2-a##d, ....what happens to the soul after death >> Mark Kincaid 7/2

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Dear a##d:

 

I'd like to add a few thoughts to this discussion, especially from a Jyotish

point of view.

 

First I'd like to recomend the book: "Journey of Souls", which is a great

book from a Psychologist, hypnotist, who interviews patients in the light of

their hidden memories of when they were on that, 'other side'!

 

His whole book is about exactly what life is like, both after or even before

birth & death!

 

It's the best book I've ever written in this regard.

 

He interviews a number of people and they all express very similar

experiences being on the other side, and what it was like and even how they

choose to come here!

 

I especially liked his descriptions of how people choose the paths, or lives

that we are now, presently living.

 

He describes in one part when meeting with one's spiritual advisor exactly

what several future incarnations might be like, and how the person chooses,

one or the other!

 

That book really helped me in my study of jyotish/Astrology, too, as there's

always these long, lengthy discussions about free will and fate!

 

 

One final thought is that our chart's are very good indicators of what we're

supposed to be doing in our present life, and if our chart's are indicative

of our present level of evolution or consciousness, then life after may be

about our future stages of evolution.

 

I like the Vedic theory that life is a process of growth towards evolution

and enlightenment!

 

I especially like how Jyotish can interpret that growth in term's of the

evolution or development of the individual planets and their degrees of

strength, beneficness or Exaltation, even!

 

Finally, I'd like to say, that what we do right now, may have a lot to do

with our futures.

 

Each step that we take to understand and transform ourselves, into a better

'us', may have a profound influence upon our future lives, too.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

Astrologer

Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved

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a##d <myst_ak47

 

Sat, 2 Jul 2005 04:44:29 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: Re: what happens to the soul after death

 

 

 

Hey!thank u all for the wonderful information.i

appreciate ur help!

--- "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000

wrote:

 

> Well perhaps this site can help you:What Becomes Of

> The Soul After

> Death By Sri Swami Sivananda

>

> http://www.dlshq.org/download/afterdeath.htm#_VPID_6

>

>

> Here's a quote from the site:

>

> "The soul which passes out of the body after death

> is

> termed `Preta', one that is bound on its onward

> march to the Beyond.

> The soul in its disembodied form hovers about its

> original and

> familiar places for ten days. It is in the form of a

> ghost during

> these ten days. The astral body takes shape from day

> to day with the

> formation of the head, eyes, and other limbs of the

> Linga Sarira,

> fed and nourished by the sesamum and water poured

> out in libation

> over the stones which represent the ancestors.

>

> The soul is fully embodied on the eleventh day. It

> starts on its

> journey to the judgement seat of Lord Yama, the God

> of death. It

> takes one full year from the time of death to reach

> Lord Yama's

> place. The path is beset with obstacles, distress

> and difficulties.

> The man who has done the most wicked deeds suffers

> more. But the

> difficulties can be removed and the journey be

> rendered easy and

> comfortable by the oblations and offerings given by

> the son of the

> deceased during the first year of the soul's journey

> and by feeding

> pure and learned Brahmins. The son should offer

> rice-balls to the

> father, without weeping. Death is certain for those

> who are born,

> and birth is certain for the dead. This is

> inevitable. Therefore,

> you should not grieve over it. The ten days' rites

> should not be

> neglected. The son should perform the Sapinda

> ceremony on the

> twelfth day and the sixteen monthly offerings. The

> soul is sustained

> on its onward march to the judgement seat by the

> libations offered

> to it by the son.

>

> The soul is scorched on the way by intense heat, but

> the gift of an

> umbrella by his son on the eleventh day gives

> pleasant shade above

> his head. The path is full of great thorns, but the

> gift of shoes

> helps him to go riding on horses. The miseries of

> cold, heat and

> wind are dreadful there, but he goes happily along

> the way by the

> power of gift of clothes. There is great heat and

> there is no water,

> but drinks water when thirsty, through the gift of a

> water-pot by

> his son. The son should make a gift of a cow.

>

> Chitragupta, the recorder of fact, the

> Accountant-General in the

> Kingdom of Lord Yama, informs the soul of his good

> and bad actions

> in his earthly life after the end of one full year.

> The soul leaves

> off its Pretatva or the garb of a traveller on this

> day. He is

> raised to the status of a Pitri or Ancestor."

