Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Dear All, THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY SHARING KNOWLEDGE. Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a quiz, though many of us know it well. Case 1: A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same star- NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in match or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. (Please do not include any remedy) Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter(Paada)? Case2: A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18 and living happily; but they want to know whether 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their marriage at any point of time? What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not include any remedy) Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? (Star/chart has no such indication) all members are welcome to share their views. regards KAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear All, > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > Case 1: > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same star- > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in match > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > (Please do not include any remedy) > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter (Paada)? > > Case2: > A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18 > and living happily; but they want to know whether > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their > marriage at any point of time? > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > include any remedy) > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > regards > KAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Not all are intelligent like you! Intelligent students must come up with answers, Boy! , "tajillusions" <tajillusions> wrote: > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > Case 1: > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same > star- > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in > match > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > (Paada)? > > > > Case2: > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18 > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their > > marriage at any point of time? > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > > include any remedy) > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > regards > > KAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 hello friends, marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the Inventor of mankind. Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to devotion to Almighty. Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had successful family events. Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too. let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and confirmation. Am I wrong in my understanding? krishnan tajillusions <tajillusions wrote: Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear All, > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > Case 1: > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same star- > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in match > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > (Please do not include any remedy) > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter (Paada)? > > Case2: > A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18 > and living happily; but they want to know whether > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their > marriage at any point of time? > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > include any remedy) > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > regards > KAD ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor document.write(''); / Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Dear friends, My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each other. If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc, and they will end up not getting married. Inder , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > hello friends, > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the Inventor of mankind. > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to devotion to Almighty. > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had successful family events. > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too. > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and confirmation. > Am I wrong in my understanding? > krishnan > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > Case 1: > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same > star- > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in > match > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > (Paada)? > > > > Case2: > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18 > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their > > marriage at any point of time? > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > > include any remedy) > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > regards > > KAD > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > document.write(''); > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Matching is given more importance of the persons concerned and the families ready for joining in to the frame work of relationship.if this issues is finalised, it is only later that the person as a second (precaution) would go in search of a jyotish to find how far the bond(proposed) can last.In this conection iam reminded of my friend(also like a teacher in Astrology) case. He thought of his his son's marriage working in merchant navy.Since father is a known figure in Astrology it was not difficult to get the advice if Astrologer The problem is now with Astrologer (she felt) some problem in the growing relatioship. I attended for the engagement one evening.It went very well.The next day I got a message that the girl's father broke the engagement 'coz of some differences. The breaking of the relationship was attributed to transit of jupiter at that time.ultimately with so much of tension some how both parents patched up as they have yielded to the boy's determination and the marriage was performed without much ado(also a inter communal marriage). Finally the boy broke up with his parents till date.The blame was to be shared by the Astrologer whom they have consulted. Now the young couple stay seperate from parents and have a child out of this relationship. This time the blame squarely has been put by my friend(a teacher in Astrology) on the jyotish. These incidents are not uncommon. I agree with my friend Inder ji for the theory of destiny. Krishnan Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear friends, My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each other. If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc, and they will end up not getting married. Inder , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > hello friends, > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the Inventor of mankind. > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to devotion to Almighty. > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had successful family events. > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too. > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and confirmation. > Am I wrong in my understanding? > krishnan > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like a > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > Case 1: > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same > star- > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in > match > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > (Paada)? > > > > Case2: > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than 18 > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their > > marriage at any point of time? > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > > include any remedy) > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > regards > > KAD > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > document.write(''); > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor document.write(''); / Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Dear All, Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the Hell; well that is a different issue! Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only marriage?..there are many other things - rather all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever you call it. To be frank, famous quote- "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode) are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in this/past life. Of course all these are ruled by sancita-KARMA. Still, all consult astrologers to know about Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in destiny, astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR and use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client. THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today. Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra, stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry! But I know that following you will solve my problems!) hope I am clear to at least some members! yours KAD , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each > other. > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc, > and they will end up not getting married. > Inder > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > hello friends, > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the > Inventor of mankind. > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to > devotion to Almighty. > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had > successful family events. > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too. > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and > confirmation. > > Am I wrong in my understanding? > > krishnan > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like > a > > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > > > Case 1: > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same > > star- > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in > > match > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > > (Paada)? > > > > > > Case2: > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than > 18 > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their > > > marriage at any point of time? > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > > > include any remedy) > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > > > regards > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > Sponsor > > document.write(''); > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hello Friends, What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our reverred seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom of the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether >in the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one has no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But a ray of hope always persists.So there is need to: "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu saraNam kleSha haraNam" to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be gaining confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish. our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face success and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built nervousness in all of us. Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face? only by procastination?krishnan kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear All, Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the Hell; well that is a different issue! Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only marriage?..there are many other things - rather all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever you call it. To be frank, famous quote- "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode) are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in this/past life. Of course all these are ruled by sancita-KARMA. Still, all consult astrologers to know about Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in destiny, astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR and use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client. THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today. Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra, stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry! But I know that following you will solve my problems!) hope I am clear to at least some members! yours KAD , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each > other. > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc, > and they will end up not getting married. > Inder > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > hello friends, > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the > Inventor of mankind. > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to > devotion to Almighty. > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen marriages > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had > successful family events. > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too. > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a positive > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and > confirmation. > > Am I wrong in my understanding? > > krishnan > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like > a > > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > > > Case 1: > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of same > > star- > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in > > match > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > > (Paada)? > > > > > > Case2: > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than > 18 > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect their > > > marriage at any point of time? > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > > > include any remedy) > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > > > regards > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > Sponsor > > document.write(''); > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Absolutely right! We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of destiny, because that destiny has given us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or karma, it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts. If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion while matching charts, cheers! yours KAD , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Hello Friends, > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our reverred seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom of the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether >in the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one has no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But a ray of hope always persists.So there is need to: > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > saraNam kleSha haraNam" > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be gaining confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish. > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face success and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built nervousness in all of us. > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face? > only by procastination?krishnan > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the > Hell; well that is a different issue! > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only > marriage?..there are many other things - rather > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever > you call it. To be frank, famous quote- > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode) > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled > by sancita-KARMA. > > Still, all consult astrologers to know about > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in destiny, > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR and > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client. > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today. > > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra, > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry! > But I know that following you will solve my problems!) > > hope I am clear to at least some members! > > yours > KAD > > > > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each > > other. > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc, > > and they will end up not getting married. > > Inder > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > hello friends, > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the > > Inventor of mankind. > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to > > devotion to Almighty. > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen > marriages > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had > > successful family events. > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too. > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a > positive > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and > > confirmation. > > > Am I wrong in my understanding? > > > krishnan > > > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like > > a > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of > same > > > star- > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in > > > match > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > > > (Paada)? > > > > > > > > Case2: > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than > > 18 > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect > their > > > > marriage at any point of time? > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > > > > include any remedy) > > > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hello, I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri B..V.Raman:who can say say definetely what can happen except the creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology is only an indicative of things to happen. So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a cruise in this ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted controlling the events can only be known through Astrology.Not certainly be all and end of it Thanx Krishnan kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Absolutely right! We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of destiny, because that destiny has given us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or karma, it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts. If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion while matching charts, cheers! yours KAD , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Hello Friends, > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our reverred seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom of the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether >in the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one has no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But a ray of hope always persists.So there is need to: > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > saraNam kleSha haraNam" > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be gaining confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish. > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face success and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built nervousness in all of us. > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face? > only by procastination?krishnan > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the > Hell; well that is a different issue! > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only > marriage?..there are many other things - rather > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever > you call it. To be frank, famous quote- > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode) > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled > by sancita-KARMA. > > Still, all consult astrologers to know about > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in destiny, > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR and > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client. > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today. > > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from THAT > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra, > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry! > But I know that following you will solve my problems!) > > hope I am clear to at least some members! > > yours > KAD > > > > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc or > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each > > other. > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts etc, > > and they will end up not getting married. > > Inder > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > hello friends, > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to the > > Inventor of mankind. > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to > > devotion to Almighty. > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen > marriages > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also marriages > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had > > successful family events. > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also think > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth too. > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events and > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord that > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a > positive > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and > > confirmation. > > > Am I wrong in my understanding? > > > krishnan > > > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION BY > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it like > > a > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of > same > > > star- > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems in > > > match > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > > > (Paada)? > > > > > > > > Case2: > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more than > > 18 > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect > their > > > > marriage at any point of time? > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do not > > > > include any remedy) > > > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Dear Krishnan, My views are that Astrology is not indicative , it is exact. The limitations are reading/interpretation of the chart, which is difficult and vast area. We can not change destiny by astrology or astrological forecasts or remedies etc. Inder , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Hello, > I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri B..V.Raman:who can say say definetely what can happen except the creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology is only an indicative of things to happen. > So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a cruise in this ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted controlling the events can only be known through Astrology.Not certainly be all and end of it > Thanx > Krishnan > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > Absolutely right! > We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of > destiny, because that destiny has given > us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or karma, > it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts. > > If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to > dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion > while matching charts, cheers! > > yours > KAD > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our reverred > seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom of > the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether >in > the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one has > no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But a > ray of hope always persists.So there is need to: > > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from > THAT > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > > saraNam kleSha haraNam" > > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be gaining > confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish. > > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face success > and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good > children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built nervousness > in all of us. > > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face? > > only by procastination?krishnan > > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in the > > Hell; well that is a different issue! > > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only > > marriage?..there are many other things - rather > > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or whatever > > you call it. To be frank, famous quote- > > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says that > > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode) > > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in > > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled > > by sancita-KARMA. > > > > Still, all consult astrologers to know about > > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in > destiny, > > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your > > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of > > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a COUNSELLOR > and > > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client. > > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today. > > > > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking for a > > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to > > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I keep > > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be > > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of > Knowledge > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from > THAT > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra, > > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry! > > But I know that following you will solve my problems!) > > > > hope I am clear to at least some members! > > > > yours > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star etc > or > > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry each > > > other. > > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur like > > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts > etc, > > > and they will end up not getting married. > > > Inder > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > hello friends, > > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or un > > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to > > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior to > the > > > Inventor of mankind. > > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is > > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some > > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of > > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to > > > devotion to Almighty. > > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen > > marriages > > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also > marriages > > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and had > > > successful family events. > > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also > think > > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next borth > too. > > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events > and > > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord > that > > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a > > positive > > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and > > > confirmation. > > > > Am I wrong in my understanding? > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > > > > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > > > > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > <kadrudra> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY DISCUSSION > BY > > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it > like > > > a > > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are of > > same > > > > star- > > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other problems > in > > > > match > > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > > > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star quarter > > > > (Paada)? > > > > > > > > > > Case2: > > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more > than > > > 18 > > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect > > their > > > > > marriage at any point of time? > > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do > not > > > > > include any remedy) > > > > > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > document.write(''); > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Dear Inder ji,kAD ji ,Krishnan ji and all I also want to add. marriages are made in heaven.It is well said in almost all cultures. Chankya also said that Aayu,spouse,Dhan and yash are predetermined. Well its true that everything is predetermined with certain limited free will given to all. I remember swami vivekanand has said that "Marriages are for spiriyual purpose.The person spiritually helps other one to grow.".I do not remember the exact words.Also its true that everything we met in our life has a deep meaning. Hence a marriage turned into hell must have a spiritual meaning.... because the things like vairagya can't be taught just by words or Gurus to all.some needs a long path (may be many births). I may take examples like: Two person having very strong intimate pious relationship which has developed upto level that one can't think of anyone else for marriage...but they are forced by society,family to marry somewhere else.......or they themselve choose the path to leave each other for good of others. Now they are married to someone else........this marriage may be good or bad depending on the partners.. Now person has to keep his previous relationship more pious and above worldly relations.This is spiritual way of dealing and learning that relations are above worldly gain and loss. Also new relationship may be bad due to other partener being wrong. What we can say : Destiny intended for a bad marriage ignoring a better relationship.Or in God's eyes that relation was bad....or he intended to curse the person......... Obviously not.marriage is a sacred institution to learn truer meanings of relationship.... who are blessed with a sweet marriage learns a meaning of relationship. who are blessed with a bitter marriage learns another meaning of relationship ....it may have diff meaning for each.. he may be destined to learn detarchment or to kindle his thirst for truer things. humbly AMit Kumar , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Krishnan, > My views are that Astrology is not indicative , it is exact. > The limitations are reading/interpretation of the chart, which is > difficult and vast area. > We can not change destiny by astrology or astrological forecasts or > remedies etc. > Inder > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Hello, > > I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri > B..V.Raman:who can say say definetely what can happen except the > creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology is only an indicative of > things to happen. > > So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a cruise > in this ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted controlling > the events can only be known through Astrology.Not certainly be all > and end of it > > Thanx > > Krishnan > > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > Absolutely right! > > We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of > > destiny, because that destiny has given > > us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or > karma, > > it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts. > > > > If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to > > dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion > > while matching charts, cheers! > > > > yours > > KAD > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our > reverred > > seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom > of > > the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether > >in > > the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one > has > > no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But > a > > ray of hope always persists.So there is need to: > > > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge > > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from > > THAT > > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > > > saraNam kleSha haraNam" > > > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be > gaining > > confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish. > > > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face > success > > and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good > > children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built > nervousness > > in all of us. > > > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face? > > > only by procastination?krishnan > > > > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in > the > > > Hell; well that is a different issue! > > > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only > > > marriage?..there are many other things - rather > > > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or > whatever > > > you call it. To be frank, famous quote- > > > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says > that > > > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode) > > > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in > > > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled > > > by sancita-KARMA. > > > > > > Still, all consult astrologers to know about > > > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in > > destiny, > > > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your > > > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of > > > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a > COUNSELLOR > > and > > > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client. > > > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today. > > > > > > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking > for a > > > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to > > > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I > keep > > > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be > > > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of > > Knowledge > > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth from > > THAT > > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > > > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, mantra, > > > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry! > > > But I know that following you will solve my problems!) > > > > > > hope I am clear to at least some members! > > > > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star > etc > > or > > > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry > each > > > > other. > > > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur > like > > > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of charts > > etc, > > > > and they will end up not getting married. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > hello friends, > > > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or > un > > > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to > > > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior > to > > the > > > > Inventor of mankind. > > > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is > > > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some > > > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > > > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of > > > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to > > > > devotion to Almighty. > > > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen > > > marriages > > > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also > > marriages > > > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and > had > > > > successful family events. > > > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also > > think > > > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next > borth > > too. > > > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the events > > and > > > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > > > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any discord > > that > > > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a > > > positive > > > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and > > > > confirmation. > > > > > Am I wrong in my understanding? > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > > > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > > > > > > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > > <kadrudra> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY > DISCUSSION > > BY > > > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy it > > like > > > > a > > > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are > of > > > same > > > > > star- > > > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other > problems > > in > > > > > match > > > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > > > > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star > quarter > > > > > (Paada)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Case2: > > > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points more > > than > > > > 18 > > > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would affect > > > their > > > > > > marriage at any point of time? > > > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons.(Please do > > not > > > > > > include any remedy) > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or parents? > > > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > > > > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > document.write(''); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Yes dear, agreed, good comments. Inder , "amit_call" <amit_call> wrote: > > Dear Inder ji,kAD ji ,Krishnan ji and all > I also want to add. > marriages are made in heaven.It is well said in almost all cultures. > Chankya also said that Aayu,spouse,Dhan and yash are predetermined. > Well its true that everything is predetermined with certain limited > free will given to all. > I remember swami vivekanand has said that "Marriages are for > spiriyual purpose.The person spiritually helps other one to grow.".I > do not remember the exact words.Also its true that everything we met > in our life has a deep meaning. > Hence a marriage turned into hell must have a spiritual meaning.... > because the things like vairagya can't be taught just by words or > Gurus to all.some needs a long path (may be many births). > I may take examples like: > Two person having very strong intimate pious relationship which has > developed upto level that one can't think of anyone else for > marriage...but they are forced by society,family to marry somewhere > else.......or they themselve choose the path to leave each other for > good of others. > Now they are married to someone else........this marriage may be good > or bad depending on the partners.. > Now person has to keep his previous relationship more pious and above > worldly relations.This is spiritual way of dealing and learning that > relations are above worldly gain and loss. > Also new relationship may be bad due to other partener being wrong. > What we can say : Destiny intended for a bad marriage ignoring a > better relationship.Or in God's eyes that relation was bad....or he > intended to curse the person......... > Obviously not.marriage is a sacred institution to learn truer > meanings of relationship.... > who are blessed with a sweet marriage learns a meaning of > relationship. > who are blessed with a bitter marriage learns another meaning of > relationship ....it may have diff meaning for each.. > he may be destined to learn detarchment or to kindle his thirst for > truer things. > > humbly > AMit Kumar > > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishnan, > > My views are that Astrology is not indicative , it is exact. > > The limitations are reading/interpretation of the chart, which is > > difficult and vast area. > > We can not change destiny by astrology or astrological forecasts or > > remedies etc. > > Inder > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I will get back to the words of my late Teacher Shri > > B..V.Raman:who can say say definetely what can happen except the > > creator of this universe Brahma.Astrology is only an indicative of > > things to happen. > > > So Lagna,pancham and Navam are only the crutches to make a > cruise > > in this ocean.Try ,test and procees.The signals emanted controlling > > the events can only be known through Astrology.Not certainly be all > > and end of it > > > Thanx > > > Krishnan > > > > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > Absolutely right! > > > We need not have to face destiny, but can stop to be puppets of > > > destiny, because that destiny has given > > > us all the knowledge to do so! Whether we call it destiny or > > karma, > > > it always has rigid(san~cita) and flexible(prarabdha) parts. > > > > > > If my two questions could make some members clinging just on to > > > dictums, think once more before giving hasty prediction/suggestion > > > while matching charts, cheers! > > > > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > What ever may be fields of knowledge made available by our > > reverred > > > seers,the application of these preachings are left to the wisdom > > of > > > the Humans.Humans in their own wisdom have their acts to gether > > >in > > > the process one is confident the other is shake and the last one > > has > > > no faith on his success based on the trend he is experiencing.But > > a > > > ray of hope always persists.So there is need to: > > > > "Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of Knowledge > > > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > > > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth > from > > > THAT > > > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > > > > saraNam kleSha haraNam" > > > > to remeber God's and consult Astrologers >it is only to be > > gaining > > > confidence and make good beginning and fulfil his wish. > > > > our prayers are meant only to boost our Atma Viswas to face > > success > > > and defeat equally.we expect good partner ,good life and good > > > children.All hopes till we fufil and so there is in built > > nervousness > > > in all of us. > > > > Destiny no doubt rules.But how do we face? > > > > only by procastination?krishnan > > > > > > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Marriages are made in Heaven, though sometimes they end up in > > the > > > > Hell; well that is a different issue! > > > > Marriages are decided by the destiny, well YES! But why only > > > > marriage?..there are many other things - rather > > > > all other things determied by the Destiny/Almighty/God or > > whatever > > > > you call it. To be frank, famous quote- > > > > "RNaanubandha roopeNa Pashu-Patni-Suta-AalayaaH" clearly says > > that > > > > Animals(Pets)-Wife(Spouse)-Son(Children)-House(Abode) > > > > are always determined by the DESTINY, and one's owings(RNa) in > > > > this/past life. Of course all these are ruled > > > > by sancita-KARMA. > > > > > > > > Still, all consult astrologers to know about > > > > Spouse/Children/House/Cattle/pets.....! When one convicts in > > > destiny, > > > > astrologer never comes to picture at all. Can he influence your > > > > destiny? Never! If he can, THAT is also a part of > > > > your destiny! The work of an astrologer is to act as a > > COUNSELLOR > > > and > > > > use the tool of ASTROLOGY to clarify the client. > > > > THAT is why astrolgers are being consulted even today. > > > > > > > > Is everything pre-determined? If so what is the use in asking > > for a > > > > remedy? It is something like asking your doctor to > > > > save a patient on deathbed! Still we do it! Why do you think I > > keep > > > > on stressing on REALISING oneself? It would be > > > > worth noting that Adi ShankaraCarya, who drank the Ocean of > > > Knowledge > > > > (Jn~aana) of Mantra-Yantra-Tantra and other divine > > > > powers etc, prays to goddess Mother(since we all took birth > from > > > THAT > > > > supreme)..."Na Mantram no Yantram...Maatah tvadanu > > > > saraNam kleSha haraNam"(Oh Mother, I do not know yantra, > mantra, > > > > stages of your worship, mudras...nor even know how to cry! > > > > But I know that following you will solve my problems!) > > > > > > > > hope I am clear to at least some members! > > > > > > > > yours > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > My view is that whether you match the horoscopes, nadi, star > > etc > > > or > > > > > not, the two persons destined to marry would certainly marry > > each > > > > > other. > > > > > If their marriage is not wirtten, then something would occur > > like > > > > > going to an astrologer and finding non compatibility of > charts > > > etc, > > > > > and they will end up not getting married. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > hello friends, > > > > > > marriages are made in heaven whether some body is happy or > > un > > > > > happy.If un happy people think of this fine art and eager to > > > > > quiz.When things go well the efforts of mankind are superior > > to > > > the > > > > > Inventor of mankind. > > > > > > Fortunate that in our country the legacy left is > > > > > different.willingly un willingly every family thinks of some > > > > > God.Increase their confidence and start their daily routine. > > > > > > My teacher penticoast christian taught me the importance of > > > > > prayer.My friend Azeem bhai always inspired with the need to > > > > > devotion to Almighty. > > > > > > Today with the past of intution and jyotish we have seen > > > > marriages > > > > > which have been performed after consulting a jyotish.Also > > > marriages > > > > > have also taken place without the guidance of Astrologer and > > had > > > > > successful family events. > > > > > > Then in jyotish we never deal only with present and we also > > > think > > > > > of the past beyond the present and also goes for the next > > borth > > > too. > > > > > > let's not find the reliabilty factor by collating the > events > > > and > > > > > say jyotish is right or utterly wrong. > > > > > > After all matching for marriage is only to avoid any > discord > > > that > > > > > may be foreseen in the lives of two unknown persons.It is a > > > > positive > > > > > approach and understanding.That is where we rely on data and > > > > > confirmation. > > > > > > Am I wrong in my understanding? > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > tajillusions <tajillusions> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Natural scheme of jyotish experienced by jyotishis: > > > > > > data --> delinetion/prediction --> sometimes confirmation > > > > > > > > > > > > Why reverse the time-tested progression, Teacher? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > > > <kadrudra> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS NOT TO TEST ANYONE BUT TO ENJOY > > DISCUSSION > > > BY > > > > > > > SHARING KNOWLEDGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting cases wrt current discussions; Let us enjoy > it > > > like > > > > > a > > > > > > > quiz, though many of us know it well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > > > A couple want to know if they can marry even if they are > > of > > > > same > > > > > > star- > > > > > > > NADI, and have moderate Grahamaitra, with total > > > > > > > match points crossing 18 of 36. There are no other > > problems > > > in > > > > > > match > > > > > > > or chart. What is your answer? Explain with valid reasons. > > > > > > > (Please do not include any remedy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1-A: Case1 + What if the couple have same star? > > > > > > > Case 1-B: Case 1A + What if the couple have same star > > quarter > > > > > > (Paada)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case2: > > > > > > > A couple with same star are married with match points > more > > > than > > > > > 18 > > > > > > > and living happily; but they want to know whether > > > > > > > 'SOME' mismatch like NADI/RAJJU/MAHENDRA..etc would > affect > > > > their > > > > > > > marriage at any point of time? > > > > > > > What is your answer? Explain with Valid Reasons. (Please > do > > > not > > > > > > > include any remedy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2A: Case2 + Would it affect their children or > parents? > > > > > > > (Star/chart has no such indication) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all members are welcome to share their views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > document.write(''); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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