2-Sundar,..re... Saturn patience...and patience....> Mark Kincaid 5/14

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Sorry, I meant to say: 2-Sundar, vs.... 2-Sunday!

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Sat, 14 May 2005 10:20:38 -0500

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2-Sunday,..re... Saturn patience...and patience....> Mark

Kincaid 5/14

 

 

wow! silence and patience are tough taskmasters.

 

sundar

 

 

 

Dear Sundar:

 

I know what you mean...

 

But, since I've also experienced, that silence and patience....also teach us

about how to find, that true, inner bliss and happiness...

 

it's also a great blessing in disguise!

 

 

 

ehhehe

 

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

 

Sundaresan Krishnaswami <sundarkris

 

Sat, 14 May 2005 07:27:59 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: 2-All, re....."Silence is the Way...".....of Saturn...

All-Important Saturn into Cancer, coming up! Mark Kincaid 5/14

 

 

wow! silence and patience are tough taskmasters.

 

sundar

 

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

"Silence is the Way...

 

......of Saturn... "

 

 

 

 

The last few day's, I noticed as the all-important Moon, was transiting

across the 'bow', so to speak, of Saturn,....that during Saturn moment's,

.....'Silence is the key, to understanding Saturn.

 

Whether in Saturn momentary Transits, or Saturn Dasas, or even in longer

Saturn period's like the one coming up, with Saturn moving through Cancer,

it will be very important that we realize, a new and better way to live with

Saturn.

 

Saturn, commonly, is known as....the planet of 'grief'. It's also called

the great Lesson Planet. It's called often times, the planet of 'loss', of

'set-backs', 'frustrations', 'dis-ease, disease and death'.

 

These, all are obviously true, however, there are instances, where Saturn is

found being benefic, in certain people's charts or transits.

 

Sometimes, when people have Saturn either in Capricorn, Aquarius, or even,

Exalted Libra, they're found exhibiting, the more wonderful, benefic

qualities of Saturn.

 

They have more patience, they seem to know, intuitively, when to do, and

when to not. They're more calm, more mature, more settled, and have more

composure.

 

All these experiences, started me thinking, (years ago, now), that maybe,

just maybe, there's a real symbolism, there within the rest of our Saturn's

that, just maybe, we're meant to understand, better.

 

As I watched and studied, Saturn, both in books, in people's charts, and

especially in the Transits, of Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus,

Gemini, Cancer, and now, Gemini; Saturn has blessed me with more and more

'Wisdom', as to his nature.

 

Now, I understand, that Saturn is the planet of lessons, but once, you

understand what that lesson is, and you learn especially, how to adjust, and

do, and be, with more of Saturn's benefic qualities, then, you've got it!

 

Then, you've learned the deep, all-important symbolism, of the normally,

more malefic Saturn.

 

I tell you, of all the deep meaning's and symbolisms, of Jyotish; this one

has given me the greatest growth and ultimate happiness.

 

Probably, because my Saturn started out so bad!

hehehe

 

I was born with it in the 12th house, and with my Moon.

 

This was especially significant, because being a Libra rising, Saturn

represented my Yogakaraka, planet.

Think then, of the most important planet being there, in the 12th house of

loss, and yep, that pretty much summed up my early life.

 

I vividly experienced all the symbolisms, of loss, of grief, of delays,

disappointments, and deep, deep, frustrations.

 

For me, though, there was only two choices.

 

One, I could just lie down and die, which at time's seemed like a 'good',

possibility.

 

Or, I could find some solution.

 

And, that, seemed somehow, less awful, then, dying! hehehe

 

That 'grief' of my Saturn, then, lead me to find a solution, and eventually

I was blessed to find meditation.

 

Learning to meditate, in the early 70's, each day that I was able to

meditate, I began to experience, some relief. I started to feel less

anxious, less worried, and less depressed. That experience, alone,

convinced me, I was on the right track.

 

Eventually, that state of all-time, worry, began to be replaced by more and

more,....inner calmness, and even joy. With the complete, turn about, in

the nature of my calmness, Saturn was becoming appeased!

 

And, as I experienced and grew in all the wonderful benefits of meditation,

and the expansion of consciousness, that it represented, I began to know of

the positive, more benefic side to Saturn.

 

Even before knowing why?

 

Years, later, when I stumbled upon Jyotish, and began my study, I realized,

that Saturn could be looked at in this simultaneous, dual way. Ever read

that book: "Saturn, friend or foe"?

 

That, had been my experience, and I knew intimately both realities.

 

However, I can tell you, it's a lot nicer having Saturn on your side, and

being symbolic of the deeper, more silent, realities of life!

 

Now, we're about to have Saturn moving into the all-important, sign of the

Moon, Cancer.

 

Last fall for a few week's and month's, Saturn tipped it's toe, into the

cold water of Cancer, and I watched as everyone, shuddered at that

experience.

 

On September 6th, of 2004, the day after my birthday, whew!, ducked that

one, barely, hehhee; Saturn moved into Cancer.

 

Over the next few week's and month's I had this amazing experience of

Saturn's presence.

 

Perhaps because I'd been watching it so closely for over 16 years; but I'd

learn to perceive Saturn's movements.

 

>From Saturn in Capricorn, in 1990, to Saturn in Cancer, now, in 2004, I'd

watched Saturn go through all the Signs, from Capricorn, to Aquarius, and

Aries, then Taurus, and eventually Gemini, and now, Cancer.

 

Saturn was experienced, by me, (in Cancer), like a huge boulder, that was

inching it's way, into my 10th house.

 

I noticed, it, because I kept running around, it laughing, looking at that

boulder, and thinking, "wow, that's Saturn"!

 

Later as it shrunk back into Gemini, and that intensity, of affect, began to

diminish, I realized, "oh, my God, that was Saturn!" (on January 13, 2005,

Saturn went back into Gemini)

 

Also, during that time, I noticed so many people freaking out, because of

Saturn's initial movement into that all-important Cancer.

 

So, why is Saturn, traditionally, so negative or malefic, in Cancer?

 

It occurs to me, now, that this is because Cancer, represent's the home of

the Moon, and therefore of the mind, itself.

 

So, when Saturn, which generally, is carrying a strong, 'malefic' message,

across the different area's of our life; begin's to move into the home of

our mind's' then, no wonder it's initial message seems to be one of grief!

 

 

But, my background and even, personal experience, had already convinced me

that this movement, these realities, didn't have to be negative.

 

So, how can we make sure that Saturn's up-coming transit, into Cancer, (on

May 26th, 2005), can be more positive, and not negative! ?

 

 

o First of all, we can understand that Saturn's movements don't have

to be negative!

 

Sure, they may have been, but if we can look within, and in the process, of

'Surrendering', to Nature, and to Saturn, discover the inherent positive,

Wisdoms, that Saturn is trying to teach us, then, perhaps, this transit, can

become positive.

 

This opportunity, really, is also important, because if we learn how to do

this, now, and over the next 2 years, or so, then, when Saturn, move's into

Leo, the sign of the Sun!....

then, we'll be ready!

 

 

Silence is the Way....

 

 

 

One of the ways in which I remind myself, to be more in-tune with Saturn, is

by reminding myself, that Saturn's way, is through Silence.

 

Saturn, sure, bring's grief, but only if we're creating imbalance.

 

If we're creating naturalness, calmness, and balance, then, Saturn isn't

malefic!

 

If we're doing anything with more integration of rest & activity, then,

Saturn is appeased, and having done his job, then, he begin's to be his

true, Benefic Self!

 

Saturn is really the planet of Silence.

 

Saturn is the planet of Being!

 

This is why Saturn is known as the planet of the renunciates, or sannyasi's,

because they, living a life, of all silence, and surrendering,.... are so

very close to Saturn.

 

For the rest of us, who are pre-dominantly, Householders, how can we make

our Saturn's also, benefic! ?

 

By, being more silent, in our every day, lives!

 

>From that initial experience of growth of inner quietness, from meditation,

I had my first experience, of these, positive, possibilities, of Saturn!

 

Then, when I added Jyotish, and intellectually came to understand what

Saturn was about, then, as I more consciously, studied, and imbibed, the

truer, deeper, Wisdoms of Saturn, then my life became even more glorious, in

the light of Saturn's many graces!

 

Now, I'm happy to say: this up-coming period can either, be a path, of

increasing joy and one of silence, and happiness, or it can be a continually

frustrating period of worry, anxiety, and unhappiness.

 

For me, my initial reaction was to run all around that Saturn, boulder, as

it was moving through my normally very busy 10th house. Now, I realize,

that was not being in-tune with Saturn, and was really a formula for

disaster.

 

I, too, got caught off guard, and even though I was experiencing Saturn's

movement into my 10th house, I was not quite ready to adjust, and be more

in-tune with it!

 

As a result, like most, I did feel, more of the malefic sides to that Saturn

transit.

 

Fortunately, Nature gave us a reprieve. On November 7th, of 2004, Saturn

began it's Retrograde motion, and began moving backwards, and eventually

back out of Cancer, and into Gemini.

 

Then, on January 13, 2005, Saturn moved back into Gemini, again. Now, after

several months, I've been thinking a lot about this most recent experience

and I realize, how important this up-coming transit, is.

 

So, between now, and May 26th, when Saturn begin's it's return, back into

Cancer,... study this possibility of making your Saturn more calm, balanced,

and Benefic!

 

 

Silence is the Way....

of

Saturn.....

 

 

Now, I understand that "Silence", is the way of increasing Saturn's positive

side.

