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Dear All,

 

THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

 

Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a

quiz, though many of us know it well.

 

Case 1:

A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same star-

NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in match

or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

(Please do not include any remedy)

 

Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter(Paada)?

 

Case2:

A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18

and living happily; but they want to know whether

'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their

marriage at any point of time?

What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

include any remedy)

 

Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

(Star/chart has no such indication)

 

all members are welcome to share their views.

 

regards

KAD

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Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

 

Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

 

 

 

 

 

, "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

> SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

>

> Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a

> quiz, though many of us know it well.

>

> Case 1:

> A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same

star-

> NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in

match

> or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> (Please do not include any remedy)

>

> Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

(Paada)?

>

> Case2:

> A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18

> and living happily; but they want to know whether

> 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their

> marriage at any point of time?

> What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

> include any remedy)

>

> Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> (Star/chart has no such indication)

>

> all members are welcome to share their views.

>

> regards

> KAD

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Not all are intelligent like you! Intelligent students must come up

with answers, Boy!

 

, "tajillusions"

<tajillusions> wrote:

>

> Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

>

> Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

>

>

>

>

>

> , "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

> > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> >

> > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a

> > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> >

> > Case 1:

> > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same

> star-

> > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in

> match

> > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > (Please do not include any remedy)

> >

> > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

> (Paada)?

> >

> > Case2:

> > A couple with same star are married with match points more than

18

> > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their

> > marriage at any point of time?

> > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

> > include any remedy)

> >

> > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> >

> > all members are welcome to share their views.

> >

> > regards

> > KAD

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hello friends,

marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un happy.If un happy

people think of this fine art and eager to quiz.When things go well the efforts

of mankind are superior to the Inventor of mankind.

Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is different.willingly un

willingly every family thinks of some God.Increase their confidence and start

their daily routine.

My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of prayer.My friend

Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to devotion to Almighty.

Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages which have

been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages have also taken place

without the guidance of Astrologer and had successful family events.

Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think of the past

beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too.

let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and say jyotish is

right or utterly wrong.

After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that may be

foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive approach and

understanding.That is where we rely on data and confirmation.

Am I wrong in my understanding?

krishnan

 

tajillusions <tajillusions wrote:

 

Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

 

Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

 

 

 

 

 

, "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

> SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

>

> Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a

> quiz, though many of us know it well.

>

> Case 1:

> A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same

star-

> NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in

match

> or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> (Please do not include any remedy)

>

> Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

(Paada)?

>

> Case2:

> A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18

> and living happily; but they want to know whether

> 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their

> marriage at any point of time?

> What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

> include any remedy)

>

> Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> (Star/chart has no such indication)

>

> all members are welcome to share their views.

>

> regards

> KAD

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear friends,

My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or

not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each

other.

If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like

going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc,

and they will end up not getting married.

Inder

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> hello friends,

> marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un

happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the

Inventor of mankind.

> Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

devotion to Almighty.

> Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages

which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages

have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had

successful family events.

> Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think

of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too.

> let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and

say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that

may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive

approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

confirmation.

> Am I wrong in my understanding?

> krishnan

>

> tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

>

> Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

>

> Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

>

>

>

>

>

> , "kadrudra"

<kadrudra>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

> > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> >

> > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like

a

> > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> >

> > Case 1:

> > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same

> star-

> > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in

> match

> > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > (Please do not include any remedy)

> >

> > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

> (Paada)?

> >

> > Case2:

> > A couple with same star are married with match points more than

18

> > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their

> > marriage at any point of time?

> > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

> > include any remedy)

> >

> > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> >

> > all members are welcome to share their views.

> >

> > regards

> > KAD

>

>

>

>

>

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Matching is given more importance of the persons concerned and the families

ready for joining in to the frame work of relationship.if this issues is

finalised, it is only later that the person as a second (precaution) would go in

search of a jyotish to find how far the bond(proposed) can last.In this

conection iam reminded of my friend(also like a teacher in Astrology) case.

He thought of his his son's marriage working in merchant navy.Since father is a

known figure in Astrology it was not difficult to get the advice if Astrologer

The problem is now with Astrologer (she felt) some problem in the growing

relatioship.

