2-Therese, re. Brief, comments to correspondence between Mu & Mark

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Dear Therese:

 

Nice to hear from you. As I've listed before my birth data is Sept. 4, 1951

at 11:17am

Kansas City, MO. Libra rising, Jyotish system.

 

 

One last thing I'll say. Indian Vedic Knowledge including Jyotish has been

very ineffectual,

especially in India for a long time. That's not to say there isn't

tremendous potential

and benefits in isolated pockets but as a whole, not living up to the vision

of possibilities

according to Vedic Wisdom.

 

Having taught meditation for a long time, I can vouch for the fact, that the

technique and practice of Transcendental Meditation, as taught by Maharishi

Mahesh Yogi, is very unique

and new to India, as well as the west.

 

Japa, mantra meditation is not new, however, the way that TM, is understood

both as a technique and as a Philosophy is unique and extremely new.

 

Like that, I've looked into the nature, of so-called Traditional Astrology

or Jyotish and found

much there that's also wrapped up in that old view, of Vedic understanding.

 

Maharishi himself, as said that Vedic Knowledge 'traditionally' goes throuch

cycles of freshness

and loss of knowledge. Then, at various times, that knowledge is revived

and made more

practical.

 

Anyone who would like to read more about this, could pick up a copy of

Maharishi's translation of the Bhagavad Gita, available most places.

 

In there, Maharishi talks about how the technique of the effortless and

natural technique of TM has been known in the past but gotten lost at times.

 

Maharishi also goes into great detail about how part of the problem is

because individuals of the sannyasi or renunciate side of life, have gotten

into the habit of honoring this as superior to the householder path.

 

As a result, Vedic Knowledge has gotten out of balance, since it's supposed

to apply to all people's householder and renunciate, alike.

 

As a result of this misinterpretation of the Vedic Scriptures, Maharishi

say's that the practical

benefits of TM and all other branches of Ved, have been lost, and the

people's of India, and

throughout the World, have remained in suffering.

 

When I was in India in 1988, attending a course on Ayurved, I got a chance

to study with Maharishi and this is where I first got introduced to Jyotish

and especially Maharishi's 'take' on Vedic Astrology.

 

Having progressed for many years in the Maharishi approach to natural,

effortless meditation, I was very happy to see Maharishi finally put his

unique perspective towards Jyotish.

 

In fact there were 5 or 6 things that he said, which I then, came back to

the states and began studying Jyotish, with.

 

One of these was his statement: "Don't take your chart's like they're

written in stone. They're just the state of Physiology at birth."

 

I've thought a lot about even this one statement and realize it's at the

very heart of what I call the more 'true' or Consciousness approach to Vedic

Astrology.

 

Now, I understand that the Jyotish in the past has not emphasized the

'transformative' side to life, or to Jyotish and part of the reason for this

is the deterioration of the belief that it's possible

to meditate, easily and develop the mind.

 

Now, as this true breakthrough in human consciousness has been

re-discovered, this more progressive, and transformative aspect of Jyotish

is now more clear.

 

Part of this has still been there. You could go to a quote, 'traditional'

Jyotishee, and after analysing your chart, Jyotish remedies would be given.

 

But, even as recently as 1988, wheneven you'd pick up any book on Jyotish,

there would be 195 pages on the various Understandings of the Jyotish, and

then, at the end, almost tacked on like an aside, would be 5 final pages on

Jyotish remedies.

 

Over the years' I realized this % might be very incorrect. Later I thought

more like 50/50% would be better. Now, I believe that 70/30 is even better.

 

In fact it takes very little time to figure out the person's problems or

malefics, and therefore more and more time can now, be spent (even as much

as 70%), towards the improvement and

transformation of the person's malefics, into their true benefic status.

 

Maharishi says that the field of consciousness is a field of all

possibilities, and the extent to which one has alighned oneself to that pure

consciousness, one can develop the ability to do anything, and accomplish

everything.

 

Maharishi, himself is a great example of this 'renewal' of Vedic Wisdom.

 

He started his TM movement in the mid 50's and now, over 50 years later,

he's saying that the "Descent of Heaven", is now begun, descending to Earth.

 

Right now, he's organizing many thousands of Vedic pundits, in India to do

whole, huge, yaguas

to help facilitate this great possibility, so we'll just have to see.

 

 

My own, take and slant on Jyotish, is deeply rooted in my transformative

experiences in Consciousness.

 

I don't think of it as being a Westernized rendition of Jyotish, but rather

a better insight into the true Jyotish or AStrology which is out there, and

in-here.

 

That's why I like this concept of Nature's Astrology, because Nature,

herself, seems to be true, Vedic and Western a like.

 

Or maybe it's just the same Astrology, which is interpreted slighly

differently due to the different perspectives of Westerners and Easterners!

 

Though a time may be coming where the twain of East & West, may truely join,

and that will be a great day.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

Breif Commentary: Mu/Mark

 

 

Hello Mu, Mark and All,

 

First I'm very sorry that today I have very little time for writing on

forums. But I'll very briefly give my thoughts on today's exchange between

Mu'Min and Mark.

 

What Mu'Min says of Jyotish (referred to as 'Vedic' astrology) is basically

correct. India's astrology has always dealt with traditional astrological

rules and facts. Client questions do have to deal with 'love, money, and

health.'

 

The astrology that Mark uses on this site is not the traditional astrology

of India. It is western metaphysical thought applied in the sidereal

zodiac. There is nothing wrong with that as long as that astrology isn't

called 'Jyotish' or 'Vedic.'

 

As for Maharishi, many question his personal spiritual development. I

mention this as an aside, suggessting that his teachings and opinions

shouldn't necessarily have any connection to astrology as used by

practitioners.

 

The bottom line today is that all astrology, both east and west, is in

transition. Many of India's traditional astrological teachings are being

ignored. Some are found not to work. Some work beautifully. For good or

ill, India's tradition is being greatly diluted by the teachings and

practices of western astrologers who have learned something of Jyotish.

 

A temporary answer is for each astrologer to be out front about what they

are doing. In Mark's case it should be noted that he isn't practicing

traditional Indian astrology. He has taken the philosophy of Marhishi and

combined it with his own perspective and invented a type of 'metaphysical

counseling.' Thus he should be billed as a 'metahphysical counselor' who

uses the planets in the sidereal zodiac.

 

Mu'Min apparently practices the traditional astrology of India. Mu'Min then

would be a 'traditional Indian astrologer.'

 

For our enlightenment on this forum, it would be very interesting for us to

study the charts of both Mark and Mu'Min. I believe the birth data of both

is public. Can each of you please re-post your birth data here?

 

If I find time, I'll study the two posts from Mu'Min and Mark with more

attention and perhaps comment further. This post is a quick once-over that

has had to fit between today's obligations.

 

Blessings,

Therese

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mark,

 

The work you are doing is great. Whatever anyone might say, it is

obvious that so many people are benefitting by your advice and

comments. Maybe it is your "teacher" aspect that the others do not

understand rather than the "astrologer" part. I know of some people

who studied Jyotish(here in India) and talk just like you - that the

purpose of Jyotish is self improvement and how to grow. And not just

the "fate" and predictive part. Also, I feel that only those people

can say something negative about some else's Guru, who themselves

havn't been fortunate enough of receiving a Guru's Grace. I hope you

will continue to guide us all, for many many years to come.

 

Thanks,

MS

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Therese:

>

> Nice to hear from you. As I've listed before my birth data is

Sept. 4, 1951

> at 11:17am

> Kansas City, MO. Libra rising, Jyotish system.

>

>

> One last thing I'll say. Indian Vedic Knowledge including Jyotish

has been

> very ineffectual,

> especially in India for a long time. That's not to say there isn't

> tremendous potential

> and benefits in isolated pockets but as a whole, not living up to

the vision

> of possibilities

> according to Vedic Wisdom.

>

> Having taught meditation for a long time, I can vouch for the fact,

that the

> technique and practice of Transcendental Meditation, as taught by

Maharishi

> Mahesh Yogi, is very unique

> and new to India, as well as the west.

>

> Japa, mantra meditation is not new, however, the way that TM, is

understood

> both as a technique and as a Philosophy is unique and extremely new.

>

> Like that, I've looked into the nature, of so-called Traditional

Astrology

> or Jyotish and found

> much there that's also wrapped up in that old view, of Vedic

understanding.

>

> Maharishi himself, as said that Vedic Knowledge 'traditionally'

goes throuch

> cycles of freshness

> and loss of knowledge. Then, at various times, that knowledge is

revived

> and made more

> practical.

>

> Anyone who would like to read more about this, could pick up a copy

of

> Maharishi's translation of the Bhagavad Gita, available most places.

>

> In there, Maharishi talks about how the technique of the effortless

and

> natural technique of TM has been known in the past but gotten lost

at times.

>

> Maharishi also goes into great detail about how part of the problem

is

> because individuals of the sannyasi or renunciate side of life,

have gotten

> into the habit of honoring this as superior to the householder path.

>

> As a result, Vedic Knowledge has gotten out of balance, since it's

supposed

> to apply to all people's householder and renunciate, alike.

>

> As a result of this misinterpretation of the Vedic Scriptures,

Maharishi

> say's that the practical

> benefits of TM and all other branches of Ved, have been lost, and

the

> people's of India, and

> throughout the World, have remained in suffering.

>

> When I was in India in 1988, attending a course on Ayurved, I got a

chance

> to study with Maharishi and this is where I first got introduced to

Jyotish

> and especially Maharishi's 'take' on Vedic Astrology.

>

> Having progressed for many years in the Maharishi approach to

natural,

> effortless meditation, I was very happy to see Maharishi finally

put his

> unique perspective towards Jyotish.

>

> In fact there were 5 or 6 things that he said, which I then, came

back to

> the states and began studying Jyotish, with.

>

> One of these was his statement: "Don't take your chart's like

they're

> written in stone. They're just the state of Physiology at birth."

>

> I've thought a lot about even this one statement and realize it's

at the

> very heart of what I call the more 'true' or Consciousness approach

to Vedic

> Astrology.

>

> Now, I understand that the Jyotish in the past has not emphasized

the

> 'transformative' side to life, or to Jyotish and part of the reason

for this

> is the deterioration of the belief that it's possible

> to meditate, easily and develop the mind.

>

> Now, as this true breakthrough in human consciousness has been

> re-discovered, this more progressive, and transformative aspect of

Jyotish

> is now more clear.

>

> Part of this has still been there. You could go to a

quote, 'traditional'

> Jyotishee, and after analysing your chart, Jyotish remedies would

be given.

>

> But, even as recently as 1988, wheneven you'd pick up any book on

Jyotish,

> there would be 195 pages on the various Understandings of the

Jyotish, and

> then, at the end, almost tacked on like an aside, would be 5 final

pages on

> Jyotish remedies.

>

> Over the years' I realized this % might be very incorrect. Later I

thought

> more like 50/50% would be better. Now, I believe that 70/30 is

even better.

>

> In fact it takes very little time to figure out the person's

problems or

> malefics, and therefore more and more time can now, be spent (even

as much

> as 70%), towards the improvement and

> transformation of the person's malefics, into their true benefic

status.

>

> Maharishi says that the field of consciousness is a field of all

> possibilities, and the extent to which one has alighned oneself to

that pure

> consciousness, one can develop the ability to do anything, and

accomplish

> everything.

>

> Maharishi, himself is a great example of this 'renewal' of Vedic

Wisdom.

>

> He started his TM movement in the mid 50's and now, over 50 years

later,

> he's saying that the "Descent of Heaven", is now begun, descending

to Earth.

>

> Right now, he's organizing many thousands of Vedic pundits, in

India to do

> whole, huge, yaguas

> to help facilitate this great possibility, so we'll just have to

see.

>

>

> My own, take and slant on Jyotish, is deeply rooted in my

transformative

> experiences in Consciousness.

>

> I don't think of it as being a Westernized rendition of Jyotish,

but rather

> a better insight into the true Jyotish or AStrology which is out

there, and

> in-here.

>

> That's why I like this concept of Nature's Astrology, because

Nature,

> herself, seems to be true, Vedic and Western a like.

>

> Or maybe it's just the same Astrology, which is interpreted slighly

> differently due to the different perspectives of Westerners and

Easterners!

>

> Though a time may be coming where the twain of East & West, may

truely join,

> and that will be a great day.

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> Breif Commentary: Mu/Mark

>

>

> Hello Mu, Mark and All,

>

> First I'm very sorry that today I have very little time for writing

on

> forums. But I'll very briefly give my thoughts on today's exchange

between

> Mu'Min and Mark.

>

> What Mu'Min says of Jyotish (referred to as 'Vedic' astrology) is

basically

> correct. India's astrology has always dealt with traditional

astrological

> rules and facts. Client questions do have to deal with 'love,

money, and

> health.'

>

> The astrology that Mark uses on this site is not the traditional

astrology

> of India. It is western metaphysical thought applied in the sidereal

> zodiac. There is nothing wrong with that as long as that astrology

isn't

> called 'Jyotish' or 'Vedic.'

>

> As for Maharishi, many question his personal spiritual development.

I

> mention this as an aside, suggessting that his teachings and

opinions

> shouldn't necessarily have any connection to astrology as used by

> practitioners.

>

> The bottom line today is that all astrology, both east and west, is

in

> transition. Many of India's traditional astrological teachings are

being

> ignored. Some are found not to work. Some work beautifully. For

good or

> ill, India's tradition is being greatly diluted by the teachings and

> practices of western astrologers who have learned something of

Jyotish.

>

> A temporary answer is for each astrologer to be out front about

what they

> are doing. In Mark's case it should be noted that he isn't

practicing

> traditional Indian astrology. He has taken the philosophy of

Marhishi and

> combined it with his own perspective and invented a type

of 'metaphysical

> counseling.' Thus he should be billed as a 'metahphysical

counselor' who

> uses the planets in the sidereal zodiac.

>

> Mu'Min apparently practices the traditional astrology of India.

Mu'Min then

> would be a 'traditional Indian astrologer.'

>

> For our enlightenment on this forum, it would be very interesting

for us to

> study the charts of both Mark and Mu'Min. I believe the birth data

of both

> is public. Can each of you please re-post your birth data here?

>

> If I find time, I'll study the two posts from Mu'Min and Mark with

more

> attention and perhaps comment further. This post is a quick once-

over that

> has had to fit between today's obligations.

>

> Blessings,

> Therese

>

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