re.group's decorum & $ to Astrologers

July 11, 2005

ok then,

i know this is not a forum for advertisement

but since strong feelings have been expressed, why not

lay the cards on the table? If the service rendered is

not appropriate to be 'free' in nature why not tell

the charges. That is my humble opinion.

Whatever the explanation may be, whether paid or free

advice is as different as much as the people who ask

as the people who predict.

Most can't even predict past events accurately, how

can it be that they can predict future events. There

are people who can tell you this is what will happen

to you at this time, not you may be this or you may be

that.

Also there seem to be some biasness involved in that

those queries from the indian continent or western or

race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong but

that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but I

accept it. We are, after all, only human.

Some have been most kind and helpful in my queries but

others give superficial explanation. It is important

to suss out the genuine queries, equally important to

suss out the genuine people who gives the prediction.

Actually astrological advice, I feel should not be

free of charge, but the people who gives the

prediction must be experts - not just claim themselves

to be one.

I remember one of Mr. Tanvir's e-mail where it was

stated some people who consulted his advice did not

agree with his past predictions. I respect him for his

knowledge and spiritual experience and for his

relative young age, but why the disagreement?

I bought quite a few books from India to study

astrology. I met an indian spiritual man who does

predictions. He only requires the full name and

birthdate, not the birth time. It is his believe that

one must be able to communicate with the planets to

find the real situation, among others. I once

consulted him on a problem my friend had, he told me

that in his chart his 8th house is very weak(I asked

my friend for his birth time which confirmed this

using JHL 6). How does one know this without the bith

time. Hence my disappointment as I have come to

realise that unless the timing is accurate only

general predictions can be made. Only those gifted can

do the predictions accurately.

__

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http://auctions./

July 11, 2005

Dear Mike,

No one is advertising on this group. I already have enough

clients to fulfill my needs of livelihood. But, when I receive direct mails from

the group members for simple problems I have to remind them to post them on the

group or be ready to pay.

Remember, if everyone starts sending mails to private ids, you will find

find two or three posts per day on the group. It is very easy for me to answer

the direct queries to my mail in such a way that the sender gets hooked up to my

guidance and then ultimately becomes a regular client. But, it will not boost

the discussions on the group itself.

My aim is not to advertise myself but to remind the members that group

has its importance which should be maintained.

My full time occupation is astrology. I am not someone who is in a

private sector or govt job and using his office pc and net. To answer the direct

mails to me, I have to interrupt conversations with my regular clients who have,

unfortunately, paid me.

I have never demanded money for my answers on the group. But, it is my

choice to answer for free or to ask for fees on my private e-mail. If this seems

wrong to those who are providing free service, then it is their problem.

Free advice is never valued. I have experienced it when I was not a

professional. Those who think that astrological guidance should be free should

realize that everythig has a cost. Even to send this mail I am spending money,

even if a very small amount, on internet, electricity and my computer.

I proud of the fact that I am a professional astrologer. At least, I am

giving jyotish a status of a career option. Believe it, it is a well paying and

satisfying career.

Regarding your doubts about an astrologer's ability to predict past.

Jyotish can reveal even the deepest secrets about a person's life. But, not

everyone is ready to hear the truth from the astrologer. A person under the

influence of rahu, due to dasha or tansit or placement in lagna, tenth or

seventh, will not agree to whatever an astrologer says.

Astrology is not magic. Gone are the days when a person took birth and

died in the same village or city. Then, there were very limited career options

and the social setup was fixed. It was easy to predict the past and future in

those days.

Today, in this fast changing world, we astrologers need some

informations and feedbacks for correct predictions. I was born in Jodhpur, but

have lived in almost every state of India. If the direction of any endeavour I

make is to be judged, should my place of birth be taken into account or my

present place of living? There are innumerable such questions whose answers we

search for everyday.

Jyotish is not as simple as it seems. Strangely, it is not so complex

either. If anyone has any doubts about it he shold learn jyotish himself. Thats

what I did and thats what every astrologer does.

Ashutosh.

-

michael tee eng hui

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:37

Re: re.group's decorum & $ to Astrologers

ok then,

i know this is not a forum for advertisement

but since strong feelings have been expressed, why not

lay the cards on the table? If the service rendered is

not appropriate to be 'free' in nature why not tell

the charges. That is my humble opinion.

Whatever the explanation may be, whether paid or free

advice is as different as much as the people who ask

as the people who predict.

Most can't even predict past events accurately, how

can it be that they can predict future events. There

are people who can tell you this is what will happen

to you at this time, not you may be this or you may be

that.

Also there seem to be some biasness involved in that

those queries from the indian continent or western or

race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong but

that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but I

accept it. We are, after all, only human.

Some have been most kind and helpful in my queries but

others give superficial explanation. It is important

to suss out the genuine queries, equally important to

suss out the genuine people who gives the prediction.

Actually astrological advice, I feel should not be

free of charge, but the people who gives the

prediction must be experts - not just claim themselves

to be one.

I remember one of Mr. Tanvir's e-mail where it was

stated some people who consulted his advice did not

agree with his past predictions. I respect him for his

knowledge and spiritual experience and for his

relative young age, but why the disagreement?

I bought quite a few books from India to study

astrology. I met an indian spiritual man who does

predictions. He only requires the full name and

birthdate, not the birth time. It is his believe that

one must be able to communicate with the planets to

find the real situation, among others. I once

consulted him on a problem my friend had, he told me

that in his chart his 8th house is very weak(I asked

my friend for his birth time which confirmed this

using JHL 6). How does one know this without the bith

time. Hence my disappointment as I have come to

realise that unless the timing is accurate only

general predictions can be made. Only those gifted can

do the predictions accurately.

__

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http://auctions./

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July 12, 2005

Dear List,

I couldnt have agreed more with Ashutosh ji in this

regard. Regarding the ability of the astrologer to

tell bout the past, I would like to state that the

astrology is a science which can reveal the finest

details of the native and believe me, I have been able

to do that despite of me being of very humble

capablieties as an astrologer. You can appreciate what

a learned astrologert can co with the data available

to him. But let us face the fact also that though the

astrology reveals those details, are the person

sweeking that advise willing to accept that? Astrology

is a divine science and has certain responsiblities

attached to it. Just like when a person goes to a

doctor, its his responsiblity to tell bout the good as

well as the bad aspects of the persons test reports,

so is the case with the astrologer. But if that the

case, why should one feel bad bout the observations an

astrologer makes?

I am not an professional astrologer, neither I intend

to charge any fees but there is nothing wrong if

anyone asks for it. As far asking for fees on this

group is concerned, I believe that nobody wants to

charge a fees for consultations given on this group,

its only remind members that this is a group and I

think such mails help only in improving the group

symbioisis.

Trust I have not gone off tangents with my veiws.

Regards,

Akhil Jain

--- Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh

wrote:

> Dear Mike,

> No one is advertising on this group.

> I already have enough clients to fulfill my needs of

> livelihood. But, when I receive direct mails from

> the group members for simple problems I have to

> remind them to post them on the group or be ready to

> pay.

>

> Remember, if everyone starts sending mails

> to private ids, you will find find two or three

> posts per day on the group. It is very easy for me

> to answer the direct queries to my mail in such a

> way that the sender gets hooked up to my guidance

> and then ultimately becomes a regular client. But,

> it will not boost the discussions on the group

> itself.

>

> My aim is not to advertise myself but to

> remind the members that group has its importance

> which should be maintained.

>

> My full time occupation is astrology. I am

> not someone who is in a private sector or govt job

> and using his office pc and net. To answer the

> direct mails to me, I have to interrupt

> conversations with my regular clients who have,

> unfortunately, paid me.

>

> I have never demanded money for my answers

> on the group. But, it is my choice to answer for

> free or to ask for fees on my private e-mail. If

> this seems wrong to those who are providing free

> service, then it is their problem.

>

> Free advice is never valued. I have

> experienced it when I was not a professional. Those

> who think that astrological guidance should be free

> should realize that everythig has a cost. Even to

> send this mail I am spending money, even if a very

> small amount, on internet, electricity and my

> computer.

>

> I proud of the fact that I am a professional

> astrologer. At least, I am giving jyotish a status

> of a career option. Believe it, it is a well paying

> and satisfying career.

>

> Regarding your doubts about an astrologer's

> ability to predict past. Jyotish can reveal even the

> deepest secrets about a person's life. But, not

> everyone is ready to hear the truth from the

> astrologer. A person under the influence of rahu,

> due to dasha or tansit or placement in lagna, tenth

> or seventh, will not agree to whatever an astrologer

> says.

>

> Astrology is not magic. Gone are the days

> when a person took birth and died in the same

> village or city. Then, there were very limited

> career options and the social setup was fixed. It

> was easy to predict the past and future in those

> days.

>

> Today, in this fast changing world, we

> astrologers need some informations and feedbacks for

> correct predictions. I was born in Jodhpur, but have

> lived in almost every state of India. If the

> direction of any endeavour I make is to be judged,

> should my place of birth be taken into account or my

> present place of living? There are innumerable such

> questions whose answers we search for everyday.

>

> Jyotish is not as simple as it seems.

> Strangely, it is not so complex either. If anyone

> has any doubts about it he shold learn jyotish

> himself. Thats what I did and thats what every

> astrologer does.

>

> Ashutosh.

>

> -

> michael tee eng hui

>

> Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:37

> Re: re.group's decorum & $ to

> Astrologers

>

> ok then,

> i know this is not a forum for

> advertisement

> but since strong feelings have been expressed, why

> not

> lay the cards on the table? If the service

> rendered is

> not appropriate to be 'free' in nature why not

> tell

> the charges. That is my humble opinion.

>

> Whatever the explanation may be, whether paid or

> free

> advice is as different as much as the people who

> ask

> as the people who predict.

>

> Most can't even predict past events accurately,

> how

> can it be that they can predict future events.

> There

> are people who can tell you this is what will

> happen

> to you at this time, not you may be this or you

> may be

> that.

>

> Also there seem to be some biasness involved in

> that

> those queries from the indian continent or western

> or

> race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong

> but

> that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but

> I

> accept it. We are, after all, only human.

>

> Some have been most kind and helpful in my queries

> but

> others give superficial explanation. It is

> important

> to suss out the genuine queries, equally important

> to

> suss out the genuine people who gives the

> prediction.

>

> Actually astrological advice, I feel should not be

> free of charge, but the people who gives the

> prediction must be experts - not just claim

> themselves

> to be one.

>

> I remember one of Mr. Tanvir's e-mail where it was

> stated some people who consulted his advice did

> not

> agree with his past predictions. I respect him for

> his

> knowledge and spiritual experience and for his

> relative young age, but why the disagreement?

>

> I bought quite a few books from India to study

> astrology. I met an indian spiritual man who does

> predictions. He only requires the full name and

> birthdate, not the birth time. It is his believe

> that

> one must be able to communicate with the planets

> to

> find the real situation, among others. I once

> consulted him on a problem my friend had, he told

> me

> that in his chart his 8th house is very weak(I

> asked

> my friend for his birth time which confirmed this

> using JHL 6). How does one know this without the

> bith

> time. Hence my disappointment as I have come to

> realise that unless the timing is accurate only

> general predictions can be made. Only those gifted

> can

> do the predictions accurately.

__

> Sell on Auctions - no fees. Bid on great

> items.

> http://auctions./

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> a.. Visit your group "" on the

> web.

>

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July 12, 2005

Dear Mr. Ashutosh and Mr. Akhil,

you're both right of course. I do believe in jyotish

although my rahu in in 7th which makes ketu in lagna.

Even then some disagree whether my lagna is taurus or

gemini due to sun rising period. Anyway, its not easy

to learn without the proper guidance or just with

books alone. I really hope to learn more on jyotish.

Only time will tell.

Do you advertise on websites?

Thanks for your comments,

Mike

July 12, 2005

Dear Miachel,

About your comment "Also there seem to be some biasness

involved in that

those queries from the indian continent or western or

race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong but

that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but I

accept it. We are, after all, only human."

Well I wish to correct you, since you appear to have been given your

fair share of attention from Arjun Panditji and others. Do a message

board search on your name and tons of queries will appear.

Please explain!!!!

Soumit

, michael tee eng hui

<mteh1> wrote:

> ok then,

> i know this is not a forum for advertisement

> but since strong feelings have been expressed, why not

> lay the cards on the table? If the service rendered is

> not appropriate to be 'free' in nature why not tell

> the charges. That is my humble opinion.

>

> Whatever the explanation may be, whether paid or free

> advice is as different as much as the people who ask

> as the people who predict.

>

> Most can't even predict past events accurately, how

> can it be that they can predict future events. There

> are people who can tell you this is what will happen

> to you at this time, not you may be this or you may be

> that.

>

> Also there seem to be some biasness involved in that

> those queries from the indian continent or western or

> race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong but

> that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but I

> accept it. We are, after all, only human.

>

> Some have been most kind and helpful in my queries but

> others give superficial explanation. It is important

> to suss out the genuine queries, equally important to

> suss out the genuine people who gives the prediction.

>

> Actually astrological advice, I feel should not be

> free of charge, but the people who gives the

> prediction must be experts - not just claim themselves

> to be one.

>

> I remember one of Mr. Tanvir's e-mail where it was

> stated some people who consulted his advice did not

> agree with his past predictions. I respect him for his

> knowledge and spiritual experience and for his

> relative young age, but why the disagreement?

>

> I bought quite a few books from India to study

> astrology. I met an indian spiritual man who does

> predictions. He only requires the full name and

> birthdate, not the birth time. It is his believe that

> one must be able to communicate with the planets to

> find the real situation, among others. I once

> consulted him on a problem my friend had, he told me

> that in his chart his 8th house is very weak(I asked

> my friend for his birth time which confirmed this

> using JHL 6). How does one know this without the bith

> time. Hence my disappointment as I have come to

> realise that unless the timing is accurate only

> general predictions can be made. Only those gifted can

> do the predictions accurately.

>

> __

> Sell on Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items.

> http://auctions./

July 13, 2005

Dear Soumit,

I actually did not want to "explain" as you call it as

it was not necessary. I would like to thank those who

have answered my queries sincerely, and for their time

and trouble.

"Some(Most) have been most kind and helpful in my

queries but others give superficial explanation"

This statement still stands. All I wrote which you

quoted below is still applicable. But I accept it. You

cannot, for some reason you feel offended. That is you

, not me.

Perhaps we should move on...

Mike

--- java_sgt <java_sgt wrote:

> Dear Miachel,

> About your comment "Also there seem to be some

> biasness

> involved in that

> those queries from the indian continent or western

> or

> race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong but

> that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but I

> accept it. We are, after all, only human."

>

> Well I wish to correct you, since you appear to have

> been given your

> fair share of attention from Arjun Panditji and

> others. Do a message

> board search on your name and tons of queries will

> appear.

>

> Please explain!!!!

>

> Soumit

>

> , michael tee

> eng hui

> <mteh1> wrote:

> > ok then,

> > i know this is not a forum for

> advertisement

> > but since strong feelings have been expressed, why

> not

> > lay the cards on the table? If the service

> rendered is

> > not appropriate to be 'free' in nature why not

> tell

> > the charges. That is my humble opinion.

> >

> > Whatever the explanation may be, whether paid or

> free

> > advice is as different as much as the people who

> ask

> > as the people who predict.

> >

> > Most can't even predict past events accurately,

> how

> > can it be that they can predict future events.

> There

> > are people who can tell you this is what will

> happen

> > to you at this time, not you may be this or you

> may be

> > that.

> >

> > Also there seem to be some biasness involved in

> that

> > those queries from the indian continent or western

> or

> > race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong

> but

> > that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but

> I

> > accept it. We are, after all, only human.

> >

> > Some have been most kind and helpful in my queries

> but

> > others give superficial explanation. It is

> important

> > to suss out the genuine queries, equally important

> to

> > suss out the genuine people who gives the

> prediction.

> >

> > Actually astrological advice, I feel should not be

> > free of charge, but the people who gives the

> > prediction must be experts - not just claim

> themselves

> > to be one.

> >

> > I remember one of Mr. Tanvir's e-mail where it was

> > stated some people who consulted his advice did

> not

> > agree with his past predictions. I respect him for

> his

> > knowledge and spiritual experience and for his

> > relative young age, but why the disagreement?

> >

> > I bought quite a few books from India to study

> > astrology. I met an indian spiritual man who does

> > predictions. He only requires the full name and

> > birthdate, not the birth time. It is his believe

> that

> > one must be able to communicate with the planets

> to

> > find the real situation, among others. I once

> > consulted him on a problem my friend had, he told

> me

> > that in his chart his 8th house is very weak(I

> asked

> > my friend for his birth time which confirmed this

> > using JHL 6). How does one know this without the

> bith

> > time. Hence my disappointment as I have come to

> > realise that unless the timing is accurate only

> > general predictions can be made. Only those gifted

> can

> > do the predictions accurately.

> >

> __

> > Sell on Auctions – no fees. Bid on great

> items.

> > http://auctions./

>

July 13, 2005

Ashutoshji, Group moderators,

My points are below and highlighted. Please take a look at them.

Thank you,

Aruna

Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote:

Dear Mike,

No one is advertising on this group. I already have enough

clients to fulfill my needs of livelihood. But, when I receive direct mails from

the group members for simple problems I have to remind them to post them on the

group or be ready to pay.

Whatever fee you have in my mind, kindly say it loud ,if people are willing to

pay, they come to you, especially it helps those who don't mind paying money if

they think it is worth it..

I have never demanded money for my answers on the group. But, it is my

choice to answer for free or to ask for fees on my private e-mail. If this seems

wrong to those who are providing free service, then it is their problem.

It definitely is your choice to ask for fee but , let it be the choice of

people too to choose an astrologer based on the fee ( for those with a budget)

so that there is more clarity in your expectations and theirs , and both parties

know what they are getting into. So all those who wants to charge a fee please

declare them.

Free advice is never valued. I have experienced it when I was not a

professional. Those who think that astrological guidance should be free should

realize that everythig has a cost. Even to send this mail I am spending money,

even if a very small amount, on internet, electricity and my computer.

It is difficult to accept when you say 'free advise is never valued'. People

may say this with different intentions also, as you know.

If you meant monetarily, I agree that it is true, as it is obvious.But it has

it's own non-materialistic value though. Both from the seekers side and

providers side. A seeker is gaining advise, and a provider is building thier

good karma through service.

I cannot speak for your experience as a professional, but I can talk from my

experience as a professional. I do a lot of free family counselling to all

sections of people, rich and poor people, as well as educated and uneducated

people,as a volunteer in counselling services. It is a voluntary organization

that I work with, so even when we are loaded with responses we never think of

charging fee for better appreciation from people. I don't charge a penny, but my

free counselling is valued a lot in various ways, as I get tremendous

recognition, and appreciation from people, as well as GOD ( in his own ways) and

that is of substantial value for me.

I get my value from the fact that I was able to help some one to gain their

peace of mind. What value can I place on that, as it is of immeasurable value to

me? And what that value is, depends on what I am looking for ?! It does not

matter to me whether it was appreciated by the advise seeker or not, as a

provider I want to do justice to another human being by submitting my self and

my time unconditionally to them, WITH NO EXPECTATIONS.

If you go deeper into philosophy and spiritualism, you will also realise how

instrumental we are in providing any value to any one for any reason.

Jyotish is not as simple as it seems. Strangely, it is not so complex either.

If anyone has any doubts about it he shold learn jyotish himself. Thats what I

did and thats what every astrologer does.

Ashutosh.

