2-Shripal, feeling tired when Sani went back into Gemini? & turning Malefics into Benefics!> Mark Kincaid

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Howdy....Shripal:

 

See below:

 

 

 

> Shripal <d_shripal

> Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:55:49 -0800 (PST)

> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> RE:feeling tired when Sani went back into Gemini? > Mark Kincaid

>

> Hi,

>

> AS a two week ago,as I was feeling all alone

> ,sad,all aloof and very uncomfortable with myself.But

> I kept my patience going and when actual transit,that

> is sani came back into gemini,It's still in a Gap,But

> life has again become in full swing,I am enjoying much

> than ever I would have.I have absolutely no idea How

> did that become.

 

I know how you feel.

 

I felt a similar thing, as Saturn was going into my 10th house of Cancer,

I too was noticing how the general 'bliss' of the feeling level was less.

 

But, perhaps, because I have been watching Saturn more and more closely for

over 8 / 2 1/2 year periods,.... I noticed Saturn's presence moving into my

10th house....

 

and it felt like a big boulder, that had moved onto the highway of my 10th

house...

 

and though my first tendency was to just move around 'that' boulder, and

keep going,....

 

but because I knew Saturn's role and goal is to teach us to have more deep,

presence of silence, wherever it is....

 

I was more willing then in the past, to let go, and surrender....to

'this'.....

 

As a result, my experience was more about, or like, learning to enjoy the

Waning Moon, at deeper and deeper moments of smallness....

 

Saturn teaches us, especially in Cancer,.... when and how, to enjoy more

'silence' in the Cancer, mind!

 

Cancer represents the home of the Moon, for all of us, so as such,.... the

mind, and especially the feelings are strongly influenced by Saturn's

movement into Cancer!

 

 

 

Sometimes it's very mysterious thing

> about life itself.One point you are nowhere and

> suddenly next morning you have everything.Looking back

> you will not believe what you had been through.

>

This is why I've enjoyed soooo much doing a chart for each day....

for over 18 years....now....

 

First, just realizing that there's a good 'reason' why we're feeling the way

we are...

 

And, then, being able to find that 'good' reason, either in the transits,

dasas, or even, just

in our charts!

 

is very powerful, and empowering....

 

> Even saturn would have just change a sign on 13-14th

> Jan,But you can even see from posting in Groups.Things

> have changed,I want to discuss anything,Just bring it

> to me.I want to have fun,flirt adn talk about

> business.Don't stand in front of me,Else I will

> destroy each of you,Full of confidant and not scared

> to fight even with my Boss.I am going to be a winner.I

> will get what I want.

>

> Toaday whenI am writing this,Moon is exalted,Iam on

> top of the world,It's in my 8th house,But being a Lord

> of 11th,I am in good terms with my friend and full

> authority.

 

If Moon's Exalted in Taurus, in your 8th house, don't you have a Libra

rising...?

And if you do, wouldn't the Moon be Lord of your 10th?

 

 

 

AS my Lagna Saturn is aspecting this Moon

> and Lagna Moon,Sun sextile with this Transit Moon.My

> Saturn,Mars,Jupiter and Rahu is squaring this Moon,

 

Let's not use this Western Astrology term, 'squaring' unless we say,

according to Western...

 

I find it too confusing to mix up the 2 classifications of terms...

 

 

As

> aspect is 75%,I am seeing more in to Jupiter as a

> stronger,Placement + aspectwise.In morning I meet my

> religious Spiritual Guruji,as he came to my

> house,feeling was good,

 

Remember, that Jupiter is casting it's 'full' 9th house aspect onto

Taurus, and the fairly exact degrees of Jupiter,....'right now'....

 

I'm having powerful, spiritual dreams and getting up and doing Jyotish,

and you're having a 'guru' come to your house!

 

While coming to office I had a

> fun with my colleagues in a bus adn now in offic I

> have replied everyone adn currently writing my

> experience about current transit that I am

> experience.Not to forget day before yesterday I had a

> meeting with Boss and After coming out,I felt like I

> was Boss,Life is in full tune again.

>

> If you want to tackle satunr,Be saturn.Want to tackle

> Mars, Be Martian,Want to tackle Moon, be

> cool,smile,laugh and world will luagh with you.I hope

> I am not being too much.

