Kal Sarp:Kad (Ah new age!)

March 1, 2005

Although I can see the wisdom in eventually becoming one with our

spiritual Self and realizing that first hand, I am not so sure that

most individuals that we see around us are necessarily to attain that

ultimate goal in this lifetime. It is always a wonderful dream to be

a gold medalist olympian athlete but despite the new-age pipe dream

that the followers of entities like Seth harbour, this cannot be the

fate of *all* human beings! For a good reason! If everyone was

participating in the olympic competitions, who would be watching?

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Hello ,

> I do not think we need to do 'through" but only say the efforts

being made yield fruits as per his karma.Accordingly all bhogas and

bhagyas are ensured.so the issue of

> "The aim of Jyotisha would be to guide a person

> through all the three to attain the Moksha".

> is a progressive built up to end only with moksha with out

realising as end.

> where as remedial shanti poojas are not really meant to divert from

the core purposes(of astrology) but the native is made to realise

that the powerful karma(action) is capable of adding new pursuits of

life without getting exhausted/tired.once we are able to harmonise

all bhavas we reach to the goal/aim of Astrology.It is therefore

desirable to impress that shanti poojas are not really for any

materialistic purpose but make the native understand the core of

Astrology

>

> Don't you think we remain materialistic by just getting

> a remedial Shanti pooja done?

> krishnan

>

> Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

>

> Yes dear you are right. well said.

> Inder

> , "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> > As rightly noted by many, the remedial measures are like

> medicines,

> > which may be bitter often. There are many methods to

> > make them taste sweeter or look better but the patient has to

> REALISE

> > what is that being given to him and for what. In case

> > of children, as Mrs.Srilatha says, mother makes medicine sweeter.

> But

> > when child grows to an adult with time, the person

> > must recognize that really medicine is bitter but makes the

person

> > better! But the current problem is somewhat like giving

> > medicine to any person, even when he does not show the specific

> > symptoms of a disease, which obviously is unnecessary!

> >

> > It is a well known fact that experiences in materialism(BHOGA)

> lead

> > to spiritualism(ADHYATMA) which end at salvation(MOKSHA).

> > And that is why Moksha is the 4th Purushartha after Dharma,Artha

> and

> > Kaama. The aim of Jyotisha would be to guide a person

> > through all the three to attain the Moksha. Simply, a remedy must

> > make one 'heal' himself and not to just be involved in

> > performing pooja, homa etc on larger and larger scales! If a

pooja

> or

> > homa or yantra/mantra make one 'realise' that they are

> > aids to make him HEAL himself and give him mental satisfaction,

> then

> > certainly they can be performed.

> >

> > Appearance of 'fever' must be clearly told to the patient as the

> > medicine setting the system right and any external aid is to

> > subside the 'feeling' of hotness and real medicine to root cause

> lies

> > within the person! Otherwise, whenever there is a fever,

> > not only for him but for anybody, PARACETAMOL tablet becomes the

> > remedy! Next step would be self medication as anyone can expect!

> > And THAT is what I fear as a MARAKA for the Jyotisha, keeping the

> > materialism cyclic, not gaining the escape velocity!

> >

> > yours humbly

> > KAD

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > Dear Sree Latha ji and others,

> > > What a fantastic analysis of the remedial measures.Some times

> the

> > side benifite overweigh the realities and get enticed to it and

> > forget the real cause.

> > > the desired "benefit may be acquired, but these remedies only

> make

> > the symptoms

> > > subside for a while, and not remove the root cause of the

> illness"

> > > The qucik fixes approach may atleast alla some apprehensions

but

> as

> > a real a nd true shamaan is to get the native in to basics of

> Astro

> > approaches and make him realise importance of karma.

> > > Remedy what we suggest and adivice is only to change the path

> from

> > the sweetness but to a bitter reality that can really root out

the

> > evils.

> > > The remedial approach therefore has to be made as a core

> philosophy

> > just not for the evils and bad but also for all the sweetness

> > showered on the native

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishnan Ji and Kad Ji,

> > >

> > > Your interesting converstion reminded me of a story that a

great

> > > saint - I believe it was Ramakrishna Paramahamsa - once told. A

> > > little child may be sick, but he will still refuse to take the

> > > medicine because it tastes bitter. The wise mother then mixes

> some

> > > sugar into the medicine, and the child drinks it happily for

the

> > > sweet flavor, totally oblivious to the fact that the true

> purpose

> > of

> > > the medicine is to cure his illness. Similarly, the ultimate

> > purpose

> > > of all prayers are to cure the illness of our souls, so that we

> are

> > > merged back into the Paramatma, but, silly children that we

are,

> we

> > > don't want to make that effort. So, the wise Mother gives

> worldly

> > > benefits too, to entice her children to pray to Her, even

though

> > the

> > > true value of prayer is to bestow the ultimate bliss of Moksha.

