Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

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Respected Members,

 

I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

 

There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation for planets. For

eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

 

Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than this max. point of

debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it will be

considered as debilitation and for those people whose mercury is in pisces above

15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

 

Please clarify to me if this is true.

 

Thanks,

Divya

 

 

 

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Dear friend,

The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point in

its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

 

Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

Pisces.

 

Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both set

of points

were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at exalt.

So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

 

Hope this helps,

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Respected Members,

>

> I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

>

> There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation for

planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

>

> Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than this

max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose mercury

is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

>

> Please clarify to me if this is true.

>

> Thanks,

> Divya

>

>

>

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Dear KAD

 

Thanks for your wonderful explanation.

 

regards,

 

Anant Kr. Saha.

 

--- kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

 

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most

> weakest point in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the

> analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is

> the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation

> is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST

> point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in

> warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact

> winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

> Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is

> deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

> debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

> degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

> moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

> descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

> ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

> stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better

> after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

> elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of

> the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

> closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which

> are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in

> astrology.Some say both set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha

> bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility

> and 100% at exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55%

> strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of

> Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

> debilitation for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

> pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree

> is more than this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to

> be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces

> till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those

> people whose mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

> debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

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Dear KAD

 

Your message was very educative. Could you please tell

us the logic og Neecha Banga. How can be consider the

neecha effects to be nullified if a planet conjucts an

Exhalted planet.

 

Regards

Anoop

 

--- kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

 

 

 

Dear friend,

The debilitation point of any planet is the most

weakest point in

its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy

of

our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is

the winter

soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is

on 23rd May.

So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST

point of the

year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

In between there is a gradual change of stage in

warmth or

temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

 

Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact

winter

soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

Coming to

your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces

is deeply

debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

debilitated but

better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

degrees..still

debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

moving towards

deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

descending and

when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

ascending.

Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

stronger &

indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after

15 degrees

Pisces.

 

Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

elliptical

orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the

ellipse.

SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

closest to Sun.

This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which

are

similar to exaltation and debilitation in

astrology.Some say both set

of points

were same, when vedic astrology started. The

Uccha bala or

exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and

100% at exalt.

So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55%

strength and

at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

 

Hope this helps,

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

 

, Divya

<touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Respected Members,

>

> I have a small query regarding debilitation of

Planets.

>

> There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

debilitation for

planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

pisces.

>

> Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is

more than this

max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be

debilitated.

> For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till

15 deg., it

will be considered as debilitation and for those

people whose mercury

is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

debilitated.

>

> Please clarify to me if this is true.

>

> Thanks,

> Divya

>

>

>

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messages

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Dear friend,

It is very difficult to answer questions like this; yet, here is

an attempt to answer:

A neecha point is the weakest point of a planet, which means its

astro-energy is the weakest there.

An uccha point is the strongest point of a planet, which means

its astro-energy is the strongest there.

Considering analogy of Earth, on 23rd Dec, it will be at

the COLDEST or debility point. If another

planet of a closer orbit which is in exaltaion or say at

its HOTTEST point aligns with same

longitude wrt Sun, ie if that planet COMBINES with earth in

same Rashi, the Earth gets HOTTER by

some amount, due to heat of the other planet! Same is the

case with other planets.

 

For example, when Jupiter is at 5 degree Capricorn, he is

weakest. But if exalted Mars joins him at 28 degrees,

Jupiter gets STRONGER or loses WEAKNESS which is NEECHA

BHANGA or cancellation of debility.

Or simply, coldest Jupiter gets hotter, in presence of

hottest Mars near him. Now a question may arise:

If conjuct exactly, doesnot Mars(inner planet) block Sun

rays to Jupiter(outer planet)? NO!

Because plane of revolution of each planet is different and

inclined at different angles.

 

BUT, there are cases, in which planes intersect and planets

align in same longitude, which is eclipse

or GRAHANA, but losts for short time. It is an eclipse when

it involves Earth, otherwise the combination

is similar to planetary war or GRAHAYUDDHA, in which an

inner HOT planet with its shadow, COOLS an outer planet,

blocking Sun rays for a while.

 

Though very crude, I hope it gets you some idea of Neecha

Bhanga. This is just simple case.

It is very difficult to decode other dicta of Neecha bhanga

involving Navamsha, ownership and position.

(Like Mercury in debility and Jupiter in exaltion causing

neecha bhanga of Mercury etc.)

 

Hope it helps,

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

, anoop <anoopvalluva>

wrote:

> Dear KAD

>

> Your message was very educative. Could you please tell

> us the logic og Neecha Banga. How can be consider the

> neecha effects to be nullified if a planet conjucts an

> Exhalted planet.

>

> Regards

> Anoop

>

> --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most

> weakest point in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy

> of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is

> the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is

> on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST

> point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in

> warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact

> winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

> Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces

> is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

> debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

> degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

> moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

> descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

> ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

> stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after

> 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

> elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the

> ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

> closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which

> are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in

> astrology.Some say both set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The

> Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and

> 100% at exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55%

> strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of

> Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

> debilitation for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

> pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is

> more than this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be

> debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till

> 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those

> people whose mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

> debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

> > Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your

> messages

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Dear Sir

 

Thank you so much for the wonderful explanation.

 

Regards

Anoop

 

--- kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

 

 

 

Dear friend,

It is very difficult to answer questions like

this; yet, here is

an attempt to answer:

A neecha point is the weakest point of a planet,

which means its

astro-energy is the weakest there.

An uccha point is the strongest point of a planet,

which means

its astro-energy is the strongest there.

Considering analogy of Earth, on 23rd Dec, it

will be at

the COLDEST or debility point. If another

planet of a closer orbit which is in exaltaion

or say at

its HOTTEST point aligns with same

longitude wrt Sun, ie if that planet COMBINES

with earth in

same Rashi, the Earth gets HOTTER by

some amount, due to heat of the other planet!

Same is the

case with other planets.

 

For example, when Jupiter is at 5 degree

Capricorn, he is

weakest. But if exalted Mars joins him at 28 degrees,

Jupiter gets STRONGER or loses WEAKNESS which is

NEECHA

BHANGA or cancellation of debility.

Or simply, coldest Jupiter gets hotter, in

presence of

hottest Mars near him. Now a question may arise:

If conjuct exactly, doesnot Mars(inner planet)

block Sun

rays to Jupiter(outer planet)? NO!

Because plane of revolution of each planet is

different and

inclined at different angles.

 

BUT, there are cases, in which planes intersect

and planets

align in same longitude, which is eclipse

or GRAHANA, but losts for short time. It is an

eclipse when

it involves Earth, otherwise the combination

is similar to planetary war or GRAHAYUDDHA, in

which an

inner HOT planet with its shadow, COOLS an outer

planet,

blocking Sun rays for a while.