>

> specially for you Mark,My experience of current

> Transit.Tell me if I am missing something.

 

There's always more and more.... wisdom that we can grow within...

 

But, this next month,....lets' start talking about things we might do,

to turn,.... the more negative, classic,.... qualities of malefic

'influences'....

into more benefic positive ones!

 

That's the most interesting part of Jyotish, to me, now, anyway.....

 

My Guru has said: "If Jyotish contains the ability to see the future,...and

even, the dangers on the horizon,.... if it didn't also contain the wisdom

of changeing or eliminating those same 'dangers',....then, it would almost

be better not to know our futures"....

 

I get that, but since Jyotish also contains the wisdom of how to start

turning 'malefics' into 'benefics'....let's start talking about

this,....too....

 

 

We have a good opportunity, for this,....because of the Moon's movement into

and through Gemini, starting tomorrow.....and over the next few days....

 

will feel dramatically like running into a tornado, after the last wonderful

days of Moon's Exaltation in Taurus....

 

Let's do a little Jyotish experiment....!

 

Let's see if we can adjust, do something....to be more in-tune with Saturn,

.....

in our daily lives....

 

and see if this up-coming Saturn/Moon, 'conjunction',.....isn't happier then

past ones!

 

 

#1...suggestions....

 

Over the next few days,....let's be more easy....

follow the naturalness in your environment...

 

If things take longer, then normal, instead of getting irritated or angry,

let's let go, and accept,

the need for more time,....

 

#2.....If we start to feel 'rougher',...let's be prepared....to take more

time, for rest,....

for meditation,....for rejuvenation....

 

And see if both these 'things' don't help us....start to move normally, more

malefic acting Saturn, into it's more benefic possibility!

 

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

>

>> a lot of people notice a dramatic shift due to

>> 'retrograde' motions...

>>

>> but also, traditionally, some has been written

>> about, when planets go

>> through the 'gaps' between signs...

>>

>> In both cases, 'tiredness', is a sure sign,....of

>> some need of the

>> body/heart/mind...

>>

>> What I often tell people, is....once we've learned

>> to understand the

>> symbolisms.... of the various planets, ....even

>> having an incomplete idea as

>> to exactly why....

>>

>> still, that can still lead us to adjusting, and

>> getting more rest....right

>> 'then'....

>>

>>

>>

>> ciao

>>

>>

>> Mark K.

>>

>>

>>

>> "Sabri" <korua

>> Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:38:26 -0000

>> vedic astrology

>> [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Sabri,

>> RE:Saturn/Moon conj.vs.

>> 3rd,7th&10th house aspects..., which is stronger? >

>> Mark Kincaid

>>

>>

>>

>> Hi Again,

>>

>> Well not connected with Moon transiting Saturn, but

>> the moment

>> Saturn retrograded into Gemini, for me there was an

>> unexpected and

>> very sharp onset of feeling of tiredness. Maybe this

>> is due to

>> something else, but normally I do not expect such

>> sudden shifts, up

>> to this experience I would not consider Saturn's

>> effect, half degree

>> on this side of the border or the other to be

>> different, but it

>> seemed to be the case.

>>

>> Any comments?

>>

>> Take care, Sabri.

>>

>>

>> vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

>> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

>>> Sure,.... Moon conjunction with Saturn,....seems

>> most intense...

>>>

>>> and 3rd house aspect is also saturish.....but

>> slightly less....

>>>

>>> now, the 7th house aspect is interesting, ....

>> it's almost

>> slightly more

>>> then the 3rd house aspect...

>>> and the 10th house aspect seems the least

>> intense....

>>>

>>> I'd be curious to hear other people's experiences

>> of Saturn....

>>>

>>>

>>> Mark

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Sabri" <korua@e...>

>>> Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:54:59 -0000

>>> vedic astrology

>>> [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Sabri, RE:

>> Aspect v/s Placement,

>> which is

>>> stronger? > Mark Kincaid

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi Mark,

>>>

>>> Yes, so nice to hear from you.

>>> Thanks so much for sharing your experiences which

>> are "always"

>>> wonderful.

>>>

>>> Just one more thing; Have you noticed any

>> difference between

>> Chandra

>>> transiting past Shani, and transiting Shani's 3rd.

>> house aspect,

>>> just curious.

>>>

>>> Jai Guru,

>>> Take care,

>>> Sabri.

>>>

>>>

>>> vedic astrology, Mark

>> Kincaid

>>> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

>>>> Dear Sabri:

>>>>

>>>> My experience, most of the time seems that the

>> 'effects' of 2

>>> planets being

>>>> together,..... in the same house, is

>> stronger....

>>>> more intense, for better or for worse,...

>>>>

>>>> then aspects...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And as to your Q. re. Moon/Saturn,....this is

>> where I first

>>> learned that you

>>>> could experience in the transits, the kind of

>> verification of

>>> Jyotish's

>>>> rules and principles...

>>>>

>>>> I'll never forget it... I was watching the Moon

>> one time, years

>>> ago, and I

>>>> even noticed that 'now' familiar Saturnish

>> feeling as the Moon

>>> even began

>>>> approaching Saturn.

>>>>

>>>> Then, that 'intensity' grew stronger and

>> stronger, the closer the

>>> two got,

>>>> and then, whooosh.... immediately as the Moon

>> went past Saturn,

>>> that same

>>>> 'intensity' became less and less....

>>>>

>>>> Then, when the Moon went into the very next

>> sign, I was amazed

>> but

>>> that

>>>> feeling of Saturn 'intensity' stopped....

>>>>

>>>> I forgot about it, for a few days, then, I began

>> to 'feel' that

>>> same kind of

>>>> Saturnish,....feeling coming back a few days.

>>>>

>>>> So, I checked on the Transits again, and wow!,

>> the Moon had

>>> literally, moved

>>>> into that next '3rd House aspect' from Saturn...

>>>>

>>>> That was my first experience of verifying the

>> rules of Jyotish,

>> in

>>> these

>>>> Transits.

>>>>

>>>> I think that's why I like to have people try and

>> learn to 'feel'

>>> these

>>>> Transits. Because if they can, then the rules

>> and principles of

>>> Jyotish

>>>> will not only 'come' more easily, but they'll be

>> understood much

>>> more

>>>> deeply.

>>>>

>>>> Hey!, ...nice hearing from you!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ciao

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Mark K.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> another similar experience I have is with Moon &

>> Jupiter...

>>>>

>>>> For example when Moon is with Jupiter the effect

>> is strong, then,

>>>> when the Moon moves into the house, 5 houses

>> away, you can still

>>> feel that

>>>> same Moon/Jupiter experience that you felt

>> earlier, but now, it's

>>> slightly

>>>> less strong...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> "Sabri" <korua@e...>

>>>>> Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:47:34 -0000

>>>>> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>

>>>>> Re: 2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all,

>> RE: Aspect v/s

>>> Placement, > Mark

>>>>> Kincaid

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Hi Mark,

>>>>>

>>>>> So what is your experience through watching

>> transits; in

>>> comparing

>>>>> two planets in the same house, and one

>> aspecting the other

>>> (talking

>>>>> about planets in transit).

>>>>> E.g. what was the experience when Chandra was

>> transiting a

>> house

>>>>> aspected by Shani? Did you also feel the

>> effect of Shani on

>>> Chandra,

>>>>> was it as strong, or less or somewhat

>> different.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks so much for sharing your experiences,

>> with us,

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes, Sabri.

>>>>>

>>>>> vedic astrology, Mark

>> Kincaid

>>>>> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

>>>>>> Hi Ramakrishna ,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No sirji,What you said I have already talked

>> about

>>>>>> that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as

>>>>>> placement means Venus when aspect from pisces

>> gives

>>>>>> same results

>>>>>> as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full

>> effect,not

>>>>>> a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be

>> maximum.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> When planet is aspecting some house, without

>> any

>>>>>> planets in it,means effect will be equvalent

>> to

>>>>>> placement.Aspect and Placement we are talking

>> about is

>>>>>> quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will

>> depend

>>>>>> upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed

>> etc.OK.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --- Ramakrishna <ramki@w...> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Shipal & All:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish,

>> ahhh, no pun

>> intended,

>>>>> heheeheh.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> But, another really good way to tell whether

>> 'conjunction', or

>>>>> when a planet

>>>>>> is in a house,

>>>>>> or opposite another house, or even in it's

>> aspectings,.... is

>> to

>>>>> look at

>>>>>> these through the eyes,

>>>>>> of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly

>> transits....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Watch the Moon for example.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> When the Moon moves through the sky and moves

>> through our

>>> charts,

>>>>> especially

>>>>>> when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can

>> start to

>> realize...the

>>>>> real truths

>>>>>> of Jyotish.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For example, when the Moon is getting bigger,

>> like now, and

>> then

>>>>> when it

>>>>>> moves through the different signs, and

>> especially moves into

>>>>> similar houses

>>>>>> with other planets.... you can really feel

>> those!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn conjunction

>> starting in

>> about 2

>>>>> days....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at

>> the 3rd degree, so

>>>>> still a lot

>>>>>> of Exaltedness, left....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the

>> Moon will move into

>>>>> Gemini, where

>>>>>> it will come within 30 degrees of any planets

>> in Gemini.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into

>> Gemini, so soon,

>> the

>>>>> Moon &

>>>>>> Saturn will be conjunct.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, everyone watch how you feel.... now...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that

>> Saturn/Moon

>> conjunction...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then, compare these feelings with the

>> feelings that come next

>>> when

>>>>> the Moon

>>>>>> moves past Saturn and into the next sign...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That will be quite a shift this month/year,

>> especially because

>>> the

>>>>> Moon

>>>>>> feels soooo happy in Cancer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will

>> be in Cancer, it's

>>> Own

>>>>>> Sign,....but then,

>>>>>> the Moon will move into Leo, which is farther

>> and farther away

>>> from

>>>>>> Saturn,....but....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> the Moon will be in a sign, where it's

>> supposed to fall under

>>> the

>>>>> 3rd house

>>>>>> 'aspect' of Saturn...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn

>> feeling that

>> happened

>>>>> when

>>>>>> Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't

>> feel that same

>>> flavor.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then, when the Moon, continues around the

>> sky, next it will

>> move

>>>>> into

>>>>>> Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely

>> opposite to Saturn,

>>> in

>>>>> Gemini,

>>>>>> and then, when Moon moves into Pisces,

>> Saturn's 10th House

>>> aspect

>>>>> is

>>>>>> supposed to kick in.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish

>> are more strong

>> and

>>>>> give very

>>>>>> practical understanding that will allow us to

>> understand the

>>> same

>>>>> kind of

>>>>>> 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements

>> as you say; that

>> are

>>>>> in our

>>>>>> charts.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hope this helps....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sincerely,

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ps.... instead of asking people to guess

>> about your chart, why

>>>>> don't you

>>>>>> share with people, your experience which are

>> stronger.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For example, in my chart, I have Moon &

>> Saturn together in the

>>>>> 12th house,

>>>>>> only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well, believe me, I can say with complete

>> reliability, that

>> the

>>>>> consequence

>>>>>> of this 'configuration' has been very

>> striking to me.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Plenty of feelings of isolation, loneliness,

>> sadness, even

>>>>> depression

>>>>>> growing up.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And as I learned my chart I could 'feel'

>> Saturn's aspects into

>>> my

>>>>> 3rd house,

>>>>>> and 6th house.... especially.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being in

>> the 12th, but, my

>>> 2nd

>>>>> house of

>>>>>> speech was very much effected too, and I was

>> extremely shy in

>>>>> school, had a

>>>>>> very difficult time getting up and speaking

>> in class, etc.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in Pisces,

>> in my 6th and at

>>> the

>>>>> very same

>>>>>> time I had all these, problems of Moon/Saturn

>> in the

>> 12th,.... I

>>>>> found some

>>>>>> very good qualities due to Jupiter.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> First of all, I had pretty good health.

>> Secondly I noticed

>> that

>>>>> Saturn's

>>>>>> normal negative aspect upon the Sign opposite

>> to itself, was

>>>>> probably,

>>>>>> improved due to Jupiter's simultaneous aspect

>> back, upon

>> Saturn

>>>>> and the

>>>>>> Moon.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I could also 'feel' all the good qualities of

>> Jupiter's

>> supposed

>>>>> influence

>>>>>> upon the Sign opposite it!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I also had many of the predictatively 'good'

>> qualities of

>>> Jupiter

>>>>> upon the

>>>>>> Moon, which was a clear example of the 7th

>> House 'aspect'.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter.

>> Jupiter's supposed

>> to

>>>>> influence

>>>>>> not only the Sign where it is, but also 5

>> Houses away in

>>> addition

>>>>> to the

>>>>>> classic 7th house aspect.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And I could really feel that too. Jupiter in

>> the 6th, then,

>>> casts

>>>>> it's 5th

>>>>>> house aspect into the 10th house, where I

>> have Cancer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And from as long as I can remember I 'knew'

>> that I wanted to

>> be

>>> a

>>>>> teacher.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> First of all, I loved teachers growing up, I

>> loved watching

>>> them,

>>>>> and

>>>>>> admired them greatly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> These qualities are good examples of

>> Jupiter's 5th house

>> aspect.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And finally, when I try and look and find,

>> Jupiter's 9th house

>>>>> aspect, I

>>>>>> find that Jupiter's supposed to be aspecting

>> my 2nd house.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's aspect

>> from the 12th,

>>> but,

>>>>> I felt

>>>>>> also another influence which later I realized

>> was probably

>>>>> Jupiter's which

>>>>>> wanted to be able to speak and express

>> myself.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or

>> transform Saturn's

>>>>> negative

>>>>>> 'glances' into more positive one's, I began

>> to feel more

>>>>> comfortable

>>>>>> speaking and eventually became quite

>> comfortable in front of a

>>>>> crowd, or

>>>>>> even lecturing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing about

>> how you've come

>> to

>>>>> understand

>>>>>> and experience your chart, too. I'd love to

>> hear your own

>>> private

>>>>>> experiences as to the effects of the Planets

>> 'in' different

>>>>> houses/signs,

>>>>>> and their simultaneous effects upon, opposite

>> signs and

>> houses.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sincerely,

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Mark Kincaid

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> founder Nature's Astrology....

>>>>>> m.kincaid@m...

>>>>>> 641 472-0000

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Shripal <d_shripal>

>>>>>> AyurvedJyotishYoga

>>>>>> Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST)

>>>>>> navlakshya

>>>>>> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect v/s

>> Placement

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Let's take this birth data of mine.

>>>>>> Name:shripal

>>>>>> Place:Rajkot,Gujarat

>>>>>> Time:21:00

>>>>>> date:16th March 1980

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter + Rahu

>> all

>>>>>> retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All this

>> planets

>>>>>> are aspecting or influencing each

>> other.Correct.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are together.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3)However Venus is in 7th house.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 4)Know planets aspecting first house are

>> Saturn

>>>>>> 100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of

>> that house

>>>>>> too and placed with Venus in enemy house.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with

>> Mars +

>>>>>> saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets

>> aspect to

>>>>>> venus is 50% mutually.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so

>> aspect

>>>>>> mutually is 25%.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So you tell me about my personality and

>>>>>> thoughts,regarding my looks and approach

>> towards

>>>>>> life.Which planet will be most influential

>> with

>>>>>> rescpect,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd qualities

>> that i

>>>>>> have and i will achieve.

>>>>>> 2)4th house that is my mother or staying

>> place

>>>>>> 3)7th house that is my wife or partners

>>>>>> 4)5th house that is my education,Romance and

>>>>>> Mantra,Tantra etc.

>>>>>> 5)9th house my spiritual inclination.

>>>>>> 6)11th house my friends,relationship with

>> them anf

>>>>>> gains.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You give me predictions for each and every of

>> my above

>>>>>> points and I will let you know how much truth

>> about

>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So we can come to conclusion what all houses

>> aspect is

>>>>>> more effective and where palcement is

>> effective.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Which one is more stronger aspect or

>> Placement.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --- Jyotish Volunteers <primusjyotishi>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Not clear why you called placement as a one

>> time

>>>>>>> influence while

>>>>>>> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please

>> elaborate a

>>>>>>> bit more.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> navlakshya, Shripal

>>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Guruji,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That theory will not work here.aspect is

>> not

>>>>>>>> influencing anybody.So your example I will

>> say

>>>>>>> there

>>>>>>>> is no aspect at all.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Aspect mean you can do

>> something,influencing

>>>>>>>> someone.when you are seeing means just

>> seeing.

>>>>>>>> Planets just don't see,they influence.In

>> fact a

>>>>>>> very

>>>>>>>> very great influence.As good as seating and

>> seeing

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> same for them.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> But let me try to twist your Example,If

>> that

>>>>>>> killer

>>>>>>>> seating find he is a son of his Boss or His

>> father

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of

>> his

>>>>>>> father

>>>>>>>> not even in his presence,what will be

>>>>>>> outcome.Aspect

>>>>>>>> or Placement.So i guess who is influencing

>> whom

>>>>>>> rather

>>>>>>>> than just seating.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> And now if you are saying,even he know's

>> still he

>>>>>>> want

>>>>>>>> to kill that person seating beside him,than

>> ready

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>> a outcome of aspect that is influencing

>> that guy.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That's what I said it in first

>> posting.Strong

>>>>>>>> Placement's of planets is like a one time

>>>>>>> promotion or

>>>>>>>> act of that movement instantly.Aspect is

>> like

>>>>>>> constant

>>>>>>>> movement increasing manner or detoriating

>>>>>>>> movement.Placement is like switch on and

>> Off.while

>>>>>>>> aspect is like Volume button.It influences

>> your

>>>>>>> daily

>>>>>>>> life.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5>

>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear Shripal

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Please tell me the outcome of the

>> following

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You are with a killer, a bad man in the

>> same

>>>>>>> bus, in

>>>>>>>>> the same seat

>>>>>>>>> you are in a bus, and killer is in another

>> bus,

>>>>>>> he

>>>>>>>>> is looking at you.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> WHich makes you more comfortable?

>>>>>>>>> best wishes

>>>>>>>>> partha

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> navlakshya, Shripal

>>>>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Hi sureshji,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> your Explantion and Prediction is

>> wonderful.I

>>>>>>>>> myself

>>>>>>>>>> found aspect are more powerful than

>>>>>>>>> Placements.Even

>>>>>>>>>> when I have checked Let say Libra rising

>> and

>>>>>>>>> Saturn in

>>>>>>>>>> Lagna.so this person should possess all

>> the

>>>>>>>>> qualities

>>>>>>>>>> of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not

>> there

>>>>>>> at

>>>>>>>>>> all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th

>> house

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> aspecting this saturn.so this person is

>> more

>>>>>>> like

>>>>>>>>>> Martian,rather than saturn like.Even

>> placement

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> Mars is also weak,still aspect is working

>> very

>>>>>>>>> well

>>>>>>>>>> than Placement of Saturn.As mars is enemy

>> to

>>>>>>>>>> saturn,still it destroy what ever

>> saturn's

>>>>>>> result

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> imbibe his resuls in that individual.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I concluded that Aspect should be given a

>>>>>>> higher

>>>>>>>>>> priority.

>>>>>>>>>> --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag>

>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Namasthe

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Aspect of any planet is more

>> powerful

>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>> its

>>>>>>>>>>> association. It is

>>>>>>>>>>> said that if two malefics are in

>> association

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>> brings decieses and if

>>>>>>>>>>> a third aspects it brings death. This

>> could

>>>>>>> mean

>>>>>>>>> two

>>>>>>>>>>> things aspect by

>>>>>>>>>>> a (malefic) planet is more potent than

>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> association of two

>>>>>>>>>>> (malefics). Agin in another text

>>>>>>>>>>> "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange arura

>>>>>>>>> asrigbhava"

>>>>>>>>>>> Saturn if

>>>>>>>>>>> aspected by sun or mars will produce

>>>>>>> eruptions

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> boils on the right

>>>>>>>>>>> side of the body due to impure blood.

>> (Cause

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> death) this sloka

>>>>>>>>>>> further explains: "Guruna swayathupathe

>>>>>>>>> dakshinange

>>>>>>>>>>> cha vedana".

>>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter produces swelling of the feets

>> of

>>>>>>> pain

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>> the body.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> There are many such examples which shows

>> the

>>>>>>>>> power

>>>>>>>>>>> of aspects of planets.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> In the example given by you Saturn in

>> the

>>>>>>> 8th

>>>>>>>>> house

>>>>>>>>>>> may confer long

>>>>>>>>>>> life depending on the stregth of Saturn

>> in

>>>>>>> amsa

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> sun . but one

>>>>>>>>>>> cannot rule out the physical ailments

>> that

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>> signifies. Please note

>>>>>>>>>>> that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting

>> the

>>>>>>> Karma

>>>>>>>>>>> Sthana as well as

>>>>>>>>>>> dhanasthana and is placed in the atma

>> karaka

>>>>>>> /

>>>>>>>>> pitur

>>>>>>>>>>> karaka Sun. Being

>>>>>>>>>>> an enemy, he may face many problems with

>> his

>>>>>>>>>>> parents. Highly egoistic

>>>>>>>>>>> and in always conflict with oneself. He

>>>>>>> creates

>>>>>>>>>>> wealth by his own

>>>>>>>>>>> efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help

>>>>>>> saturn in

>>>>>>>>>>> this process of

>>>>>>>>>>> creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in

>> mutual

>>>>>>>>> aspect -

>>>>>>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and

>>>>>>>>>>> labhadhipathy) He may create wealth

>> through

>>>>>>>>> property

>>>>>>>>>>> deals and

>>>>>>>>>>> speculations (High risk) due to the

>> position

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> mars

>>>>>>>>>>> in taurus and

>>>>>>>>>>> jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy).

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> But he may expect some downfall (sudden

>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> unexpected) as the Saturn

>>>>>>>>>>> is the satru rasi and Jupiter aspecting

>> is

>>>>>>> also

>>>>>>>>> 12th

>>>>>>>>>>> rasi ord

>>>>>>>>>>> (Vyayasthanadhipathy).

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> This person may not happy in life in

>> spite

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> being

>>>>>>>>>>> a successfull

>>>>>>>>>>> business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being a

>>>>>>> Sathru

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> Saturn -

>>>>>>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo

>>>>>>> aspecting

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> Atma Karaka

>>>>>>>>>>> griha's Neecha Rasi)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you putting such queries. give

>> your

>>>>>>>>> comments.

>>>>>>>>>>> Have no doubt that aspect is more potent

>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>> yoga

>>>>>>>>>>> expecially that of

>>>>>>>>>>> saturn . Remember Ravana had his

>> downfall

>>>>>>> when

>>>>>>>>>>> saturn in transit

>>>>>>>>>>> reached his seventh house. I have seen

>> many

>>>>>>>>> persons

>>>>>>>>>>> who were sitting

>>>>>>>>>>> at the pinacles of their carrer/life

>> fall to

>>>>>>>>> nothing

>>>>>>>>>>> when saturn

>>>>>>>>>>> traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th house

>>>>>>> either

>>>>>>>>> from

>>>>>>>>>>> ascendant or moon

>>>>>>>>>>> sign.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> May Lord Bless You.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Suresh Bbu.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> vedic astrology,

>>>>>>> Shripal

>>>>>>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Planetary aspect should be given more

>>>>>>>>> important or

>>>>>>>>>>>> palcement,which one would be powerful.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house

>> in

>>>>>>>>> Leo.so

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now

>>>>>>> Jupiter

>>>>>>>>>>> placed in

>>>>>>>>>>>> 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here

>> aspect

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> Trine

>>>>>>>>>>>> that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by

>>>>>>> Jupiter.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> But being in Leo,it is in enemies house

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> 50%

>>>>>>>>>>> aspect

>>>>>>>>>>>> to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn

>> thrid

>>>>>>>>> aspect

>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> 10th house that is his own exalted sign

>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>> give

>>>>>>>>>>>> benefic result or malefic result,by how

>>>>>>> much.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus

>> ans

>>>>>>>>> ,Mars is

>>>>>>>>>>>> also aspecting this Saturn 100% and

>>>>>>> vice-versa

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> also

>>>>>>>>>>>> true.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> So it will try to make Saturn act

>>>>>>>>> malefically.so

>>>>>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>>>> will be a Saturn's response.Good or

>>>>>>> TooBad.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

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