> > >

> > > The astrological remedies hold a similar value - the poojas and

> > > mantras recommended will give worldly pleasures as a side

> benefit,

> > > but the true benefit is to bring the soul to God.

> > >

> > > Of course, most of the astrologers recommend remedies other

than

> > > poojas and mantras too. When someone is a professional

> astrologer,

> > > they have to offer remedies that their clients will pay for,

and

> > > actually obtain some benefit from. A sincere astrolger will

> > probably

> > > offer the remedy of appropriate austerities, but in this day

and

> > age

> > > of quick fixes, how many clients want to implement such advice?

> > Most

> > > of them want something easier and quicker, and hence the common

> > > remedies of yantras, gemstones, paying someone to perform

poojas

> or

> > > yajnas etc. In that case, what you say is totally true - the

> > desired

> > > benefit may be acquired, but these remedies only make the

> symptoms

> > > subside for a while, and not remove the root cause of the

> illness.

> > A

> > > quick fix is like cough syrup to supress coughing for a while,

> > > whereas sincere faith is like penicillin that actually cures

the

> > lung

> > > infection that is causing the cough.

> > >

> > > V. Sreelatha

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > Dear KAD ji,

> > > > A very interesting aspect of the discussion is about:"we

> remain

> > > materialistic by just getting

> > > > a remedial Shanti pooja done? The concept of remedy is simple"

> > > > I would only like to add whether KSY or no KSY in the

> chart,the

> > > native with some spirtual approach gets less bothered about

> > planetary

> > > positions and indulges in prayers regularly and all doshas in

> the

> > > chart due to his 5th or 9th houses are addressed.The question

of

> > > materialistic approach arises in any individual if the sign

> raising

> > > is also materialistic.For this some how i feel all lagnas

> involving

> > > airy signs(ascdt/moon sign) drive the native to materialistic

> > > approaches.The order of drive is 7,3rd and 11th signs and also

> > > depends on the influence of mars.

> > > > The remedial measures if only for specific purpose of

material

> > > gains,then the roots are to be tackled.Somehow progression of

> life

> > > for anybody certainly invlove the order as already suggested

and

> > > approved by psychologists.

> > > > We as the people serving cause to society are well placed to

> > > harmonise various issues and bring realisation to the people.In

> > this

> > > regard material outlook and remedial measures as required have

> to

> > be

> > > viewed.

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ritu,

> > > > I am addressing the 'remedy astrologers' through you; so

don't

> > take

> > > > it personally.

> > > >

> > > > Surely, helping the needy is the prime factor but reason

given

> > for

> > > > his problem is much more important too!

> > > > Just imagine a physician analysing one's fever as 'due to

> cold'

> > > > or 'due to cancerous growth' or asking the patient

> > > > to undergo a number of scanning, x-ray, bone marrow test

> etc....

> > > Even

> > > > just by hearing it from a doctor, the patient

> > > > is half dead mentally! If at last he gets a high sounding

name

> > for

> > > > his ailments like -

> > 'pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis'

> > > > he is already dead, before he gets medicine or doctor's

advice!

> > > >

> > > > Same is the case with Kaalasarpa Yoga; A witty astrologer has

> to

> > > calm

> > > > down the NEEDY because he NEEDS peace of mind or

> > > > relaxation. Naming KSY with Ananta, Takshaka, KaarkoTaka...

> (which

> > > is

> > > > taught in no classical school) just makes him worry!

> > > > I am not disputing the schools of thought but about their

> > > application

> > > > in correct way and in correct area. I have great respect

> > > > for your Guru and his teachings, whoever he is but if they

are

> > > > supporting a social evil, deteriorating classical jyotisha,

> > > > they need to be checked immediately. About KSY - classical

> texts

> > > > definitely say about its effects wrt a state/ country and

> > > > NEVER for an individual and I believe in Kaliyuga atleast no

> > astro

> > > > dictum can be framed by anyone because such persons do

> > > > not exist now; those days are GONE and that is the truth.

> > Whatever

> > > a

> > > > person 're-searches' in astrology, it is just RE Searching!

> > > > All astrologers are struggling to digest the existing astro

> dicta

> > > and

> > > > apply them to get results! why should one add un-necessary

> > > > details or one's own hypothesis to the pool? Do you think it

> > helps?

> > > >

> > > > Do you think KSY etc yogas exist in a chart to get Shanti

> done?

