Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 With curious interest I have been reading on this topic of whether or not fate is unchangeable or whether or not Jyotish can alter fate and to what degree. I am not a Jyotishi, but I am a person who understand the Value of Vedic everything. To know possess Vedic knowledge and skill is to understand the architecture of the universe, and of this I admit I am quite, quite ignorant, but I do know this: When Arjuna finishes performing his duty and dismounts his chariot, the chariot falls apart, something that makes Arjuna wonder. The answer from Krishna is that the chariot had been protected by His divine powers, and that otherwise it would have been destroyed long before it had served its purpose. Well, this beautiful and emotionally moving part of the Gita exemplifies the following: humans have both: a vehicles that is fallible, vulnerable, and therefore destructible; but, at the same time, humans have the ability to attain God's grace. A human who lives a life disconected from the Divine, pursuing the shodows of wordly pleasures and the pursuits of vanity of ego, will either wander helplessly through a laberinth without ever finding salvation, or will incur so much bad karma from living a lowly life that then there will be lives of seemingly unexplainable suffering, which Jyotishis can look into. A Jyotishi can say, it is aparent you have been disrespectful of the law, abused drugs or drink, been violent, lazy, etc. from a chart. And here lies the issue of fate, which brins to the second part of human nature, and that is that it is inherently divine. A human is able to align his or herself with God, and through sincerity of worship, deeds, and effort attain God's grace. Once this is done, then God intervenes for such an individual, and the karmic debts a person has can be, in the language of the tax collector, be "written off." This is how Arjuna is able to live long enough to perform right action even if heavenly weapons are used against him. So, the ultimate goal for an individual is to find God. Now, some find God through honoring their parents, others through worship while yet others do so through ritual (tapas, sadhana, etc.), intellectual development, charity, etc. But the goal is God, God first. He who finds God needs not fear bad karma, and that bad karma will only linger long enough until the person understands that sinning isn't helpful. This is why I love Jyotish and would some day like to learn it. But in the mean time, I bow to those who use it to help others. They are gurus because the truly dispel darkness with the light of Jyotish. So please, don't bebate whether or not fate and destiny can be undone. God can do anything. The real question is how successful can the common person be at attaining God's grace. I strongly believe that this what should be said to one seeking solace from you learned beings. And while I don't presume to tell those better that I am how to perform their masterful craft/science, I would like to entertain you with a poem you might have already read, written by Emerson, about God. It has always inspired me and has always made me wonder when the rest of humanity will reach the same conclusion. Yes, we are in Kali Yuga, but that is only the more reason to wax spiritual, and to safeguard the sacred knowledge that has been handed down by beings enlightneded. The poem without the title, goes like this: Brahma If the red slayer think he slays, Or if the slain think he is slain, They know not well the subtle ways I keep, and pass, and turn again. Far or forgot to me is near; Shadow and sunlight are the same; The vanished gods to me appear; And one to me are shame and fame. They recon ill who leave me out; When me they fly, I am the wings; I am the doubter and the doubt, I am the hymn the Brahmin sings. The strong gods pine for my abode, And pine in vain the sacred Seven; But thou, meek lover of the good! Find me, and turn thy back on heaven. Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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