2-Krishnan & All. re. Astrology of realization > Mark Kincaid.....

December 31, 2004

Dear Krishnan:

I find it quite interesting seeing and finding the Jyotish reasons

why 'many' people are attracted to spiritual concerns.

Even our President, George Bush, has an interesting flavor.

He's got Moon & Jupiter both together in Virgo in his chart, and

though he really was a bit of a playboy, so to speak when he was

younger, now, he's found it important to him, even that he has a

kind of mission from God....

Almost anytime when Jupiter is with either the Moon, or Sun, or

in the first house, one's spiritual nature, is almost automatic, as

you said.

What I'm particularly interested in, in addition to finding the

Astrological reasons why we're the way we are....

is also figuring out what 'malefic' influences, are also involved in

our charts, and are in very real ways, sometimes undermining,

or slowing down our progress.

I'll give you an example.

I have Moon & Saturn together in my 12th house, and fully

aspected by a Jupiter in Pisces in the 6th.

So, spiritual interests came very early for me too.

However, there are some powerful negative aspects to both the

Moon & Saturn being in the 12th....

and when I learned this, and then, figured out how to literally

change and improve that part of me,...

then all the negative aspects of having those 2 important planets

in the 12th house of 'loss'..... ceased...being like that...

This is my greatest interest in Jyotish, how we can and perhaps,

are in fact, supposed, to learn certain things, which are usually

associated with our malefics...

but too often not understood that 'they' are really our

opportunities, for growth and change...

take care

nice talking with you.

Mark Kincaid

In , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Dear Mr Mark.

> Some how as a Sagittrian by ascendent and with moon in

makara I feel that iam bound by spirtuality from the child hood.I

entirely agree with your post.Also there is exchange of of 2nd lord

,saturn and 8th lord moon with .aspect of lagna lord jupiter in

11th also aspects mercury in 7th.May be other members too

would be able to test these combinations and find the results.

> Thanx

> krishnan

>

> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Rohini & All:

>

> When one studies, Jyotish/Astrology, especially....

>

> and especially utilizing the transit's system....

>

> one discovers many Astrological correlates for more spiritual

moments...

>

> I have watched these and all kinds of Astrological moments it's

very

> fascinating, to behold..

>

> I thought this year, and month, when the Sun started returning

through

> Sagittarius, this

> is a very more typical, spiritual time...

>

> and lo and behold,....we had the Holidays.... that may come

from the word,

> 'Holy days!'....

>

> and Jyotish says there aren't any planets that don't do well in

> Sagittarius...

>

> Then there are individual moments of each day, when the

Moon or Sun or even

> Mercury

> come under Jupiter's glances....

>

> Like the spiritual dharshan, we hear about...

>

> Then there's the fact that at any moment, we ourselves, can sit

down, and

> closing the eyes,

> transcend...any and all relative Astrological configurations...

>

> and contact the inner, source of Spirituality....being...

> or God... him/herself....

>

> With that potential,.... the field of Spirituality, of course, is very

> rich....

>

> Finally, in my experience.... there are 3 primary aspects of

Jyotish that

> simultaneously go on,

> and during any one of these, spiritual realities do happen...

>

> 1) We've talked about the transits, which are really the flavor of

> 'reality' coming to us, as if, from the outside.... some relative or

> mundane,....and others, more 'spiritual'....

>

> 2) Then, there are personal times in each of our lives, which

corresponding

> with unique more

> spiritual, aspects of our individual charts.... which are the

dasas,.....

> incline us more to spiritual

> experiences...

>

> Winter is like that for me..... having Saturn in the 12th.... and

since

> Saturn rules Winter, my

> experiences in the Winter, when everything slows down, and

turns more

> inward,....I am inclined for more inner experiences....

>

> meditation is deeper, more powerful....

>

> 3) And finally, there are the powerful influences of each one

of our

> charts...

>

> the details of our charts, indicate more or less spirituality,

> inclinations....and interest in developing, such a life....

>

> Nice talking with you all...

