2-Sbrahmanyam, re...Wonderful discussion regarding Jyotish transformations.

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Hello,

I dont think we are supposed to make malefics stronger

U are supposed to make them weaker cos a malefic is always going to

try n harm

Make ur benefics stronger instead

 

 

, Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>

wrote:

> Dear Mark,

>

> So, how exactly do we go about strengthening our malefics?

> ........

>

>

> Dear Subrahmanyam:

>

> See below:

>

>

>

> subrahmanyam <konqueror3k>

> JoeTischResearchProject

> Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:21:10 -0700 (PDT)

> JoeTischResearchProject

> Re: [JoeTischResearchProject] Re: 2-Sbrahmanyam, re... My

intro. >

> Mark K.

>

>

> Dear Mark,

>

> So, how exactly do we go about strengthening them?

> I will put forward my understanding based on your

> mails in the vedic-astro group.

> Please correct me.

>

> 1) Any particular "maleficness" or "beneficness" in

> our charts, tends to "show itself" as an instinct in

> ourselves.

>

> Well said. We can also say that the maleficness that's in our

> charts....also....

> stands for mistaken notions of bad habits, as well as inclinations, and

> thought patterns.

>

>

> 2) So, "maleficness" of a planet is actually the

> "maleficness" of our instinct in matters relating to

> that planet.

>

> Yes, yes! But don't forget these 'intincts' of ours.... in essence,

> represent those areas within us

> that we're meant to change and grow within.

>

> Instinct doesn't mean forever, it just means tendency, or quality or

> characteristic...

>

> The benefics on the other hand stand for the qualities, tendencies and

> characteristics that we have,

> that are balanced or in-tune with Nature.

>

>

>

> 3) By observing and learning which "instincts" of ours

> are actually the ones leading to trouble, we can get

> an insight into which "planets" are responsible for

> it.Ofcourse, astro principles will tell us the same.

>

> yes yes... However, Astrology principles don't tell us 'how' to

change our

> malefics,...

>

> Traditionally Astrology says these are our benefics and these our

> malefics...

>

> But, I've realized there's an essential wisdom to gaining this better,

> Jyotish discrimination...

> regarding which of our 'instincts' are benefic and which one's malefic.

>

>

> 4) So, observing the malefic traits, and trying to

> control them is the obvious way out of trouble.

>

> Yes, this is one good insight. However, there's also the possibility of

> radically improving and even,

> changeing our so-called 'bad' instincts....into their better, or benefic

> counter-selves!

>

>

>

> Ok, now where does astrology fit in?

> Surely we dont need to know astrology to observe

> ourselves and "know" where the problem is.

>

> Astrology is really just that, another name for life itself.

>

> Whether someone understand their 'Astrology' or not, they're still

living

> the realities, of having

> strengths and weaknesses, inside...

>

> The key to Life!

>

> is...that we learn how to transform ourselves into our more healthy,

higher,

> or benefic Self!

>

> Astrology, just improves our ability to do this.

>

> It can be done without Astrology, but it's generally a lot harder....

>

> With Astrology, and the clarity of mind and the certaintly that

comes when

> you realize that your insights and conclusions,...are verified by the

> realities of your chart...

>

> only goes to strengthen one's ability to change and improve.

>

>

>

> My understanding is that, our instincts do change over

> time, and gets reflected in the transits etc. So,

> knowing them "beforehand" gives us a "look ahead" into

> what we can expect, and be prepared.

> Is this correct?

>

> Our instincts can improve over time, but they don't improve

miraculously by

> themselves...

>

> They improve because we want to improve them.

>

> They improve because we have the will to change, to improve, and create

> greater success.

>

> Someone once said: "Knowledge is the greatest purifier."

>

> I love this quote, because it's been my experience that as I've

grown in the

> increasing knowledge

> and wisdom of Jyotish, it's had an amazing exprience on improving

each and

> every aspect of my life!

>

>

> In my case, i have observed some trends that get me

> into trouble.Lack of patience is my enemy !

> However, i have a hard time trying to change my

> "instinct"s,

> ("instinct" is afterall "instinct").

>

> You're right, generally it's found to be fairly difficult to change our

> instincts, sometimes.

>

>

> I am conscious of my "shortcomings", but some where

> deep down, i dont want to change them !

>

> But, you said it perfectly, here!

>

> It is because, 'somewhere deep' inside, we don't want to change...

>

> However, it's actually that somewhere inside, we grew to believe

that our

> present course, or actions, is the best thing we can do to pursue our

> desires.

>

> However, when we start to get a glimmer, as you said above regarding

> 'impatience'.... that...

>

> that very instinct might itself, be the real problem!

>

> Then, when you get that idea, then things will begin to change!

>

>

>

> I consider it as the beauty of "humanness", to have

> both sides, and not be "perfect".

> I dont know why this is the case !

>

> I think I know what you mean, but it's also our humanness to grow

towards

> more and more...

>

> Perfection may be a concept that's too big to consider at this

point, but I

> think most will agree,

> it's at least possible to improve and get better and better....

