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Mark,I would like to offer a candidate for your research in the area of

delays frustrations....

 

 

Dear Ast:

 

Would be happy to have you in our study.

Check out this other , to register there too.

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In addition we can correspond this way.

 

One of the areas I'm trying to document are frustrations and delays.

 

As this is a very common experience for millions of people, however, for

Jyotish, it's easily understandable.

 

However, though many people can figure out generally, which Saturn influence

is going on that's responsible for this problem, however, I'm also

interested in trying to document, various remedial measures, that will

strengthen, or neutralize Saturn's maleficness.

 

See below:..

 

 

 

as T <ast77us

 

Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:11:28 +0000 (GMT)

 

Re: 2-All, re. Jyotish/Astrological experienes, & Research for

my Jyotish Book, > Mark Kincaid....3/16...

 

 

Mark,

I would like to offer a candidate for your research in the area of delays

frustrations

An senior executive who gained a lot of credibility in his area of expertise

with a double masters and a PHd and an MBA ( all from well known

universities abroad) is going through terrible frustrations. The head

hunters who used to offer him very lucrative jobs are not even approaching

him. He wanted to start his own business and he could not get VC's to invest

for him in his business, and stated his consultancy firm and ended up in a

legal nuisance as he not only cheated him but also threw false allegations

against him. Every thing possible is going wrong. A man who had an

excellent foresight and had the ability to bail himself out of any situation

sits helpless at times like his hands are tied up. A house he wanted to

build is delayed. A profession/business he wanted to start is also delayed

and lagging behind by 4 years , as soon as his sade sathi started . This man

had many good yogas like gajakesari yoga etc., I don't know what happened to

all of them now. His frustrations are

many both in his personal life and career wise.

 

All of your very well articulated frustrations sound a lot like Saturn, to

me!

 

What I've been researching however, is that life is not just about

punishment.

 

Sure, karma exists and we're going through the consequences of our actions

all the time.

 

But, when 'we' reflect upon life, life doesn't just want to punish us, life

also wants us to

learn.

 

For me, having a bit of an accident prone nature, when I finally realized,

through the help of Jyotish, that me and my Mars were the real cause of my

slightly impulsiveness, then, when I learned to go at a more appropriate

speed; .... immediately things improved!

 

That inspired me to look into whether all the malefic situations in our

charts, aren't also, about transformation and improving our lives.

 

Saturn malefic realities are the most frustrating and common occurances for

most people, nowadays and it's quite fascinating to try and figure out what

Saturn's meanings, for us!

 

A profession/business he wanted to start is also delayed and lagging behind

by 4 years , as soon as his sade sathi started

 

I think you've partially intellectually understood the question.

 

You have a Gemini, rising, yes?

 

Well the last 2 1/2 years were the time during Sade Sat, where Saturn,

itself, was transiting exactly over your Moon.

 

His mother also does not talk to him or invite him home although she stays

in the same town.

 

Therefore, it doesn't sound surprising that there would be this 'distance'

between yourself

and your Mother, as well.

 

Also,... these last 4 or 5 years, were a time, in the outer World, where

Jupiter & Saturn collided and we had a world wide recessions.

 

As a result, millions of people lost their jobs, trillions of dollars were

lost in stock marktets all over the world, too.

 

Now, finally, Jupiter's beginning to move ahead of Saturn far enough ahead

that over the next 5 --7 years, Jupiter will begin it's next expansion

period!

 

Starting in Sept. Jupiter will move into Libra, where it will stop being

negatively aspected by Saturn for the first time in almost 5 years!

 

Thinks should improve for yourself, due to this, but also, in May Saturn

which is right now, back in Gemini, as well, (where your Moon is), will

then, move into Cancer, which will be quite a bit, 'lighter' then, when in

Gemini.

 

I want to end with some thoughts with Saturn, in general.

 

Now, after many, many years of studying Jyotish and especially Saturn. I

was born in sade sat, in my chart, having Moon & Saturn in the same, 12th

house, if you can imagine.