My request to the moderators, if astrologers are begining to charge fees in

these forums, please also qualify the astrologers for their competence, so that

no one gets exploited by an amateur , since those seeking help are already going

through pain, and are vulnerable, as they are desperately seeking advise . Or

let there be no talk of fee in these learning forums , those who cannot spare

time have an option to ignore the messages politely, as they need not be

curtailed by charging fees.

Thank you, Aruna

-

michael tee eng hui

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:37

Re: re.group's decorum & $ to Astrologers

ok then,

i know this is not a forum for advertisement

but since strong feelings have been expressed, why not

lay the cards on the table? If the service rendered is

not appropriate to be 'free' in nature why not tell

the charges. That is my humble opinion.

Whatever the explanation may be, whether paid or free

advice is as different as much as the people who ask

as the people who predict.

Most can't even predict past events accurately, how

can it be that they can predict future events. There

are people who can tell you this is what will happen

to you at this time, not you may be this or you may be

that.

Also there seem to be some biasness involved in that

those queries from the indian continent or western or

race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong but

that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but I

accept it. We are, after all, only human.

Some have been most kind and helpful in my queries but

others give superficial explanation. It is important

to suss out the genuine queries, equally important to

suss out the genuine people who gives the prediction.

Actually astrological advice, I feel should not be

free of charge, but the people who gives the

prediction must be experts - not just claim themselves

to be one.

I remember one of Mr. Tanvir's e-mail where it was

stated some people who consulted his advice did not

agree with his past predictions. I respect him for his

knowledge and spiritual experience and for his

relative young age, but why the disagreement?

I bought quite a few books from India to study

astrology. I met an indian spiritual man who does

predictions. He only requires the full name and

birthdate, not the birth time. It is his believe that

one must be able to communicate with the planets to

find the real situation, among others. I once

consulted him on a problem my friend had, he told me

that in his chart his 8th house is very weak(I asked

my friend for his birth time which confirmed this

using JHL 6). How does one know this without the bith

time. Hence my disappointment as I have come to

realise that unless the timing is accurate only

general predictions can be made. Only those gifted can

do the predictions accurately.

__

Sell on Auctions - no fees. Bid on great items.

http://auctions./

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OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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July 13, 2005

Dear Friends,

I have read the mails on the subject of free/charges for predictions.

We should not resort to hate- mails, it pollutes the atmosphere.I

have a suggestion, should you receive a mail which wounds you/your

ego,please do prepare a reply. Only do not post it, keep it for few

days aside.In all probability, you may not reply,and if at all you

do, your language will be positive.

I have successfully tried this in my 40 years service life,and saved

valuable energy. Forgiveness is a virtue we should encourage.

God Bless!

Satish

, as T <ast77us> wrote:

> Ashutoshji, Group moderators,

> My points are below and highlighted. Please take a look at them.

> Thank you,

> Aruna

>

> Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

>

> Dear Mike,

> No one is advertising on this group. I already have

enough clients to fulfill my needs of livelihood. But, when I receive

direct mails from the group members for simple problems I have to

remind them to post them on the group or be ready to pay.

>

> Whatever fee you have in my mind, kindly say it loud ,if people are

willing to pay, they come to you, especially it helps those who don't

mind paying money if they think it is worth it..

>

> I have never demanded money for my answers on the group.

But, it is my choice to answer for free or to ask for fees on my

private e-mail. If this seems wrong to those who are providing free

service, then it is their problem.

>

> It definitely is your choice to ask for fee but , let it be the

choice of people too to choose an astrologer based on the fee ( for

those with a budget) so that there is more clarity in your

expectations and theirs , and both parties know what they are getting

into. So all those who wants to charge a fee please declare them.

>

> Free advice is never valued. I have experienced it when I

was not a professional. Those who think that astrological guidance

should be free should realize that everythig has a cost. Even to send

this mail I am spending money, even if a very small amount, on

internet, electricity and my computer.

>

> It is difficult to accept when you say 'free advise is never

valued'. People may say this with different intentions also, as you

know.

>

> If you meant monetarily, I agree that it is true, as it is

obvious.But it has it's own non-materialistic value though. Both from

the seekers side and providers side. A seeker is gaining advise, and

a provider is building thier good karma through service.

>

> I cannot speak for your experience as a professional, but I can

talk from my experience as a professional. I do a lot of free family

counselling to all sections of people, rich and poor people, as well

as educated and uneducated people,as a volunteer in counselling

services. It is a voluntary organization that I work with, so even

when we are loaded with responses we never think of charging fee for

better appreciation from people. I don't charge a penny, but my free

counselling is valued a lot in various ways, as I get tremendous

recognition, and appreciation from people, as well as GOD ( in his

own ways) and that is of substantial value for me.

>

> I get my value from the fact that I was able to help some one to

gain their peace of mind. What value can I place on that, as it is of

immeasurable value to me? And what that value is, depends on what I

am looking for ?! It does not matter to me whether it was

appreciated by the advise seeker or not, as a provider I want to do

justice to another human being by submitting my self and my time

unconditionally to them, WITH NO EXPECTATIONS.

>

> If you go deeper into philosophy and spiritualism, you will also

realise how instrumental we are in providing any value to any one for

any reason.

>

> Jyotish is not as simple as it seems. Strangely, it is not so

complex either. If anyone has any doubts about it he shold learn

jyotish himself. Thats what I did and thats what every astrologer

does.

>

Ashutosh.

> My request to the moderators, if astrologers are begining to charge

fees in these forums, please also qualify the astrologers for their

competence, so that no one gets exploited by an amateur , since those

seeking help are already going through pain, and are vulnerable, as

they are desperately seeking advise . Or let there be no talk of fee

in these learning forums , those who cannot spare time have an option

to ignore the messages politely, as they need not be curtailed by

charging fees.

>

> Thank you, Aruna

>

> -

> michael tee eng hui

>

> Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:37

> Re: re.group's decorum & $ to Astrologers

>

> ok then,

> i know this is not a forum for advertisement

> but since strong feelings have been expressed, why not

> lay the cards on the table? If the service rendered is

> not appropriate to be 'free' in nature why not tell

> the charges. That is my humble opinion.

>

> Whatever the explanation may be, whether paid or free

> advice is as different as much as the people who ask

> as the people who predict.

>

> Most can't even predict past events accurately, how

> can it be that they can predict future events. There

> are people who can tell you this is what will happen

> to you at this time, not you may be this or you may be

> that.

>

> Also there seem to be some biasness involved in that

> those queries from the indian continent or western or

> race are given priority. Correct me if I'm wrong but

> that is what i observe. I don't agree with it but I

> accept it. We are, after all, only human.

>

> Some have been most kind and helpful in my queries but

> others give superficial explanation. It is important

> to suss out the genuine queries, equally important to

> suss out the genuine people who gives the prediction.

>

> Actually astrological advice, I feel should not be

> free of charge, but the people who gives the

> prediction must be experts - not just claim themselves

> to be one.

>

> I remember one of Mr. Tanvir's e-mail where it was

> stated some people who consulted his advice did not

> agree with his past predictions. I respect him for his

> knowledge and spiritual experience and for his

> relative young age, but why the disagreement?

>

> I bought quite a few books from India to study

> astrology. I met an indian spiritual man who does

> predictions. He only requires the full name and

> birthdate, not the birth time. It is his believe that

> one must be able to communicate with the planets to

> find the real situation, among others. I once

> consulted him on a problem my friend had, he told me

> that in his chart his 8th house is very weak(I asked

> my friend for his birth time which confirmed this

> using JHL 6). How does one know this without the bith

> time. Hence my disappointment as I have come to

> realise that unless the timing is accurate only

> general predictions can be made. Only those gifted can

> do the predictions accurately.

>

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July 13, 2005

Dear Aruna,

It seems that you have not gone through all the mails posted

in this thread. Go through them again word by word and then give your opinion.

No one is charging fees on this forum, but we want to make it clear that mails

to private e-mails instead of to the forum may attract fees.

As I type this reply, I have four mails in my inbox from people who

should have posted in the group but they have contacted me directly.

Ashutosh.

-

as T

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 17:20