I attended for the engagement one evening.It went very well.The next day I got a

message that the girl's father broke the engagement 'coz of some differences.

The breaking of the relationship was attributed to transit of jupiter at that

time.ultimately with so much of tension some how both parents patched up as they

have yielded to the boy's determination and the marriage was performed without

much ado(also a inter communal marriage).

Finally the boy broke up with his parents till date.The blame was to be shared

by the Astrologer whom they have consulted.

Now the young couple stay seperate from parents and have a child out of this

relationship.

This time the blame squarely has been put by my friend(a teacher in Astrology)

on the jyotish.

These incidents are not uncommon.

I agree with my friend Inder ji for the theory of destiny.

Krishnan

 

Inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

 

Dear friends,

My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or

not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each

other.

If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like

going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc,

and they will end up not getting married.

Inder

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> hello friends,

> marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un

happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the

Inventor of mankind.

> Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

devotion to Almighty.

> Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages

which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages

have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had

successful family events.

> Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think

of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too.

> let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and

say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that

may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive

approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

confirmation.

> Am I wrong in my understanding?

> krishnan

>

> tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

>

> Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

>

> Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

>

>

>

>

>

> , "kadrudra"

<kadrudra>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

> > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> >

> > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like

a

> > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> >

> > Case 1:

> > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same

> star-

> > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in

> match

> > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > (Please do not include any remedy)

> >

> > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

> (Paada)?

> >

> > Case2:

> > A couple with same star are married with match points more than

18

> > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their

> > marriage at any point of time?

> > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

> > include any remedy)

> >

> > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> >

> > all members are welcome to share their views.

> >

> > regards

> > KAD

>

>

>

>

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

>

>

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>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear All,

 

Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the

Hell; well that is a different issue!

Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only

marriage?..there are many other things - rather

all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever

you call it. To be frank, famous quote-

"RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that

Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode)

are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in

this/past life. Of course all these are ruled

by sancita-KARMA.

 

Still, all consult astrologers to know about

Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in destiny,

astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your

destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of

your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR and

use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client.

THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today.

 

Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a

remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to

save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep

on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be

worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

(Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT

supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra,

stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry!

But I know that following you will solve my problems!)

 

hope I am clear to at least some members!

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

 

 

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or

> not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each

> other.

> If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like

> going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc,

> and they will end up not getting married.

> Inder

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> > hello friends,

> > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un

> happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

> quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the

> Inventor of mankind.

> > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

> different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

> God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

> prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

> devotion to Almighty.

> > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen

marriages

> which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages

> have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had

> successful family events.

> > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think

> of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too.

> > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and

> say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that

> may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a

positive

> approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

> confirmation.

> > Am I wrong in my understanding?

> > krishnan

> >

> > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

> >

> > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

> >

> > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "kadrudra"

> <kadrudra>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

> > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> > >

> > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like

> a

> > > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> > >

> > > Case 1:

> > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of

same

> > star-

> > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in

> > match

> > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > > (Please do not include any remedy)

> > >

> > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

> > (Paada)?

> > >

> > > Case2:

> > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than

> 18

> > > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect

their

> > > marriage at any point of time?

> > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

> > > include any remedy)

> > >

> > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> > >

> > > all members are welcome to share their views.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> >

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Hello Friends,

What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our reverred seers,the

application of these preachings are left to the wisdom of the Humans.Humans in

their own wisdom have their acts to gether >in the process one is confident the

other is shake and the last one has no faith on his success based on the trend

he is experiencing.But a ray of hope always persists.So there is need to:

"Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

(Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT

supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

saraNam kleSha haraNam"

to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be gaining confidence

and make good beginning and fulfil his wish.

our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face success and defeat

equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good children.All hopes till we

fufil and so there is in built nervousness in all of us.

Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face?

only by procastination?krishnan

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

 

Dear All,

 

Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the

Hell; well that is a different issue!

Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only

marriage?..there are many other things - rather

all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever

you call it. To be frank, famous quote-

"RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that

Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode)

are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in

this/past life. Of course all these are ruled

by sancita-KARMA.

 

Still, all consult astrologers to know about

Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in destiny,

astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your

destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of

your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR and

use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client.

THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today.

 

Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a

remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to

save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep

on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be

worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

(Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT

supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra,

stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry!

But I know that following you will solve my problems!)

 

hope I am clear to at least some members!

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

 

 

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or

> not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each

> other.

> If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like

> going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc,

> and they will end up not getting married.

> Inder

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> > hello friends,

> > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un

> happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

> quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the

> Inventor of mankind.

> > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

> different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

> God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

> prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

> devotion to Almighty.

> > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen

marriages

> which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages

> have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had

> successful family events.

> > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think

> of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too.

> > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and

> say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that

> may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a

positive

> approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

> confirmation.

> > Am I wrong in my understanding?

> > krishnan

> >

> > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

> >

> > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

> >

> > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "kadrudra"

> <kadrudra>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY

> > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> > >

> > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like

> a

> > > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> > >

> > > Case 1:

> > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of

same

> > star-

> > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in

> > match

> > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > > (Please do not include any remedy)

> > >

> > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

> > (Paada)?

> > >

> > > Case2:

> > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than

> 18

> > > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect

their

> > > marriage at any point of time?

> > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not

> > > include any remedy)

> > >

> > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> > >

> > > all members are welcome to share their views.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > KAD

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Absolutely right!

We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of

destiny, because that destiny has given

us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or karma,

it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts.

 

If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to

dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion

while matching charts, cheers!

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Hello Friends,

> What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our reverred

seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom of

the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether >in

the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one has

no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But a

ray of hope always persists.So there is need to:

> "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

> (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from

THAT

> supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> saraNam kleSha haraNam"

> to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be gaining

confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish.

> our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face success

and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good

children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built nervousness

in all of us.

> Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face?

> only by procastination?krishnan

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the

> Hell; well that is a different issue!

> Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only

> marriage?..there are many other things - rather

> all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever

> you call it. To be frank, famous quote-

> "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that

> Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode)

> are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in

> this/past life. Of course all these are ruled

> by sancita-KARMA.

>

> Still, all consult astrologers to know about

> Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in

destiny,

> astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your

> destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of

> your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR

and

> use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client.

> THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today.

>

> Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a

> remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to

> save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep

> on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be

> worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of

Knowledge

> (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from

THAT

> supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra,

> stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry!

> But I know that following you will solve my problems!)

>

> hope I am clear to at least some members!

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc

or

> > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each

> > other.

> > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like

> > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts

etc,

> > and they will end up not getting married.

> > Inder

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > hello friends,

> > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un

> > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

> > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to

the

> > Inventor of mankind.

> > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

> > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

> > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

> > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

> > devotion to Almighty.

> > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen

> marriages

> > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also

marriages

> > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had

> > successful family events.

> > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also

think

> > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth

too.

> > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events

and

> > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord

that

> > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a

> positive

> > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

> > confirmation.

> > > Am I wrong in my understanding?

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

> > >

> > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

> > >

> > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "kadrudra"

> > <kadrudra>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION

BY

> > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it

like

> > a

> > > > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> > > >

> > > > Case 1:

> > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of

> same

> > > star-

> > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems

in

> > > match

> > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > > > (Please do not include any remedy)

> > > >

> > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

> > > (Paada)?

> > > >

> > > > Case2:

> > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more

than

> > 18

> > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect

> their

> > > > marriage at any point of time?

> > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do

not

> > > > include any remedy)

> > > >

> > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > > > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> > > >

> > > > all members are welcome to share their views.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hello,

I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri B..V.Raman:who can say say

definetely what can happen except the creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology

is only an indicative of things to happen.

So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a cruise in this

ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted controlling the events can only

be known through Astrology.Not certainly be all and end of it

Thanx

Krishnan

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

 

Absolutely right!

We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of

destiny, because that destiny has given

us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or karma,

it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts.

 

If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to

dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion

while matching charts, cheers!

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Hello Friends,

> What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our reverred

seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom of

the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether >in

the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one has

no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But a

ray of hope always persists.So there is need to:

> "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

> (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from

THAT

> supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> saraNam kleSha haraNam"

> to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be gaining

confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish.

> our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face success

and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good

children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built nervousness

in all of us.

> Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face?

> only by procastination?krishnan

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the

> Hell; well that is a different issue!

> Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only

> marriage?..there are many other things - rather

> all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever

> you call it. To be frank, famous quote-

> "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that

> Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode)

> are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in

> this/past life. Of course all these are ruled

> by sancita-KARMA.

>

> Still, all consult astrologers to know about

> Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in

destiny,

> astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your

> destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of

> your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR

and

> use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client.

> THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today.

>

> Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a

> remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to

> save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep

> on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be

> worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of

Knowledge

> (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from

THAT

> supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra,

> stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry!

> But I know that following you will solve my problems!)

>

> hope I am clear to at least some members!

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc

or

> > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each

> > other.

> > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like

> > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts

etc,

> > and they will end up not getting married.

> > Inder

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > hello friends,

> > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un

> > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

> > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to

the

> > Inventor of mankind.

> > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

> > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

> > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

> > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

> > devotion to Almighty.

> > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen

> marriages

> > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also

marriages

> > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had

> > successful family events.

> > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also

think

> > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth

too.

> > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events

and

> > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord

that

> > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a

> positive

> > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

> > confirmation.

> > > Am I wrong in my understanding?

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

> > >

> > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

> > >

> > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "kadrudra"

> > <kadrudra>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION

BY

> > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it

like

> > a

> > > > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> > > >

> > > > Case 1:

> > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of

> same

> > > star-

> > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems

in

> > > match

> > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > > > (Please do not include any remedy)

> > > >

> > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter

> > > (Paada)?

> > > >

> > > > Case2:

> > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more

than

> > 18

> > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect

> their

> > > > marriage at any point of time?

> > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do

not

> > > > include any remedy)

> > > >

> > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > > > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> > > >

> > > > all members are welcome to share their views.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > KAD

> > >

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Dear Krishnan,

My views are that Astrology is not indicative , it is exact.

The limitations are reading/interpretation of the chart, which is

difficult and vast area.

We can not change destiny by astrology or astrological forecasts or

remedies etc.

Inder

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Hello,

> I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri

B..V.Raman:who can say say definetely what can happen except the

creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology is only an indicative of

things to happen.

> So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a cruise

in this ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted controlling

the events can only be known through Astrology.Not certainly be all

and end of it

> Thanx

> Krishnan

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

>

> Absolutely right!

> We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of

> destiny, because that destiny has given

> us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or

karma,

> it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts.

>

> If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to

> dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion

> while matching charts, cheers!

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> > Hello Friends,

> > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our

reverred

> seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom

of

> the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether

>in

> the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one

has

> no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But

a

> ray of hope always persists.So there is need to:

> > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

> > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from

> THAT

> > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> > saraNam kleSha haraNam"

> > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be

gaining

> confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish.

> > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face

success

> and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good

> children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built

nervousness

> in all of us.

> > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face?

> > only by procastination?krishnan

> >

> > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in

the

> > Hell; well that is a different issue!

> > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only

> > marriage?..there are many other things - rather

> > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or

whatever

> > you call it. To be frank, famous quote-

> > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says

that

> > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode)

> > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in

> > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled

> > by sancita-KARMA.

> >

> > Still, all consult astrologers to know about

> > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in

> destiny,

> > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your

> > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of

> > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a

COUNSELLOR

> and

> > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client.

> > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today.

> >

> > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking

for a

> > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to

> > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I

keep

> > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be

> > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of

> Knowledge

> > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from

> THAT

> > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra,

> > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry!

> > But I know that following you will solve my problems!)

> >

> > hope I am clear to at least some members!

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star

etc

> or

> > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry

each

> > > other.

> > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur

like

> > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts

> etc,

> > > and they will end up not getting married.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > hello friends,

> > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or

un

> > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

> > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior

to

> the

> > > Inventor of mankind.

> > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

> > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

> > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

> > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

> > > devotion to Almighty.

> > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen

> > marriages

> > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also

> marriages

> > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and

had

> > > successful family events.

> > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also

> think

> > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next

borth

> too.

> > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events

> and

> > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord

> that

> > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a

> > positive

> > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

> > > confirmation.

> > > > Am I wrong in my understanding?

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

> > > >

> > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "kadrudra"

> > > <kadrudra>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY

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> > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it

> like

> > > a

> > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are

of

> > same

> > > > star-

> > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other

problems

> in

> > > > match

> > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > > > > (Please do not include any remedy)

> > > > >

> > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star

quarter

> > > > (Paada)?

> > > > >

> > > > > Case2:

> > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more

> than

> > > 18

> > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect

> > their

> > > > > marriage at any point of time?

> > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do

> not

> > > > > include any remedy)

> > > > >

> > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents?

> > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> > > > >

> > > > > all members are welcome to share their views.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > KAD

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Dear Inder ji,kAD ji ,Krishnan ji and all

I also want to add.

marriages are made in heaven.It is well said in almost all cultures.

Chankya also said that Aayu,spouse,Dhan and yash are predetermined.

Well its true that everything is predetermined with certain limited

free will given to all.

I remember swami vivekanand has said that "Marriages are for

spiriyual purpose.The person spiritually helps other one to grow.".I

do not remember the exact words.Also its true that everything we met

in our life has a deep meaning.

Hence a marriage turned into hell must have a spiritual meaning....

because the things like vairagya can't be taught just by words or

Gurus to all.some needs a long path (may be many births).

I may take examples like:

Two person having very strong intimate pious relationship which has

developed upto level that one can't think of anyone else for

marriage...but they are forced by society,family to marry somewhere

else.......or they themselve choose the path to leave each other for

good of others.

Now they are married to someone else........this marriage may be good

or bad depending on the partners..

Now person has to keep his previous relationship more pious and above

worldly relations.This is spiritual way of dealing and learning that

relations are above worldly gain and loss.

Also new relationship may be bad due to other partener being wrong.

What we can say : Destiny intended for a bad marriage ignoring a

better relationship.Or in God's eyes that relation was bad....or he

intended to curse the person.........

Obviously not.marriage is a sacred institution to learn truer

meanings of relationship....

who are blessed with a sweet marriage learns a meaning of

relationship.

who are blessed with a bitter marriage learns another meaning of

relationship ....it may have diff meaning for each..

he may be destined to learn detarchment or to kindle his thirst for

truer things.

 

humbly

AMit Kumar

 

 

 

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnan,

> My views are that Astrology is not indicative , it is exact.

> The limitations are reading/interpretation of the chart, which is

> difficult and vast area.

> We can not change destiny by astrology or astrological forecasts or

> remedies etc.

> Inder

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> > Hello,

> > I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri

> B..V.Raman:who can say say definetely what can happen except the

> creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology is only an indicative of

> things to happen.

> > So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a

cruise

> in this ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted controlling

> the events can only be known through Astrology.Not certainly be all

> and end of it

> > Thanx

> > Krishnan

> >

> > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> >

> > Absolutely right!

> > We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of

> > destiny, because that destiny has given

> > us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or

> karma,

> > it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts.

> >

> > If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to

> > dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion

> > while matching charts, cheers!

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > Hello Friends,

> > > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our

> reverred

> > seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom

> of

> > the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether

> >in

> > the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one

> has

> > no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But

> a

> > ray of hope always persists.So there is need to:

> > > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

> > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth

from

> > THAT

> > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> > > saraNam kleSha haraNam"

> > > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be

> gaining

> > confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish.

> > > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face

> success

> > and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good

> > children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built

> nervousness

> > in all of us.

> > > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face?

> > > only by procastination?krishnan

> > >

> > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in

> the

> > > Hell; well that is a different issue!

> > > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only

> > > marriage?..there are many other things - rather

> > > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or

> whatever

> > > you call it. To be frank, famous quote-

> > > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says

> that

> > > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode)

> > > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in

> > > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled

> > > by sancita-KARMA.

