Debate on remedies provided in astrology...........

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yogeshshah99

 

Dear Sir,

1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can be solved and they

have remedies but i wonder really, all learned astrologers pls note

that during shri ramchandra's period there were even more learned

astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra who even had the

power to see the future despite that they could not alter the path of

destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you and me provide.

2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must do our karma & let

the god decide about the results, all learned astrologers will know

that even a native going to an astrologer and performing shanti is

destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we are the maker of

our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just do ur karma and let

me take care of the rest(dont worry about results) doesn't that mean

indirectly that there is nothing that u can do about it.

I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and u cant do anything

about it and if u think u can then the whole science of astrology

will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u will have heavy

losses during this period or ur wife will pass away if we could

change these results then future cant be read from horoscope

 

 

Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all other learned

astrologers

 

Humbly yours

Yogesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sir,

Our Ithihasas have done great service to Humanity by imparting values.Our sages

have sacrificed their lives knowing how the yugas change.In threta yuga Sri ram

is an avatar purusha (who himself had volunteered) to keep the word of his

father to mother.If this could have been otherwise the wisdom of sages(in not

changing the course) would not have come to our notice.Probably the story of

vanaras would not have been there.

"they could not alter the path of

destiny of Shriram & janakimata,"

Probably the point of discussion is something else.

As far as jyotish is concernes and horoscope as tool to reveal future and

destiny is concerned the same story of rama has indicated to King Dasaratha that

Sri rama will be denied of His power to rule Ayodhya and amply makes clear how

dasa of saturn in his life has made him a Vanavasi.it is story revealing

sacrifices.

We may only debate and get guided according to our preferences than consensus.So

the inference of

 

"then future cant be read from horoscope" may hold good according to our own

approach and preferences

krishnan

 

yogesh shah <yogeshshah99 wrote:

 

 

 

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

 

yogeshshah99

 

Dear Sir,

1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can be solved and they

have remedies but i wonder really, all learned astrologers pls note

that during shri ramchandra's period there were even more learned

astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra who even had the

power to see the future despite that they could not alter the path of

destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you and me provide.

2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must do our karma & let

the god decide about the results, all learned astrologers will know

that even a native going to an astrologer and performing shanti is

destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we are the maker of

our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just do ur karma and let

me take care of the rest(dont worry about results) doesn't that mean

indirectly that there is nothing that u can do about it.

I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and u cant do anything

about it and if u think u can then the whole science of astrology

will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u will have heavy

losses during this period or ur wife will pass away if we could

change these results then future cant be read from horoscope

 

 

Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all other learned

astrologers

 

Humbly yours

Yogesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yogesh,

 

I could be misinterpreting this but if what you are saying lets one

conclude that no one can guarantee all predictions or all remedies

(i.e., all predictions will come true or all remedies will produce

the desired effect or anything can be *fixed* by remedies) then you

are probably right, at least until such time when at least one (and

hopefully more if not all) individual can have such a documented

track record.

 

One of the most tired non-sequiter (sp?) statement in astrology is:

Astrology is always right, the astrologer may not be right. How can

one judge the limits of what astrology can or cannot do, unless

through its practitioners?

 

Until a high degree of successful, consistent and complete

predictions given solely by astrological techniques (other factors

not tipping the hand, as they say) can be attained, it is safe to

assume that there is a lot between the heaven and earth that we do

not know or understand. The karma/bhakti-path type approach (I just

work, God assesses it and gives the results -- and that there is a

just God who is actually watching over each of us, all the time)

might be the closest to sanity and far away from chaos, that the

modern world is beginning to claim an oscar for!

 

RR

 

 

, yogesh shah

<yogeshshah99> wrote:

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

>

> yogeshshah99

>

> Dear Sir,

> 1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can be solved and they

> have remedies but i wonder really, all learned astrologers pls note

> that during shri ramchandra's period there were even more learned

> astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra who even had the

> power to see the future despite that they could not alter the path

of

> destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you and me provide.

> 2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must do our karma & let

> the god decide about the results, all learned astrologers will know

> that even a native going to an astrologer and performing shanti is

> destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we are the maker of

> our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just do ur karma and

let

> me take care of the rest(dont worry about results) doesn't that

mean

> indirectly that there is nothing that u can do about it.

> I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and u cant do

anything

> about it and if u think u can then the whole science of astrology

> will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u will have heavy

> losses during this period or ur wife will pass away if we could

> change these results then future cant be read from horoscope

>

>

> Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all other learned

> astrologers

>

> Humbly yours

> Yogesh

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

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Hi fellow members and esteemed astrologers,

 

I am not a follower of the ancient scriptures, but I

was told that even some sage(s) differ in their

opinion in that some believe in karma(destiny and

fate) and some in will power(you are master of your

own destiny).

 

I believe in fate(karma), in that God must still be

willing to give you the chance to change for the

better.

 

Getting advice from an astrologer, whether good or

bad, performing the remedies whether correctly of

wrongly, and accepting or not accepting the advice is

fated.

 

If one has performed much good in present life, some

say due to will power and believing in we are indeed

masters of our own destiny, we are able to better our

lifes. This is also due to karma(ultimately).

 

Don't you think so?

 

One Master told me he got upset when a fellow

astrologer told him, "Why are you so serious in your

work? Just look at their chart, suggest some remedies,

do some prayers for them. Whether their life turns out

for the better after that is not your problem. They

still need to pay for your services". They were

arguing about karma etc.

 

The master got so pissed, he went near to the other

fellow astrologer, "Stop talking nonsense. Now I'm

going to slap you. Is this my will, or god's will?"

 

If God gives you the chance to do good, be gracious,

do the good deeds and better things will happen in

your life or next life. If you were meant to murder

someone(as example) because both of you had tremendous

disputes for however many past lifes, then what am I

to say?

 

Or if you stole this person's money or wife in

previous life and he/she comes back and do the same to

you then its still fate acting, isn't it?

 

One can only pray and perform remedies to a certain

extent. Sometimes lying low, acting stupid and pretend

to be blur can to a certain extend alleviate a lot of

troubles.

 

A person I know received an advice from an astrologer

not to go overseas if he wanted to preserve his

health/life(he had a weak heart). This man promptly

went overseas a few weeks later to visit his daughter.

He died overseas.

 

He had good advice but (our)life is in God's hand.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mike

 

(Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

 

> Yogesh,

>

> I could be misinterpreting this but if what you are

> saying lets one

> conclude that no one can guarantee all predictions

> or all remedies

> (i.e., all predictions will come true or all

> remedies will produce

> the desired effect or anything can be *fixed* by

> remedies) then you

> are probably right, at least until such time when at

> least one (and

> hopefully more if not all) individual can have such

> a documented

> track record.

>

> One of the most tired non-sequiter (sp?) statement

> in astrology is:

> Astrology is always right, the astrologer may not be

> right. How can

> one judge the limits of what astrology can or cannot

> do, unless

> through its practitioners?

>

> Until a high degree of successful, consistent and

> complete

> predictions given solely by astrological techniques

> (other factors

> not tipping the hand, as they say) can be attained,

> it is safe to

> assume that there is a lot between the heaven and

> earth that we do

> not know or understand. The karma/bhakti-path type

> approach (I just

> work, God assesses it and gives the results -- and

> that there is a

> just God who is actually watching over each of us,

> all the time)

> might be the closest to sanity and far away from

> chaos, that the

> modern world is beginning to claim an oscar for!

>

> RR

>

>

> , yogesh shah

>

> <yogeshshah99> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> >

> > yogeshshah99

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > 1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can

> be solved and they

> > have remedies but i wonder really, all learned

> astrologers pls note

> > that during shri ramchandra's period there were

> even more learned

> > astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra

> who even had the

> > power to see the future despite that they could

> not alter the path

> of

> > destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you

> and me provide.

> > 2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must

> do our karma & let

> > the god decide about the results, all learned

> astrologers will know

> > that even a native going to an astrologer and

> performing shanti is

> > destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we

> are the maker of

> > our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just

> do ur karma and

> let

> > me take care of the rest(dont worry about results)

> doesn't that

> mean

> > indirectly that there is nothing that u can do

> about it.

> > I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and

> u cant do

> anything

> > about it and if u think u can then the whole

> science of astrology

> > will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u

> will have heavy

> > losses during this period or ur wife will pass

> away if we could

> > change these results then future cant be read from

> horoscope

> >

> >

> > Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all

> other learned

> > astrologers

> >

> > Humbly yours

> > Yogesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Start your day with - make it your home

> page

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Michael,

 

The following statements evoke some thoughts and questions stated

here just to point out the complexity of the reality and not to

question or berate what was written by you.

 

The following assumes that 'death' is necessarily bad or even

avoidable (even for a short while, obviously not ultimately as we all

know!). Maybe the man needed to visit his daughter to discharge some

karma and if he had not, he would have died anyway but an unhappier

person for not having visit and met his daughter. Who knows if there

is really a right or wrong option in this case.

 

Therein lies the dilemma. What is the right action? Sometimes, as in

your example from real life, it is difficult to figure out, even

after the fact. I only hope that the individual died in peace.

 

RR

 

 

Quoted from below:

> A person I know received an advice from an astrologer

> not to go overseas if he wanted to preserve his

> health/life(he had a weak heart). This man promptly

> went overseas a few weeks later to visit his daughter.

> He died overseas.

>

> He had good advice but (our)life is in God's hand.

 

 

, michael tee eng hui

<mteh1> wrote:

> Hi fellow members and esteemed astrologers,

>

> I am not a follower of the ancient scriptures, but I

> was told that even some sage(s) differ in their

> opinion in that some believe in karma(destiny and

> fate) and some in will power(you are master of your

> own destiny).

>

> I believe in fate(karma), in that God must still be

> willing to give you the chance to change for the

> better.

>

> Getting advice from an astrologer, whether good or

> bad, performing the remedies whether correctly of

> wrongly, and accepting or not accepting the advice is

> fated.

>

> If one has performed much good in present life, some

> say due to will power and believing in we are indeed

> masters of our own destiny, we are able to better our

> lifes. This is also due to karma(ultimately).

>

> Don't you think so?

>

> One Master told me he got upset when a fellow

> astrologer told him, "Why are you so serious in your

> work? Just look at their chart, suggest some remedies,

> do some prayers for them. Whether their life turns out

> for the better after that is not your problem. They

> still need to pay for your services". They were

> arguing about karma etc.

>

> The master got so pissed, he went near to the other

> fellow astrologer, "Stop talking nonsense. Now I'm

> going to slap you. Is this my will, or god's will?"

>

> If God gives you the chance to do good, be gracious,

> do the good deeds and better things will happen in

> your life or next life. If you were meant to murder

> someone(as example) because both of you had tremendous

> disputes for however many past lifes, then what am I

> to say?

>

> Or if you stole this person's money or wife in

> previous life and he/she comes back and do the same to

> you then its still fate acting, isn't it?

>

> One can only pray and perform remedies to a certain

> extent. Sometimes lying low, acting stupid and pretend

> to be blur can to a certain extend alleviate a lot of

> troubles.

>

> A person I know received an advice from an astrologer

> not to go overseas if he wanted to preserve his

> health/life(he had a weak heart). This man promptly

> went overseas a few weeks later to visit his daughter.

> He died overseas.

>

> He had good advice but (our)life is in God's hand.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mike

>

> (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> > Yogesh,

> >

> > I could be misinterpreting this but if what you are

> > saying lets one

> > conclude that no one can guarantee all predictions

> > or all remedies

> > (i.e., all predictions will come true or all

> > remedies will produce

> > the desired effect or anything can be *fixed* by

> > remedies) then you

> > are probably right, at least until such time when at

> > least one (and

> > hopefully more if not all) individual can have such

> > a documented

> > track record.

> >

> > One of the most tired non-sequiter (sp?) statement

> > in astrology is:

> > Astrology is always right, the astrologer may not be

> > right. How can

> > one judge the limits of what astrology can or cannot

> > do, unless

> > through its practitioners?

> >

> > Until a high degree of successful, consistent and

> > complete

> > predictions given solely by astrological techniques

> > (other factors

> > not tipping the hand, as they say) can be attained,

> > it is safe to

> > assume that there is a lot between the heaven and

> > earth that we do

> > not know or understand. The karma/bhakti-path type

> > approach (I just

> > work, God assesses it and gives the results -- and

> > that there is a

> > just God who is actually watching over each of us,

> > all the time)

> > might be the closest to sanity and far away from

> > chaos, that the

> > modern world is beginning to claim an oscar for!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , yogesh shah

> >

> > <yogeshshah99> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > >

> > > yogeshshah99

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > 1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can

> > be solved and they

> > > have remedies but i wonder really, all learned

> > astrologers pls note

> > > that during shri ramchandra's period there were

> > even more learned

> > > astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra

> > who even had the

> > > power to see the future despite that they could

> > not alter the path

> > of

> > > destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you

> > and me provide.

> > > 2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must

> > do our karma & let

> > > the god decide about the results, all learned

> > astrologers will know

> > > that even a native going to an astrologer and

> > performing shanti is

> > > destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we

> > are the maker of

> > > our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just

> > do ur karma and

> > let

> > > me take care of the rest(dont worry about results)

> > doesn't that

> > mean

> > > indirectly that there is nothing that u can do

> > about it.

> > > I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and

> > u cant do

> > anything

> > > about it and if u think u can then the whole

> > science of astrology

> > > will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u

> > will have heavy

> > > losses during this period or ur wife will pass

> > away if we could

> > > change these results then future cant be read from

> > horoscope

> > >

> > >

> > > Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all

> > other learned

> > > astrologers

> > >

> > > Humbly yours

> > > Yogesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Start your day with - make it your home

> > page

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear friend,

Perhaps it would be clearer when you try to understand KARMA as

SANCHITA, PRAARABDHA and AAGAAMI ie

FIXED, FLEXIBLE and FUTURE nature of KARMA. In banking terms of one's

KARMA account, they are

Brought Forward Balance, Transactive Current Balance and Carried Over

Balance of Karma!

 

What all anyone argues to be PRE-DESTINED would be the SANCHITA karma

which can not be changed

at least by the person(KARMI), in any way and hence is unchanged and

fixed at birth; rather,

the birth itself is due to sanchita karma. But what astrology aims at

is the FLEXIBLE Karma

or PRARABDHA karma, which can certainly be changed by the person to

certain extent, to save a

good amount of karma; whether it is white or black, depends on his

deeds. Certainly astro-

remedies can help here. Present events are not 100% pre-destined but

pre-planned which can be

flexible in their own fashion, depending on sanchita Karma. At death,

present balance is

carried over for the next birth for AAGAMI karma.

 

Though Narayana(Lord) plans, for execution Nara(human) is a must

which is same as saying that

destiny guides but freewill acts; they are inter-dependant but never

fully independant!

The Geeta exists because there existed Krishna(Narayana) as well as

Arjuna(Nara); they both made it!

In your example of SriRama's case, the then great astrologers could

not have prevented his exile etc,

because he was born to kill Ravana and Kumbhakarna, which is HIS

SANCHITA KARMA from previous

incarnations.(ref to Jaya-Vijaya and 4 incarnations of Vishnu)

 

So, there is nothing wrong in suggesting remedies for betterment of

flexible Karma; they do

hold good to influence flexible and futuristic Karma but not the

fixed part.

 

yours humbly,

KAD

 

 

 

, yogesh shah

<yogeshshah99> wrote:

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

>

> yogeshshah99

>

> Dear Sir,

> 1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can be solved and they

> have remedies but i wonder really, all learned astrologers pls note

> that during shri ramchandra's period there were even more learned

> astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra who even had the

> power to see the future despite that they could not alter the path

of

> destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you and me provide.

> 2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must do our karma & let

> the god decide about the results, all learned astrologers will know

> that even a native going to an astrologer and performing shanti is

> destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we are the maker of

> our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just do ur karma and

let

> me take care of the rest(dont worry about results) doesn't that

mean

> indirectly that there is nothing that u can do about it.

> I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and u cant do

anything

> about it and if u think u can then the whole science of astrology

> will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u will have heavy

> losses during this period or ur wife will pass away if we could

> change these results then future cant be read from horoscope

>

>

> Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all other learned

> astrologers

>

> Humbly yours

> Yogesh

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RR,

 

thanks for your reply. I totally agree with you. The

native asked about his own health/life expectancy. So

the question was dealt with accordingly. You see my

point, Sir?

 

Put it this way, even if the astrologer knew his time

was up I doubt he will be so direct in his

reply.....hence.....

 

Michael

 

--- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

 

> Michael,

>

> The following statements evoke some thoughts and

> questions stated

> here just to point out the complexity of the reality

> and not to

> question or berate what was written by you.

>

> The following assumes that 'death' is necessarily

> bad or even

> avoidable (even for a short while, obviously not

> ultimately as we all

> know!). Maybe the man needed to visit his daughter

> to discharge some

> karma and if he had not, he would have died anyway

> but an unhappier

> person for not having visit and met his daughter.

> Who knows if there

> is really a right or wrong option in this case.

>

> Therein lies the dilemma. What is the right action?

> Sometimes, as in

> your example from real life, it is difficult to

> figure out, even

> after the fact. I only hope that the individual died

> in peace.

>

> RR

>

>

> Quoted from below:

> > A person I know received an advice from an

> astrologer

> > not to go overseas if he wanted to preserve his

> > health/life(he had a weak heart). This man

> promptly

> > went overseas a few weeks later to visit his

> daughter.

> > He died overseas.

> >

> > He had good advice but (our)life is in God's hand.

>

>

> , michael tee

> eng hui

> <mteh1> wrote:

> > Hi fellow members and esteemed astrologers,

> >

> > I am not a follower of the ancient scriptures, but

> I

> > was told that even some sage(s) differ in their

> > opinion in that some believe in karma(destiny and

> > fate) and some in will power(you are master of

> your

> > own destiny).

> >

> > I believe in fate(karma), in that God must still

> be

> > willing to give you the chance to change for the

> > better.

> >

> > Getting advice from an astrologer, whether good or

> > bad, performing the remedies whether correctly of

> > wrongly, and accepting or not accepting the advice

> is

> > fated.

> >

> > If one has performed much good in present life,

> some

> > say due to will power and believing in we are

> indeed

> > masters of our own destiny, we are able to better

> our

> > lifes. This is also due to karma(ultimately).

> >

> > Don't you think so?

> >

> > One Master told me he got upset when a fellow

> > astrologer told him, "Why are you so serious in

> your

> > work? Just look at their chart, suggest some

> remedies,

> > do some prayers for them. Whether their life turns

> out

> > for the better after that is not your problem.

> They

> > still need to pay for your services". They were

> > arguing about karma etc.

> >

> > The master got so pissed, he went near to the

> other

> > fellow astrologer, "Stop talking nonsense. Now I'm

> > going to slap you. Is this my will, or god's

> will?"

> >

> > If God gives you the chance to do good, be

> gracious,

> > do the good deeds and better things will happen in

> > your life or next life. If you were meant to

> murder

> > someone(as example) because both of you had

> tremendous

> > disputes for however many past lifes, then what am

> I

> > to say?

> >

> > Or if you stole this person's money or wife in

> > previous life and he/she comes back and do the

> same to

> > you then its still fate acting, isn't it?

> >

> > One can only pray and perform remedies to a

> certain

> > extent. Sometimes lying low, acting stupid and

> pretend

> > to be blur can to a certain extend alleviate a lot

> of

> > troubles.

> >

> > A person I know received an advice from an

> astrologer

> > not to go overseas if he wanted to preserve his

> > health/life(he had a weak heart). This man

> promptly

> > went overseas a few weeks later to visit his

> daughter.

> > He died overseas.

> >

> > He had good advice but (our)life is in God's hand.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> >

> > > Yogesh,

> > >

> > > I could be misinterpreting this but if what you

> are

> > > saying lets one

> > > conclude that no one can guarantee all

> predictions

> > > or all remedies

> > > (i.e., all predictions will come true or all

> > > remedies will produce

> > > the desired effect or anything can be *fixed* by

> > > remedies) then you

> > > are probably right, at least until such time

> when at

> > > least one (and

> > > hopefully more if not all) individual can have

> such

> > > a documented

> > > track record.

> > >

> > > One of the most tired non-sequiter (sp?)

> statement

> > > in astrology is:

> > > Astrology is always right, the astrologer may

> not be

> > > right. How can

> > > one judge the limits of what astrology can or

> cannot

> > > do, unless

> > > through its practitioners?

> > >

> > > Until a high degree of successful, consistent

> and

> > > complete

> > > predictions given solely by astrological

> techniques

> > > (other factors

> > > not tipping the hand, as they say) can be

> attained,

> > > it is safe to

> > > assume that there is a lot between the heaven

> and

> > > earth that we do

> > > not know or understand. The karma/bhakti-path

> type

> > > approach (I just

> > > work, God assesses it and gives the results --

> and

> > > that there is a

> > > just God who is actually watching over each of

> us,

> > > all the time)

> > > might be the closest to sanity and far away from

> > > chaos, that the

> > > modern world is beginning to claim an oscar for!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , yogesh

> shah

> > >

> > > <yogeshshah99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

>

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Dear friend

 

You are a highly learnt person and knew the answers to your both queries.

 

1. the sages in tretayuga knew why ram was born and his objective and hence no

question of their inability to predict or preclude arises. we do not even have

any right or knowledge to question them. when lord indra cast maya on sage

gautam and slept with ahalya, even that powerful sage was subjected to a maya,

though temporary, and hence there are strong reasons behind each and every

failure or success and one can have curiosity to know why but shall not doubt

the very sages, who are treated above par with gods.

 

2. enough was told already in this group on karma theory. the chart denotes the

statement of account as on the date of birth. what all good and bad karma the

native does later would have a direct bearing and hence one shall strive to do

as much puny as possible. there is a slok: ashadasa puraneshu vyasasya vachana

dyayam, paraopakaraya punyaya papaya parapeedanam. So, you can help and make as

many people (other than yourself) happy and get puny and be blessed.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

yogesh shah <yogeshshah99 wrote:

 

 

 

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

 

yogeshshah99

 

Dear Sir,

1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can be solved and they

have remedies but i wonder really, all learned astrologers pls note

that during shri ramchandra's period there were even more learned

astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra who even had the

power to see the future despite that they could not alter the path of

destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you and me provide.

2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must do our karma & let

the god decide about the results, all learned astrologers will know

that even a native going to an astrologer and performing shanti is

destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we are the maker of

our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just do ur karma and let

me take care of the rest(dont worry about results) doesn't that mean

indirectly that there is nothing that u can do about it.

I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and u cant do anything

about it and if u think u can then the whole science of astrology

will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u will have heavy

losses during this period or ur wife will pass away if we could

change these results then future cant be read from horoscope

 

 

Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all other learned

astrologers

 

Humbly yours

Yogesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Let us understand it further..

