decision of weak/strong planets-2nd question

[Guest guest]

Hi Tanvir ji and others

 

Thanks for explaining the things to me.

Now I have second set of question(hope u ppl do not

mind answering it) :-

 

Question1:-

-------------

There are two concepts of functional malefic and

natural malefic planet.

EG-> Saturn is considered natural malefic planet but

for tauras asc people,it is lord of 9th and 10th house

and is considered yogakarka and functional benefic

planet.Coming to theory given by you :-

 

> Benefic planets being strong - (Almost) pure good

> Benefic planets being weak - no power to do the good

> thus some areas of life might suffer, like not being

> rich, not being good student, not being very

> successful etc. It would cause lack of development.

> Benefics being very weak - (Or weakness+afflicted)

> then they rather harm pertaining to the matters they

> govern.

>

> Malefic planets being weak - They do great harm

> Malefic planets being strong - they also do harm,

> but harm of different nature. Plus they offer

> benefits also being strong.

 

These benefic/malefic are not absolute rather they are

functional.

 

Question 2:-

-------------

Incase some planet is debilitated and is causing harm

then simiply praying to that lord will help ?(since

there are other rules of 5th lord 3rd lord etc which

are not considered so no dhan,fast etc is done)

 

I have seen charts of two sisters ,both with

debilitated mars:-

Sis1-> leo asc with mars deb in 12th house (22 deg)

Sis2-> scorpio asc with mars deb in 9th house (11 deg)

Now Sis2 has deb mars present in 9th house.

And Sis1 has 9th lord as mars in 12th house.

Both are affecting their father badly. Father is

affected badly in work and relationships. Father's

birth details are not available.

 

Incase both sisters pray to lord hanuman on

tuesdays-will that help their father.

 

Can we suggest such thing.

 

Please responsd.

 

many thanks

angel goel

 

 

 

 

--- Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

 

> Hi Angel,

>

> Such things are not straight forward.

>

> A planet will be strong if exalted, the deep

> exaltation point offers only a bit more strength

> than normal exaltation (That's my view). Exalted

> planets will lose some of strength if debilitated in

> D9 etc., but not all strength of it.

>

> Benefic and malefic are different concepts than the

> strength. Benefic / malefic shows the intention and

> nature of the planet (toward you) and strength shows

> it's ability to do what it wants to do.

>

> Benefic planets being strong - (Almost) pure good

> Benefic planets being weak - no power to do the good

> thus some areas of life might suffer, like not being

> rich, not being good student, not being very

> successful etc. It would cause lack of development.

> Benefics being very weak - (Or weakness+afflicted)

> then they rather harm pertaining to the matters they

> govern.

>

> Malefic planets being weak - They do great harm

> Malefic planets being strong - they also do harm,

> but harm of different nature. Plus they offer

> benefits also being strong.

>

> So it is better to have strong malefics than weak

> malefics. What matters most is if a malefic is

> aspecting or harming, or catching up benefics / or

> important planets in the chart. That is the key.

>

> Even pure benefic planets being too strong can cause

> some problems of different nature. Example - too

> strong Venus - much company from opposite sex and

> even physical relationship with many, esp if

> connected to 7L and 7H etc. Very strong Sun - much

> authoritative and too dominant, etc.

>

> Such things to be learnt by much practice and

> experience.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> problem solving remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> angel

> jv ; jr

> Friday, July 22, 2005 10:31 AM

> decision of weak/strong planets

>

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a doubt-HOW it is decided that planets are

> weak

> or strong.

>

> One way is deciding the position of

> planets-exalted,mooltrikona,own house,debilated

> sign.

> Incase some planets is in its sign of exaltion

> then we

> see the basic nature/lordship of the house then we

> decide regarding the strength of planet.

>

> My question does the longitude/latitude of the

> planets

> also matter.Or some other things/concepts are to

> be

> taken care of.Please advice on this.

>

> Going further,Incase a planet is in exaltion sign

> (BUT

> not extreme point of exaltion) still the planet

> must

> act as benefic.The amount of benefit done by such

> planet will not be extreme but definitely good and

> planet can not be called weak planet.

>

>

>

> many thanks

> angel goel

> ===================

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Tanvir ji and others

 

Thanks for explaining the things to me.

Now I have second set of question(hope u ppl do not

mind answering it) :-

 

Question1:-

-------------

There are two concepts of functional malefic and

natural malefic planet.

EG-> Saturn is considered natural malefic planet but

for tauras asc people,it is lord of 9th and 10th house

and is considered yogakarka and functional benefic

planet.Coming to theory given by you :-

 

> Benefic planets being strong - (Almost) pure good

> Benefic planets being weak - no power to do the good

> thus some areas of life might suffer, like not being

> rich, not being good student, not being very

> successful etc. It would cause lack of development.

> Benefics being very weak - (Or weakness+afflicted)

> then they rather harm pertaining to the matters they

> govern.

>

> Malefic planets being weak - They do great harm

> Malefic planets being strong - they also do harm,

> but harm of different nature. Plus they offer

> benefits also being strong.

 

These benefic/malefic are not absolute rather they are

functional.

 

Question 2:-

-------------

Incase some planet is debilitated and is causing harm

then simiply praying to that lord will help ?(since

there are other rules of 5th lord 3rd lord etc which

are not considered so no dhan,fast etc is done)

 

I have seen charts of two sisters ,both with

debilitated mars:-

Sis1-> leo asc with mars deb in 12th house (22 deg)

Sis2-> scorpio asc with mars deb in 9th house (11 deg)

Now Sis2 has deb mars present in 9th house.

And Sis1 has 9th lord as mars in 12th house.

Both are affecting their father badly. Father is

affected badly in work and relationships. Father's

birth details are not available.

 

Incase both sisters pray to lord hanuman on

tuesdays-will that help their father.

 

Can we suggest such thing.

 

Please responsd.

 

many thanks

angel goel

 

--- angel <angelgoel wrote:

 

> Hi Tanvir ji and others

>

> Thanks for explaining the things to me.

> Now I have second set of question(hope u ppl do not

> mind answering it) :-

>

> Question1:-

> -------------

> There are two concepts of functional malefic and

> natural malefic planet.

> EG-> Saturn is considered natural malefic planet but

> for tauras asc people,it is lord of 9th and 10th

> house

> and is considered yogakarka and functional benefic

> planet.Coming to theory given by you :-

>

> > Benefic planets being strong - (Almost) pure good

> > Benefic planets being weak - no power to do the

> good

> > thus some areas of life might suffer, like not

> being

> > rich, not being good student, not being very

> > successful etc. It would cause lack of

> development.

> > Benefics being very weak - (Or weakness+afflicted)

> > then they rather harm pertaining to the matters

> they

> > govern.

> >

> > Malefic planets being weak - They do great harm

> > Malefic planets being strong - they also do harm,

> > but harm of different nature. Plus they offer

> > benefits also being strong.

>

> These benefic/malefic are not absolute rather they

> are

> functional.

>

> Question 2:-

> -------------

> Incase some planet is debilitated and is causing

> harm

> then simiply praying to that lord will help ?(since

> there are other rules of 5th lord 3rd lord etc which

> are not considered so no dhan,fast etc is done)

>

> I have seen charts of two sisters ,both with

> debilitated mars:-

> Sis1-> leo asc with mars deb in 12th house (22 deg)

> Sis2-> scorpio asc with mars deb in 9th house (11

> deg)

> Now Sis2 has deb mars present in 9th house.

> And Sis1 has 9th lord as mars in 12th house.

> Both are affecting their father badly. Father is

> affected badly in work and relationships. Father's

> birth details are not available.

>

> Incase both sisters pray to lord hanuman on

> tuesdays-will that help their father.

>

> Can we suggest such thing.

>

> Please responsd.

>

> many thanks

> angel goel

>

>

>

>

> --- Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

>

> > Hi Angel,

> >

> > Such things are not straight forward.

> >

> > A planet will be strong if exalted, the deep

> > exaltation point offers only a bit more strength

> > than normal exaltation (That's my view). Exalted

> > planets will lose some of strength if debilitated

> in

> > D9 etc., but not all strength of it.

> >

> > Benefic and malefic are different concepts than

> the

> > strength. Benefic / malefic shows the intention

> and

> > nature of the planet (toward you) and strength

> shows

> > it's ability to do what it wants to do.

> >

> > Benefic planets being strong - (Almost) pure good

> > Benefic planets being weak - no power to do the

> good

> > thus some areas of life might suffer, like not

> being

> > rich, not being good student, not being very

> > successful etc. It would cause lack of

> development.

> > Benefics being very weak - (Or weakness+afflicted)

> > then they rather harm pertaining to the matters

> they

> > govern.

> >

> > Malefic planets being weak - They do great harm

> > Malefic planets being strong - they also do harm,

> > but harm of different nature. Plus they offer

> > benefits also being strong.

> >

> > So it is better to have strong malefics than weak

> > malefics. What matters most is if a malefic is

> > aspecting or harming, or catching up benefics / or

> > important planets in the chart. That is the key.

> >

> > Even pure benefic planets being too strong can

> cause

> > some problems of different nature. Example - too

> > strong Venus - much company from opposite sex and

> > even physical relationship with many, esp if

> > connected to 7L and 7H etc. Very strong Sun - much

> > authoritative and too dominant, etc.

> >

> > Such things to be learnt by much practice and

> > experience.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Tanvir.

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> > (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> > problem solving remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > angel

> > jv ; jr

> > Friday, July 22, 2005 10:31 AM

> > decision of weak/strong planets

> >

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > I have a doubt-HOW it is decided that planets

> are

> > weak

> > or strong.

> >

> > One way is deciding the position of

> > planets-exalted,mooltrikona,own house,debilated

> > sign.

> > Incase some planets is in its sign of exaltion

> > then we

> > see the basic nature/lordship of the house then

> we

> > decide regarding the strength of planet.

> >

> > My question does the longitude/latitude of the

> > planets

> > also matter.Or some other things/concepts are to

> > be

> > taken care of.Please advice on this.

> >

> > Going further,Incase a planet is in exaltion

> sign

> > (BUT

> > not extreme point of exaltion) still the planet

> > must

> > act as benefic.The amount of benefit done by

> such

> > planet will not be extreme but definitely good

> and

> > planet can not be called weak planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > many thanks

> > angel goel

> > ===================

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> /

>

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[Guest guest]

hello angel,

iam answering your last part for the second as iam not sure my earlier detailed

mail reached you

Incase both sisters pray to lord hanuman on

tuesdays-will that help their father

Sun is the karaka for father and so praying to hanuman may

not hel from the point of view of father.

More over both sisters have differnt ascdts.praying by each one of them to the

9th lord is helpful.

In any case Aditya Hridayam is the best to safe guard fathers health.

As far as your first is to explain the nuances for your own understanding.hence

no comments

krishnan

angel <angelgoel wrote:

Hi Tanvir ji and others

 

Thanks for explaining the things to me.

Now I have second set of question(hope u ppl do not

mind answering it) :-

 

Question1:-

-------------

There are two concepts of functional malefic and

natural malefic planet.

EG-> Saturn is considered natural malefic planet but

for tauras asc people,it is lord of 9th and 10th house

and is considered yogakarka and functional benefic

planet.Coming to theory given by you :-

 

> Benefic planets being strong - (Almost) pure good

> Benefic planets being weak - no power to do the good

> thus some areas of life might suffer, like not being

> rich, not being good student, not being very

> successful etc. It would cause lack of development.

> Benefics being very weak - (Or weakness+afflicted)

> then they rather harm pertaining to the matters they

> govern.

>

> Malefic planets being weak - They do great harm

> Malefic planets being strong - they also do harm,

> but harm of different nature. Plus they offer

> benefits also being strong.

 

These benefic/malefic are not absolute rather they are

functional.

 

Question 2:-

-------------

Incase some planet is debilitated and is causing harm

then simiply praying to that lord will help ?(since

there are other rules of 5th lord 3rd lord etc which

are not considered so no dhan,fast etc is done)

 

I have seen charts of two sisters ,both with

debilitated mars:-

Sis1-> leo asc with mars deb in 12th house (22 deg)

Sis2-> scorpio asc with mars deb in 9th house (11 deg)

Now Sis2 has deb mars present in 9th house.

And Sis1 has 9th lord as mars in 12th house.

Both are affecting their father badly. Father is

affected badly in work and relationships. Father's

birth details are not available.

 

Incase both sisters pray to lord hanuman on

tuesdays-will that help their father.

 

Can we suggest such thing.

 

Please responsd.

 

many thanks

angel goel

 

 

 

 

--- Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

 

> Hi Angel,

>

> Such things are not straight forward.

>

> A planet will be strong if exalted, the deep

> exaltation point offers only a bit more strength

> than normal exaltation (That's my view). Exalted

> planets will lose some of strength if debilitated in

> D9 etc., but not all strength of it.

>

> Benefic and malefic are different concepts than the

> strength. Benefic / malefic shows the intention and

> nature of the planet (toward you) and strength shows

> it's ability to do what it wants to do.

>

> Benefic planets being strong - (Almost) pure good

> Benefic planets being weak - no power to do the good

> thus some areas of life might suffer, like not being

> rich, not being good student, not being very

> successful etc. It would cause lack of development.

> Benefics being very weak - (Or weakness+afflicted)

> then they rather harm pertaining to the matters they

> govern.

>

> Malefic planets being weak - They do great harm

> Malefic planets being strong - they also do harm,

> but harm of different nature. Plus they offer

> benefits also being strong.

>

> So it is better to have strong malefics than weak

> malefics. What matters most is if a malefic is

> aspecting or harming, or catching up benefics / or

> important planets in the chart. That is the key.

>

> Even pure benefic planets being too strong can cause

> some problems of different nature. Example - too

> strong Venus - much company from opposite sex and

> even physical relationship with many, esp if

> connected to 7L and 7H etc. Very strong Sun - much

> authoritative and too dominant, etc.

>

> Such things to be learnt by much practice and

> experience.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> problem solving remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> angel

> jv ; jr

> Friday, July 22, 2005 10:31 AM

> decision of weak/strong planets

>

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a doubt-HOW it is decided that planets are

> weak

> or strong.

>

> One way is deciding the position of

> planets-exalted,mooltrikona,own house,debilated

> sign.

> Incase some planets is in its sign of exaltion

> then we

> see the basic nature/lordship of the house then we

> decide regarding the strength of planet.

>

> My question does the longitude/latitude of the

> planets

> also matter.Or some other things/concepts are to

> be

> taken care of.Please advice on this.

>

> Going further,Incase a planet is in exaltion sign

> (BUT

> not extreme point of exaltion) still the planet

> must

> act as benefic.The amount of benefit done by such

> planet will not be extreme but definitely good and

> planet can not be called weak planet.

>

>

>

> many thanks

> angel goel

> ===================

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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