>

> All the best( i am also reading all this yet...).

>

_____________

>

>

>

> , "kadrudra"

> <kadrudra>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend,

> > we have discussed it a number of times in the

> group and so please

> > refer to the archives.

> > Simply answering you in a crude manner, nobody

> knows what happens

> to

> > soul after death.

> > There are many theories and hypotheses to explain

> it, about which

> you

> > can read in classical texts.

> > All schools differ in AATMA and PARAMATMA concept

> but interesting

> > enough.

> >

> > To know what happens to soul after death, try to

> find out WHAT

> > HAPPENS TO A FLAME AFTER IT BURNS OUT IN AN OIL

> LAMP!

> > It may take some years, decades or incarnations to

> find out what

> > happens exactly!

> > When you know it completely, you would not be in

> this world! To

> > support this, I recommend you to

> > read the famous GARGI-YAJN~AVALKA conversation at

> king JANAKA's

> court

> > and related discussion in

> > BrihadaraNyaka Upanishad.(Second Brahmana)

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> > , a##d

> <myst_ak47>

> wrote:

> > > hi everybody...I NEED ANSWERS TO THESE

> QUESTIONS!!!

> > > if at all anybody has time to unveil these

> mysteries

> > > of life after death,im very keen discussing.

> > >

> > > what happens to the soul after death?i read

> couple of

> > > articles which state that the soul travels the

> inner

> > > circles of cosmos and thus is decided which form

> its

> > > going to take.my doubt is when everything is

> decided

> > > why talk of karma?

> > >

> > > i read many posts on this group,and when

> everything is

> > > predictable whats the point talking of karma,pap

> and

> > > punya,when everythings is decided as if nothing

> is in

> > > ur hands.things happen as they have been decided

> for

> > > u...so why are we are neither doing a good deed

> or

> > > comitting a sin,since we are living the way its

> > > already decided by the Guy up there who writes

> our

> > > fate.why admire or despise someone for what they

> > > are?even if someone shows miraculous strengths

> ,he is

> > > still written that he/she are born with so and

> so

> > > qualities.

> > >

> > > so whats the meaning of this life and strife

> when

> > > everything is decided.it has nothing to do with

> our

> > > beliefs and faith.a person whos destined to be a

> great

> > > man will be,a person whos destined to live

> ordinary

> > > life will do...theres only an illusion created

> that we

> > > are striving,but theres no strife from us-the

> humans

> > > since we are mere robots designed under Him.

> > >

> > > so everything falls to zero...nothingness.and

> that

> > > seems so meaningless cause i never find answers

> to

> > > these questions.its like creating a pot of gold

> all

> > > life which is going to turn to dust some

> day,cause

> > > nothing remains.why happiness or frustrations or

> > > satisfaction,nothing has any meaning since

> everything

> > > is decided.we are not really doing anything.the

> whole

> > > cycle looks weird to me.pls explain anybody?what

> is

> > > the meaning of this life when every action is

> decided.

> > >

> > > A##D.

>

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Dear Mark,

 

i appreciate ur knowledge on topics like these and

really like to discuss it with u and everybody who can

help me understand through scietific and spritual

ways.

 

But as u said ''our charts are indicative of what we

will be doing'':so isnt fate already decided?we are

doing (or made to do)what has already been

decided,there is no 'Real' input from our side.

 

Its like u create a software and know how u want to

make it run,u give life to that software by creating

it and making it run...i feel like a programmed

software..whos made to run..wheres the real input..the

software doesnt have any choice,coz its programmed to

run in a certain way and thats how its going to

run,except that external environment and the way u

handle it can bring some changes in it.

 

im not actually doing whats im supposed to be doing

coz im made to have a certain life,which cannot be

changed.Iam whatever i am probably because thats how

HE's made me.and so goes the principle for

everybody.SO why appreciate or despire somebody what

what they are,coz its not their choice of wht they

should be.God has already decided if we shud live good

lives or bad lives..why credit mortals for anything at

all?

 

The soul doesnt have a wish or identity of its

own.this karma that we talk of,totally depends on how

god wanted us to be.When god is the one who seems to

be deciding good or bad for us,why shud a human suffer

so much?

 

Its already predicted before we are born if we are

going to be good or bad.Everything is decided.Cause i

have faith in true perdictions and i end up feeling

that regardless of ones noble thoughts,u cannot really

change things for good.Its like blindly following

something without have real knowledge abt it.I dont

know if God exists or Hes unfair-why does the soul

pain so much when theres need for truth inside.

 

We talk of planetary positions,right?if my planetary

positions are good i feel,think do good,where is my

choice?and even the choice is dependant on planetay

positions,like mortal has no identity!

 

There is no truth,no knowledge,we are merely

existing.Theres no meaning to this life,where theres

only pain and suffering and no truth.nothing is

permanent neither happiness nor sorrow,when theres so

much variation,we are living in a world of chaos.

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear a##d:

>

> I'd like to add a few thoughts to this discussion,

> especially from a Jyotish

> point of view.

>

> First I'd like to recomend the book: "Journey of

> Souls", which is a great

> book from a Psychologist, hypnotist, who interviews

> patients in the light of

> their hidden memories of when they were on that,

> 'other side'!

>

> His whole book is about exactly what life is like,

> both after or even before

> birth & death!

>

> It's the best book I've ever written in this regard.

>

> He interviews a number of people and they all

> express very similar

> experiences being on the other side, and what it was

> like and even how they

> choose to come here!

>

> I especially liked his descriptions of how people

> choose the paths, or lives

> that we are now, presently living.

>

> He describes in one part when meeting with one's

> spiritual advisor exactly

> what several future incarnations might be like, and

> how the person chooses,

> one or the other!

>

> That book really helped me in my study of

> jyotish/Astrology, too, as there's

> always these long, lengthy discussions about free

> will and fate!

>

>

> One final thought is that our chart's are very good

> indicators of what we're

> supposed to be doing in our present life, and if our

> chart's are indicative

> of our present level of evolution or consciousness,

> then life after may be

> about our future stages of evolution.

>

> I like the Vedic theory that life is a process of

> growth towards evolution

> and enlightenment!

>

> I especially like how Jyotish can interpret that

> growth in term's of the

> evolution or development of the individual planets

> and their degrees of

> strength, beneficness or Exaltation, even!

>

> Finally, I'd like to say, that what we do right now,

> may have a lot to do

> with our futures.

>

> Each step that we take to understand and transform

> ourselves, into a better

> 'us', may have a profound influence upon our future

> lives, too.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> Astrologer

> Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved

> /

> 1 641 472-0000.

a##d <myst_ak47

>

> Sat, 2 Jul 2005 04:44:29 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Re: what happens to the soul after

> death

>

>

>

> Hey!thank u all for the wonderful information.i

> appreciate ur help!

> --- "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

> <rajeshkumaria2000

> wrote:

>

> > Well perhaps this site can help you:What Becomes

> Of

> > The Soul After

> > Death By Sri Swami Sivananda

> >

> >

> http://www.dlshq.org/download/afterdeath.htm#_VPID_6

> >

> >

> > Here's a quote from the site:

> >

> > "The soul which passes out of the body after death

> > is

> > termed `Preta', one that is bound on its onward

> > march to the Beyond.

> > The soul in its disembodied form hovers about its

> > original and

> > familiar places for ten days. It is in the form of

> a

> > ghost during

> > these ten days. The astral body takes shape from

> day

> > to day with the

> > formation of the head, eyes, and other limbs of

> the

> > Linga Sarira,

> > fed and nourished by the sesamum and water poured

> > out in libation

> > over the stones which represent the ancestors.

> >

> > The soul is fully embodied on the eleventh day. It

> > starts on its

> > journey to the judgement seat of Lord Yama, the

> God

> > of death. It

> > takes one full year from the time of death to

> reach

> > Lord Yama's

> > place. The path is beset with obstacles, distress

> > and difficulties.

> > The man who has done the most wicked deeds suffers

> > more. But the

> > difficulties can be removed and the journey be

> > rendered easy and

> > comfortable by the oblations and offerings given

> by

> > the son of the

> > deceased during the first year of the soul's

> journey

> > and by feeding

> > pure and learned Brahmins. The son should offer

> > rice-balls to the

> > father, without weeping. Death is certain for

> those

> > who are born,

> > and birth is certain for the dead. This is

> > inevitable. Therefore,

> > you should not grieve over it. The ten days' rites

> > should not be

> > neglected. The son should perform the Sapinda

> > ceremony on the

> > twelfth day and the sixteen monthly offerings. The

> > soul is sustained

> > on its onward march to the judgement seat by the

> > libations offered

> > to it by the son.