> > >

> > > Still, all consult astrologers to know about

> > > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in

> > destiny,

> > > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your

> > > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of

> > > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a

> COUNSELLOR

> > and

> > > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client.

> > > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today.

> > >

> > > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking

> for a

> > > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to

> > > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I

> keep

> > > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be

> > > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of

> > Knowledge

> > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth

from

> > THAT

> > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> > > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra,

mantra,

> > > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry!

> > > But I know that following you will solve my problems!)

> > >

> > > hope I am clear to at least some members!

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Inder"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star

> etc

> > or

> > > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry

> each

> > > > other.

> > > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur

> like

> > > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of

charts

> > etc,

> > > > and they will end up not getting married.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > hello friends,

> > > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or

> un

> > > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to

> > > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior

> to

> > the

> > > > Inventor of mankind.

> > > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

> > > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some

> > > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine.

> > > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of

> > > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to

> > > > devotion to Almighty.

> > > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen

> > > marriages

> > > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also

> > marriages

> > > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and

> had

> > > > successful family events.

> > > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also

> > think

> > > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next

> borth

> > too.

> > > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the

events

> > and

> > > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> > > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any

discord

> > that

> > > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a

> > > positive

> > > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and

> > > > confirmation.

> > > > > Am I wrong in my understanding?

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> > > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

> > > > >

> > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "kadrudra"

> > > > <kadrudra>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY

> DISCUSSION

> > BY

> > > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy

it

> > like

> > > > a

> > > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are

> of

> > > same

> > > > > star-

> > > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other

> problems

> > in

> > > > > match

> > > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons.

> > > > > > (Please do not include any remedy)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star

> quarter

> > > > > (Paada)?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Case2:

> > > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points

more

> > than

> > > > 18

> > > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would

affect

> > > their

> > > > > > marriage at any point of time?

> > > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please

do

> > not

> > > > > > include any remedy)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or

parents?

> > > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > KAD

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Yes dear,

agreed, good comments.

Inder

 

, "amit_call"

<amit_call> wrote:

>

> Dear Inder ji,kAD ji ,Krishnan ji and all

> I also want to add.

> marriages are made in heaven.It is well said in almost all

cultures.

> Chankya also said that Aayu,spouse,Dhan and yash are predetermined.

> Well its true that everything is predetermined with certain

limited

> free will given to all.

> I remember swami vivekanand has said that "Marriages are for

> spiriyual purpose.The person spiritually helps other one to

grow.".I

> do not remember the exact words.Also its true that everything we

met

> in our life has a deep meaning.

> Hence a marriage turned into hell must have a spiritual

meaning....

> because the things like vairagya can't be taught just by words or

> Gurus to all.some needs a long path (may be many births).

> I may take examples like:

> Two person having very strong intimate pious relationship which

has

> developed upto level that one can't think of anyone else for

> marriage...but they are forced by society,family to marry

somewhere

> else.......or they themselve choose the path to leave each other

for

> good of others.

> Now they are married to someone else........this marriage may be

good

> or bad depending on the partners..

> Now person has to keep his previous relationship more pious and

above

> worldly relations.This is spiritual way of dealing and learning

that

> relations are above worldly gain and loss.

> Also new relationship may be bad due to other partener being wrong.

> What we can say : Destiny intended for a bad marriage ignoring a

> better relationship.Or in God's eyes that relation was bad....or

he

> intended to curse the person.........

> Obviously not.marriage is a sacred institution to learn truer

> meanings of relationship....

> who are blessed with a sweet marriage learns a meaning of

> relationship.

> who are blessed with a bitter marriage learns another meaning of

> relationship ....it may have diff meaning for each..

> he may be destined to learn detarchment or to kindle his thirst

for

> truer things.

>

> humbly

> AMit Kumar

>

>

>

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishnan,

> > My views are that Astrology is not indicative , it is exact.

> > The limitations are reading/interpretation of the chart, which

is

> > difficult and vast area.

> > We can not change destiny by astrology or astrological forecasts

or

> > remedies etc.

> > Inder

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > Hello,

> > > I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri

> > B..V.Raman:who can say say definetely what can happen except the

> > creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology is only an indicative

of

> > things to happen.

> > > So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a

> cruise

> > in this ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted

controlling

> > the events can only be known through Astrology.Not certainly be

all

> > and end of it

> > > Thanx

> > > Krishnan

> > >

> > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > >

> > > Absolutely right!

> > > We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets

of

> > > destiny, because that destiny has given

> > > us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or

> > karma,

> > > it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts.

> > >

> > > If my two questions could make some members clinging just on

to

> > > dictums, think once more before giving hasty

prediction/suggestion

> > > while matching charts, cheers!

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > Hello Friends,

> > > > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our

> > reverred

> > > seers,the application of these preachings are left to the

wisdom

> > of

> > > the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to

gether

> > >in

> > > the process one is confident the other is shake and the last

one

> > has

> > > no faith on his success based on the trend he is

experiencing.But

> > a

> > > ray of hope always persists.So there is need to:

> > > > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge

> > > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> > > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth

> from

> > > THAT

> > > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> > > > saraNam kleSha haraNam"

> > > > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be

> > gaining

> > > confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish.

> > > > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face

> > success

> > > and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good

> > > children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built

> > nervousness

> > > in all of us.

> > > > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face?

> > > > only by procastination?krishnan

> > > >

> > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up

in

> > the

> > > > Hell; well that is a different issue!

> > > > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only

> > > > marriage?..there are many other things - rather

> > > > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or

> > whatever

> > > > you call it. To be frank, famous quote-

> > > > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly

says

> > that

> > > > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode)

> > > > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa)

in

> > > > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled

> > > > by sancita-KARMA.

> > > >

> > > > Still, all consult astrologers to know about

> > > > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in

> > > destiny,

> > > > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence

your

> > > > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of

> > > > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a

> > COUNSELLOR

> > > and

> > > > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client.

> > > > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today.

> > > >

> > > > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in

asking

> > for a

> > > > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to

> > > > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think

I

> > keep

> > > > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be

> > > > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of

> > > Knowledge

> > > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine

> > > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth

> from

> > > THAT

> > > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu

> > > > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra,

> mantra,

> > > > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry!

> > > > But I know that following you will solve my problems!)

> > > >

> > > > hope I am clear to at least some members!

> > > >

> > > > yours

> > > > KAD

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Inder"

> > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi,

star

> > etc

> > > or

> > > > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly

marry

> > each

> > > > > other.

> > > > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would

occur

> > like

> > > > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of

> charts

> > > etc,

> > > > > and they will end up not getting married.

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > hello friends,

> > > > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy

or

> > un

> > > > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager

to

> > > > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are

superior

> > to

> > > the

> > > > > Inventor of mankind.

> > > > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is

> > > > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of

some

> > > > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily

routine.

> > > > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance

of

> > > > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need

to

> > > > > devotion to Almighty.

> > > > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen

> > > > marriages

> > > > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also

> > > marriages

> > > > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer

and

> > had

> > > > > successful family events.

> > > > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we

also

> > > think

> > > > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next

> > borth

> > > too.

> > > > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the

> events

> > > and

> > > > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong.

> > > > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any

> discord

> > > that

> > > > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is

a

> > > > positive

> > > > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data

and

> > > > > confirmation.

> > > > > > Am I wrong in my understanding?

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis:

> > > > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "kadrudra"

> > > > > <kadrudra>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY

> > DISCUSSION

> > > BY

> > > > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us

enjoy

> it

> > > like

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they

are

> > of

> > > > same

> > > > > > star-

> > > > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total

> > > > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other

> > problems

> > > in

> > > > > > match

> > > > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid

reasons.

> > > > > > > (Please do not include any remedy)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star?

> > > > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star

> > quarter

> > > > > > (Paada)?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Case2:

> > > > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points

> more

> > > than

> > > > > 18

> > > > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether

> > > > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would

> affect

> > > > their

> > > > > > > marriage at any point of time?

> > > > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.

(Please

> do

> > > not

> > > > > > > include any remedy)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or

> parents?

> > > > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > KAD

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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