 

 

Though normally, we don't get enough rest, and do things, with enough, inner

quietness, so normally, Saturn is quite malefic!

 

However, having learned that Saturn's really just about trying to teach us

about the all-important wisdom of inner Silence, and bliss; now, I realize,

this too, is a great up-coming opportunity, to do, and to act, more in-tune

with Saturn.

 

Allow yourself, over the next 2 years, to imbibe more silence, and inner

balance, in your life.

 

Especially, in the very important area of the Moon, or emotional center, be

sure, that you are 'feeling' calm, and peaceful.

 

Let silence, and calmness, and peace, be the way,...during these 2 years!

 

 

If you do, then, this transit, can be smooth, and effortless, and verryyyy,

productive.

 

You will still, be able to get what you want, and fulfill your desires,

though the way, will be through calmness, instead of through frantic

activity.

 

 

If you don't, then, Saturn will remind you that you're not being enough

in-tune with this, his inner, side of peace.

 

Let your emotions, your inner 'feelings' be the barometer, in these 2 years,

of your balance or attunement with Saturn.

 

Like the mini-Saturn period of the last 2 days, when the Moon was transiting

with Saturn; let this entire period be an opportunity to grow in the benefic

wisdoms of Saturn, especially emotionally.

 

You'll know you're doing this, if you feel great!

 

You'll know you're being more in-tune with Saturn, because you won't feel

any grief, or qualities of delays, frustrations, or unhappiness.

 

You'll know you're being in-tune, if you get what you want, through

effortless, quiet, peaceful, deep thinkings, alone.

 

Silence is the way, ....

and especially now, Silence is the way, to more benefic Saturn,.... and

through that, more easy, and natural, fulfillments of our desires.

 

Normally, Jupiter is the one that teaches us how to expand!

 

We learn, through Jupiter, how to live, with more Wisdom, and Knowledge.

 

Through more Jupiter, we learn how to get what we want, through the

enlivenment of learning, and deep, Wisdom about life.

 

Everything to do with Vedic Knowledge, increases our Jupiter sense, and

Jupiter power.

 

"Knowledge is Organizing Power!", it has been said.

 

 

This is a great expression of Jupiter.

 

Saturn, on the other hand, represent's the wisdom of Silence.

 

Without enough silence, life is stressful, full of tiredness, imbalances,

dis-ease, disease,...and yep, that's right, death.

 

With more balance, (which is really a camouflaged word for Saturn), then,

life's stresses, dissolve, and tension's decrease.

 

Then, if we continue with this increase in consciousness, integration of

silence, then life begin's to be lived, simultaneously, in term's of silence

along with activity.

 

Then, we gain the ability to get what we want, by being more in-tune with

Nature.

 

This is the path of Saturn.

 

Normally people think only of getting what we want through 'doing'.

 

This is the path of Mars.

 

However, Silence & Saturn are also an intimate part of the path of

fulfillment.

 

If we don't have enough inner silence, then thinkings are not clear, and

powerful, and even then, our Mars' is not as powerful as it could be.

 

 

It's like Nature is this huge bank! And, learning how to be more in-tune

with 'it', allows us to have constant access to the infinite resources, of

the literal, unlimited, bank!, of Nature.

 

If we strain, and don't imbibe enough inner 'wakefulness', then Saturn gets

aggravated, and being out of balance, then, he spontaneously acts more

malefically.

 

Why?

 

Is it a punishment? Well, sort of, but only as a direct result of our

actions.

 

Why? To show us, how we're doing.

 

Whenever we don't get enough rest, and we wake up, any morning, tired, and

stressed, then, that day, is filled with the added complications, of not

being adequately prepared, to be our best!

 

But, once we learn that "Rest is the Basis of Activity", and balance is an

intimate part of a finer, more wonderful way to live, then, Saturn is

appreciated, and being more balanced, then, spontaneously give's to us, it's

sweet, ever wonderful, benefic sides!

 

The way, you'll be able to tell, that you're acting with enough Saturn

balance, within these next few years, is, your 'feelings' will tell you!

 

If you're feeling good, and sweet, and calm, then, you'll know, .... your

Saturn's balanced.

 

If you're not feeling good, or are full of worry, or listlessness, anxiety,

phobias, etc., then, these are all signs, that Saturn is not balanced

enough, and he's assuming his more negative, malefic role.

 

The key, then, is it's still, ... up to us.

 

Use this great opportunity, to be and grow, more in-tune with this great

benefic side of Saturn.

 

There already, will be soooo many others, who won't have a clue, about this

Astrological Reality, and we can be ready to help them,...at least if we're

balanced.

 

Good luck, and enjoy this great vision of the "dangers on the horizon", and

here's hopeing that you transform this into the great opportunity, that's

lieing right, ahead of us.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

Astrologer

Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved

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