions will come true or all

> remedies will produce

> the desired effect or anything can be *fixed* by

> remedies) then you

> are probably right, at least until such time when at

> least one (and

> hopefully more if not all) individual can have such

> a documented

> track record.

>

> One of the most tired non-sequiter (sp?) statement

> in astrology is:

> Astrology is always right, the astrologer may not be

> right. How can

> one judge the limits of what astrology can or cannot

> do, unless

> through its practitioners?

>

> Until a high degree of successful, consistent and

> complete

> predictions given solely by astrological techniques

> (other factors

> not tipping the hand, as they say) can be attained,

> it is safe to

> assume that there is a lot between the heaven and

> earth that we do

> not know or understand. The karma/bhakti-path type

> approach (I just

> work, God assesses it and gives the results -- and

> that there is a

> just God who is actually watching over each of us,

> all the time)

> might be the closest to sanity and far away from

> chaos, that the

> modern world is beginning to claim an oscar for!

>

> RR

>

>

> , yogesh shah

>

> <yogeshshah99> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> >

> > yogeshshah99

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > 1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can

> be solved and they

> > have remedies but i wonder really, all learned

> astrologers pls note

> > that during shri ramchandra's period there were

> even more learned

> > astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra

> who even had the

> > power to see the future despite that they could

> not alter the path

> of

> > destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you

> and me provide.

> > 2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must

> do our karma & let

> > the god decide about the results, all learned

> astrologers will know

> > that even a native going to an astrologer and

> performing shanti is

> > destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we

> are the maker of

> > our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just

> do ur karma and

> let

> > me take care of the rest(dont worry about results)

> doesn't that

> mean

> > indirectly that there is nothing that u can do

> about it.

> > I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and

> u cant do

> anything

> > about it and if u think u can then the whole

> science of astrology

> > will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u

> will have heavy

> > losses during this period or ur wife will pass

> away if we could

> > change these results then future cant be read from

> horoscope

> >

> >

> > Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all

> other learned

> > astrologers

> >

> > Humbly yours

> > Yogesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Start your day with - make it your home

> page

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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