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> ps...recently started another dedicated

exclusively....to this

> topic of spirituality & Astrology....and all, are invited to join and

> participate...

>

> Spirituality_Astrology/

>

> to check it out...

>

> "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

>

> Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:00:50 -0000

>

> Astrology of realization (back to astrology)

>

> It is wonderful to be able to hear such wonderful thoughts,

some

> original, others borrowed about spirituality and meditation and

> realization etc. We are blessed that we are in the company of

not

> just wonderfully accomplished astrologers, but also thinkers,

> philosophers, spiritually advanced beings.

>

> For one who is seeking the spiritual path, what could be more

> epiphanous, more exhilerating than the moment of spiritual

> advancement. Those must indeed be moments of light that

depict a

> milestone in one's life. And, if we have been truthful about

> astrology, it must clearly show up in the charts of individuals.

>

> Any personal experiences, dear friends that you would like to

share

> with all of us. The astrology of the moment of spiritual

upliftment,

> or spiritual advancement the 'Aha!' moment in your spiritual

lives or

> perhaps in someone else's life who could be a spiritual friend

or

> peer or perhaps your teacher?

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

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December 31, 2004

Good Post

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

Dear Krishnan:

I find it quite interesting seeing and finding the Jyotish reasons

why 'many' people are attracted to spiritual concerns.

Even our President, George Bush, has an interesting flavor.

He's got Moon & Jupiter both together in Virgo in his chart, and

though he really was a bit of a playboy, so to speak when he was

younger, now, he's found it important to him, even that he has a

kind of mission from God....

Almost anytime when Jupiter is with either the Moon, or Sun, or

in the first house, one's spiritual nature, is almost automatic, as

you said.

What I'm particularly interested in, in addition to finding the

Astrological reasons why we're the way we are....

is also figuring out what 'malefic' influences, are also involved in

our charts, and are in very real ways, sometimes undermining,

or slowing down our progress.

I'll give you an example.

I have Moon & Saturn together in my 12th house, and fully

aspected by a Jupiter in Pisces in the 6th.

So, spiritual interests came very early for me too.

However, there are some powerful negative aspects to both the

Moon & Saturn being in the 12th....

and when I learned this, and then, figured out how to literally

change and improve that part of me,...

then all the negative aspects of having those 2 important planets

in the 12th house of 'loss'..... ceased...being like that...

This is my greatest interest in Jyotish, how we can and perhaps,

are in fact, supposed, to learn certain things, which are usually

associated with our malefics...

but too often not understood that 'they' are really our

opportunities, for growth and change...

take care

nice talking with you.

Mark Kincaid

In , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Dear Mr Mark.

> Some how as a Sagittrian by ascendent and with moon in

makara I feel that iam bound by spirtuality from the child hood.I

entirely agree with your post.Also there is exchange of of 2nd lord

,saturn and 8th lord moon with .aspect of lagna lord jupiter in

11th also aspects mercury in 7th.May be other members too

would be able to test these combinations and find the results.

> Thanx

> krishnan

>

> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Rohini & All:

>

> When one studies, Jyotish/Astrology, especially....

>

> and especially utilizing the transit's system....

>

> one discovers many Astrological correlates for more spiritual

moments...

>

> I have watched these and all kinds of Astrological moments it's

very

> fascinating, to behold..

>

> I thought this year, and month, when the Sun started returning

through

> Sagittarius, this

> is a very more typical, spiritual time...

>

> and lo and behold,....we had the Holidays.... that may come

from the word,

> 'Holy days!'....

>

> and Jyotish says there aren't any planets that don't do well in

> Sagittarius...

>

> Then there are individual moments of each day, when the

Moon or Sun or even

> Mercury

> come under Jupiter's glances....

>

> Like the spiritual dharshan, we hear about...

>

> Then there's the fact that at any moment, we ourselves, can sit

down, and

> closing the eyes,

> transcend...any and all relative Astrological configurations...

>

> and contact the inner, source of Spirituality....being...

> or God... him/herself....

>

> With that potential,.... the field of Spirituality, of course, is very

> rich....

>

> Finally, in my experience.... there are 3 primary aspects of

Jyotish that

> simultaneously go on,

> and during any one of these, spiritual realities do happen...

>

> 1) We've talked about the transits, which are really the flavor of

> 'reality' coming to us, as if, from the outside.... some relative or

> mundane,....and others, more 'spiritual'....

>

> 2) Then, there are personal times in each of our lives, which

corresponding

> with unique more

> spiritual, aspects of our individual charts.... which are the

dasas,.....

> incline us more to spiritual

> experiences...

>

> Winter is like that for me..... having Saturn in the 12th.... and

since

> Saturn rules Winter, my

> experiences in the Winter, when everything slows down, and

turns more

> inward,....I am inclined for more inner experiences....

>

> meditation is deeper, more powerful....

>

> 3) And finally, there are the powerful influences of each one

of our

> charts...

>

> the details of our charts, indicate more or less spirituality,

> inclinations....and interest in developing, such a life....

>

> Nice talking with you all...

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> ps...recently started another dedicated

exclusively....to this

> topic of spirituality & Astrology....and all, are invited to join and

> participate...

>

> Spirituality_Astrology/

>

> to check it out...

>

> "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

>

> Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:00:50 -0000

>

> Astrology of realization (back to astrology)

>

> It is wonderful to be able to hear such wonderful thoughts,

some

> original, others borrowed about spirituality and meditation and

> realization etc. We are blessed that we are in the company of

not

> just wonderfully accomplished astrologers, but also thinkers,

> philosophers, spiritually advanced beings.

>

> For one who is seeking the spiritual path, what could be more

> epiphanous, more exhilerating than the moment of spiritual

> advancement. Those must indeed be moments of light that

depict a

> milestone in one's life. And, if we have been truthful about

> astrology, it must clearly show up in the charts of individuals.

>

> Any personal experiences, dear friends that you would like to

share

> with all of us. The astrology of the moment of spiritual

upliftment,

> or spiritual advancement the 'Aha!' moment in your spiritual

lives or

> perhaps in someone else's life who could be a spiritual friend

or

> peer or perhaps your teacher?

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

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Deaar Mark,

Certainly Iam in total agreement with your approach.In my case if I look back

and think of my lagna,along with 5th(Aries) it's lords placement in 6th along

with Mars and Rahu and the lord of 6th in 8th along with saturn,sun and

venus(sign of Cancer a watery sign).9th that of leo and thelord going to 12th of

9th is thing I grope about.yet I would like to be spirtual out and out.Like all

kinds of puja and believe strongly in vedic culture.Ultimately on this day of

commencing for yet another New Year I just thank Almighty for his creation as he

has blessed mercury in kendra(7th) sandwitched between mars and Rahu and the

other planets mentiond in the sign of cancer.

I do not know significance of these palnets in the houses mentioned above throws

any further light.

Anupama Menon <anu_pama_v wrote:

Good Post

Mark Kincaid wrote:

Dear Krishnan:

I find it quite interesting seeing and finding the Jyotish reasons

why 'many' people are attracted to spiritual concerns.

Even our President, George Bush, has an interesting flavor.

He's got Moon & Jupiter both together in Virgo in his chart, and

though he really was a bit of a playboy, so to speak when he was

younger, now, he's found it important to him, even that he has a

kind of mission from God....

Almost anytime when Jupiter is with either the Moon, or Sun, or

in the first house, one's spiritual nature, is almost automatic, as

you said.

What I'm particularly interested in, in addition to finding the

Astrological reasons why we're the way we are....

is also figuring out what 'malefic' influences, are also involved in

our charts, and are in very real ways, sometimes undermining,

or slowing down our progress.

I'll give you an example.

I have Moon & Saturn together in my 12th house, and fully

aspected by a Jupiter in Pisces in the 6th.

So, spiritual interests came very early for me too.

However, there are some powerful negative aspects to both the

Moon & Saturn being in the 12th....

and when I learned this, and then, figured out how to literally

change and improve that part of me,...

then all the negative aspects of having those 2 important planets

in the 12th house of 'loss'..... ceased...being like that...

This is my greatest interest in Jyotish, how we can and perhaps,

are in fact, supposed, to learn certain things, which are usually

associated with our malefics...

but too often not understood that 'they' are really our

opportunities, for growth and change...

take care

nice talking with you.

Mark Kincaid

In , vattem krishnan

wrote:

> Dear Mr Mark.

> Some how as a Sagittrian by ascendent and with moon in

makara I feel that iam bound by spirtuality from the child hood.I

entirely agree with your post.Also there is exchange of of 2nd lord

,saturn and 8th lord moon with .aspect of lagna lord jupiter in

11th also aspects mercury in 7th.May be other members too

would be able to test these combinations and find the results.

> Thanx

> krishnan

>

> Mark Kincaid wrote:

> Dear Rohini & All:

>

> When one studies, Jyotish/Astrology, especially....

>

> and especially utilizing the transit's system....

>

> one discovers many Astrological correlates for more spiritual

moments...

>

> I have watched these and all kinds of Astrological moments it's

very

> fascinating, to behold..

>

> I thought this year, and month, when the Sun started returning

through

> Sagittarius, this

> is a very more typical, spiritual time...

>

> and lo and behold,....we had the Holidays.... that may come

from the word,

> 'Holy days!'....

>

> and Jyotish says there aren't any planets that don't do well in

> Sagittarius...

>

> Then there are individual moments of each day, when the

Moon or Sun or even

> Mercury

> come under Jupiter's glances....

>

> Like the spiritual dharshan, we hear about...

>

> Then there's the fact that at any moment, we ourselves, can sit

down, and

> closing the eyes,

> transcend...any and all relative Astrological configurations...

>

> and contact the inner, source of Spirituality....being...

> or God... him/herself....

>

> With that potential,.... the field of Spirituality, of course, is very

> rich....

>

> Finally, in my experience.... there are 3 primary aspects of

Jyotish that

> simultaneously go on,

> and during any one of these, spiritual realities do happen...

>

> 1) We've talked about the transits, which are really the flavor of

> 'reality' coming to us, as if, from the outside.... some relative or

> mundane,....and others, more 'spiritual'....

>

> 2) Then, there are personal times in each of our lives, which

corresponding

> with unique more

> spiritual, aspects of our individual charts.... which are the

dasas,.....

> incline us more to spiritual

> experiences...

>

> Winter is like that for me..... having Saturn in the 12th.... and

since

> Saturn rules Winter, my

> experiences in the Winter, when everything slows down, and

turns more

> inward,....I am inclined for more inner experiences....

>

> meditation is deeper, more powerful....

>

> 3) And finally, there are the powerful influences of each one

of our

> charts...

>

> the details of our charts, indicate more or less spirituality,

> inclinations....and interest in developing, such a life....

>

> Nice talking with you all...

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> ps...recently started another dedicated

exclusively....to this

> topic of spirituality & Astrology....and all, are invited to join and

> participate...

>

> Spirituality_Astrology/

>

> to check it out...

>

> "rohiniranjan"

>

> Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:00:50 -0000

>

> Astrology of realization (back to astrology)

>

> It is wonderful to be able to hear such wonderful thoughts,

some

> original, others borrowed about spirituality and meditation and

> realization etc. We are blessed that we are in the company of

not

> just wonderfully accomplished astrologers, but also thinkers,

> philosophers, spiritually advanced beings.

>

> For one who is seeking the spiritual path, what could be more

> epiphanous, more exhilerating than the moment of spiritual

> advancement. Those must indeed be moments of light that

depict a

> milestone in one's life. And, if we have been truthful about

> astrology, it must clearly show up in the charts of individuals.

>

> Any personal experiences, dear friends that you would like to

share

> with all of us. The astrology of the moment of spiritual

upliftment,

> or spiritual advancement the 'Aha!' moment in your spiritual

lives or

> perhaps in someone else's life who could be a spiritual friend

or

> peer or perhaps your teacher?

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

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I personally feel, KP methods may assist in drawing such inferences more easily.

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: