2-Nilay, re..... What is it freedom or predictions? ! > Mark Kincaid..... 4/28

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Dear Mark

Your thoughts on how remedial measures has brought me

to a long standing confusion in my mind & I thought

that I should post it.

 

We often say that astrology is not a fatalistic

science and that It gives us a insight into our

future such that we can then take remedial mesures to

avoid or mitigate the negative things that might

happen.

Then on the other hand many authors give examples of

peoples horoscopes in theirr books & show how each &

every aspect of life can be explained through

astrology.

 

See my confusion?

 

Nilay....

 

 

Dear Nilay:

 

You bring up a very important and significant question re.

Jyotish&Astrology.

 

First of all I'd like to say, this question speaks to the very heart of

Astrology and life.

 

We know today, that there's something called destiny. We can call it karma,

or as you sow,

so shall you reap. Modern scientists even believe in it, though they call

it the Science of Genetics. In other words, there's much about people's

live's that seems to be traceable back to a bunch of 'conditionings',

whether it's red hair like our Grandfather, to a fiery disposition like Aunt

Hilda.

 

In Westerners, we don't take assume then that there's no freedom or freedom

of choice. It's the way we're wired I think. But as a result of our

'belief' we seem to be able to take much better advantage for

self-transformation, in this life. There's this saying in America which

says: "any young person can grow up to be President." In other words, the

potential is often for all.

 

So, let's agree that there's freedom and conditionings. Unfortunately, for

most our 'conditionings' rule us.

 

But, your examples of the live's of great saints and seers, is a good

example for us. Their live's of deep inner awakening has an effect to

'change' the normal flow of their karmas.

 

Take meditation, for example. It's become very popular nowadays, and with

this great inner technique we're finding that many physical and mental

problems can be solved.

 

Though it may be said that even this possiblity of expansion of

consciousness may be in the Stars, as well.

 

I'll tell you a story that might help give insight into this deep issue.

 

When I was in India in 1988, one of the Vedic Scholars, there, was asked by

the Jyotishees. "We're confused. Many of the people who are meditating,

are not following their charts?" "What do you mean?" The Pundit said. "In

the past whenever we've done people's Charts, we could predict exactly what

would happen. Whether they were 10, 30 or 60 we could predict what subjects

in school they would do. We could also predict what kinds of careers they'd

enter. Also, how many children and what they'd look like. But, your

meditators, they're not following their charts?"

 

"This is because they've learned to change their stars!"

 

 

I've thought about this story for many years, now, since then, and now, I

realize that freedom and conditionings go together;.....in life, as in

Astrology.

 

Normally, for most people, we do seem to not only go thorugh predictable

events, but we are, body type and physical characteristics, are very much

like our charts.

 

However, there is an area within, the deeper we go at illuminating and

unfolding our inner awareness, where conditionings of no kind exist!

 

Then, the more we develop this inner consciousness, the more life become's

more free of stresses, mental conditionings, and even 'fate'.

 

In the future we'll realize, I believe, that freedom and conditionings both,

exist.

 

But, because it's been very difficult to imagine how both of these,

completely opposite qualities could co-exist, then people generally line up

for believing in fate, or conditionings.

 

But as you said, if life has a freedom aspect to it, how can predictions be

made?

 

And viceversa, if predictions can be made, then how can freedom exist?

 

We might consider that freedom, and conditionings, exist simultaneously on a

scale.

 

At the deepest level of the mind, and of life, exists, eternal freedom,

unbounded awareness, the living presence of the Self, of the Universe.

 

All, human beings then, have that inner essence as the most inner quality of

our beings.

 

However, most of us, don't know that inner light or being. Therefore we're

more 'relative', and are as if, bound up in the relative realities,

including predicatable conditionings.

 

But, as we awaken to this inner possibility of life, that that one area that

knows no conditionings, then, our life begins to exhibit the unmistakable

signs of growing freedom.

 

In modern science, which has been saying for decades, that life has a very

powerful predictable element to it; recently, in the area of quantum

physics, it has been discovered, that the most subtle aspect of relative

existence is dominated by 'uncertainties'. You many have heard of the

Heisenberg Uncertainty principle. It says in essence, that no atom can be

ultimately predicted, in either it's speed or position.

 

This 'uncertainty' principle has had a powerful influence upon modern

science, though for most situations and aspects of life and science, regular

'conditionings' continue to dominate.

 

Finally, in terms of being able to change the malefics in our charts, this

may be due to the possibility of finding more and more freedom, in life; or

in may be just part of the relative, possibilities, of the conditional life.

 

To, me, this is not as important as realizing that our chart's malefics, are

not just symbolic of our problems, and challenges, but..... they're also

symbolic of our possibilities for growth, tranformation and change.

 

Nice talking with you.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

And finally, you said:

 

Also another aspect is that when somebody takes

remidial measures to minimise the negative effects

isnt he diverting from the life path that the

horoscope shows & then how will we be able to asertain

the nature of his life when looking back at it.

 

 

If it's possible to use remedial measures to improve our lives..

 

Either it's also in the nature of life, to make such changes, or it's in

life's possibilities,

to grow beyond, the negative influences of our past.

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

 

 

Astrologer

Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved

m.kincaid

641 472-0000.

 

 

 

 

 

Nilay Dembi <ndembi2000

vedic astrology

Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:51:43 -0700 (PDT)

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Re: [vedic astrology] Become Your Own Best Astrologer! 4/27

> Mark Kincaid.....

 

 

Dear Mark

Your thoughts on how remedial measures has brought me

to a long standing confusion in my mind & I thought

that I should post it.

 

We often say that astrology is not a fatalistic

science and that It gives us a insight into our

future such that we can then take remedial mesures to

avoid or mitigate the negative things that might

happen.

Then on the other hand many authors give examples of

peoples horoscopes in thier books & show how each &

every aspect of life can be explained through

astrology.

OK I agree in case of normal people it is fine but I

have seen some authors explaining the lives of people

like paramhamsa yogananda, ramkrishna paramhamsa etc

through thier horoscopes. How can we explain the lives

of such people through thier horoscopes (specially the

later parts) when they are already spritually

enlightened enough to trace a course of life on free

will.

How can we see through horoscope when a yogi will

decide to take samadhi or are we clubbing samadhi &

death in case of astrology.

 

Also another aspect is that when somebody takes

remidial measures to minimise the negative effects

isnt he diverting from the life path that the

horoscope shows & then how will we be able to asertain

the nature of his life when looking back at it.

 

I hope someone can clear this confusion of mine.

 

regards

 

Nilay

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Become Your Own Best

> Astrologer!

>

>

>

> A friend of mine mentioned to me the other day, that

> it's recently

> been projected that the "4th most in-demand, job, in

> the future, will

> be Astrologers."

>

> I laughed when I heard that. I think it might be

> true!

> Certainly it's been my experience that becoming a

> professional Astrologer,

> is the best thing I've ever done. I used to be a

> Meditation teacher, which

> I loved a lot. However, when I discovered

> Astrology, I found an even more

> comprehensive knowledge that actually incorporates

> every aspect of life.

>

> See, not everyone's ready for, quote: 'meditation',

> or a spiritual life.

> Most

> people just want to become a greater success, in

> this life!

>

> Well, Astrology understands that and has in fact,

> very insightful things

> to say for any individual that wants to become more

> of a success in life.

>

> All of us, in these Astrology 'groups' are learning

> such amazing things re-

> lated to Astrology and life.

>

> #1, the symbolisms of Astrology, 'fit'! In fact,

> there's a very precise

> 1to1

> Correspondence between all the details of our live's

> and our Astrological

> charts.

> This is what's underlying all our questions and

> answers, and what it means

> to have the Moon in the 3rd house, with Mars &

> Venus. Or, why am I so

> unconventionally creative? Or, why do I have so

> many accidents? Or, why

> am I attracted to engineering? Or, why do I have

> tensions with my Mother,

> but not my Father? Or, why do I ......?

>

> For every conceivable question; there's a clear and

> precise Astrological

> reason!

>

> This fact, alone, is why Astrology has continued for

> all these centuries.

> It Works!

>

> Each one of us, however, needs to know this.

>

> In the past, it was enough to just go to a

> professional Astrologer, whenever

> we

> had questions, or problems in our life. Now,

> millions of individuals are

> wanting

> to know their own Astrology, for themselves!

>

> In this spirit I am starting a new , that

> will be totally focused

> on

> learning each and every aspect of our Astrology. It

> will be primarily

> Jyotish, or

> Eastern Astrology, based, though many of the best

> ideas of Western

> Astrology,

> including the possibility that our Astrology is also

> about our futures, and

> latent

> opportunities, in life, will also be discussed.

>

> #2 This leads me to my second point. Astrology

> traditionally has been

> about

> one's 'fate' or pre-determinism. In other words, it

> was based very strongly

> in the

> feeling that this life, that our Astrology charts,

> are mostly about the

> things that 'will' happen.

>

> I remember when I first started studying Jyotish way

> back in 1988. Every

> book you'd pick up would have approximately 195

> pages on the Astrology, or

> how

> our charts fit us. And, then, at the very end, 5

> pages on something called

> Remedial

> Measures. Almost like an afterthought, I thought,

> tacked on at the end.

>

> Even back then, I thought this percentage was very

> imbalanced. Perhaps it

> was

> because of my strong, meditative background. Even

> in 1988, I'd already been

> meditating for over 18 years and growing in all the

> values of profound

> self-improvement.

>

> So, the idea of Jyotish remedial measures, of course

> made sense. Over the

> years,

> however, I realized the % was all wrong. Eventually

> I realized it should be

> more like,

> 50/50! It's not enough to just intellectually

> 'understand' why we're the

> way we are.

> The nature of human life, includes the fact that we

> want to grow. We want

> to improve

> ourselves, and accomplish certain things, which are

> really about the

> 'transformative'

> side to life. 2% is not nearly enough!

>

> Now, many years later, I realize even spending 50%

> of your time, discovering

> why

> we're the way we are, is not really necessary. Now

> I understand one needs

> to spend,

> only as much time, figuring out the 'whys' of

> Astrology; till one desires

> the ability to

> change.

>

> Today, I constantly run into people, who after just

> one conversation about

> how their

> Saturn or Mars, or Rahu, is causing their problems;

> then say: "Okay!, What

> can I do

> to improve my Saturn!" Maybe it should be more like

> 30/70%. Spend 30% of

> your time

> figuring out 'why' and then spend 70% of one's time

> and energy, in improving

> the

> malefics, in our charts!

>

> Whatever the percentage, the age of self-improvement

> is upon us, and

> Astrology can

> lead the way. However, Astrology needs to stop

> becoming so wrapped up in

> 'fate' and

> pre-destiny, and begin focusing on transformation

> and self-development.

>

> It's really what we're here to do. We're not here,

> to just go through the

> motions, and

> live our lives, from a level of puppet,

> pre-determinism. No! We're meant

> to grow.

> We're meant to evolve. The fascinating thing is, we

> can still choose, to

> evolve more slowly.

> But, the 'choice' is up to us!

>

> #2 Therefore the second most important aspect of

> Jyotish and Astrology is

> self-improvement.

> I like the word transformation because some say that

> Jyotish/Astrology rules

> the 8th house.

> And some like to describe the 8th house, not as

> fate, or death, or 'fixed'

> qualities, like obsessions,

> and addictions. Some call the 8th house, the house

> of transformation!

>

>

> Look at the United State's chart. Several very

> important planets in the 8th

> house of

> self-transformation. And, if there was any quality

> that has dominated the

> life of America;

> it's been self-improvement.

>

> In the early days it was progressing, rapidly across

> the plains of America.

> Later that thirst to grow, became more internalized

> and

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