7 and 1/2 , or 10 , or even 12.5 years of Shani? (for David)

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Namaste, David

 

We cannot quote you the textbook answer to your question. But we can

give you a practical explanation for your question. Specifically, in

vedic astrology, Saturn is considered to be the most malefic graha in

the zodiac (perhaps because it is the slowest planet, it is blamed

for most of the ills of mankind!). The seers have observed several

areas in the chart where Saturn becomes malefic. As you have

mentioned, these include sade sati, ashtami shani, and kantaka

shani. These terms describe a specific quality or attribute of

Saturn in the birth kundali.

 

Although your observation is correct, one cannot change the terms as

defined by the seers and as practiced in the past. As such, one

should not include the aspect of Saturn to increase the time period

of sade sati. If it were, Saturn would be blamed for more ills in

the birth chart which would be more disproportionate in comparison to

the other planets.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "David Engisch"

<d_engisch@h...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> I am sure that the following has been observed before:

>

> 1. Saturn has 3rd and 10th house aspects

> 2. Saade Sathi is when Saturn passes through the 12th, 1st, 2nd

from

> native's Moon.

>

> By this reckoning, would not Saturn be troubling (or character

> building) to a particular native for around 10 years?

>

> 2.5 yrs for 2 signs before (3rd house asp.)

> + 2.5 for sign before

> + 2.5 same sign

> + 2.5 sign after

> -------------------

> = 10 years

>

> Or are graha aspects felt very differently than the narrowing of

> the orb of influence as Saturn transits towards conjunction?

>

> I have interest in this issue particularly because Shani is

> currently aspecting my Moon in early degs. of Virg by way of 3rd

> house aspect.

>

> If you add to this the ashtami shani then you may get 12.5 years of

> trying times(?):

> 1. 10th house positioning from Moon > > >

> 2. 11th house -- 3rd house asp. of Shani

> 3. then Saade Sathi --

>

> You can see what I am taking about. I am not trying to be

> disrespectful, just to create a hypothetical to understand the

logos

> or logic underneath.

>

> I realize that Shani in 11th from Moon is usually seen in an

> advantageous light for material gains. What is the main reasoning

> behind this?

>

> Thanks for your attention,

>

> David

>

> , "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> > Namaste, Angel

> >

> > It all depends on the number of bindus in the astakavarga of

> Saturn

> > that has been contributed in the houses being transited. If the

> > number is 4 bindus and above, then the Saturn transit in that

> house

> > would be beneficial. However, the native would still be

> susceptible

> > to the effects of the sade sati in those kaksyas where there are

> no

> > bindus in a particular house.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , angel <angelgoel>

> wrote:

> > > Hi all

> > >

> > > I would like to discuss the effects of Saade-Sathi

> > > when saturn is benefic for native.please reply to my

> > > mail.

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > angel

> > >

> > >

> > > --- angel <angelgoel> wrote:

> > >

> > > > jv <jyotish-vidya>, jr

> > > > <>

> > > > angel <angelgoel>

> > > > Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:24:26 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > Saade sathi when Saturn is

> > > > Yogakarka

> > > >

> > > > Hi all

> > > >

> > > > I would like to know :

> > > > 1> What are the effects of Saade Sathi when Saturn

> > > > is

> > > > Yogakarka planet(eg for tauras lagna)

> > > > 2> What are the effects of Saade Sathi when Saturn

> > > > is

> > > > exalted in chart (placed in Libra sign)

> > > > 3> What are the effects of Saade Sathi when Saturn

> > > > is

> > > > retrograde in motion

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > angel

> > > >

> > > > many thanks

> > > > angel goel

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[Guest guest]

Namaste John R.,

 

Thanks very much for your reply. I figured as much, but I guess I was mainly

wondering if

the 3rd house aspect of Shani would give the native a preview of the potential

rocky waters

ahead for them in Sade Sati. Perhaps the proof for that hypothesis would be in

the living of

it and the observance of many charts of natives who were going or had gone

through that

period. As has been said on the lists many times, "no short cuts in astrology."

Thanks

again for shedding a little light.

 

Sincerely,

 

David

 

 

, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> Namaste, David

>

> We cannot quote you the textbook answer to your question. But we can

> give you a practical explanation for your question. Specifically, in

> vedic astrology, Saturn is considered to be the most malefic graha in

> the zodiac (perhaps because it is the slowest planet, it is blamed

> for most of the ills of mankind!). The seers have observed several

> areas in the chart where Saturn becomes malefic. As you have

> mentioned, these include sade sati, ashtami shani, and kantaka

> shani. These terms describe a specific quality or attribute of

> Saturn in the birth kundali.

>

> Although your observation is correct, one cannot change the terms as

> defined by the seers and as practiced in the past. As such, one

> should not include the aspect of Saturn to increase the time period

> of sade sati. If it were, Saturn would be blamed for more ills in

> the birth chart which would be more disproportionate in comparison to

> the other planets.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

, "David Engisch"

> <d_engisch@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am sure that the following has been observed before:

> >

> > 1. Saturn has 3rd and 10th house aspects

> > 2. Saade Sathi is when Saturn passes through the 12th, 1st, 2nd

> from

> > native's Moon.

> >

> > By this reckoning, would not Saturn be troubling (or character

> > building) to a particular native for around 10 years?

> >

> > 2.5 yrs for 2 signs before (3rd house asp.)

> > + 2.5 for sign before

> > + 2.5 same sign

> > + 2.5 sign after

> > -------------------

> > = 10 years

> >

> > Or are graha aspects felt very differently than the narrowing of

> > the orb of influence as Saturn transits towards conjunction?

> >

> > I have interest in this issue particularly because Shani is

> > currently aspecting my Moon in early degs. of Virg by way of 3rd

> > house aspect.

> >

> > If you add to this the ashtami shani then you may get 12.5 years of

> > trying times(?):

> > 1. 10th house positioning from Moon > > >

> > 2. 11th house -- 3rd house asp. of Shani

> > 3. then Saade Sathi --

> >

> > You can see what I am taking about. I am not trying to be

> > disrespectful, just to create a hypothetical to understand the

> logos

> > or logic underneath.

> >

> > I realize that Shani in 11th from Moon is usually seen in an

> > advantageous light for material gains. What is the main reasoning

> > behind this?

> >

> > Thanks for your attention,

> >

> > David

> >

> > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> > > Namaste, Angel

> > >

> > > It all depends on the number of bindus in the astakavarga of

> > Saturn

> > > that has been contributed in the houses being transited. If the

> > > number is 4 bindus and above, then the Saturn transit in that

> > house

> > > would be beneficial. However, the native would still be

> > susceptible

> > > to the effects of the sade sati in those kaksyas where there are

> > no

> > > bindus in a particular house.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , angel <angelgoel>

> > wrote:

> > > > Hi all

> > > >

> > > > I would like to discuss the effects of Saade-Sathi

> > > > when saturn is benefic for native.please reply to my

> > > > mail.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > angel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- angel <angelgoel> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > jv <jyotish-vidya>, jr

> > > > > <>

> > > > > angel <angelgoel>

> > > > > Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:24:26 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > Saade sathi when Saturn is

> > > > > Yogakarka

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to know :

> > > > > 1> What are the effects of Saade Sathi when Saturn

> > > > > is

> > > > > Yogakarka planet(eg for tauras lagna)

> > > > > 2> What are the effects of Saade Sathi when Saturn

> > > > > is

> > > > > exalted in chart (placed in Libra sign)

> > > > > 3> What are the effects of Saade Sathi when Saturn

> > > > > is

> > > > > retrograde in motion

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks

> > > > > angel

> > > > >

> > > > > many thanks

> > > > > angel goel

> > > > > ===================

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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