 

Though very crude, I hope it gets you some idea

of Neecha

Bhanga. This is just simple case.

It is very difficult to decode other dicta of

Neecha bhanga

involving Navamsha, ownership and position.

(Like Mercury in debility and Jupiter in

exaltion causing

neecha bhanga of Mercury etc.)

 

Hope it helps,

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

, anoop

<anoopvalluva>

wrote:

> Dear KAD

>

> Your message was very educative. Could you please

tell

> us the logic og Neecha Banga. How can be consider

the

> neecha effects to be nullified if a planet conjucts

an

> Exhalted planet.

>

> Regards

> Anoop

>

> --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most

> weakest point in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the

analogy

> of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is

> the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation

is

> on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST

> point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in

> warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact

> winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

> Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces

> is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

> debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

> degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

> moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

> descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

> ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

> stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better

after

> 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

> elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of

the

> ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

> closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points,

which

> are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in

> astrology.Some say both set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The

> Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility

and

> 100% at exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55%

> strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of

> Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

> debilitation for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

> pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree

is

> more than this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to

be

> debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces

till

> 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those

> people whose mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

> debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

> > Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your

> messages

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> >

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> removed]

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Hi kadrudra Ji

 

As per your explaination, following placement of Mars

is descending (AVAROHI) :-

Mar Cancer 11 58 38 Mon Pushya *Deb*

 

 

But the following placement of SUN is AAROHI :

> Sun Libra 24 06 11 Ven Vishakha *Deb*

 

 

I want to know how AVAROHI and AAROHI results are

different ? I would like to know more about the

effects of these placement.Can you refer me to

place/site where i can read about it.

 

thanks

angel

 

--- kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

 

> Dear friend,

> It is very difficult to answer questions like

> this; yet, here is

> an attempt to answer:

> A neecha point is the weakest point of a planet,

> which means its

> astro-energy is the weakest there.

> An uccha point is the strongest point of a

> planet, which means

> its astro-energy is the strongest there.

> Considering analogy of Earth, on 23rd Dec, it will

> be at

> the COLDEST or debility point. If another

> planet of a closer orbit which is in exaltaion or

> say at

> its HOTTEST point aligns with same

> longitude wrt Sun, ie if that planet COMBINES with

> earth in

> same Rashi, the Earth gets HOTTER by

> some amount, due to heat of the other planet! Same

> is the

> case with other planets.

>

> For example, when Jupiter is at 5 degree Capricorn,

> he is

> weakest. But if exalted Mars joins him at 28

> degrees,

> Jupiter gets STRONGER or loses WEAKNESS which is

> NEECHA

> BHANGA or cancellation of debility.

> Or simply, coldest Jupiter gets hotter, in presence

> of

> hottest Mars near him. Now a question may arise:

> If conjuct exactly, doesnot Mars(inner planet)

> block Sun

> rays to Jupiter(outer planet)? NO!

> Because plane of revolution of each planet is

> different and

> inclined at different angles.

>

> BUT, there are cases, in which planes intersect and

> planets

> align in same longitude, which is eclipse

> or GRAHANA, but losts for short time. It is an

> eclipse when

> it involves Earth, otherwise the combination

> is similar to planetary war or GRAHAYUDDHA, in

> which an

> inner HOT planet with its shadow, COOLS an outer

> planet,

> blocking Sun rays for a while.

>

> Though very crude, I hope it gets you some idea of

> Neecha

> Bhanga. This is just simple case.

> It is very difficult to decode other dicta of

> Neecha bhanga

> involving Navamsha, ownership and position.

> (Like Mercury in debility and Jupiter in exaltion

> causing

> neecha bhanga of Mercury etc.)

>

> Hope it helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

> , anoop

> <anoopvalluva>

> wrote:

> > Dear KAD

> >

> > Your message was very educative. Could you please

> tell

> > us the logic og Neecha Banga. How can be consider

> the

> > neecha effects to be nullified if a planet

> conjucts an

> > Exhalted planet.

> >

> > Regards

> > Anoop

> >

> > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear friend,

> > The debilitation point of any planet is the

> most

> > weakest point in

> > its orbit. It is easier to understand from the

> analogy

> > of

> > our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth

> is

> > the winter

> > soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation

> is

> > on 23rd May.

> > So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its

> COLDEST

> > point of the

> > year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd

> May.

> > In between there is a gradual change of stage

> in

> > warmth or

> > temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

> >

> > Though, astrological debility is NOT the

> exact

> > winter

> > soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

> > Coming to

> > your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of

> Pisces

> > is deeply

> > debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

> > debilitated but

> > better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

> > degrees..still

> > debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

> > moving towards

> > deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

> > descending and

> > when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

> > ascending.

> > Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

> > stronger &

> > indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better

> after

> > 15 degrees

> > Pisces.

> >

> > Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun

> in

> > elliptical

> > orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of

> the

> > ellipse.

> > SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

> > closest to Sun.

> > This makes aphelion and perihelion points,

> which

> > are

> > similar to exaltation and debilitation in

> > astrology.Some say both set

> > of points

> > were same, when vedic astrology started. The

> > Uccha bala or

> > exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility

> and

> > 100% at exalt.

> > So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives

> 0.55%

> > strength and

> > at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Divya

> > <touchbase_divya>

> > wrote:

> > > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > I have a small query regarding debilitation of

> > Planets.

> > >

> > > There is a degree which gives the maximum point

> of

> > debilitation for

> > planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

> > pisces.

> > >

> > > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree

> is

> > more than this

> > max. point of debilitation, it is not considered

> to be

> > debilitated.

> > > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces

> till

> > 15 deg., it

> > will be considered as debilitation and for those

> > people whose mercury

> > is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered

> as

> > debilitated.

> > >

> > > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

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===================

 

 

 

 

 

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Kadji,

 

Thank you so much for the clarification.

 

Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when a benefic

planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is better than if that benefic

planet would have been exalted and in dusthan? For example, if Jupiter is placed

in 8th house and debilitated - is this postion better than if jupiter is exalted

and placed in 8th house?

 

Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means weakness, how

does debilitation + retrogate, give result of exaltation? Is it something like

negative, negative becoming positive?

 

Regards,

Divya

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

Dear friend,

The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point in

its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

 

Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

Pisces.

 

Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both set

of points

were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at exalt.

So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

 

Hope this helps,

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Respected Members,

>

> I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

>

> There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation for

planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

>

> Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than this

max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose mercury

is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

>

> Please clarify to me if this is true.

