2-Sbrahmanyam, re...Wonderful discussion regarding Jyotish transformations..... > Mark Kincaid 4/5/

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Dear Mark,

 

So, how exactly do we go about strengthening our malefics?

.........

 

 

Dear Subrahmanyam:

 

See below:

 

 

 

subrahmanyam <konqueror3k

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Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:21:10 -0700 (PDT)

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Re: [JoeTischResearchProject] Re: 2-Sbrahmanyam, re... My intro. >

Mark K.

 

 

Dear Mark,

 

So, how exactly do we go about strengthening them?

I will put forward my understanding based on your

mails in the vedic-astro group.

Please correct me.

 

1) Any particular "maleficness" or "beneficness" in

our charts, tends to "show itself" as an instinct in

ourselves.

 

Well said. We can also say that the maleficness that's in our

charts....also....

stands for mistaken notions of bad habits, as well as inclinations, and

thought patterns.

 

 

2) So, "maleficness" of a planet is actually the

"maleficness" of our instinct in matters relating to

that planet.

 

Yes, yes! But don't forget these 'intincts' of ours.... in essence,

represent those areas within us

that we're meant to change and grow within.

 

Instinct doesn't mean forever, it just means tendency, or quality or

characteristic...

 

The benefics on the other hand stand for the qualities, tendencies and

characteristics that we have,

that are balanced or in-tune with Nature.

 

 

 

3) By observing and learning which "instincts" of ours

are actually the ones leading to trouble, we can get

an insight into which "planets" are responsible for

it.Ofcourse, astro principles will tell us the same.

 

yes yes... However, Astrology principles don't tell us 'how' to change our

malefics,...

 

Traditionally Astrology says these are our benefics and these our

malefics...

 

But, I've realized there's an essential wisdom to gaining this better,

Jyotish discrimination...

regarding which of our 'instincts' are benefic and which one's malefic.

 

 

4) So, observing the malefic traits, and trying to

control them is the obvious way out of trouble.

 

Yes, this is one good insight. However, there's also the possibility of

radically improving and even,

changeing our so-called 'bad' instincts....into their better, or benefic

counter-selves!

 

 

 

Ok, now where does astrology fit in?

Surely we dont need to know astrology to observe

ourselves and "know" where the problem is.

 

Astrology is really just that, another name for life itself.

 

Whether someone understand their 'Astrology' or not, they're still living

the realities, of having

strengths and weaknesses, inside...

 

The key to Life!

 

is...that we learn how to transform ourselves into our more healthy, higher,

or benefic Self!

 

Astrology, just improves our ability to do this.

 

It can be done without Astrology, but it's generally a lot harder....

 

With Astrology, and the clarity of mind and the certaintly that comes when

you realize that your insights and conclusions,...are verified by the

realities of your chart...

 

only goes to strengthen one's ability to change and improve.

 

 

 

My understanding is that, our instincts do change over

time, and gets reflected in the transits etc. So,

knowing them "beforehand" gives us a "look ahead" into

what we can expect, and be prepared.

Is this correct?

 

Our instincts can improve over time, but they don't improve miraculously by

themselves...

 

They improve because we want to improve them.

 

They improve because we have the will to change, to improve, and create

greater success.

 

Someone once said: "Knowledge is the greatest purifier."

 

I love this quote, because it's been my experience that as I've grown in the

increasing knowledge

and wisdom of Jyotish, it's had an amazing exprience on improving each and

every aspect of my life!

 

 

In my case, i have observed some trends that get me

into trouble.Lack of patience is my enemy !

However, i have a hard time trying to change my

"instinct"s,

("instinct" is afterall "instinct").

 

You're right, generally it's found to be fairly difficult to change our

instincts, sometimes.

 

 

I am conscious of my "shortcomings", but some where

deep down, i dont want to change them !

 

But, you said it perfectly, here!

 

It is because, 'somewhere deep' inside, we don't want to change...

 

However, it's actually that somewhere inside, we grew to believe that our

present course, or actions, is the best thing we can do to pursue our

desires.

 

However, when we start to get a glimmer, as you said above regarding

'impatience'.... that...

 

that very instinct might itself, be the real problem!

 

Then, when you get that idea, then things will begin to change!

 

 

 

I consider it as the beauty of "humanness", to have

both sides, and not be "perfect".

I dont know why this is the case !

 

I think I know what you mean, but it's also our humanness to grow towards

more and more...

 

Perfection may be a concept that's too big to consider at this point, but I

think most will agree,

it's at least possible to improve and get better and better....

 

That, after all, is the real essence of human life!, to grow,....to improve

and to succeed....

 

It's the challenge and the path, that attracts us, and that ....we're on....

 

It's the lack of ability or wisdom as to exactly 'how' to do this, that's at

the real heart of all our

misries, and sufferings....

 

 

 

Now, am i unhappy?

I am at times. But ever since i have realised that

gains/losses (happiness/sadness) are just a "feeling"

of the mind, life has become much happier(in the

conventional sense).

 

And 'that' changeing attitude that you've encountered, which by the way is a

very good Saturn insight! hehhe, is part of the reason why greater happiness

is beginning to come to you!

 

 

 

 

Please correct me and add more to this line of

thought, if you wish.

 

Wonderful converstation.... One of the best I've had in a long time.

 

I love the Philosophy of Jyotish transformation...

 

It's at the very heart of my and Nature's Jyotish/Astrology....

 

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Subra.

 

Ciao

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

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--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear Subrahmanyam:

>

> Learning how to improve ourselves through the

> special perspectives of

> Jyotish, is one of the

> greatest things I've experienced in this life.

>

> First step is learning to 'feel' the realities of

> our charts.

>

> Once you get to a point where you can say: "my

> chart fits me"!, then,

> we can really begin the process of Jyotish

> transformation.

>

> See below:

>

>

> > subrahmanyam <konqueror3k

> > Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:38:27 -0700 (PDT)

> > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> > Re: 2-Sbrahmanyam, re... My intro. > Mark

> K.

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > My details:

> >

> > DOB: 24th June 1984 (too young?)

> > TOB: 13:15 (not rectified.+/- 5min error, hospital

> > record)

> > time Zone: GMT+0530 (IST)

> > no daylight savings etc.

> > POB: Guntur, India

> > 80E27 , 16N18

> >

> > Virgo rising. Asc: 25Vi00

> >

> > Some past trends:

> >

> > 1)Been outstanding in academics all through until

> 2001

> > 2)2001 aug- 2003 mid, very very lethargic, spent

> time

> > thinking, thinking abt life and existence of GOD,

> > which has changed my outlook forever.

> > 3)2003-2004.. lots of health issues.. some virus

> or

> > the other

> > 4) Got job offer in july 2004.

> >

> > best time of my life: 98 jan to 2001 april.

> > It was very good.

> >

> > General characteristics:

> > -----------------------

> > 1)I am usually at extremes. no middle ground.

> > too passionate or too lethargic.

>

> ((Personally, I think this is due to your Mars &

> Saturn, being together,...

> in the same house/sign.))

>

>

> > 2)Very unskilled in social relations (forming or

> > maintaining)

>

> ((Interesting way in which you said this.

>

> The situation of Venus being so close to the Sun, in

> your chart, I think,

> expresses this 'confusion'....

>

> Venus is the planet of relationships and when Venus

> is combust, it can

> represent

> such an experience...))

>

>

> > 3)very close to family.

>

> This may be due to Jupiter being in Sagittarius in

> your 4th house...

> And, from there, Jupiter aspects Moon, which

> represents mother...too...

>

> > 4)NEVER get what i wish for really.

>

> This is definitely Mars & Saturn, the two planets

> that determine

> fulfillments of desire.

> being too close together....

>

> However, i get

> > lucky a lot of times on things i dont give much

> > importance to.

>

> 'Luckiness', is definitely a Jupiter quality!

>

>

> > 5)Usually have something or the other on my mind

> that

> > bothers me.

>

> When you listen to the words we use, or the thoughts

> we have, you can 'hear'

> the

> specific Planets being expressed!

>

> 'something or other, on my mind,...that bothers

> me'...

>

> is so classic Moonish.

>

> Moon represents the mind, and Moon's in the 8th

> house,

> and Moon, there, is being fully aspecting 7 houses

> away or by Mars &

> Saturn...

>

> So, their confusion, or tension, directly aspects

> your Moon, or mind....!

>

>

>

> >

> > I believe it is Mars+Saturn® in 2nd and Moon in

> > Marana karaka sthana, with Saturn aspect which

> explain

> > a lot of features.

>

> Voila! you're right....

>

>

> > I have been trying to read through Mark's mails on

> > Vedic-Astro group and understand the effects of

> the

> > malefic planets and how to "read" their

> maleficness

> > and act accordingly(control them).

> > Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Once we identify the problem,.. then we can get a

> glimmer,...into

>

> which planets we can strengthen, to improve those

> areas of our lives...

>

> Strengthening or balancing Mars & Saturn, I think

> would be a great area for

> you to begin...

>

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Subra.

> >

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

> >

> >

> >

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