 

we are all born with a destiny.. in present..but we all exist at this moment in

our past

and in future..simultaneosly...our astral body can travel thru all these time

slices which

we think as linear and call as past, present and future..some of us do

ether/astral travel

to future time slice and bring back some traces of energy.. which some of us are

able

to read and such people are able to see one's future..

 

Everything that happens is perfect and by the consent of all that is..but we

have a

free will to choose.. that is how it was designed..

 

so we have a born destiny..karma gives us the opportunity - pre-designed.. but

we

are free to choose to accept/reject that opportuniy..when it is good

opportunity.. we

call it luck..when it not in line with our expectations.. we call it bad luck..

but luck is

luck..

 

our chosen path then gives us our conscious experience..and dujring this time..

we

still keep travelling to our future which exists even at present.. and when we

donot

like our future.. we are left with a feeling that future is no fun.. and then in

present

moment re re-choose..

 

so we write our destiny.. how is it fixed.. karma only gives an account at the

time of

birth.. and opportunities.living environment related to our birth..

relationships, money,

culture, society rules etc..

 

So even if sages know your future.. or even the learned astrologers.. you have

the

power to recreate the future..if you do then they will see a different future..

 

i hope i am clear..

 

there is nothing good/bad.. right /wrong.. everything is an experience..our

conscious

mind thinks that every thing is pre-decided while every night we do astral

travel to

decide what situation is to be experienced next day..but consciousness had the

ultimate say..

 

Gist is : we are the masters of our reality.. our destiny..just donot label the

destiny in

our mind..

 

regards

anil

, arjun pandit <panditarjun2004>

wrote:

> Dear friend

>

> You are a highly learnt person and knew the answers to your both queries.

>

> 1. the sages in tretayuga knew why ram was born and his objective and hence no

question of their inability to predict or preclude arises. we do not even have

any right

or knowledge to question them. when lord indra cast maya on sage gautam and

slept

with ahalya, even that powerful sage was subjected to a maya, though temporary,

and

hence there are strong reasons behind each and every failure or success and one

can

have curiosity to know why but shall not doubt the very sages, who are treated

above par with gods.

>

> 2. enough was told already in this group on karma theory. the chart denotes

the

statement of account as on the date of birth. what all good and bad karma the

native

does later would have a direct bearing and hence one shall strive to do as much

puny

as possible. there is a slok: ashadasa puraneshu vyasasya vachana dyayam,

paraopakaraya punyaya papaya parapeedanam. So, you can help and make as many

people (other than yourself) happy and get puny and be blessed.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> yogesh shah <yogeshshah99> wrote:

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

>

> yogeshshah99

>

> Dear Sir,

> 1)as many claim thal an astrological problem can be solved and they

> have remedies but i wonder really, all learned astrologers pls note

> that during shri ramchandra's period there were even more learned

> astrologers and saints like Vasishtha, Vishwamitra who even had the

> power to see the future despite that they could not alter the path of

> destiny of Shriram & janakimata, what cure can you and me provide.

> 2)Also the other aspect of karma, we say we must do our karma & let

> the god decide about the results, all learned astrologers will know

> that even a native going to an astrologer and performing shanti is

> destined in his horoscope then how do we decide we are the maker of

> our destiny. As lord krishna says in Gita ---Just do ur karma and let

> me take care of the rest(dont worry about results) doesn't that mean

> indirectly that there is nothing that u can do about it.

> I say that it is the destiny that is ultimate and u cant do anything

> about it and if u think u can then the whole science of astrology

> will go wrong as by seeing ones horoscope we say u will have heavy

> losses during this period or ur wife will pass away if we could

> change these results then future cant be read from horoscope

>

>

> Pls note this is for mr tanvir chaudhary and all other learned

> astrologers

>

> Humbly yours

> Yogesh

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>