> >

> > The soul is scorched on the way by intense heat,

> but

> > the gift of an

> > umbrella by his son on the eleventh day gives

> > pleasant shade above

> > his head. The path is full of great thorns, but

> the

> > gift of shoes

> > helps him to go riding on horses. The miseries of

> > cold, heat and

> > wind are dreadful there, but he goes happily along

> > the way by the

> > power of gift of clothes. There is great heat and

> > there is no water,

> > but drinks water when thirsty, through the gift of

> a

> > water-pot by

> > his son. The son should make a gift of a cow.

> >

> > Chitragupta, the recorder of fact, the

> > Accountant-General in the

> > Kingdom of Lord Yama, informs the soul of his good

> > and bad actions

> > in his earthly life after the end of one full

> year.

> > The soul leaves

> > off its Pretatva or the garb of a traveller on

> this

> > day. He is

> > raised to the status of a Pitri or Ancestor."

> >

> > All the best( i am also reading all this yet...).

>

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The discusion between Nachiketa and Yama in Kathopnishad would reveal a lot of

what happens to the soul after death and before next birth - the stage of

Sushupti?

 

 

A passing thought....

If everything was predestined then no one would have to work - everything would

come on its own. To get something, one has to raise his hand and make effort -

karm rahit, bhagya rahit - no results are obtained even if it is destined.

 

Jyotish provides guidance on what is destined - efforts have to be made by human

beings - no eforts, no results - live and die as a pauper...

 

 

 

Dear Mark,

 

i appreciate ur knowledge on topics like these and

really like to discuss it with u and everybody who can

help me understand through scietific and spritual

ways.

 

But as u said ''our charts are indicative of what we

will be doing'':so isnt fate already decided?we are

doing (or made to do)what has already been

decided,there is no 'Real' input from our side.

 

Its like u create a software and know how u want to

make it run,u give life to that software by creating

it and making it run...i feel like a programmed

software..whos made to run..wheres the real input..the

software doesnt have any choice,coz its programmed to

run in a certain way and thats how its going to

run,except that external environment and the way u

handle it can bring some changes in it.

 

im not actually doing whats im supposed to be doing

coz im made to have a certain life,which cannot be

changed.Iam whatever i am probably because thats how

HE's made me.and so goes the principle for

everybody.SO why appreciate or despire somebody what

what they are,coz its not their choice of wht they

should be.God has already decided if we shud live good

lives or bad lives..why credit mortals for anything at

all?

 

The soul doesnt have a wish or identity of its

own.this karma that we talk of,totally depends on how

god wanted us to be.When god is the one who seems to

be deciding good or bad for us,why shud a human suffer

so much?

 

Its already predicted before we are born if we are

going to be good or bad.Everything is decided.Cause i

have faith in true perdictions and i end up feeling

that regardless of ones noble thoughts,u cannot really

change things for good.Its like blindly following

something without have real knowledge abt it.I dont

know if God exists or Hes unfair-why does the soul

pain so much when theres need for truth inside.

 

We talk of planetary positions,right?if my planetary

positions are good i feel,think do good,where is my

choice?and even the choice is dependant on planetay

positions,like mortal has no identity!

 

There is no truth,no knowledge,we are merely

existing.Theres no meaning to this life,where theres

only pain and suffering and no truth.nothing is

permanent neither happiness nor sorrow,when theres so

much variation,we are living in a world of chaos.

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear a##d:

>

> I'd like to add a few thoughts to this discussion,

> especially from a Jyotish

> point of view.

>

> First I'd like to recomend the book: "Journey of

> Souls", which is a great

> book from a Psychologist, hypnotist, who interviews

> patients in the light of

> their hidden memories of when they were on that,

> 'other side'!

>

> His whole book is about exactly what life is like,

> both after or even before

> birth & death!

>

> It's the best book I've ever written in this regard.

>

> He interviews a number of people and they all

> express very similar

> experiences being on the other side, and what it was

> like and even how they

> choose to come here!

>

> I especially liked his descriptions of how people

> choose the paths, or lives

> that we are now, presently living.

>

> He describes in one part when meeting with one's

> spiritual advisor exactly

> what several future incarnations might be like, and

> how the person chooses,

> one or the other!

>

> That book really helped me in my study of

> jyotish/Astrology, too, as there's

> always these long, lengthy discussions about free

> will and fate!

>

>

> One final thought is that our chart's are very good

> indicators of what we're

> supposed to be doing in our present life, and if our

> chart's are indicative

> of our present level of evolution or consciousness,

> then life after may be

> about our future stages of evolution.

>

> I like the Vedic theory that life is a process of

> growth towards evolution

> and enlightenment!

>

> I especially like how Jyotish can interpret that

> growth in term's of the

> evolution or development of the individual planets

> and their degrees of

> strength, beneficness or Exaltation, even!

>

> Finally, I'd like to say, that what we do right now,

> may have a lot to do

> with our futures.

>

> Each step that we take to understand and transform

> ourselves, into a better

> 'us', may have a profound influence upon our future

> lives, too.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> Astrologer

> Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved

> /

> 1 641 472-0000.

a##d

>

> Sat, 2 Jul 2005 04:44:29 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Re: what happens to the soul after

> death

>

>

>

> Hey!thank u all for the wonderful information.i

> appreciate ur help!

> --- "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

>

> wrote:

>

> > Well perhaps this site can help you:What Becomes

> Of

> > The Soul After

> > Death By Sri Swami Sivananda

> >

> >

> http://www.dlshq.org/download/afterdeath.htm#_VPID_6

> >

> >

> > Here's a quote from the site:

> >

> > "The soul which passes out of the body after death

> > is

> > termed `Preta', one that is bound on its onward

> > march to the Beyond.

> > The soul in its disembodied form hovers about its

> > original and

> > familiar places for ten days. It is in the form of

> a

> > ghost during

> > these ten days. The astral body takes shape from

> day

> > to day with the

> > formation of the head, eyes, and other limbs of

> the

> > Linga Sarira,

> > fed and nourished by the sesamum and water poured

> > out in libation

> > over the stones which represent the ancestors.

> >

> > The soul is fully embodied on the eleventh day. It

> > starts on its

> > journey to the judgement seat of Lord Yama, the

> God

> > of death. It

> > takes one full year from the time of death to

> reach

> > Lord Yama's

> > place. The path is beset with obstacles, distress

> > and difficulties.

> > The man who has done the most wicked deeds suffers

> > more. But the

> > difficulties can be removed and the journey be

> > rendered easy and

> > comfortable by the oblations and offerings given

> by

> > the son of the

> > deceased during the first year of the soul's

> journey

> > and by feeding

> > pure and learned Brahmins. The son should offer

> > rice-balls to the

> > father, without weeping. Death is certain for

> those

> > who are born,

> > and birth is certain for the dead. This is

> > inevitable. Therefore,

> > you should not grieve over it. The ten days' rites

> > should not be

> > neglected. The son should perform the Sapinda

> > ceremony on the

> > twelfth day and the sixteen monthly offerings. The

> > soul is sustained

> > on its onward march to the judgement seat by the

> > libations offered

> > to it by the son.

> >

> > The soul is scorched on the way by intense heat,

> but

> > the gift of an

> > umbrella by his son on the eleventh day gives

> > pleasant shade above

> > his head. The path is full of great thorns, but

> the

> > gift of shoes

> > helps him to go riding on horses. The miseries of

> > cold, heat and

> > wind are dreadful there, but he goes happily along

> > the way by the

> > power of gift of clothes. There is great heat and

> > there is no water,

> > but drinks water when thirsty, through the gift of

> a

> > water-pot by

> > his son. The son should make a gift of a cow.

> >

> > Chitragupta, the recorder of fact, the

> > Accountant-General in the

> > Kingdom of Lord Yama, informs the soul of his good

> > and bad actions

> > in his earthly life after the end of one full

> year.

> > The soul leaves

> > off its Pretatva or the garb of a traveller on

> this

> > day. He is

> > raised to the status of a Pitri or Ancestor."

> >

> > All the best( i am also reading all this yet...).

>

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