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[vedic astrology] Mark <Re: 2-Kartik, & All, re.....How malefic is

a malefic and how benefic is a

 

 

 

Dear Mark,

Sorry about the question being unclear. What I wanted to ask

was that if I try to change the way a planet affects me, in other

words, try to reduce the malefic aspect of a planet by being in sync

with its energies (the mars example that you had mentioned earlier)

it implies a change in myself thus shouldnt it be foreseen by

astrology and if so: it means that whether I change the way i live

is pre-destined.

 

Ahh, thank you. Now it's more clear. No the area of self-effort isn't so

goverened by this.

Though of course the natural question arises, if Jyotish has the ability to

see the future, why

wouldn't transformative parts be a part of that?

 

Without going into a too lengthy discussion here, we've covered many of

these points over

the last few days...

 

Suffice it to say, we need to think in terms of self-effort, as well as

lethargy as being under our control.

 

In other words, if we believe that we have no control over our lives, then

the natural result, comes, to why care?

 

However, it does matter, whether we feel we have control and a choice.

 

In Truth, the closer we get to the source of all freedom, we gain increasing

ability to make changes.

 

The more we're locked into our malefics, however, the more of a slave will

we be to the World, circumstances, or addicitons and compulsions.

 

However, power and freedom do exist, just as it was for the Lord, was he

compelled, and had no choice as to the creation!

 

I don't think so!

 

So, like that, the more inner, unboundedness, we develop, then, then more

power in fulfilling our lives, results...

 

 

ciao

 

Mark Kincaid

 

I hope this is more clear.

Regards,

Kartik

 

vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Kartik:

>

> I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

> What do you mean when you say: "Isn't it a contradiction of free

will?"

>

> Please ask your question again.

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> "amoebabhu" <amoebabhu>

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> Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:37:46 -0000

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> [vedic astrology] Mark < Re: 2-Kartik, & All, re.....How

malefic is

> a malefic and how benefic is a

>

>

>

> Dear Mark,

> That was very well thought out and fantastically

> expressed.Thanks for the time! But, then as with all answers come

> more questions :-). I have one question :

> 1. Free will : You mentioned getting more in sync with planetary

> needs (my own words describibg what you said, please correct me if

I

> am wrong) and thus reducing any malefic aspect they might have.

> Since, this would have a strong effect on the native on many levels

> wouldnt it be possible to see this happening in his chart( If so

> isnt it a contradiction of free will?). I am pretty sure 'the free

> will' issue has been raised before but I decided to go ahead and

ask

> again (sorry!).

> Regards,

> Kartik

>

> vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > I have some questions.

> >

> > 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> > dusthana?

> > 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

> in

> > a dusthana?

> > 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> > consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> > (Libra).

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> > dusthana?

> > 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

> in

> > a dusthana?

> > 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> > consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> > (Libra).

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Kartik:

> >

> > You bring up some very good questions.

> >

> > Jyotish, of course, has all these great rules.

> >

> > However, the fact that there are so many exceptions too,

sometimes

> is

> > confusing.

> >

> > I especially notice that when a Planet whether, a so-called

> natural malefic,

> > like Saturn,

> > or a functional malefic because it's ruling the so-called malefic

> > houses;...is, in it's Own

> > Sign, or Exalted, it behaves so much more positively, then

normally

> > described.

> >

> > For example, when Saturn is Exalted, it reflects so much more of

> it's

> > benefic side.

> >

> > Even when Saturn's in it's own Signs, it's much more positive.

In

> such

> > cases a person

> > may be less impulsive, and more mature, and calmer, more settled

> within, all

> > qualities

> > indicative of a more 'wise' person.

> >

> > These kinds of experiences leads us to realize that maleficness

is

> a

> > relative term.

> >

> > I was contemplating this whole issue one time, when I came across

> this

> > passage in Parashara.

> > Parashara, considered by many to be the founder of Jyotish, says

> in one of

> > his earliest chapters: "In the beginning Lord Vishnu, entered

into

> the

> > grahas to bestow upon his devotees, the consequences of their

> actions."

> >

> > When I read this I realized....none of the planets are 'really'

> malefic.

> > How could they be, if the Lord, is the inner light, or being,

> inside each

> > planet. Then, I started realizing that if 'all' planets

> > can be benefic, then, 'maleficness', is a term best used to

> describe the

> > planet when it's out of

> > balance, or out of it's truer, benefic nature.

> >

> > This of course, can happen even if a planet is the natural ruler

> of say the

> > 3rd, 6th, 8th or 12th houses, the so-called malefic houses.

> >

> > I've noticed quite often those people who have these Lords of the

> > 3rd,6th,8thor 12th houses, in especially poor or again, these

same

> 6th, 8th

> > or 12th houses... negative results can be the consequence.

> >

> > Malefic effects can also result even if a planet is a natural

> benefic, but

> > in one of the negative, or so-called malefic houses.

> >

> > Other times, the natual benefics, are found acting more

> malefically, because

> > they're ruling these malefic houses, and not, in especially

> positive signs.

> >

> > Your question: 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a

> yogakaraka

> > in a

> > dusthana?

> >

> > is a perfect example of the problem. A natual malefic, like

let's

> say,

> > Saturn, being a yogakaraka for a particular sign,... in a

dusthana

> house,

> > can represent some lessening of

> > benefic greatness due to it's yogakaraka nature.

> >

> > Take Saturn for Taurus or Libra rising individuals. It's a

natual

> malefic,

> > so to speak, being Saturn, but because it's the yogakaraka for

> these rising

> > signs; then, it is considered as a functional benefic because of

> it's house

> > rulership. This yogakaraness is because the planet

> > simultaneously rules two of the most important houses. In the

> case of Libra

> > this rulership, is of the 4th & 5th houses, and for Taurians,

> because Saturn

> > simultaneously rules the 9th & 10th.

> >

> > But, even though Saturn's the natual yogakaraka, being in one of

> the

> > dusthana, or so-called,

> > weaker houses, is meant to be a symbolism, so that we understand

> some of the

> > subtleties, of Saturn's karma for this individual.

> >

> > Therefore, probably the effect will be less positive, in those

> dusthana

> > houses.

> >

> > However, and here's another exception, in the case of Taurus

> Rising, if

> > Saturn is in the 6th house, where Libra and it's sign of

> Exaltation is,

> > then, the individual may experience the very best of it's

> functionally

> > beneficness.

> >

> > This person might be a healer, or have very profound health.

> Again, This

> > can be 1) because Sani's yogakaraka, and ruling the all-important

> 9th & 10th

> > houses, for this Taurus rising indiv. but most importantly, being

> Exalted

> > will give very positive results.

> >

> > Your second question: 2. How would you regard a natural benefic,

> but lord

> > of dusthana's in

> > a dusthana?

> >

> > Let's take Jupiter for example, though a natual benefic, but for

a

> Libra

> > rising, Jupiter rules the so-called more malefic houses, 3rd,

> 6th. Now,

> > even if that benefic is a so-called functional malefic for Libra

> Rising

> > individuals; if that natural benefic is in it's Own sign, in the

> case of the

> > Libra Rising, then, that natural beneficness, even if in the

> dusthana

> > houses, will be very positive.

> >

> > But, if it's in a dustana, like the 11th house, which is not a

> Sign, that

> > Jupiter owns, then, the karma tends to be of those so-called

> negative

> > houses, manifesting somewheres.

> >

> > So, obviously it's a little tricky.

> >

> > Just remember a kind of hierarchy, of points...

> >

> > #1, is a Planet, whether naturally benefic or malefic.....

> >

> > Is that planet, regardless of it's so-called natural status,

> Exalted or in

> > it's Own sign?

> >

> > This is the first and most important question. If it is, then,

> it's

> > effects, regardless of where it is found, will tend to be more

> benefic.

> >

> > #2, Is a planet functioning as a benefic or malefic, depending

> upon the

> > Rising sign, or different houses, that it's ruling?

> >

> > #3, A planet can be acting positively or negatively, also at any

> time,

> > regardless of it's placement and Rising sign, lordship.

> >

> > This is a bit tricky.

> >

> > For example, I've met a number of individuals who have Exalted

> Saturn's, but

> > their Saturn's are still acting malefically, even though the

> Planet may be a

> > functional benefic or yogakaraka.

> >

> > For example, some of my clients with Saturn exalted in the first

> house,

> > though Saturn is supposed to be soooo good for Libra rising

> individuals,

> > still, can manifest very negative results, for a number of

reasons.

> >

> > Potentially, the planet could be very positive, but sometimes,

> because this

> > individual, feels soooo strong in Saturn, he/she is sometimes,

> found

> > straining, and not getting enough rest, or staying balanced, and

> as a

> > result, 'their' Saturn negative consequences can be very severe.

> >

> > This is described sometimes, as the Exalted, 'grief' of Saturn.

> However, I

> > find that the individual seems to know the Wisdoms of this

Planet,

> however,

> > for some particualar reasons, is found ignoring this natural

> strength.

> >

> > I think of this as the story of the Judge, lawyer, and the common

> citizen.

> > It's been described that if the citizen breaks the laws of the

> land, the

> > consequences will be one way. If the lawyer breaks the law, the

> punishment

> > will be even more pronounced. However, if the Judge, is found

> breaking the

> > laws, then the punishment is the most severe!

> >

> > Like this, if even a very good or Exalted Saturn, is ignored by

> the person,

> > or strained against, because of circumstances or some such thing,

> then, the

> > results can be negative.

> >

> > I find Exalted Saturn individuals, have such strong endurance,

> that they

> > find that they can initially get away with straining, but if they

> don't

> > eventually get back to that more balanced approach, then, they

can

> produce,

> > too very exalted grief!

> >

> >

> > Ultimately, I find a few questions along with a thorough

> examination of

> > their charts, will show me whether any planet is acting

> benefically or

> > malefically.

> >

> > The point, here, then, is once I've determined, especially

through

> their

> > descriptions, that any planet is found acting

> malefically,....then, the very

> > important phase of Jyotish remedies, and prescriptions come into

> play.

> >

> > Most people don't understand how powerful Jyotish is, in

> reflecting the

> > natural ability of life, to grow, to change, to even

> transform,...oneself,

> > including all negatives,.... into positives.

> >

> > This is the very nature of life, to grow, and once we discover

> which planets

> > are found, acting malefically, then, we can reflect on what we

can

> do to

> > change this maleficness into a more

> > pleasing and life-supporting beneficness.

> >

> > The key issue here is change. Malefics both naturally and

> functionally, are

> > there in life to show us, where we need to change, adapt, grow

and

> > transform.

> >

> > Because once we do this, either because we're tired of the

> negativity of

> > doing something, quote, the 'wrong' way, or whether, we gain some

> help from

> > the Wisdoms of Jyotish; regardless, but, once we do this, all

> negativities,

> > or malefic situations can be transformed!

> >

> > This is the greatest hidden secret in Jyotish, today.

> >

> > The malefics don't just represent our challenges, sufferings, and

> our

> > griefs; they also represent our opportunities for growth and

> change.

> >

> > If we're open to changeing ourselves, in any way, then, we can

> improve any

> > and all aspects of ourselves.

> >

> > So, to finally answer your original question, then?

> >

> > "How malefic is a malefic, and how benefic is a benefic?"

> >

> > All benefics, can remain benefic, and all malefics, whether

> natural or

> > functional, can be transformed, into their more highly evolved

> natural

> > beneficness!

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I'll finish with one natural, life experience.

> >

> > If in life, we're found having accidents we might find in our

> charts that

> > our Mars' is acting malefically; whether due to a natural or

> functional

> > maleficness, it doesn't matter.

> >

> > But, the point is, nature is trying to tell us something. We

have

> > accidents, not just because our Mars is acting malefically, but

> because

> > Nature is trying to show us we're doing something wrong.

> >

> > Maybe we're going too fast!

> >

> > Maybe we're rationalizing, we have to go this speed, because we

> have this

> > and that, or those very important things to do, and we can't slow

> down;

> > doesn't matter.

> >

> > But, maleficness, in this case, wrapped around Mars, is there to

> show us, we

> > need to change!

> >

> > We need to slow down, to refine our action mobility, and

> immediately, when

> > we do this, we can stop having accidents!

> >

> > It's like this really, with every planet.

> >

> > All planets represent a way in which Nature shows us, how we're

> doing with

> > that Planet.

> >

> > It's then, up to us, whether we change our ways, or continue in

> the way

> > we've been.

> >

> >

> > Jai Guru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "amoebabhu" <amoebabhu>

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> > Dear members,

> > I have some questions

> > 1. How would you regard a natural malefic but a yogakaraka in a

> > dusthana?

> > 2. How would you regard a natural benefic, but lord of dusthana's

> in

> > a dusthana?

> > 3. What would happen if both are retrograde? As an example please

> > consider Sa and Ju, both retrograde in the 12th house from lagna

> > (Libra).

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

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