 

Now, I believe that Saturn, too, like my experience with Mars, is also just

another aspect of Nature trying to teach us about something.

 

Saturn, therefore, is about, becoming more in-tune with the quiet, still,

silent aspect of life.

 

Life is not always about activity, and outer things, going on.

 

Life also has an inner quality, which is just as important as the outer!

 

And, when we venture into that more hidden realm, we'll find that

immediately, Saturn begins to quiet down.

 

I learned meditation many years ago, after a very depressive, sad, lonely

kind of early life, (all very Moon & Saturnish, esp. in the 12th house), and

immediately I started feeling better.

 

But, it wasn't until I started understanding my Jyotish, that I learned,

that I could also increase my attunement with Saturn, himself.

 

Now, even though I'm still in my Saturn, Mahadasa, but, I've turned this

normally very depressively long period for me, into the most joyous period

of my life.

 

The key with Saturn, is....simply....

 

to put in Christian terms,...."not my will, oh, lord, but thy will be done!"

 

Saturn is about surrendering, and surrendering what?, means figuring out how

we're a part of a much greater whole, like the World and it's cycles, and

once we discover this, then, life can become smoother.

 

Saturn is also about developing our inner awareness.

 

Saturn is not just about struggling, but it's rather about the 'time', to

literally develop the inner.

 

I'd not have suggested that you think about starting your own business if I

had known your chart, and saw your sade sat, coming up.

 

During Saturn times, either of dasa periods, or transits, I find that Saturn

is appeased, the best, by letting go, and making yourself available, to

develop your inner resources.

 

Therefore, I'm going to make a suggestion here for you, .....

 

Instead of fighting or resisting this 'quality' of delays and

frustrations...

 

let go of the sense of wanting to move in those areas, now, but put your

attention on being still, and developing the inner side of yourself.

 

We have 2 choices.... we can continue wishing and hopeing and doing, to

accomplish,...or

we can enliven our inner sense, of 'doing' through doing less and less.

 

Those who don't get enough sleep at night have similar experiences of

frustrations and delays.

 

But, immediately when they're inspired or figure out, to get more sleep,

then, immediately their frustrations can dimminish!

 

Like that, we can do things to enliven, our inner, silent quality, and doing

that, see, if the outer, doesn't become easier!

 

For that, I prescribe 2 things.

 

#1, meditation. Meditation is a time honored practice for literally

enlivening the 'outer' by enlivening the inner. I, too have been practicing

meditation for over 30 years now, and have found ennumerable positive

results! (I've been practicing transcendental mediation, which I've

heard is available, all over India, too)

 

#2, I recomend, that you study for a month or two, the transits, and their

natural cycles that are going on.

 

I've also discovered as I've learned these various cycles and discovered

especially how to be more in-tune with them, this also dramatically improved

my Saturn experience.

 

Start with the Moon cycle. Watch the Moon for a few months, see if you, be

more in-tune with the Moon! As the Moon Waxes, like now, enjoy more outer

activity, but not to strain. Then, when the Moon starts to wane, notice how

more inward this feels. This Waxing and Waning, of the Moon, is really a

cycle of rest and activity.

 

When I've learned to run my affairs around this most basic cycle, I've

discovered the greatest benefits!

 

After you master this cycle, then, paying attention to the other cycles,

especially Saturn's transits, once you learn also how to be more in-tune

with these energies, you'll discover, really, a very refined sensibility

with Nature, that's totally amazing!

 

This growing attunement, absolutely strengthens Saturn, within ourselves,

and as a result, you'll find things going more easily.

 

We can pay attention for the next couple of months, and see if these

suggestions don't help your situation.

 

The key is, however, you have to really open yourself up, to doing things in

a new Saturn way.

 

If you do this, and innocently, allow Saturn and life, to show you this new

way, then, you can, totally turn around your experience.

 

I'll be happy to help, as much as I can, and together, we can document a

really important feature of Jyotish/life, which I know is vital for not only

ourselves, but millions of other people, who regularly go through such

frustrating experiences.

 

His DOB 19th NOV 1948

Place of Birth: Achanta or palakollu

Time:9.47 AM

Mrigasira nakhatram , Midhuna Rasi

Thank You

AST

 

Thank you, for your participation.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

> Dear Friends:

>

> I'm writing to you regarding research I'm doing for

> my Jyotish book.

>

> Presently, this morning, I'm writing about several

> subjects....

>

> If any of you are having experiences along these

> lines, I'd love to talk to

> you...

>

> #1 Dreams... I've been noticing a very interesting

> correlation between my

> dreams... and what's going on in the Stars,

> specifically the Transits, and

> my....chart...

>

> If anyone else, is having vivid, dreams, especially

> one's that you can

> recall, and you'd like to

> analyse them in terms of your chart...

>

> Please let me know....

>

> #2....Delays, Frustrations...

>

> Another quality that I'm seeing a lot in people,

> right now, which is

> probably due to Saturn's retrograde motion,.... is

> feeling frustrations....

>

> If anyone's feeling 'frustrations',....either in

> personal life....or

> career.... health....etc...

>

> Again, feel free to contact me...

>

>

> For all those who help me, and contribute with my

> 'writings', I'll be

> compensating with some Free Jyotish....

>

> The Next...area I'll be researching,....is how we

> can improve

> ourselves,....through improving our Planets...

>

>

> Thank you!

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mark,

It looks like today is not my day! I spent an hour composing a mail to you

taking point by point only to lose it later and spent another half hour trying

to find it with no luck. Decided to do it all over again.I don't know if I get

the same flow of thoughts again. Talk about frustrations!! Looks like it is not

only Sani, but Rahu can pretty much act like Sani and create same frustrations,

as I am running Rahu dasa, I can vouch for this.

 

Any way. Mark , thanks a lot for a detailed and insightful mail. I would like

to add and supplement with few coments , insights and experiences which can

strengthen or fortify some of the sentiments and thoughts you expressed. I share

your thoughts on many topics there, and can vouch for them with my experience.

I will go point by point highlighting my answers, and if they are of some use

for the research , I would be satisfied that the time is well spent ( inspite of

the mishaps I had !)

 

 

(I don't know how the above box got inserted pl. ignore it. while trying to

remove it ,I am afraid I may lose my mail again)

 

What I've been researching however, is that life is not just about punishment.

True

 

Sure, karma exists and we're going through the consequences of our actions all

the time.

I agree.

 

But, when 'we' reflect upon life, life doesn't just want to punish us, life also

wants us to learn.

I agree again. when I see things with a bigger picture, I realise this. I would

not have explored so much astrology , karma, destiny had I not undergone the

trying times. In order to explore "cause and effect" for the meaningless

happenings in life, I started dwelling into all these sciences and as well as

spiritualism. And when I explored deeply, I have realised that I have a

spiritual path waiting for me ( as per my chart). I would not have learnt to

explore this unless I am driven by a reason.

For me, having a bit of an accident prone nature, when I finally realized,

through the help of Jyotish, that me and my Mars were the real cause of my

slightly impulsiveness, then, when I learned to go at a more appropriate

speed; .... immediately things improved!

 

Yeah, right again, but with respect to the chart of this person I presented to

you ,still we are exploring the reasons and ways to improve the situation. No

doubt it comes from sanchita karma here , as this gentleman was a true gentleman

in every sense, and obviously paying his dues from his past. But he is also

accepting without resistence or bitterness( or atleast seems like it)

 

That inspired me to look into whether all the malefic situations in our

charts, aren't also, about transformation and improving our lives.

I do see some transformation interms of spiritual growth/outlook in this chart,

if we can call that as improvement in life!

 

Saturn malefic realities are the most frustrating and common occurances for most

people, nowadays and it's quite fascinating to try and figure out what

Saturn's meanings, for us!

That can give us peace of mind.

 

A profession/business he wanted to start is also delayed and lagging behind

by 4 years , as soon as his sade sathi started

 

I think you've partially intellectually understood the question.

 

You have a Gemini, rising, yes?

 

Well the last 2 1/2 years were the time during Sade Sat, where Saturn,

itself, was transiting exactly over your Moon.

 

His mother also does not talk to him or invite him home although she stays in

the same town.

 

Therefore, it doesn't sound surprising that there would be this 'distance'

between yourself and your Mother, as well.

 

Also,... these last 4 or 5 years, were a time, in the outer World, where

Jupiter & Saturn collided and we had a world wide recessions.

 

As a result, millions of people lost their jobs, trillions of dollars were

lost in stock marktets all over the world, too.

 

Now, finally, Jupiter's beginning to move ahead of Saturn far enough ahead

that over the next 5 --7 years, Jupiter will begin it's next expansion period!

 

Starting in Sept. Jupiter will move into Libra, where it will stop being

negatively aspected by Saturn for the first time in almost 5 years!

 

Thinks should improve for yourself, due to this, but also, in May Saturn

which is right now, back in Gemini, as well, (where your Moon is), will

then, move into Cancer, which will be quite a bit, 'lighter' then, when in

Gemini.

We need hope to survive !! This definitely gives hope.

I want to end with some thoughts with Saturn, in general.

 

Now, after many, many years of studying Jyotish and especially Saturn. I

was born in sade sat, in my chart, having Moon & Saturn in the same, 12th

house, if you can imagine.

 

Now, I believe that Saturn, too, like my experience with Mars, is also just

another aspect of Nature trying to teach us about something.

 

Saturn, therefore, is about, becoming more in-tune with the quiet, still,silent

aspect of life.

 

Life is not always about activity, and outer things, going on.

 

Life also has an inner quality, which is just as important as the outer!

I agree with this philosophy.

And, when we venture into that more hidden realm, we'll find that

immediately, Saturn begins to quiet down.

we are yet to experience this.

I learned meditation many years ago, after a very depressive, sad, lonely kind

of early life, (all very Moon & Saturnish, esp. in the 12th house), and

immediately I started feeling better.

 

But, it wasn't until I started understanding my Jyotish, that I learned,that I

could also increase my attunement with Saturn, himself.

 

Now, even though I'm still in my Saturn, Mahadasa, but, I've turned this

normally very depressively long period for me, into the most joyous period

of my life.

I am very very happy for you.

The key with Saturn, is....simply....

to put in Christian terms,...."not my will, oh, lord, but thy will be done!"

 

Saturn is about surrendering, and surrendering what?, means figuring out how

we're a part of a much greater whole, like the World and it's cycles, and once

we discover this, then, life can become smoother.

The bigger picture certainly helps.

 

Saturn is also about developing our inner awareness.

I am begining to believe this.

 

Saturn is not just about struggling, but it's rather about the 'time', to

literally develop the inner.

I can see this person with all the spiritual steps he is taking, that his

inner self is developing.

 

I'd not have suggested that you think about starting your own business if I had

known your chart, and saw your sade sat, coming up.

 

During Saturn times, either of dasa periods, or transits, I find that Saturn

is appeased, the best, by letting go, and making yourself available, to

develop your inner resources.

 

Therefore, I'm going to make a suggestion here for you, .....

 

Instead of fighting or resisting this 'quality' of delays and

frustrations...

 

let go of the sense of wanting to move in those areas, now, but put your

attention on being still, and developing the inner side of yourself.

I can see that he is in the same path, but as human as we are all, even when you

accept karma , you still aspire to do things.

We have 2 choices.... we can continue wishing and hopeing and doing, to

accomplish,...or

we can enliven our inner sense, of 'doing' through doing less and less.

 

Those who don't get enough sleep at night have similar experiences of

frustrations and delays.

He sleeps well though. A karma yogi in some sense.

 

 

Like that, we can do things to enliven, our inner, silent quality, and doing

that, see, if the outer, doesn't become easier!

I agree.

For that, I prescribe 2 things.

 

#1, meditation. Meditation is a time honored practice for literally

enlivening the 'outer' by enlivening the inner. I, too have been practicing

meditation for over 30 years now, and have found ennumerable positive

results! (I've been practicing transcendental mediation, which I've

heard is available, all over India, too)

He does not sit in meditation, but some how he does not look like he is churned

by the happenings.( atleast externally) His meditation is like sort of

philosophising things, but do you advise that he should take guided meditation

lessons through a teacher.

and

#2, I recomend, that you study for a month or two, the transits, and their

natural cycles that are going on.

I need help here as my knowledge here is inadequate.

I've also discovered as I've learned these various cycles and discovered

especially how to be more in-tune with them, this also dramatically improved

my Saturn experience.

 

Start with the Moon cycle. Watch the Moon for a few months, see if you, be

more in-tune with the Moon! As the Moon Waxes, like now, enjoy more outer

activity, but not to strain. Then, when the Moon starts to wane, notice how

more inward this feels. This Waxing and Waning, of the Moon, is really a

cycle of rest and activity.

 

When I've learned to run my affairs around this most basic cycle, I've

discovered the greatest benefits!

Does that mean that he should avoid any thing of significance during waning

moon.

After you master this cycle, then, paying attention to the other cycles,

especially Saturn's transits, once you learn also how to be more in-tune

with these energies, you'll discover, really, a very refined sensibility

with Nature, that's totally amazing!

I need to learn more about this. Intuitively I feel this is right.

This growing attunement, absolutely strengthens Saturn, within ourselves,and as

a result, you'll find things going more easily.

 

We can pay attention for the next couple of months, and see if these suggestions

don't help your situation.

 

The key is, however, you have to really open yourself up, to doing things in a

new Saturn way.

 

If you do this, and innocently, allow Saturn and life, to show you this new way,

then, you can, totally turn around your experience.

Basically what I decipher here is go with the flow.

Thanks for everything Mark, and I do wish and pray that whatever projects you

take up for the benefit of humanity, may you be blessed with success .

Regards,

AST

 

PS,

Based on my personal experience I can say that along with saturn, Rahu can also

create similar chaos in ones' life. Since I am running Rahu dasa I have many

examples to share incase you need them.

 

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WOW -- long email, you make me envious!!

*******

, as T <ast77us> wrote:

> Saturn is also about developing our inner awareness.

> I am begining to believe this.

*******

 

Tell us more about this revelation? Why Saturn alone -- you think --

can do this?

 

Inner awareness is in my experience been an atmakaraka thing! It

makes sure that things happen in one's life that make one come alive

to these things and even if they do not get immediate attention, they

stay, and they eventually get taken care of, if YOU are serious!!

 

Tell me if I am wrong and you know something about that!

 

Rohiniranjan

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Dear Rohiniranjan,

Mine was only a reply to Mark's insighful mail . what you quoted were all Marks'

wonderful insightful words. I have highlighted my answers when I was answering

point by point, but unfortunately when I sent the mail the highlights were gone,

and got merged with the text. I hope Mark can pick up my answers.

Although I believe what he says, since he is the author of the text , in all

fairness, I should let Mark take over the discussion.

Regards,

AST

PS just on one point. my obsevations are Rahu can pretty much imitate saturn's

patterns, and he can also create same troubles as one in sadesathi can under go

, hence can create inner awareness. so to answer your question why saturn alone?

Here I may be able to say " Rahu " can also be atmakaraka. I am open to

discussion here.

 

 

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

 

WOW -- long email, you make me envious!!

*******

, as T <ast77us> wrote:

> Saturn is also about developing our inner awareness.

> I am begining to believe this.

*******

 

Tell us more about this revelation? Why Saturn alone -- you think --

can do this?

 

Inner awareness is in my experience been an atmakaraka thing! It

makes sure that things happen in one's life that make one come alive

to these things and even if they do not get immediate attention, they

stay, and they eventually get taken care of, if YOU are serious!!

 

Tell me if I am wrong and you know something about that!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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