>

> That, after all, is the real essence of human life!, to grow,....to

improve

> and to succeed....

>

> It's the challenge and the path, that attracts us, and that

.....we're on....

>

> It's the lack of ability or wisdom as to exactly 'how' to do this,

that's at

> the real heart of all our

> misries, and sufferings....

>

>

>

> Now, am i unhappy?

> I am at times. But ever since i have realised that

> gains/losses (happiness/sadness) are just a "feeling"

> of the mind, life has become much happier(in the

> conventional sense).

>

> And 'that' changeing attitude that you've encountered, which by the

way is a

> very good Saturn insight! hehhe, is part of the reason why greater

happiness

> is beginning to come to you!

>

>

>

>

> Please correct me and add more to this line of

> thought, if you wish.

>

> Wonderful converstation.... One of the best I've had in a long time.

>

> I love the Philosophy of Jyotish transformation...

>

> It's at the very heart of my and Nature's Jyotish/Astrology....

>

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

> Subra.

>

> Ciao

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

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--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

>

> > Dear Subrahmanyam:

> >

> > Learning how to improve ourselves through the

> > special perspectives of

> > Jyotish, is one of the

> > greatest things I've experienced in this life.

> >

> > First step is learning to 'feel' the realities of

> > our charts.

> >

> > Once you get to a point where you can say: "my

> > chart fits me"!, then,

> > we can really begin the process of Jyotish

> > transformation.

> >

> > See below:

> >

> >

> > > subrahmanyam <konqueror3k>

> > > Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:38:27 -0700 (PDT)

> > > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>

> > > Re: 2-Sbrahmanyam, re... My intro. > Mark

> > K.

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > My details:

> > >

> > > DOB: 24th June 1984 (too young?)

> > > TOB: 13:15 (not rectified.+/- 5min error, hospital

> > > record)

> > > time Zone: GMT+0530 (IST)

> > > no daylight savings etc.

> > > POB: Guntur, India

> > > 80E27 , 16N18

> > >

> > > Virgo rising. Asc: 25Vi00

> > >

> > > Some past trends:

> > >

> > > 1)Been outstanding in academics all through until

> > 2001

> > > 2)2001 aug- 2003 mid, very very lethargic, spent

> > time

> > > thinking, thinking abt life and existence of GOD,

> > > which has changed my outlook forever.

> > > 3)2003-2004.. lots of health issues.. some virus

> > or

> > > the other

> > > 4) Got job offer in july 2004.

> > >

> > > best time of my life: 98 jan to 2001 april.

> > > It was very good.

> > >

> > > General characteristics:

> > > -----------------------

> > > 1)I am usually at extremes. no middle ground.

> > > too passionate or too lethargic.

> >

> > ((Personally, I think this is due to your Mars &

> > Saturn, being together,...

> > in the same house/sign.))

> >

> >

> > > 2)Very unskilled in social relations (forming or

> > > maintaining)

> >

> > ((Interesting way in which you said this.

> >

> > The situation of Venus being so close to the Sun, in

> > your chart, I think,

> > expresses this 'confusion'....

> >

> > Venus is the planet of relationships and when Venus

> > is combust, it can

> > represent

> > such an experience...))

> >

> >

> > > 3)very close to family.

> >

> > This may be due to Jupiter being in Sagittarius in

> > your 4th house...

> > And, from there, Jupiter aspects Moon, which

> > represents mother...too...

> >

> > > 4)NEVER get what i wish for really.

> >

> > This is definitely Mars & Saturn, the two planets

> > that determine

> > fulfillments of desire.

> > being too close together....

> >

> > However, i get

> > > lucky a lot of times on things i dont give much

> > > importance to.

> >

> > 'Luckiness', is definitely a Jupiter quality!

> >

> >

> > > 5)Usually have something or the other on my mind

> > that

> > > bothers me.

> >

> > When you listen to the words we use, or the thoughts

> > we have, you can 'hear'

> > the

> > specific Planets being expressed!

> >

> > 'something or other, on my mind,...that bothers

> > me'...

> >

> > is so classic Moonish.

> >

> > Moon represents the mind, and Moon's in the 8th

> > house,

> > and Moon, there, is being fully aspecting 7 houses

> > away or by Mars &

> > Saturn...

> >

> > So, their confusion, or tension, directly aspects

> > your Moon, or mind....!

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I believe it is Mars+Saturn® in 2nd and Moon in

> > > Marana karaka sthana, with Saturn aspect which

> > explain

> > > a lot of features.

> >

> > Voila! you're right....

> >

> >

> > > I have been trying to read through Mark's mails on

> > > Vedic-Astro group and understand the effects of

> > the

> > > malefic planets and how to "read" their

> > maleficness

> > > and act accordingly(control them).

> > > Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Once we identify the problem,.. then we can get a

> > glimmer,...into

> >

> > which planets we can strengthen, to improve those

> > areas of our lives...

> >

> > Strengthening or balancing Mars & Saturn, I think

> > would be a great area for

> > you to begin...

> >

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > Subra.

> > >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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