A question that has been bothering me all my life!

[Guest guest]

Now that we as a group, thanks to Kali Awatar Internet, have

undoubtedly reached and hopefully exceeded that critical mass that I

had been anxiously waiting for like a Chaatak bird who keeps looking

at the source of illumination and that has the solution to his

misery, his thirst ...

 

We are all beholden to jyotish and we fight vehemently for our

beliefs in strong and weak ways, but always passionately and truly,

and I have yet to find an astrologer/astrology student here who is

not true to his/her belief in astrology, whatever other flavours and

biases or leanings he or she might have had.

 

Here is my dilemma -- there have been written umpteen million shlokas

and their translations and their transcriptions and reiterations and

so on on matters astrological and yet I have not found anyone who can

answer the following call, with certainty and confident success:

 

Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later) given the

birthdata?

 

And yet we hear that jyotish can tell one's name and where a mole is

situated on the body!

 

Please don't quote me slokas and combinations that fizzle out readily

when put to test.

 

And if your experience has been like mine, then why is this so (why

can we not tell these obvious, unambiguous things and attributes) and

what does that tell us about what the horoscope and astrology is

supposed to tell us?

 

Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Rohini ji,

 

I think if you see today`s astrology i do doubt how many people will

be really interested in knowing the answers to the questions that

you have asked. The curiousity to know the future is more from the

perspective of events and well being rather than knowing gender,

race or religion. More importantly race and religion is something

which has come into picture due to the geographic location(race) and

practices which came into picture either preached by someone or

found in texts(religion). A person could change his religion or

preach more than one religion. There are few streams of astrology

like nadi which can to a certain extent do that also. But it is more

done by asking questions than by birthdata.

 

For the gender part, nishek lagna could be helpful to some extent

but again the birthdata should be accurate.

 

For your part where you have mentioned that we hear that jyotish can

tell one's name and where a mole is situated on the body, we can go

by a simple principle(one advocated by you also) of testing out such

methods. Hearing is not believing.

 

 

Gaurav

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

>

> Now that we as a group, thanks to Kali Awatar Internet, have

> undoubtedly reached and hopefully exceeded that critical mass that

I

> had been anxiously waiting for like a Chaatak bird who keeps

looking

> at the source of illumination and that has the solution to his

> misery, his thirst ...

>

> We are all beholden to jyotish and we fight vehemently for our

> beliefs in strong and weak ways, but always passionately and

truly,

> and I have yet to find an astrologer/astrology student here who is

> not true to his/her belief in astrology, whatever other flavours

and

> biases or leanings he or she might have had.

>

> Here is my dilemma -- there have been written umpteen million

shlokas

> and their translations and their transcriptions and reiterations

and

> so on on matters astrological and yet I have not found anyone who

can

> answer the following call, with certainty and confident success:

>

> Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

> Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

> can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later) given

the

> birthdata?

>

> And yet we hear that jyotish can tell one's name and where a mole

is

> situated on the body!

>

> Please don't quote me slokas and combinations that fizzle out

readily

> when put to test.

>

> And if your experience has been like mine, then why is this so

(why

> can we not tell these obvious, unambiguous things and attributes)

and

> what does that tell us about what the horoscope and astrology is

> supposed to tell us?

>

> Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

As rightly noted, astro combinations or quotes would not help here.

I would stress again on the moment which decides the TRIAD of

astrologer-query-querist, since the degree of accuracy of answer

to any of these questions depends directly on THAT particular moment.

If the querist is 'eligible' to know the answer, if the

astrologer is 'capable' enough to give the answer and if the QUERY

is 'genuine' enough in its objective, no matter what the

query is, the MOMENT SATISFIES THE TRIAD.

 

With all said above, it is very difficult to judge/sense which is

a 'good' moment; rather it is felt later after the answer

is given by astrologer to the querist many a times! Whatever astro-

knowledge one has, a BAD moment fails him to get accurate

solution to a problem posed to him. So answer-rain to Chaataka

Pakshis like us is available; not always, but in drops of time!

 

...Just my drop of water

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> I think if you see today`s astrology i do doubt how many people

will

> be really interested in knowing the answers to the questions that

> you have asked. The curiousity to know the future is more from the

> perspective of events and well being rather than knowing gender,

> race or religion. More importantly race and religion is something

> which has come into picture due to the geographic location(race)

and

> practices which came into picture either preached by someone or

> found in texts(religion). A person could change his religion or

> preach more than one religion. There are few streams of astrology

> like nadi which can to a certain extent do that also. But it is

more

> done by asking questions than by birthdata.

>

> For the gender part, nishek lagna could be helpful to some extent

> but again the birthdata should be accurate.

>

> For your part where you have mentioned that we hear that jyotish

can

> tell one's name and where a mole is situated on the body, we can go

> by a simple principle(one advocated by you also) of testing out

such

> methods. Hearing is not believing.

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Now that we as a group, thanks to Kali Awatar Internet, have

> > undoubtedly reached and hopefully exceeded that critical mass

that

> I

> > had been anxiously waiting for like a Chaatak bird who keeps

> looking

> > at the source of illumination and that has the solution to his

> > misery, his thirst ...

> >

> > We are all beholden to jyotish and we fight vehemently for our

> > beliefs in strong and weak ways, but always passionately and

> truly,

> > and I have yet to find an astrologer/astrology student here who

is

> > not true to his/her belief in astrology, whatever other flavours

> and

> > biases or leanings he or she might have had.

> >

> > Here is my dilemma -- there have been written umpteen million

> shlokas

> > and their translations and their transcriptions and reiterations

> and

> > so on on matters astrological and yet I have not found anyone who

> can

> > answer the following call, with certainty and confident success:

> >

> > Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

> > Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

> > can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later) given

> the

> > birthdata?

> >

> > And yet we hear that jyotish can tell one's name and where a mole

> is

> > situated on the body!

> >

> > Please don't quote me slokas and combinations that fizzle out

> readily

> > when put to test.

> >

> > And if your experience has been like mine, then why is this so

> (why

> > can we not tell these obvious, unambiguous things and attributes)

> and

> > what does that tell us about what the horoscope and astrology is

> > supposed to tell us?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Hello Members,

>From Astrology point of view the following have definete answers provided there

is definete belief in this approach.

Let's be sure that such questions r not meant to test the knowledge of a

simpleton who is ready to help a person and find the way to tide the good and

bad times.

Infact the questions below r not veru uncommon or for that matter difficult to

deal in Astrology,the problem always lies in the data accuracy that is given to

him to churn out the details.This makes Astrologers a very sensitive and

questionable flock as a professional.Iam sure Rohini ji is able to appreciate

the depth of the vedic approach through Astrology.What we r now interested was a

most prevalent and reverred approach.To stand to times of modernisation and

changing values(including freedom of religion) is a challenging issues before

the time tested field of knowledge.

 

"Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

> > Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

> > can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later) given

> the

> > birthdata?"

If members do not find my clarification and want to enlighten me I welcome their

views

krishnan

 

 

kadrudra <kadrudra wrote:

 

Dear All,

 

As rightly noted, astro combinations or quotes would not help here.

I would stress again on the moment which decides the TRIAD of

astrologer-query-querist, since the degree of accuracy of answer

to any of these questions depends directly on THAT particular moment.

If the querist is 'eligible' to know the answer, if the

astrologer is 'capable' enough to give the answer and if the QUERY

is 'genuine' enough in its objective, no matter what the

query is, the MOMENT SATISFIES THE TRIAD.

 

With all said above, it is very difficult to judge/sense which is

a 'good' moment; rather it is felt later after the answer

is given by astrologer to the querist many a times! Whatever astro-

knowledge one has, a BAD moment fails him to get accurate

solution to a problem posed to him. So answer-rain to Chaataka

Pakshis like us is available; not always, but in drops of time!

 

...Just my drop of water

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> I think if you see today`s astrology i do doubt how many people

will

> be really interested in knowing the answers to the questions that

> you have asked. The curiousity to know the future is more from the

> perspective of events and well being rather than knowing gender,

> race or religion. More importantly race and religion is something

> which has come into picture due to the geographic location(race)

and

> practices which came into picture either preached by someone or

> found in texts(religion). A person could change his religion or

> preach more than one religion. There are few streams of astrology

> like nadi which can to a certain extent do that also. But it is

more

> done by asking questions than by birthdata.

>

> For the gender part, nishek lagna could be helpful to some extent

> but again the birthdata should be accurate.

>

> For your part where you have mentioned that we hear that jyotish

can

> tell one's name and where a mole is situated on the body, we can go

> by a simple principle(one advocated by you also) of testing out

such

> methods. Hearing is not believing.

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Now that we as a group, thanks to Kali Awatar Internet, have

> > undoubtedly reached and hopefully exceeded that critical mass

that

> I

> > had been anxiously waiting for like a Chaatak bird who keeps

> looking

> > at the source of illumination and that has the solution to his

> > misery, his thirst ...

> >

> > We are all beholden to jyotish and we fight vehemently for our

> > beliefs in strong and weak ways, but always passionately and

> truly,

> > and I have yet to find an astrologer/astrology student here who

is

> > not true to his/her belief in astrology, whatever other flavours

> and

> > biases or leanings he or she might have had.

> >

> > Here is my dilemma -- there have been written umpteen million

> shlokas

> > and their translations and their transcriptions and reiterations

> and

> > so on on matters astrological and yet I have not found anyone who

> can

> > answer the following call, with certainty and confident success:

> >

> > Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

> > Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

> > can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later) given

> the

> > birthdata?

> >

> > And yet we hear that jyotish can tell one's name and where a mole

> is

> > situated on the body!

> >

> > Please don't quote me slokas and combinations that fizzle out

> readily

> > when put to test.

> >

> > And if your experience has been like mine, then why is this so

> (why

> > can we not tell these obvious, unambiguous things and attributes)

> and

> > what does that tell us about what the horoscope and astrology is

> > supposed to tell us?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

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