Being non-vegiterian creates problem in Mosha....

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Yes you are to the point as hinduism starts with ahimsa parmodharma,

 

 

~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst wrote:

 

hello members..

 

since a topic of moksha is been discussed i would like to ask that

being a non-vegiterian person.

killing animals and having eggs.meat.beef etc..gives a next birth to

pay for the curse of killing animal.

 

I think killing of animals creates a biggest curse and will never lead

to moksha..

since these are included in some religion also.

 

Enlighten this topic.

 

Thanks

 

Tarun............

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Tarun

You have raised a nice topic. I will not comment upon the curses or

the results of any person's actions as they are in the hands of the God.

 

To sustain our bodies we need nourishment. In gaining this nourishment

we should try and disturb the least of the nature. Therefore, many

rishis prefer only fruits. As by taking the fruit, and throwing the

seed they help in propogation of the species of that plant while

nourishing themselves

 

Next level of destruction are leaves. It is now known through "Primary

Cell Perception" that plants feel "hurt" and respond to pain when

their leaves are snatched away. However the expression of pain is less

than that of an animal when it is killed. Moreover the plant can grow

leaves again.

 

In this way, we do harm each time when we take nourishment but try to

contain it.

 

By killing animals we kill something that is more conscious of its

pain and hence it should be avoided.

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst>

wrote:

>

> hello members..

>

> since a topic of moksha is been discussed i would like to ask that

> being a non-vegiterian person.

> killing animals and having eggs.meat.beef etc..gives a next birth to

> pay for the curse of killing animal.

>

> I think killing of animals creates a biggest curse and will never lead

> to moksha..

> since these are included in some religion also.

>

> Enlighten this topic.

>

> Thanks

>

> Tarun............

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

This is an interesting topic to research. In the present world being

vegetarian or non-vegetarian has become relative. To prolong shelf life or

to enhance the flavor, manufacturers do use enzymes derived from animal

source or animal organs. This can be found in vegetarian items like cheese,

canned food, processed ready made dishes. Vegetarians who consume multi

vitamins and minerals, if they read the label, some name brands use gelatin

which is made from animal source. Some of the presciption medications are

derived from animal source.

My point is even if we become vegetarians to attain moksha, we end up eating

food that contains ingredients derived from animal source.

 

RR

 

>"natalcharts_biz" <natalcharts_biz

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>Tarun

>You have raised a nice topic. I will not comment upon the curses or

>the results of any person's actions as they are in the hands of the God.

>

>To sustain our bodies we need nourishment. In gaining this nourishment

>we should try and disturb the least of the nature. Therefore, many

>rishis prefer only fruits. As by taking the fruit, and throwing the

>seed they help in propogation of the species of that plant while

>nourishing themselves

>

>Next level of destruction are leaves. It is now known through "Primary

>Cell Perception" that plants feel "hurt" and respond to pain when

>their leaves are snatched away. However the expression of pain is less

>than that of an animal when it is killed. Moreover the plant can grow

>leaves again.

>

>In this way, we do harm each time when we take nourishment but try to

>contain it.

>

>By killing animals we kill something that is more conscious of its

>pain and hence it should be avoided.

>

>Regards

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>, "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst>

>wrote:

> >

> > hello members..

> >

> > since a topic of moksha is been discussed i would like to ask that

> > being a non-vegiterian person.

> > killing animals and having eggs.meat.beef etc..gives a next birth to

> > pay for the curse of killing animal.

> >

> > I think killing of animals creates a biggest curse and will never lead

> > to moksha..

> > since these are included in some religion also.

> >

> > Enlighten this topic.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Tarun............

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What you do in the dream should have no consequence to your waking.

Brahmarsi Vishwamitra not only ate flesh but killed many human beings

and yet attained moksha.

 

Like one sage said : "It may take a lifetime to open one's eyes but

sight happens in a flash".

 

When the desire for moksha comes all other desires burn away.

 

This does not mean that everyone starts killing everyone!! Immature

minds can think that I am sanctioning killings. If we explain the

above, despite all involvements with the ragas and dweshas, when the

desire for Moksha comes...all else just drops away.

 

After that you do not have a choice. Killing anything would

mean...harming oneself. The entirety seems to be Shakti. Like a

nurturing mother. How can you harm it? How can you hate it? Such

feelings dissolve away.

 

Therefore, Moksha is not dependent upon killings or non killings.

Killings and non killing is dependent upon in whose heart the desire

for Moksha has arisen.

 

These are my views. I leave the group to share their views too.

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

, "rama r" <rr62555@h...> wrote:

> Dear Members,

> This is an interesting topic to research. In the present world being

> vegetarian or non-vegetarian has become relative. To prolong shelf

life or

> to enhance the flavor, manufacturers do use enzymes derived from animal

> source or animal organs. This can be found in vegetarian items like

cheese,

> canned food, processed ready made dishes. Vegetarians who consume multi

> vitamins and minerals, if they read the label, some name brands use

gelatin

> which is made from animal source. Some of the presciption

medications are

> derived from animal source.

> My point is even if we become vegetarians to attain moksha, we end

up eating

> food that contains ingredients derived from animal source.

>

> RR

>

> >"natalcharts_biz" <natalcharts_biz>

> >

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> >Tarun

> >You have raised a nice topic. I will not comment upon the curses or

> >the results of any person's actions as they are in the hands of the

God.

> >

> >To sustain our bodies we need nourishment. In gaining this nourishment

> >we should try and disturb the least of the nature. Therefore, many

> >rishis prefer only fruits. As by taking the fruit, and throwing the

> >seed they help in propogation of the species of that plant while

> >nourishing themselves

> >

> >Next level of destruction are leaves. It is now known through "Primary

> >Cell Perception" that plants feel "hurt" and respond to pain when

> >their leaves are snatched away. However the expression of pain is less

> >than that of an animal when it is killed. Moreover the plant can grow

> >leaves again.

> >

> >In this way, we do harm each time when we take nourishment but try to

> >contain it.

> >

> >By killing animals we kill something that is more conscious of its

> >pain and hence it should be avoided.

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >, "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > hello members..

> > >

> > > since a topic of moksha is been discussed i would like to ask that

> > > being a non-vegiterian person.

> > > killing animals and having eggs.meat.beef etc..gives a next birth to

> > > pay for the curse of killing animal.

> > >

> > > I think killing of animals creates a biggest curse and will

never lead

> > > to moksha..

> > > since these are included in some religion also.

> > >

> > > Enlighten this topic.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Tarun............

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

I would like to add one thing more ..that jupiter in 12 is considered

good for moksha but on the sameplace the person is said to be

characterless. may be ...is it possible..

 

There are many parameters like the past karmas ....abt which i asked

in the forum but no one was able to reply abt that question..(how can

we judge abt pastlife) this is a question which is verry typical to

answer by any astrologer ...may be.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Tarun...

 

 

, "natalcharts_biz"

<natalcharts_biz> wrote:

> What you do in the dream should have no consequence to your waking.

> Brahmarsi Vishwamitra not only ate flesh but killed many human

beings

> and yet attained moksha.

>

> Like one sage said : "It may take a lifetime to open one's eyes but

> sight happens in a flash".

>

> When the desire for moksha comes all other desires burn away.

>

> This does not mean that everyone starts killing everyone!! Immature

> minds can think that I am sanctioning killings. If we explain the

> above, despite all involvements with the ragas and dweshas, when the

> desire for Moksha comes...all else just drops away.

>

> After that you do not have a choice. Killing anything would

> mean...harming oneself. The entirety seems to be Shakti. Like a

> nurturing mother. How can you harm it? How can you hate it? Such

> feelings dissolve away.

>

> Therefore, Moksha is not dependent upon killings or non killings.

> Killings and non killing is dependent upon in whose heart the desire

> for Moksha has arisen.

>

> These are my views. I leave the group to share their views too.

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

>

> , "rama r" <rr62555@h...>

wrote:

> > Dear Members,

> > This is an interesting topic to research. In the present world

being

> > vegetarian or non-vegetarian has become relative. To prolong shelf

> life or

> > to enhance the flavor, manufacturers do use enzymes derived from

animal

> > source or animal organs. This can be found in vegetarian items

like

> cheese,

> > canned food, processed ready made dishes. Vegetarians who consume

multi

> > vitamins and minerals, if they read the label, some name brands

use

> gelatin

> > which is made from animal source. Some of the presciption

> medications are

> > derived from animal source.

> > My point is even if we become vegetarians to attain moksha, we end

> up eating

> > food that contains ingredients derived from animal source.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > >"natalcharts_biz" <natalcharts_biz>

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: Being non-vegiterian creates problem in

Mosha....

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> > >Tarun

> > >You have raised a nice topic. I will not comment upon the curses

or

> > >the results of any person's actions as they are in the hands of

the

> God.

> > >

> > >To sustain our bodies we need nourishment. In gaining this

nourishment

> > >we should try and disturb the least of the nature. Therefore,

many

> > >rishis prefer only fruits. As by taking the fruit, and throwing

the

> > >seed they help in propogation of the species of that plant while

> > >nourishing themselves

> > >

> > >Next level of destruction are leaves. It is now known

through "Primary

> > >Cell Perception" that plants feel "hurt" and respond to pain when

> > >their leaves are snatched away. However the expression of pain

is less

> > >than that of an animal when it is killed. Moreover the plant can

grow

> > >leaves again.

> > >

> > >In this way, we do harm each time when we take nourishment but

try to

> > >contain it.

> > >

> > >By killing animals we kill something that is more conscious of

its

> > >pain and hence it should be avoided.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >, "~ Tarun ~"

<tarun_vst>

> > >wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hello members..

> > > >

> > > > since a topic of moksha is been discussed i would like to ask

that

> > > > being a non-vegiterian person.

> > > > killing animals and having eggs.meat.beef etc..gives a next

birth to

> > > > pay for the curse of killing animal.

> > > >

> > > > I think killing of animals creates a biggest curse and will

> never lead

> > > > to moksha..

> > > > since these are included in some religion also.

> > > >

> > > > Enlighten this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Tarun............

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Please seriously consider that something as significant as moksha

cannot be possibly determined or defined by a label such as "Jupiter

in 12th". Even something as circumscribed and possibly less

significant as one's vocation cannot be judged reliably from what is

in 10th house or where the lord of 10th is. How can something so

final as moksha be determined by one planet in a particular house?

 

Jupiter stays in a sign for nearly a whole year. It would be too

simple if each time the next sign to the current transit is rising,

it would bring in a pious soul just waiting for the divine ship to

sail in! I find that very difficult to believe.

 

By the same token, I find it hard to believe that all meat-eaters go

to hell, naturally and just like that and all vegetarians do not!

Sometimes we may not be 'just' what we eat!

 

RR

 

 

, "~ Tarun ~" <tarun_vst>

wrote:

> Dear Members,

>

> I would like to add one thing more ..that jupiter in 12 is

considered

> good for moksha but on the sameplace the person is said to be

> characterless. may be ...is it possible..

>

> There are many parameters like the past karmas ....abt which i

asked

> in the forum but no one was able to reply abt that question..(how

can

> we judge abt pastlife) this is a question which is verry typical to

> answer by any astrologer ...may be.

>

> Thanks and regards

>

> Tarun...

>

>

> , "natalcharts_biz"

> <natalcharts_biz> wrote:

> > What you do in the dream should have no consequence to your

waking.

> > Brahmarsi Vishwamitra not only ate flesh but killed many human

> beings

> > and yet attained moksha.

> >

> > Like one sage said : "It may take a lifetime to open one's eyes

but

> > sight happens in a flash".

> >

> > When the desire for moksha comes all other desires burn away.

> >

> > This does not mean that everyone starts killing everyone!!

Immature

> > minds can think that I am sanctioning killings. If we explain the

> > above, despite all involvements with the ragas and dweshas, when

the

> > desire for Moksha comes...all else just drops away.

> >

> > After that you do not have a choice. Killing anything would

> > mean...harming oneself. The entirety seems to be Shakti. Like a

> > nurturing mother. How can you harm it? How can you hate it? Such

> > feelings dissolve away.

> >

> > Therefore, Moksha is not dependent upon killings or non killings.

> > Killings and non killing is dependent upon in whose heart the

desire

> > for Moksha has arisen.

> >

> > These are my views. I leave the group to share their views too.

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> >

> > , "rama r" <rr62555@h...>

> wrote:

> > > Dear Members,

> > > This is an interesting topic to research. In the present world

> being

> > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian has become relative. To prolong

shelf

> > life or

> > > to enhance the flavor, manufacturers do use enzymes derived

from

> animal

> > > source or animal organs. This can be found in vegetarian items

> like

> > cheese,

> > > canned food, processed ready made dishes. Vegetarians who

consume

> multi

> > > vitamins and minerals, if they read the label, some name brands

> use

> > gelatin

> > > which is made from animal source. Some of the presciption

> > medications are

> > > derived from animal source.

> > > My point is even if we become vegetarians to attain moksha, we

end

> > up eating

> > > food that contains ingredients derived from animal source.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > >"natalcharts_biz" <natalcharts_biz>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: Being non-vegiterian creates problem in

> Mosha....

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> > > >Tarun

> > > >You have raised a nice topic. I will not comment upon the

curses

> or

> > > >the results of any person's actions as they are in the hands

of

> the

> > God.

> > > >

> > > >To sustain our bodies we need nourishment. In gaining this

> nourishment

> > > >we should try and disturb the least of the nature. Therefore,

> many

> > > >rishis prefer only fruits. As by taking the fruit, and

throwing

> the

> > > >seed they help in propogation of the species of that plant

while

> > > >nourishing themselves

> > > >

> > > >Next level of destruction are leaves. It is now known

> through "Primary

> > > >Cell Perception" that plants feel "hurt" and respond to pain

when

> > > >their leaves are snatched away. However the expression of pain

> is less

> > > >than that of an animal when it is killed. Moreover the plant

can

> grow

> > > >leaves again.

> > > >

> > > >In this way, we do harm each time when we take nourishment but

> try to

> > > >contain it.

> > > >

> > > >By killing animals we kill something that is more conscious of

> its

> > > >pain and hence it should be avoided.

> > > >

> > > >Regards

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >, "~ Tarun ~"

> <tarun_vst>

> > > >wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > hello members..

> > > > >

> > > > > since a topic of moksha is been discussed i would like to

ask

> that

> > > > > being a non-vegiterian person.

> > > > > killing animals and having eggs.meat.beef etc..gives a next

> birth to

> > > > > pay for the curse of killing animal.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think killing of animals creates a biggest curse and will

> > never lead

> > > > > to moksha..

> > > > > since these are included in some religion also.

> > > > >

> > > > > Enlighten this topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun............

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >