2-Vir Van...... regd. Jyotish remedies....> Mark Kincaid 5/3....

[Guest guest]

Hello Mark! Thanks for sharing with us your enthralling early days with

Jyotish & Ayurveda and also your fascinating thoughts on our life..So

according to you, our birthcharts not only tell us our miseries and

pitfalls but also ways to avoid them?!

 

 

Dear Vir Van:

 

So, very nice for you to say. It's always a little strange and delicate

talking about oneSelf!,

hehehe.

 

But, if there's anything I've learned through the study of Vedic Wisdom,

including Jyotish, it's the fact, that we're all One,...

 

and indeed,...the very same, Unbounded,....Higher Self....!

 

Therefore, one person's gain, or insights, and ...strengths, are really the

strengths of us all!

 

I can't tell you how often, I've learned of the strengths, of others,

especially my friends with Exalted Saturn's or strong Moon's....who gave

me,....

 

concrete, very real, to life, examples, of how those planets might be

positive!

 

Especially since those were not my strenghts....! heeh

 

Let's see back to your question....

 

 

You said:

 

So our birthcharts not only tell us our miseries and pitfalls but also ways

to avoid them?!

And Indian Jyotish I thought was fatalist..exact..accurate with no way of

escape for the native except shown by foot path soothsayers of yagnas and

pujas to make their two ends meet!

Anyway hallelujah

 

 

Well, I think this is one of my main points, that not only does, Astrology,

understand 'fate', and the very real, pre-conditionings, that we were born

with...but...

it also understands the areas of freedom, and opportunities, and ways in

which we can evolve,

and especially grow beyond our conditionings...and achieve, ... the real

purposes of our lives...

 

We were not born, to only suffer the consequences of our previous

actions...

We were also born, to rise up, over those negatives, and achieve, as much as

possible.

 

My private, experiences, in consciousness, especially through meditation,

have convinced me,

there's a Universe, more... out there,...

that also exists, inside,.....here...

 

And 'We are all, that!"

 

You also said:

 

I myself am the sufferer at the hands

of torturejyotishes who have now n then horrified me by showing

threatening 12th Shani-sadasati and evil-Rahu effects and have always

asked for remedies which would totall

 

 

One of my worst experiences in Jyotish, was also when I was in India, and I

had a so-called famous Jyotishee, tell me "you'll never have this and you'll

never have....'that'..."

 

Well, not only was that depressing, but now, as it turns, out, I have

achieved....some of those

things he said I wouldn't!

 

I also noticed in so many of the early writings, of the Eastern Astrology

books that were being written, way back then, in 1988, ....

were filled with so much negativity, and pessimism....

 

Fortunately, I was very lucky.

 

My 'path' included the gracious, warm, and optimistic qualities of a great

Guru, and teachers, who taught me about this great hopefulness, and

possibilities of human achievement,...

especially.... through the Vedic Wisdom...

 

As a result, I was able to weather, the somewhat depressing tone, of what I

now believe,

is the natural result, of getting....too overshadowed,...by that

fatalistic,...or pre-deterministic

side to life...

 

See, I'm not saying that the pre-conditionings don't exist....

 

But, somehow, so do the freedom, aspects....

 

And, though intellect may have a hard time understanding how both, fate &

freedom, could both exist...

 

It may still be the truth.

 

When I contemplate the Vedic vision of Reality, it's not one of prisons, of

limitations, and narrowness.

 

The Vedic Wisdom of life, is of literally, unbounded potentialities!

 

Within each one of us, exists, the home of all the laws of nature...

 

Deep within, there exists, at the very base and source of the mind, a

'Source of Thought', which is literally, that unbounded field of

consciousness!

 

When you learn to get in-touch, and have, even very real and concrete

experiences of 'THAT',

then, you come to understand this amazing quality of freedom and infinite

possibilitis...

 

Until I started having these deep, inward experiences, it's true, my life,

was more bound, and full of miseries....

but this is my point,...

 

Having the possibilities of inward expansion, growth, and of life's

possibilities... is not just an

exception, and possible for just saints and seers...

It's also possible for all of us...

 

It's in the Ved,...it's in all the Vedic Knowledgen... and especially in

Jyotish....

 

Perhaps in the future, we'll recognize this, and realize,...that Jyotish

REMEDIES..!,

is not only a great fascination, but is the most important part, of Jyotish.

 

For example, today, now, when I look at people's charts...

 

 

I'll only take a few moments to figure out which planets are acting

malefically!

 

And then, very quickly I can begin the process of recomendations,

prescriptions and Jyotish remedies, to literally strengthen those formerly,

functional malefics!

 

Fun talking with you!

 

 

So cant wait to follow your

discourses on the group about the remedial jyotish and enlighten myself

by your wisdom!!

 

Jay Gurudev

 

Your student..

Vir

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

"Vir Van" <virvan2000

AyurvedJyotishYoga

Tue, 03 May 2005 15:51:34 -0000

AyurvedJyotishYoga

[AyurvedJyotishYoga] regd. Jyotish remedies

 

 

Hello Mark!

Thanks for sharing with us your enthralling early days with

Jyotish & Ayurveda and also your fascinating thoughts on our life..So

according to you, our birthcharts not only tell us our miseries and

pitfalls but also ways to avoid them?! And Indian Jyotish I thought was

fatalist..exact..accurate with no way of escape for the native except

shown by foothpath soothsayers of yagnas and pujas to make their two

ends meet! Anyway hallelujah as I myself am the sufferer at the hands

of torturejyotishes who have now n then horrified me by showing

threatening 12th Shani-sadasati and evil-Rahu effects and have always

asked for remedies which would totally favour them monetary wise then

personally me in anyway otherwise.. So cant wait to follow your

discourses on the group about the remedial jyotish and enlighten myself

by your wisdom!!

 

Jay Gurudev

 

Your student..

Vir

 

 

>From 5/2/05

 

 

 

Nature's Astrology

&

My Introduction....

 

 

 

Dear All New Subscribers:

 

I just realized today, over 120 new members have joined one or other of the

we have now, in the last 4 weeks.

 

I've been so busy, I haven't had a chance to really talk to you.

 

 

I think a kind of Introduction about myself might be in order.

 

 

I'm a former Meditation and Ayurved teacher, since 1973, in fact, that

recently, since, 1988, began my study of Jyotish, or Eastern, Vedic

Astrology.

 

I have to say, I used to think the be-all and end-all of 'things' would have

to be meditation.

 

And, don't get me wrong, I still love it, and recommend it, however, now

after all these years studying Jyotish/Astrology, I have to say, I'm

realizing that Jyotish, is even more profound.

 

Though probably, there's no real race!

hehe

 

 

As it turns out, all the other branches of Vedic Knowledge, whether

meditation, or Ayurved, or even yoga, can be seen in one of more of the

various 'Houses' in Jyotish.

 

So, they're all related.

 

In fact, in the Jyotish that I do, I readily acknowledge and apply the

particular insights and wisdoms of Ayurved, especially, to the remedial, and

recuperative side of Jyotish.

 

 

 

My Theory

of Astrology....

 

 

 

 

I have to say however, that my particular, brand, or practice of Astrology,

is inclusive of both Eastern & Western branches.

 

I started out studying Jyotish, in 1988, those many years ago, but perhaps

because of my strong history, or transformative,....experiences in

Meditation, I noticed fairly quickly that my

particular 'subjective' interpretations, seemed to veer, quite dramatically!

hehe

 

Now, I realize, again, probably due to my particular experiences in the

field of meditation, I couldn't just accept the normal belief in 'fate' and

pre-determinism.

 

When I first started studying Jyotish, I'd pick up any book on the subject,

and there would be about 195 pages on the Jyotish, or Understanding part of

Astrology.

 

For example, how, this feature works, and how this principle, and then, how

all of the various rules come together, to create a system that very

accurately describes the way we are!

 

Then, I noticed, way at the end, in the last 5 pages or so, a category of

'Remedial Measures'.

 

It was almost like an after thought, tucked in at the end, like that.

 

I thought, wow, that's interesting. Later I realized this emphasis on 98%

of the Understanding and only 2% on the remedial measures might not be the

effective.

 

So, I started putting research on this healing, or curative, or

transformative side to Jyotish/Astrology.

 

I discovered that there was this huge belief that growth, and actual,

positive change was very difficult if not down right, impossible in certain

areas.

 

Then, I remembered my meditation background.

 

I'd learned the Transcendental Meditation technique of Meditation. Some of

you may have heard about it! hehe

 

And, I remembered, that the founder of the T.M. program, the Maharishi

Mahesh Yogi, had already explained, that the entire field of Vedic Science

of Knowledge, was in a state of great, disrepair.

 

"The essence of Ved", he explained "has been forgotten, and only the

remnants of this ancient wisdom and civilization exists, today."

 

"Ved represents the supreme knowledge of life, how anyone can develop their

full, human, literally, infinite potential!"

 

But, this knowledge has been forgotten, at least the easy, effortless and

natural key to powerful, effective meditation, and as a result, the entire

field, is in difficulties."

 

I think about that now, when I try and explain my orientation to and

particular advancement, and development of my Jyotish.

 

I thought perhaps, something has been forgotten in Jyotish, as well. Later

I realized, it's this, vital, and important area of 'Jyotish

Transformation'....

 

Now, I realize, we only need to spend, 10 or 15% of our time, analyzing the

problem, and then, the whole rest of the time, we can figure out how to

literally, solve any problem, in life, by strengthening the functioning

'malefic' that's been causing that problem.

 

And, that, in a nutshell, is the essence of my Jyotish/Astrology.

 

Today, we're making history, by re-enlivening this most important aspect of

Jyotish, and also all aspects of Vedic Wisdom.

 

When I was in India, in 1988, I was attending a course on Ayurved, and I

heard, the Maharishi say:

 

"Don't' take your chart, like it's written in stone; it's just the state of

Physiology, at birth!"

 

I've thought a lot about this expression over the years, and I think it's

had a powerful effect on how my Jyotish has developed, and what I believe

in.

 

I don't see our chart's as 'fixed in stone'. I see them as being

representative of both our karmas, and our opportunities.

 

Pre-destiny or pre-determinism does exist, but so does hope, and

opportunity, and all possibilities!

 

Freedom & 'fate' they have always been the 2 irreconcilable, aspects of

Astrology.

 

In the West, it's just assumed that freedom is possible.

 

In the East, it's more often believed, not!

 

"In truth", the Maharishi has said: "both are true."

 

When I look at my life, and I look at the train of karma of my life, before

meditation, especially, all the darkest predictions that could have been

made of my chart, were true!

 

I had Moon & Saturn in my 12th house.

Moon was ruler of the 10th, only 1 house away from the Sun, in the 11th.

 

And Mars was debilitated in the 10th....

and a few other choice malefic situations!

 

But, I had a good Jupiter, and Sun.... so eventually, I stumbled into

meditation.

 

Then, something happened that I never expected....

 

I learned how to 'expand my consciousness'!!

 

For those of you who've not had any experiences like this, I can't even

begin to tell you what this is like!

 

For those who have had this experience, almost no explanation is necessary.

 

Let's just say, all previous concepts of mind, life, worries, and troubles,

and misfortunes,... were all, not UNDERSTOOD!!!!.

 

Then, when I learned to expand my mind!, wow, that changed my life....!

 

When you meditate, (which by the way, is both a great way of strengthening

both Jupiter & Saturn, inside),...I noticed immediately 'feeling better.

 

I was more relaxed, more calm, and the worries, anxieties, and even

depression, I had previously experienced, every day of my life,...started

miraculously, disappearing!

 

After a number of years of this, I was a changed man!

 

 

Then, after 10 or 15 years, I noticed that benefits seemed to smooth out.

 

I got used to the experience, and thought 'well, it might take me another 15

years, to become enlightened!'

 

The, I traveled to India, to attend that Ayurved course. At the very end,

they had these 5 days of Jyotish. That turned out to be everyone's favorite

part.

 

I got soo excited about studying Jyotish, that I came back to the states,

and now, 18 years later, here we are!

 

Voila!

 

Now, I understand that Jyotish has a powerful and very deep role in our

self-development and evolution.

 

Oh, sure, we could probably do it without Jyotish's special benefits, but

I'm sure glad I don't have to!

hehe

 

 

Now I understand, to give you just one idea: "The Malefics in our chart's

they're not just symbolic of our problems, challenges, illusions, delusions,

bad habits, and sufferings! No!, ... they're also symbolic of our literal,

opportunities, and areas of growth!"

 

In other words, the malefics represent those very planets, that if we could

learn to strengthen, we could literally, dissolve and obliterate those

problems.

 

This idea of remedial measures is already there, now, the understanding is

deepening, that, it's range of possibilities, knows no bounds.

 

If the mind, itself, could be lead, to the source of mind, deep inside, and

the field of infinite, energy, power, and intelligence,....literally

unfolded and lived in life; don't you think that might change our lives!

 

Then, add on top of that the possibility of literally, changeing our planets

through an act of Psychology, and you'll begin to understand what's

possible.

 

If Ayuyrved, represents the 'body' of Ved, in other words, Ayurved is like

shaking the self, through the body; Jyotish, is the 'mind' of Ved.

 

Jyotish, in fact, represents the Psychology of Vedic Knowledge, and includes

the complete range of development of mind, from it's normal, unused, paltry,

10 or 15% ,,...to literally, a complete, 100% development.

 

Jyotish is like an Advanced Technique.

 

We can stimulate and move ourselves, strengthening any and literally every

planet by coming to Understand, and unfold, the greater Wisdom, and then,

benefits of all the Planets!

 

Take Mars for example.

 

We may have a functioning malefic Mars. As a result, we have too many

accidents, and get irritable and cross too often, and fights and

disagreements.

 

So, we go to an Ayurvedic doctor and he feels our pulse and says: "Ahhh,

your pitta, is out of balance... Do this and that,....to bring your pitta

into balance..."

 

Then, you get the idea to go to a Jyotishee, and then, he starts looking at

you, through the mind. "Ahhhh, yes, I see, your Mars, is creating a lot of

mischief."

 

Now, normally, a few remedial measures might be recommended but no real

since that you could really change that planet much!

 

But, go to a new, Consciousness Jyotishee, and he might say, "ahhhh, yes,

you need to strengthen, or balance your Mars!"

 

"How do I do that?", you might say....

 

Then, a whole slew of prescriptions are given, including learning that your

Mars, is literally, a product of your thinkings, and thought patterns.

 

And, though it may now, be of a functioning, malefic Mars, it still has the

potential to be unraveled.

 

I believe, in fact, this is why we've come to this Earth.

 

Not to just experience these karmic repercussions, but literally, to learn

how to prevent their future, negative 'births'.

 

Once I understood that I had created this chart, previously, I realized,...

I can change it!

 

And each step we take towards, embracing our Astrology, and learning how to

change and transform, all our malefics into strengths, then, we'll be living

a truely, new and powerful, complete, Vedic Astrology.

 

 

Vedic is for Enlightenment, and Vedic Astrology can have a great role at the

unfoldment of that great, treasure, of human possibility!

 

 

Take care

 

 

And look forward to ever growing Wisdom of Jyotish, with you all!

 

 

We're on a great, roll!

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

Jai Guru!