>

> Thanks,

> Divya

>

>

>

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Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

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Dear friend,

 

The concept of AAROHI and AVAROHI planets is spread over in some

subtle layer of the ocean of astrology. You can read about it in any

classical work in traces but I have not come across any work dealing

exclusively with this concept. If I find, surely I will write to you.

 

But, for a mathematical grasp of the concept, you can refer to

Sripati paddhati and Ucchabala determination or BV Raman's "Graha and

Bhava Balas".

 

yours

KAD

 

, angel <angelgoel> wrote:

> Hi kadrudra Ji

>

> As per your explaination, following placement of Mars

> is descending (AVAROHI) :-

> Mar Cancer 11 58 38 Mon Pushya *Deb*

>

>

> But the following placement of SUN is AAROHI :

> > Sun Libra 24 06 11 Ven Vishakha *Deb*

>

>

> I want to know how AVAROHI and AAROHI results are

> different ? I would like to know more about the

> effects of these placement.Can you refer me to

> place/site where i can read about it.

>

> thanks

> angel

>

> --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

>

> > Dear friend,

> > It is very difficult to answer questions like

> > this; yet, here is

> > an attempt to answer:

> > A neecha point is the weakest point of a planet,

> > which means its

> > astro-energy is the weakest there.

> > An uccha point is the strongest point of a

> > planet, which means

> > its astro-energy is the strongest there.

> > Considering analogy of Earth, on 23rd Dec, it will

> > be at

> > the COLDEST or debility point. If another

> > planet of a closer orbit which is in exaltaion or

> > say at

> > its HOTTEST point aligns with same

> > longitude wrt Sun, ie if that planet COMBINES with

> > earth in

> > same Rashi, the Earth gets HOTTER by

> > some amount, due to heat of the other planet! Same

> > is the

> > case with other planets.

> >

> > For example, when Jupiter is at 5 degree Capricorn,

> > he is

> > weakest. But if exalted Mars joins him at 28

> > degrees,

> > Jupiter gets STRONGER or loses WEAKNESS which is

> > NEECHA

> > BHANGA or cancellation of debility.

> > Or simply, coldest Jupiter gets hotter, in presence

> > of

> > hottest Mars near him. Now a question may arise:

> > If conjuct exactly, doesnot Mars(inner planet)

> > block Sun

> > rays to Jupiter(outer planet)? NO!

> > Because plane of revolution of each planet is

> > different and

> > inclined at different angles.

> >

> > BUT, there are cases, in which planes intersect and

> > planets

> > align in same longitude, which is eclipse

> > or GRAHANA, but losts for short time. It is an

> > eclipse when

> > it involves Earth, otherwise the combination

> > is similar to planetary war or GRAHAYUDDHA, in

> > which an

> > inner HOT planet with its shadow, COOLS an outer

> > planet,

> > blocking Sun rays for a while.

> >

> > Though very crude, I hope it gets you some idea of

> > Neecha

> > Bhanga. This is just simple case.

> > It is very difficult to decode other dicta of

> > Neecha bhanga

> > involving Navamsha, ownership and position.

> > (Like Mercury in debility and Jupiter in exaltion

> > causing

> > neecha bhanga of Mercury etc.)

> >

> > Hope it helps,

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> > , anoop

> > <anoopvalluva>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear KAD

> > >

> > > Your message was very educative. Could you please

> > tell

> > > us the logic og Neecha Banga. How can be consider

> > the

> > > neecha effects to be nullified if a planet

> > conjucts an

> > > Exhalted planet.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Anoop

> > >

> > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > > The debilitation point of any planet is the

> > most

> > > weakest point in

> > > its orbit. It is easier to understand from the

> > analogy

> > > of

> > > our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth

> > is

> > > the winter

> > > soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation

> > is

> > > on 23rd May.

> > > So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its

> > COLDEST

> > > point of the

> > > year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd

> > May.

> > > In between there is a gradual change of stage

> > in

> > > warmth or

> > > temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

> > >

> > > Though, astrological debility is NOT the

> > exact

> > > winter

> > > soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

> > > Coming to

> > > your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of

> > Pisces

> > > is deeply

> > > debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

> > > debilitated but

> > > better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

> > > degrees..still

> > > debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

> > > moving towards

> > > deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

> > > descending and

> > > when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

> > > ascending.

> > > Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

> > > stronger &

> > > indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better

> > after

> > > 15 degrees

> > > Pisces.

> > >

> > > Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun

> > in

> > > elliptical

> > > orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of

> > the

> > > ellipse.

> > > SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

> > > closest to Sun.

> > > This makes aphelion and perihelion points,

> > which

> > > are

> > > similar to exaltation and debilitation in

> > > astrology.Some say both set

> > > of points

> > > were same, when vedic astrology started. The

> > > Uccha bala or

> > > exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility

> > and

> > > 100% at exalt.

> > > So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives

> > 0.55%

> > > strength and

> > > at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Divya

> > > <touchbase_divya>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Respected Members,

> > > >

> > > > I have a small query regarding debilitation of

> > > Planets.

> > > >

> > > > There is a degree which gives the maximum point

> > of

> > > debilitation for

> > > planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

> > > pisces.

> > > >

> > > > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree

> > is

> > > more than this

> > > max. point of debilitation, it is not considered

> > to be

> > > debilitated.

> > > > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces

> > till

> > > 15 deg., it

> > > will be considered as debilitation and for those

> > > people whose mercury

> > > is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered

> > as

> > > debilitated.

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> many thanks

> angel goel

> ===================

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Kadrudra,

To support these clarifications, I would like to present

the horoscope of one of my astrologer friends. He is a professor of English

literature, has several books to his credit, knows four languages and is a very

good astrologer.

14-10-1973

23.05

Roorkee

Uttar Pradesh

India

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh.

 

 

 

-

kadrudra

Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

 

 

Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

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Kadji,

 

Thank you for the reply.

 

I did check the archives before putting up the question as I could not find what

I was looking for. I guess I need to study this topic more to understand

completely.

 

Thanks again,

Divya

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

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Ashutosh ji,

 

Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to study.

I request your comments on what combinations in his chart make him a good

astrologer. Is it because his lord of the 10th, Jupiter, is in the eight house?

 

I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently putting up their request

for advise (for marraige usually). All of them have a debilitated Jupiter. And

one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April 1973,Time: 12.09 PM,Place: Cannanore,

Kerala), has it in the eight house. Do you think he can also become a good

astrologer if he wanted?

 

Please do comment.

 

Thanks,

Divya

 

P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your birth data, for the

question above.

 

Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote:

Dear Kadrudra,

To support these clarifications, I would like to present

the horoscope of one of my astrologer friends. He is a professor of English

literature, has several books to his credit, knows four languages and is a very

good astrologer.

14-10-1973

23.05

Roorkee

Uttar Pradesh

India

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh.

 

 

 

-

kadrudra

Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

 

 

Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

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Absolutely no issues, Divya Ji. In fact I would be

eager to know the feedback from Ashutosh Ji.

 

Regards

Anoop

 

 

--- Divya <touchbase_divya wrote:

 

 

 

Ashutosh ji,

 

Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to

study.

I request your comments on what combinations in his

chart make him a good astrologer. Is it because his

lord of the 10th, Jupiter, is in the eight house?

 

I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently

putting up their request for advise (for marraige

usually). All of them have a debilitated Jupiter. And

one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April 1973,Time: 12.09

PM,Place: Cannanore, Kerala), has it in the eight

house. Do you think he can also become a good

astrologer if he wanted?

 

Please do comment.

 

Thanks,

Divya

 

P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your

birth data, for the question above.

 

Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh

wrote:

Dear Kadrudra,

To support these clarifications,

I would like to present the horoscope of one of my

astrologer friends. He is a professor of English

literature, has several books to his credit, knows

four languages and is a very good astrologer.

14-10-1973

23.05

Roorkee

Uttar Pradesh

India

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Ashutosh.

 

 

 

-

kadrudra

Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of

Planets

 

 

Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and

you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so

it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is

incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward

off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward

off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana

is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is

complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant,

gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic

planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being

functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination

of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter

in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU)

being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise

swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats

just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara

Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro =

exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya

<touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it

imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a

dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted

and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and

debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and

placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if

debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give

result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative

becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the

most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the

analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth

is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation

is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its

COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd

May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage

in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the

exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of

Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better

after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun

in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of

the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points,

which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in

astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The

Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility

and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives

0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of

Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point

of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree

is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered

to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces

till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those

people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered

as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

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hello members,

may be we are transgressing from the main issue into other things like good

Astrologer and marriage issues.Classics does indicate debilitation and

retrograde as two minus factors make a plus.it is good that if such factors help

the natives.

May be we need to go by dasa for results to take place be it marriage or interst

in Astrology.These are influneced by the strength of various other houses.

krishnan

 

anoop <anoopvalluva wrote:

 

Absolutely no issues, Divya Ji. In fact I would be

eager to know the feedback from Ashutosh Ji.

 

Regards

Anoop

 

 

--- Divya <touchbase_divya wrote:

 

 

 

Ashutosh ji,

 

Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to

study.

I request your comments on what combinations in his

chart make him a good astrologer. Is it because his

lord of the 10th, Jupiter, is in the eight house?

 

I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently

putting up their request for advise (for marraige

usually). All of them have a debilitated Jupiter. And

one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April 1973,Time: 12.09

PM,Place: Cannanore, Kerala), has it in the eight

house. Do you think he can also become a good

astrologer if he wanted?

 

Please do comment.

 

Thanks,

Divya

 

P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your

birth data, for the question above.

 

Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh

wrote:

Dear Kadrudra,

To support these clarifications,

I would like to present the horoscope of one of my

astrologer friends. He is a professor of English

literature, has several books to his credit, knows

four languages and is a very good astrologer.

14-10-1973

23.05

Roorkee

Uttar Pradesh

India

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Ashutosh.

 

 

 

-

kadrudra

Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of

Planets

 

 

Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and

you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so

it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is

incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward

off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward

off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana

is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is

complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant,

gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic

planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being

functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination

of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter

in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU)

being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise

swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats

just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara

Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro =

exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya

<touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it

imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a

dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted

and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and

debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and

placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if

debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give

result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative

becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the

most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the

analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth

is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation

is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its

COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd

May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage

in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the

exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same.

Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of

Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still

debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is

moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is

stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better

after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun

in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of

the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes

closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points,

which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in

astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The

Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility

and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives

0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of

Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point

of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg.

pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree

is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered

to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces

till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those

people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered

as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

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Dear Divya,

I would like to clarify some notions. Jupiter is not

responsible for making one an astrologer. The planets responsible is mercury and

ketu. Look at mercury and ketu in his chart and you will get your answers.

 

Ashutosh.

 

 

 

 

 

-

Divya

Saturday, July 02, 2005 18:59

Re: Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

 

 

Ashutosh ji,

 

Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to study.

I request your comments on what combinations in his chart make him a good

astrologer. Is it because his lord of the 10th, Jupiter, is in the eight house?

 

I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently putting up their request

for advise (for marraige usually). All of them have a debilitated Jupiter. And

one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April 1973,Time: 12.09 PM,Place: Cannanore,

Kerala), has it in the eight house. Do you think he can also become a good

astrologer if he wanted?

 

Please do comment.

 

Thanks,

Divya

 

P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your birth data, for the

question above.

 

Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote:

Dear Kadrudra,

To support these clarifications, I would like to present

the horoscope of one of my astrologer friends. He is a professor of English

literature, has several books to his credit, knows four languages and is a very

good astrologer.

14-10-1973

23.05

Roorkee

Uttar Pradesh

India

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh.

 

 

 

-

kadrudra

Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

 

 

Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

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Hello!

May be integral approach in a holistic way make things easier and helpful than

attributing only to planets.In Astrology,theres is nothing like benific and

maleific planet.Even saturn doing the best and jupiter doing the worst are not

unusual.

Retrograde planets particularly slow moving have certain strength and the bhavas

matters.In any case .Kendra as Vishnu sthana are stronger than konas as lakshmi

sthana.Ascendent as lakshmi Vishnu sthans has more strength.

Let's us asses strengths using shadbal than on the basis planets position alone.

krishnan

 

Divya <touchbase_divya wrote:

Kadji,

 

Thank you for the reply.

 

I did check the archives before putting up the question as I could not find what

I was looking for. I guess I need to study this topic more to understand

completely.

 

Thanks again,

Divya

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

Dear friend,

 

This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can refer to

archives for old messages.

Yet, let me share what I know:

 

A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only confirms

that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of giving

scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

 

A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse effects

of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off difficulties

and causes troubles too.

 

Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives complex

difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

 

Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional malefic,when

retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

especially as RE-BOUNCE.

 

The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a single

planet, but by whole chart.

So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

Mercury is very powerful, the ill

effects are grately reduced!

 

In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught by a

crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a clue to

solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

 

Yours

KAD

 

PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

 

 

 

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya>

wrote:

> Kadji,

>

> Thank you so much for the clarification.

>

> Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that when a

benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is better

than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in dusthan?

For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and debilitated - is

this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in 8th

house?

>

> Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation means

weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming positive?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear friend,

> The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest point

in

> its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the winter

> soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on 23rd May.

> So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point of the

> year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth or

> temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

>

> Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is deeply

> debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving towards

> deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending and

> when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger &

> indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15 degrees

> Pisces.

>

> Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in elliptical

> orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the ellipse.

> SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to Sun.

> This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say both

set

> of points

> were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha bala or

> exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100% at

exalt.

> So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength and

> at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> >

> > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of debilitation

for

> planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> >

> > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more than

this

> max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be debilitated.

> > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15 deg., it

> will be considered as debilitation and for those people whose

mercury

> is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as debilitated.

> >

> > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> >

> >

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Browsing through these threads, it was interesting to read a little

earlier today a research article posted by a western astrologer on

the astrodatabank site using factor analysis (something that is

incorporated in the new version of astrodatabank -- though the new

addition may not be of interest to vedics). Tropicalists it seems

take uranus as the 'maker' of astrologers. I have also heard

individuals making reference to neptune as being the planet

responsible. It seems that what we loosely call as 'astrology' might

actually utilize more than a couple of planets, mercury would be

necessary for reasoning and synthesis, moon for memory (all those

3003 yogas and 1008 modifying factors!), jupiter for the divine

flash that nearly all astrologers experience over the years but many

would not get caught admitting publicly ;-) and so on (mars renders

the mercury with much useful critical abilities, for instance) and a

well-placed rahu is essential for functioning in the face of

uncertainties (unknown future, unknown absolute truths -- such as

five versions of Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, three types of

ashtakavargas and umpteen versions of each type of amsha charts!!),

etc etc.

 

I think we astrologers should be grateful that many factors and

planets pitch in when it comes to reading a chart and understanding

the handwriting on the wall of creation!

 

RR

 

, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Divya,

> I would like to clarify some notions. Jupiter is

not responsible for making one an astrologer. The planets

responsible is mercury and ketu. Look at mercury and ketu in his

chart and you will get your answers.

>

>

Ashutosh.

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Divya

>

> Saturday, July 02, 2005 18:59

> Re: Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

>

>

> Ashutosh ji,

>

> Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to study.

> I request your comments on what combinations in his chart make

him a good astrologer. Is it because his lord of the 10th, Jupiter,

is in the eight house?

>

> I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently putting up

their request for advise (for marraige usually). All of them have a

debilitated Jupiter. And one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April

1973,Time: 12.09 PM,Place: Cannanore, Kerala), has it in the eight

house. Do you think he can also become a good astrologer if he

wanted?

>

> Please do comment.

>

> Thanks,

> Divya

>

> P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your birth

data, for the question above.

>

> Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Kadrudra,

> To support these clarifications, I would

like to present the horoscope of one of my astrologer friends. He is

a professor of English literature, has several books to his credit,

knows four languages and is a very good astrologer.

> 14-10-1973

> 23.05

> Roorkee

> Uttar Pradesh

> India

>

>

Regards,

>

>

Ashutosh.

>

>

>

> -

> kadrudra

>

> Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

> Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

>

>

> Dear friend,

>

> This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can

refer to

> archives for old messages.

> Yet, let me share what I know:

>

> A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only

confirms

> that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

> the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of

giving

> scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

>

> A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse

effects

> of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

> So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off

difficulties

> and causes troubles too.

>

> Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

> natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

> So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives

complex

> difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

>

> Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

> dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

> So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional

malefic,when

> retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

> especially as RE-BOUNCE.

>

> The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a

single

> planet, but by whole chart.

> So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

> Mercury is very powerful, the ill

> effects are grately reduced!

>

> In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught

by a

> crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

> Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a

clue to

> solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

> Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

>

> Yours

> KAD

>

> PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Kadji,

> >

> > Thank you so much for the clarification.

> >

> > Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that

when a

> benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is

better

> than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in

dusthan?

> For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and

debilitated - is

> this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in

8th

> house?

> >

> > Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation

means

> weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

> exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming

positive?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Divya

> >

> > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > Dear friend,

> > The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest

point

> in

> > its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> > our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the

winter

> > soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on

23rd May.

> > So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point

of the

> > year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> > In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth

or

> > temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

> >

> > Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> > soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> > your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is

deeply

> > debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> > better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> > debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving

towards

> > deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending

and

> > when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> > Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger

&

> > indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15

degrees

> > Pisces.

> >

> > Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

elliptical

> > orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the

ellipse.

> > SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to

Sun.

> > This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> > similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say

both

> set

> > of points

> > were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha

bala or

> > exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100%

at

> exalt.

> > So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength

and

> > at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> > wrote:

> > > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> > >

> > > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

debilitation

> for

> > planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> > >

> > > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more

than

> this

> > max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be

debilitated.

> > > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15

deg., it

> > will be considered as debilitation and for those people

whose

> mercury

> > is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

debilitated.

> > >

> > > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Divya

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Dear Shri Rohini,

No doubt we always believe in total understanding about the various karakatwas

of planets apart from conventional wisdom written in books.

Problem is how ever the level of accuracy one is able to make out.ofcourse

general study after a particular even is over is nice and we may attribute to a

specific thing.

Recently we have a very great debacle in anticipating a particular party cominig

to power.Almost all renowned Astrologers failed miserably.Reason is lack of

consistency of approach.If some body through westren/eastren thoughts can

contribute it is welcome sign.

So your idea of bringing to the notice of group is indeed a great job

Thanx

krishnan

"many factors and planets pitch in when it comes to reading a chart and

understanding the handwriting"

 

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

Browsing through these threads, it was interesting to read a little

earlier today a research article posted by a western astrologer on

the astrodatabank site using factor analysis (something that is

incorporated in the new version of astrodatabank -- though the new

addition may not be of interest to vedics). Tropicalists it seems

take uranus as the 'maker' of astrologers. I have also heard

individuals making reference to neptune as being the planet

responsible. It seems that what we loosely call as 'astrology' might

actually utilize more than a couple of planets, mercury would be

necessary for reasoning and synthesis, moon for memory (all those

3003 yogas and 1008 modifying factors!), jupiter for the divine

flash that nearly all astrologers experience over the years but many

would not get caught admitting publicly ;-) and so on (mars renders

the mercury with much useful critical abilities, for instance) and a

well-placed rahu is essential for functioning in the face of

uncertainties (unknown future, unknown absolute truths -- such as

five versions of Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, three types of

ashtakavargas and umpteen versions of each type of amsha charts!!),

etc etc.

 

I think we astrologers should be grateful that many factors and

planets pitch in when it comes to reading a chart and understanding

the handwriting on the wall of creation!

 

RR

 

, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Divya,

> I would like to clarify some notions. Jupiter is

not responsible for making one an astrologer. The planets

responsible is mercury and ketu. Look at mercury and ketu in his

chart and you will get your answers.

>

>

Ashutosh.

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Divya

>

> Saturday, July 02, 2005 18:59

> Re: Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

>

>

> Ashutosh ji,

>

> Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to study.

> I request your comments on what combinations in his chart make

him a good astrologer. Is it because his lord of the 10th, Jupiter,

is in the eight house?

>

> I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently putting up

their request for advise (for marraige usually). All of them have a

debilitated Jupiter. And one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April

1973,Time: 12.09 PM,Place: Cannanore, Kerala), has it in the eight

house. Do you think he can also become a good astrologer if he

wanted?

>

> Please do comment.

>

> Thanks,

> Divya

>

> P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your birth

data, for the question above.

>

> Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Kadrudra,

> To support these clarifications, I would

like to present the horoscope of one of my astrologer friends. He is

a professor of English literature, has several books to his credit,

knows four languages and is a very good astrologer.

> 14-10-1973

> 23.05

> Roorkee

> Uttar Pradesh

> India

>

>

Regards,

>

>

Ashutosh.

>

>

>

> -

> kadrudra

>

> Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

> Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

>

>

> Dear friend,

>

> This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can

refer to

> archives for old messages.

> Yet, let me share what I know:

>

> A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only

confirms

> that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

> the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of

giving

> scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

>

> A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse

effects

> of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

> So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off

difficulties

> and causes troubles too.

>

> Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

> natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

> So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives

complex

> difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

>

> Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet in

> dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

> So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional

malefic,when

> retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

> especially as RE-BOUNCE.

>

> The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a

single

> planet, but by whole chart.

> So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th, if

> Mercury is very powerful, the ill

> effects are grately reduced!

>

> In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught

by a

> crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

> Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a

clue to

> solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

> Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

>

> Yours

> KAD

>

> PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

>

>

>

>

> , Divya

<touchbase_divya>

> wrote:

> > Kadji,

> >

> > Thank you so much for the clarification.

> >

> > Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that

when a

> benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is

better

> than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in

dusthan?

> For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and

debilitated - is

> this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in

8th

> house?

> >

> > Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation

means

> weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

> exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming

positive?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Divya

> >

> > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > Dear friend,

> > The debilitation point of any planet is the most weakest

point

> in

> > its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> > our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the

winter

> > soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on

23rd May.

> > So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point

of the

> > year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> > In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth

or

> > temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

> >

> > Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> > soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> > your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is

deeply

> > debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> > better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1 degrees..still

> > debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving

towards

> > deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or descending

and

> > when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or ascending.

> > Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger

&

> > indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15

degrees

> > Pisces.

> >

> > Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

elliptical

> > orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the

ellipse.

> > SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to

Sun.

> > This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> > similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some say

both

> set

> > of points

> > were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha

bala or

> > exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100%

at

> exalt.

> > So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55% strength

and

> > at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> > wrote:

> > > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> > >

> > > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

debilitation

> for

> > planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> > >

> > > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more

than

> this

> > max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be

debilitated.

> > > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15

deg., it

> > will be considered as debilitation and for those people

whose

> mercury

> > is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

debilitated.

> > >

> > > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Divya

> > >

> > >

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Namastey.

 

When the kasauti (benchmark) depends on things such as political

parties and celebrities -- particularly political ones and from

India, then one could be trying to shoot a moving duck. I think Mr.

KN Rao is one of the most accomplished recent astrologers with a

fairly high if not perfect political prediction track record, and he

has often alluded to how these charts and times are distorted on

purpose by nativities and their advisors. I commend the courage of

those who take these as a challenge, but I would be wary of using

those as the benchmark, particularly in a small sample (handled by

most astrologers) and extrapolate any conclusions to the larger body

of population (less glamorous for the astrologer, but highly

important for a large number of jataks ;-))

 

Hope I am not treading on any egos or any toes. Any brush be kindly

taken as a pranaam touch rather than stepping on toes!

 

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, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Dear Shri Rohini,

> No doubt we always believe in total understanding about the various

karakatwas of planets apart from conventional wisdom written in books.

> Problem is how ever the level of accuracy one is able to make

out.ofcourse general study after a particular even is over is nice

and we may attribute to a specific thing.

> Recently we have a very great debacle in anticipating a particular

party cominig to power.Almost all renowned Astrologers failed

miserably.Reason is lack of consistency of approach.If some body

through westren/eastren thoughts can contribute it is welcome sign.

> So your idea of bringing to the notice of group is indeed a great

job

> Thanx

> krishnan

> "many factors and planets pitch in when it comes to reading a

chart and understanding the handwriting"

>

> "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Browsing through these threads, it was interesting to read a little

> earlier today a research article posted by a western astrologer on

> the astrodatabank site using factor analysis (something that is

> incorporated in the new version of astrodatabank -- though the new

> addition may not be of interest to vedics). Tropicalists it seems

> take uranus as the 'maker' of astrologers. I have also heard

> individuals making reference to neptune as being the planet

> responsible. It seems that what we loosely call as 'astrology'

might

> actually utilize more than a couple of planets, mercury would be

> necessary for reasoning and synthesis, moon for memory (all those

> 3003 yogas and 1008 modifying factors!), jupiter for the divine

> flash that nearly all astrologers experience over the years but

many

> would not get caught admitting publicly ;-) and so on (mars renders

> the mercury with much useful critical abilities, for instance) and

a

> well-placed rahu is essential for functioning in the face of

> uncertainties (unknown future, unknown absolute truths -- such as

> five versions of Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, three types of

> ashtakavargas and umpteen versions of each type of amsha charts!!),

> etc etc.

>

> I think we astrologers should be grateful that many factors and

> planets pitch in when it comes to reading a chart and understanding

> the handwriting on the wall of creation!

>

> RR

>

> , "Astrologer Ashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Divya,

> > I would like to clarify some notions. Jupiter is

> not responsible for making one an astrologer. The planets

> responsible is mercury and ketu. Look at mercury and ketu in his

> chart and you will get your answers.

> >

>

>

> Ashutosh.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Divya

> >

> > Saturday, July 02, 2005 18:59

> > Re: Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

> >

> >

> > Ashutosh ji,

> >

> > Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to study.

> > I request your comments on what combinations in his chart make

> him a good astrologer. Is it because his lord of the 10th, Jupiter,

> is in the eight house?

> >

> > I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently putting

up

> their request for advise (for marraige usually). All of them have a

> debilitated Jupiter. And one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April

> 1973,Time: 12.09 PM,Place: Cannanore, Kerala), has it in the eight

> house. Do you think he can also become a good astrologer if he

> wanted?

> >

> > Please do comment.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> > P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your birth

> data, for the question above.

> >

> > Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Kadrudra,

> > To support these clarifications, I would

> like to present the horoscope of one of my astrologer friends. He

is

> a professor of English literature, has several books to his credit,

> knows four languages and is a very good astrologer.

> > 14-10-1973

> > 23.05

> > Roorkee

> > Uttar Pradesh

> > India

> >

>

>

> Regards,

> >

>

>

> Ashutosh.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > kadrudra

> >

> > Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

> > Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

> >

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can

> refer to

> > archives for old messages.

> > Yet, let me share what I know:

> >

> > A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only

> confirms

> > that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

> > the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of

> giving

> > scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

> >

> > A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse

> effects

> > of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

> > So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off

> difficulties

> > and causes troubles too.

> >

> > Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

> > natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

> > So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives

> complex

> > difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

> >

> > Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet

in

> > dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

> > So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional

> malefic,when

> > retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

> > especially as RE-BOUNCE.

> >

> > The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a

> single

> > planet, but by whole chart.

> > So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th,

if

> > Mercury is very powerful, the ill

> > effects are grately reduced!

> >

> > In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught

> by a

> > crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

> > Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a

> clue to

> > solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

> > Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

> >

> > Yours

> > KAD

> >

> > PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> > wrote:

> > > Kadji,

> > >

> > > Thank you so much for the clarification.

> > >

> > > Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that

> when a

> > benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is

> better

> > than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in

> dusthan?

> > For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and

> debilitated - is

> > this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in

> 8th

> > house?

> > >

> > > Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation

> means

> > weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

> > exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming

> positive?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Divya

> > >

> > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > Dear friend,

> > > The debilitation point of any planet is the most

weakest

> point

> > in

> > > its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> > > our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the

> winter

> > > soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on

> 23rd May.

> > > So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point

> of the

> > > year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> > > In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth

> or

> > > temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

> > >

> > > Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> > > soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> > > your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is

> deeply

> > > debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> > > better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

degrees..still

> > > debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving

> towards

> > > deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

descending

> and

> > > when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

ascending.

> > > Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger

> &

> > > indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15

> degrees

> > > Pisces.

> > >

> > > Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

> elliptical

> > > orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the

> ellipse.

> > > SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to

> Sun.

> > > This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> > > similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some

say

> both

> > set

> > > of points

> > > were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha

> bala or

> > > exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100%

> at

> > exalt.

> > > So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55%

strength

> and

> > > at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > yours

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Divya

> > <touchbase_divya>

> > > wrote:

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> > > > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> > > >

> > > > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

> debilitation

> > for

> > > planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> > > >

> > > > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more

> than

> > this

> > > max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be

> debilitated.

> > > > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15

> deg., it

> > > will be considered as debilitation and for those people

> whose

> > mercury

> > > is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

> debilitated.

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> > > >

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Dear Shri Rohini,

 

Namaskarams for the interesting observation supplemented to the group.Iam

certainly having the same sentiments as:but I would be wary of using those as

the benchmark,

Though the subject remains as always a challenge for budding Astrologers,the

direction sometimes misleads as we tend to pick up and start things from here

and there and extrapolate for arriving at some(weird) observations.There are

always zealous curios to pick up and publish and get into headers.

I am more worried in all such cases broader applications having effect large

populace,the subject is always likely to misinterpretation and questioning about

the time tested wisdom.

 

Dealing with''highly important for a large number of jataks ;-))'is always a

problem and need some kind adventures and somersaults in making

predictions.Renowned political personalities including mr Tony Blair have always

been(victims) of raking controversies.may be when we handle global matters it is

better we as a thumb rule limit our approach to conventional approaches than to

come out with startling observations

Shri K.N.Rao being my preceptor I lack courage to make any observation about his

approaches.it is true that he always expressed apprehensions about making

predictions on personalities bur ever willing to apply to mundane aspects.yet I

have to come any renowned Astrologers who could handle so deligently about

eathquakes,weather,and other calamities around the world.My pranams to the the

great living Guru for the bold approach and relentless pursuit from research

point of view.may be we are all indebted to him

regards

krishnan

 

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

Namastey.

 

When the kasauti (benchmark) depends on things such as political

parties and celebrities -- particularly political ones and from

India, then one could be trying to shoot a moving duck. I think Mr.

KN Rao is one of the most accomplished recent astrologers with a

fairly high if not perfect political prediction track record, and he

has often alluded to how these charts and times are distorted on

purpose by nativities and their advisors. I commend the courage of

those who take these as a challenge, but I would be wary of using

those as the benchmark, particularly in a small sample (handled by

most astrologers) and extrapolate any conclusions to the larger body

of population (less glamorous for the astrologer, but highly

important for a large number of jataks ;-))

 

Hope I am not treading on any egos or any toes. Any brush be kindly

taken as a pranaam touch rather than stepping on toes!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Dear Shri Rohini,

> No doubt we always believe in total understanding about the various

karakatwas of planets apart from conventional wisdom written in books.

> Problem is how ever the level of accuracy one is able to make

out.ofcourse general study after a particular even is over is nice

and we may attribute to a specific thing.

> Recently we have a very great debacle in anticipating a particular

party cominig to power.Almost all renowned Astrologers failed

miserably.Reason is lack of consistency of approach.If some body

through westren/eastren thoughts can contribute it is welcome sign.

> So your idea of bringing to the notice of group is indeed a great

job

> Thanx

> krishnan

> "many factors and planets pitch in when it comes to reading a

chart and understanding the handwriting"

>

> "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Browsing through these threads, it was interesting to read a little

> earlier today a research article posted by a western astrologer on

> the astrodatabank site using factor analysis (something that is

> incorporated in the new version of astrodatabank -- though the new

> addition may not be of interest to vedics). Tropicalists it seems

> take uranus as the 'maker' of astrologers. I have also heard

> individuals making reference to neptune as being the planet

> responsible. It seems that what we loosely call as 'astrology'

might

> actually utilize more than a couple of planets, mercury would be

> necessary for reasoning and synthesis, moon for memory (all those

> 3003 yogas and 1008 modifying factors!), jupiter for the divine

> flash that nearly all astrologers experience over the years but

many

> would not get caught admitting publicly ;-) and so on (mars renders

> the mercury with much useful critical abilities, for instance) and

a

> well-placed rahu is essential for functioning in the face of

> uncertainties (unknown future, unknown absolute truths -- such as

> five versions of Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, three types of

> ashtakavargas and umpteen versions of each type of amsha charts!!),

> etc etc.

>

> I think we astrologers should be grateful that many factors and

> planets pitch in when it comes to reading a chart and understanding

> the handwriting on the wall of creation!

>

> RR

>

> , "Astrologer Ashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Divya,

> > I would like to clarify some notions. Jupiter is

> not responsible for making one an astrologer. The planets

> responsible is mercury and ketu. Look at mercury and ketu in his

> chart and you will get your answers.

> >

>

>

> Ashutosh.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Divya

> >

> > Saturday, July 02, 2005 18:59

> > Re: Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

> >

> >

> > Ashutosh ji,

> >

> > Thanks for giving the birth details of your friend to study.

> > I request your comments on what combinations in his chart make

> him a good astrologer. Is it because his lord of the 10th, Jupiter,

> is in the eight house?

> >

> > I have also observed many people ,1973 born, recently putting

up

> their request for advise (for marraige usually). All of them have a

> debilitated Jupiter. And one of them, Anoop, (DOB: 3rd April

> 1973,Time: 12.09 PM,Place: Cannanore, Kerala), has it in the eight

> house. Do you think he can also become a good astrologer if he

> wanted?

> >

> > Please do comment.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Divya

> >

> > P.S. Anoop ji, I hope you dont mind my putting up your birth

> data, for the question above.

> >

> > Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Kadrudra,

> > To support these clarifications, I would

> like to present the horoscope of one of my astrologer friends. He

is

> a professor of English literature, has several books to his credit,

> knows four languages and is a very good astrologer.

> > 14-10-1973

> > 23.05

> > Roorkee

> > Uttar Pradesh

> > India

> >

>

>

> Regards,

> >

>

>

> Ashutosh.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > kadrudra

> >

> > Friday, July 01, 2005 15:24

> > Re: Query Regarding Debilitation Of Planets

> >

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > This forum has discussed these topics many times and you can

> refer to

> > archives for old messages.

> > Yet, let me share what I know:

> >

> > A planet in debility is WEAK but need not be BAD; so it only

> confirms

> > that the planet is INCAPABLE of producing

> > the best results. So, Jupiter in debility is incapable of

> giving

> > scholarly education, rich wealth and so on.

> >

> > A planet in dushtana and debility is weak to ward off worse

> effects

> > of the dusthana and acts as malefic agent.

> > So, Jupiter in debility, in 8th house can not ward off

> difficulties

> > and causes troubles too.

> >

> > Furthur, if the planet in debility and in dusthana is

> > natural/functional malefic, the malefic effect is complex.

> > So debilitated Jupiter in 8th for Gemini ascendant, gives

> complex

> > difficulties wrt proffession(10) and spouse(7).

> >

> > Lastly, if debilitated natural or functional malefic planet

in

> > dusthana is retrograde, the strength is gained.

> > So, Jupiter in debility in 8th house being functional

> malefic,when

> > retrograde, may cause serious and fatal troubles-

> > especially as RE-BOUNCE.

> >

> > The effects SHOULD NOT BE taken just by combination of a

> single

> > planet, but by whole chart.

> > So, even with the retro-debilitated-malefic Jupiter in 8th,

if

> > Mercury is very powerful, the ill

> > effects are grately reduced!

> >

> > In the above case, imagine a hefty person(GURU) being caught

> by a

> > crocodile(MAKARA), but being rescued by a wise swimmer(BUDHA).

> > Did you get a flash of Gajendra Moksha? Well, thats just a

> clue to

> > solve your problem.You can refer to Uttara Kalamrita,

> > Phaladeepika and other classics for furthur studies.

> >

> > Yours

> > KAD

> >

> > PS: Many classical texts quote debility + retro = exaltaion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Divya

> <touchbase_divya>

> > wrote:

> > > Kadji,

> > >

> > > Thank you so much for the clarification.

> > >

> > > Since a debilitated planet is weak, then does it imply that

> when a

> > benefic planet is debilitated and placed in a dusthan, it is

> better

> > than if that benefic planet would have been exalted and in

> dusthan?

> > For example, if Jupiter is placed in 8th house and

> debilitated - is

> > this postion better than if jupiter is exalted and placed in

> 8th

> > house?

> > >

> > > Another doubt that comes to my mind is - if debilitation

> means

> > weakness, how does debilitation + retrogate, give result of

> > exaltation? Is it something like negative, negative becoming

> positive?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Divya

> > >

> > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > Dear friend,

> > > The debilitation point of any planet is the most

weakest

> point

> > in

> > > its orbit. It is easier to understand from the analogy of

> > > our planet, the Earth. Debility of the Earth is the

> winter

> > > soltice point usually on 22nd December. Exaltation is on

> 23rd May.

> > > So on 22nd Dec, the earth will be at its COLDEST point

> of the

> > > year, and will be in its HOTTEST point on 23rd May.

> > > In between there is a gradual change of stage in warmth

> or

> > > temperature. Same is the case with other planets!

> > >

> > > Though, astrological debility is NOT the exact winter

> > > soltice point for any planet, the process is same. Coming to

> > > your question, Mercury in 15 degrees of Pisces is

> deeply

> > > debilitated. 16, 17, 18....29 degrees..still debilitated but

> > > better than 15 degrees. 14, 13, 12....1

degrees..still

> > > debilitated but better than 15 degrees. When he is moving

> towards

> > > deep debility point he is called AVAROHI or

descending

> and

> > > when he crosses it and moves over, he is AAROHI or

ascending.

> > > Astrological dicta say that AAROHI planet is stronger

> &

> > > indicates gains. In that way, Mercury is better after 15

> degrees

> > > Pisces.

> > >

> > > Astronomically, planets revolve around Sun in

> elliptical

> > > orbits, with Sun, NOT AT CENTRE, but at a focus of the

> ellipse.

> > > SO sometimes planets are farthest and sometimes closest to

> Sun.

> > > This makes aphelion and perihelion points, which are

> > > similar to exaltation and debilitation in astrology.Some

say

> both

> > set

> > > of points

> > > were same, when vedic astrology started. The Uccha

> bala or

> > > exaltaion strength of a planet is ZERO at debility and 100%

> at

> > exalt.

> > > So, 16 degrees Pisces for Mercury gives 0.55%

strength

> and

> > > at 30 degrees he will be 8.3% strong.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Divya

> > <touchbase_divya>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Respected Members,

> > > >

> > > > I have a small query regarding debilitation of Planets.

> > > >

> > > > There is a degree which gives the maximum point of

> debilitation

> > for

> > > planets. For eg. Mercury is debilitated at 15 deg. pisces.

> > > >

> > > > Now, someone told me that if the native's degree is more

> than

> > this

> > > max. point of debilitation, it is not considered to be

> debilitated.

> > > > For eg., for people whose mercury is in pisces till 15

> deg., it

> > > will be considered as debilitation and for those people

> whose

> > mercury

> > > is in pisces above 15 deg., it wont be considered as

> debilitated.

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify to me if this is true.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

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