> > > Don't

> > > > you think we remain materialistic by just getting

> > > > a remedial Shanti pooja done? The concept of remedy is

simple;

> If

> > > > there is a fever, there is something wrong with the patient

> > > > and by fever-medicine, you are not curing the root cause but

> > > > subsiding his ailments. The same fever appears after sometime!

> > > >

> > > > Hope my words have some meaning and do not become a forest-

> scream.

> > > >

> > > > yours

> > > > KAD

> > > >

> > > > , "Ritu Lalit"

> > > > <ritulalit@h...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > This was definitely taught to me by a Guru and different

> > remedies

> > > > > were also prescribed. There are so many schools of

thought,

> > some

> > > > go

> > > > > by the belief that there is no such thing as Kaal Sarp

> (which

> > is

> > > so

> > > > > difficult to swallow for people who are suffering) and some

> > which

> > > > > prescribe the most expensive of Poojas (I believe some

> poojas

> > run

> > > > up

> > > > > an expense of Rs.25000/- also !!!).

> > > > >

> > > > > As there are different schools of Jyotish, it is all a

> question

> > > of

> > > > > helping a person through his difficult time - which is I

> > believe

> > > > the

> > > > > matter of prime importance here, not the schools of thought.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ritu

> > > > >

> > > > > , "kadrudra"

> > > <kadrudra>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > > This is not to offend anybody, but to confirm the true

> facts.

> > > Can

> > > > > you

> > > > > > please give me the 'authoritative' source from which

> > > > > > you collected these 'KINDS' of KSY? Please do not tell me

> you

> > > > read

> > > > > it

> > > > > > somewhere or heard from somebody or got it from a

> > > > > > Guru you believe in. All teachings of all teachers may

not

> > > > coincide

> > > > > > but I fear KSY has no kinds, neither requires any Shanti.

> > > > > > By the way, there is no mention of even Rahu-Kethu in

many

> > > > > > classicals, especially in Yogadhyaya. I want to know

> > > the 'source'

> > > > > > from which all these Nagas slipped into KSY(Nava Naaga or

> 9

> > > > serpent

> > > > > > kings have become 12 here according number of

> bhavas!..bravo!)

> > > > > > If it is really from an authentic classical text, let us

> keep

> > > as

> > > > it

> > > > > > is! Otherwise, I am dead against dumping these astro-

> > degradable

> > > > > > material and spreading it. Already 50 % or more of

present

> > > > > > astrological idea is mixed up with these things, with an

> > excuse

> > > > > > of being mythology!(most of which are cooked up and never

> > found

> > > > in

> > > > > > text).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My humble request to all is - STOP spreading things which

> you

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > sure of or which have no authentic proof to support

itself.

> > > > > > STOP KSY becoming a social evil and save original

Jyotisha!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Eager to know the source of 12 Nagas in KSY,

> > > > > > yours

> > > > > > KAD

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Ritu Lalit"

> > > > > > <ritulalit@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had posted this article here some time back - and am

> > doing

> > > so

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu

> i.e.,

> > > the

> > > > > > > moon's north node and the moon's south node Kaalsarp

> Yoga

> > is

> > > > > > formed.

> > > > > > > Complete Kaalsarp yoga is formed only when half of the

> > chart

> > > is

> > > > > > > unoccupied by planets. Even if one planet is outside

the

> > Rahu

> > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > Axis there is no Kaalsarp Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Before you do any remedies for the Kaalsarp Yoga make

> sure

> > > that

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > planets are between Rahu and Ketu. Even if there is one

> > > planet

> > > > > > > outside the Rahu Ketu axis the Kaalsarp Yoga does not

> > exist.

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > confuse Kaalsarp yoga with Nag/Naga Dosha or Karaka

> Dosha.

> > > > > > > Type of Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu is in the first House and Ketu in the seventh

> > house

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > rest of the planets are left to this axis the Yoga

which

> > > arises

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the Anant Kalsarp Yoga. This is also called as

Vipareeta

> > > > Kaalsarp

> > > > > > > Yoga opposite Kaalsarp yoga. Though this yoga has the

> power

> > > to

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > windfall gains to the native, it is bad for marital

> life.

> > > > > Generally

> > > > > > > natives with this yoga get married late in life .

> > > > > > > Shankachood Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu occupies the ninth house and Ketu is in the

> 3rd

> > > house

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > yoga operates. Natives who have this yoga in the chart

> have

> > > > many

> > > > > > ups

> > > > > > > and down in life. They have a habit of speaking lies.

> They

> > > are

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > short tempered.

> > > > > > > Ghatak Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This yoga arises when rahu is in tenth house and ketu

in

> > the

> > > > > fourth

> > > > > > > house.Litigation problems are common is this case.

> > Punishment

> > > > by

> > > > > > law

> > > > > > > or the Government also possible. However if this yoga

> > > operates

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > beneficial manner then it has the power to confer the

> > highest

> > > > > form

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > political power ,special in Virgo and Leo ascendant.

> > > > > > > Kulik Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu occupies the second house and Ketu the eighth

> > house

> > > > > Kulik

> > > > > > > Kaalsarp Yoga arises. This combination is bad for

> health.

> > The

> > > > > > > probability of losses and accidents is high with

natives

> of

> > > > this

> > > > > > > combination. This is bad for financial prosperity too.

> The

> > > > native

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > worried on account of an insecure financial standing.

> > > > > > > Vasuki Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu occupies the third house and Ketu the ninth

> house

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rest of the planets are located to the left of the Rahu

> > Ketu

> > > > axis

> > > > > > > this yoga is born. The native is burdened with problems

> > > > relating

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > job and business.

> > > > > > > Shankpal Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu occupies the 4th house and Ketu the 10th this

> > yoga

> > > is

> > > > > > > Formed. The native gets trouble relating to work sphere

> and

> > > has

> > > > > to

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > through stress and anxiety. Sometimes the native has an

> > > > > > illegitimate

> > > > > > > child or can be an illegitimate child. However this

yoga

> > also

> > > > has

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > power of conferring high political success and windfall

> > gains.

> > > > > > > Padam Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu occupies the fifth house and Ketu the

eleventh

> > > house

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > Yoga is formed. The native is worried on account of

> > children.

> > > > > There

> > > > > > > is difficulty in getting a progeny. If the moon is also

> > > > afflicted

> > > > > > > then there is the possibility of being troubled by

> spirits.

> > > In

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > case if a native falls ill the recovery time is slow.

> There

> > > are

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > chances of being let down by friends in this case.

> > > > > > > Mahapadam Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This yoga is formed when rahu is in the 6th house and

> Ketu

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > twelfth house. The native has many enemies and has

> problems

> > > on

> > > > > > > account of diseases. However if this yoga acts

> beneficially

> > > it

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > the power to confer power and political success.

> > > > > > > Takshak Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu is in the seventh house and Ketu in the first

> > house

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > yoga is formed. The native has got speculative

> tendencies

> > and

> > > > can

> > > > > > > lose wealth by way of wine, women and gambling. There

is

> > > > marital

> > > > > > > discord in the life of the native.

> > > > > > > Karkotak Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu occupies the eighth house and Ketu the second

> > house

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > yoga is formed. The native is short tempered and has

> many

> > > > > enemies.

> > > > > > > Such a native has friendship with the anti social

> elements.

> > > The

> > > > > > > native does not get paternal wealth.

> > > > > > > Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When rahu occupies the eleventh house and ketu the

fifth

> > > house

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > yoga which arises is the Vishdhar Kaalsarp Yoga. The

> native

> > > > > travels

> > > > > > > frequently and is never fixed at on place. Problems

also

> > > arise

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > children. However these natives get some peace in the

> > latter

> > > > half

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > their life.

> > > > > > > Sheshnag Kaalsarp Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Rahu occupies the twelfth house and ketu the 6th

> house

> > > > this

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > arises. The native has problems relating to litigation.

> > There

> > > > are

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > enemies and health problems.

> > > > > > > The Kaalsarp Yoga is not always bad. It has the power

to

> > > confer

> > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > All planets must be hemmed between rahu and ketu.

> > > > > > > Even if one planet is outside the Rahu Ketu axis there

> is

> > no

> > > > > > Kaalsarp

> > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > Rahu equals moon's north node. Ketu equals moon's south

> > node.

> > > >

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March 2, 2005

Dear Rohini ji,

May be true but then we r not making jackets for every body acording to their

sizes.Perhaps we are yet in dilemma to confirm as this is the ideal approach and

relevant to the problem and issue.So we still have that elbow room to feel:

''we see around us are necessarily to attain that

ultimate goal in this lifetime".

Then at the end of the day there is some realisation to feel that we r still in

the hallowness with all those efforts to know what the stars have kept in store

to us.The reality is the uncertainity at every moment is threatening all of

us.Best way to get away from that uneasiness is only to feel that to bow our

heads and close the eyes and sit before "the Unknown"and activate every cell of

our structure to submit before Him as a very helpless creature and pray for His

Grace to find some light in the darkness.

The seamless KNOWLEDGE is pervasive and we r willing to know all new facets of

this world.

Hence:'the native is made to realise

that the powerful karma(action) is capable of adding new pursuits of

life without getting exhausted/tired''.

Can I assume that in this kind of Kala Sarpa an opportunity given to us to know

the unknown?

krishnan

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote: