2-Mary, re. spirituality ? > Mark Kincaid 12/27

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Dear Mary:

 

This has been a very fascinating discussion, I have to say.

 

For me, when I hear the word 'spirituality', obviously it refers to

'spirit'.

 

And 'spirit' refers to that which is opposite to 'material' which is so

apparent today.

 

We're aware of 'that' which is not-spirit, material, forms, phenomena,

perceptions, time, space,....all the different aspects of our 'relative'

lives, are, in fact,....material.

 

They come and go, they have a beginning and an end...

 

But, for 'spirit' we generally mean that part of life that is non-material.

 

But, where can we 'see' 'that'?

 

Or, where can we 'experience' it?

 

Spirit, in truth, exists within.

 

 

Spirit, is just another word, for our very souls, our 'I's, or our

consciousnesses!

 

And, experience of 'that' is the most precious experience in life.

 

Yours, sounds like a bonifide experience of 'that'.

 

The Ved, says contact with 'that' brings immeasurable joy, or bliss.

 

Very close probably to your experience of kindness.

 

In Jyotish there are some very fascinating ways in which to find, and to

approach, this kind of 'spiritual' experiences...

 

>From the 5th House and mantras, we hear about the techniques of

transcending, or prayers and meditation, to help us have our own experiences

of 'spirit'...

 

>From the 9th Houses, we hear about God, both the religious, more formal type

of religion as well as less formal, and what you called 'spiritual'

realities.

 

And, from the 12th House, we hear about the Transcendental 'joy', from where

'all',...all spirit and all material values spring.

 

What I find particularly fascinating about looking at the area of

'spirituality' from the point of view of Jyotish, is one can see, one's

tendencies, one's spiritual kind of qualities, in one's chart.

 

The positions, and configurations especially of Jupiter & Saturn, being the

2 most powerful 'spiritual' planets, show us our 'spiritual' tendencies.

 

Also, how those Planets are placed, whether they aspect any of the

luminaries, Sun, Moon or even Rising Sign.... can reflect powerful progress

in the spiritual field.

 

There are also different 'paths' of spiritual growth, whether the path of

Action, or Mars, to 'transcendence', due to strong Saturn influences, or

path of Knowledge, and learning which is often due to Jupiter's powerful

influences.

 

Finally, it's quite fun to look at the different kinds of 'personalities' of

different saints or seers, from their birth charts....

 

and though one might not be able to 'see' the 'spirit', by looking at the

charts....one gets a strong sense of the particular personalites, that are

all, on the path of God realization.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

ps.... I also recently created a , called

'Spirituality_Astrology' who's whole focus is just this kind of discussion.

 

Anyone is warmly invited to join:

 

 

Spirituality_Astrology/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> "Gili Mary" <xapsarax

>

> Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:19:50 +0000

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> spirituality

>

>

>

> Dear All,

> I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well read and well travelled yet I

> am unable to be sure of what you all mean when you use the term

> 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use the word so freely can define

> it for me.

> I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' because a spontaneous

> moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy of experiencing transcended

> all religions for me. The closest I can come to an interpretation is

> 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and unselfish ... and 'kindness'

> is, I belive, the original meaning of the word charity (before it meant

> giving money to absolve ones conscience, an excuse for power and glory -

> having a foundation named after oneself, or as a tax shelter). Some of the

> most awful travesties are committed in the name of 'love' so I can't accept

> that either.

> Once we become aware that each one of us connected to every other being...

> and indeed to everything else in the Universe it is hardly possible not to

> treat all beings with kindness.

> So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know the answer - from your heart

> not from the dictionary- please explain the meaning of 'spirituality to me.

> Love,

> Gili

>

>> Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri

>>

>>

>> Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD >-Additional Comments

>> Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT)

>>

>> Dear Inderji,

>> Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. Some additional thoughts:

>>

>>

>>

>> This explains why somebody is more spiritual than others but can also be

>> inculcated by determined individuals and the most of Indians are perfect in

>> this.

>>

>> Similar information also came long back in Reader's Digest used to ponder

>> on it.

>>

>> But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, will always find simile of

>> this spiritual feelings, with some drug or other.

>>

>> There has to be some link with Science and the still unknown spheres. The

>> science will gradually explore this for the benefit of mankind though more

>> and more areas will remain unexplained.

>>

>> At least very recently the top scientists are having a clear mind to

>> explore and not biased like the earlier Western /Western educated

>> Scientists.

>>

>> Sir John Woodroff (late 19th century, then Chief Justice of India, ruled by

>> the British) once mentioned, “…. it seems, that the Western scholar's mind

>> is not designed to understand these complicated spiritual vistas and hence

>> decides that these are all mumbo - jumbo.”

>>

>>

>>

>> With best wishes,

>>

>> Amitabh Shastri

>> Inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

>> Dear Rohiniji,

>> It is intersting discussion.

>>

>> When Homeopathy was being developed and was becoming popular in

>> Germany,and America homeopaths were so excited that they were

>> calling Homeopathy a mordern and more scientific theraputics and

>> allopathy as old and unscitific.

>>

>> Homeo medicines were so effective and wonderful that people were

>> excited with this discovery.

>>

>> But later with the advent of anti-bioteccis, new surgical methods

>> and testing techniques made allopathis gaining clear upper hand.

>> Slowely homeopathy was getting forgotten and also lebelled as

>> unscintific.

>>

>> However, it travelled to India and made its permanent home here.[we

>> are unscintific??!!]

>>

>> Now Homeopathy is an alternate medicine system and unscitific,

>> inspite of its wonderful cures.

>> Inder

>>

>> , "rohiniranjan"

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I wish you had only taken the time to read my postings on this

>>> subject before responding in a reflexive way.

>>>

>>> That is exactly what I have been saying all these years:

>>> a) That modern science is not something superior

>>> b) That astrologers, particularly modern astrologers should break

>>> away from the mental/intellectual slavery of thinking science is

>> the

>>> greatest thing, unconditionally, and that astrology must be

>> declared

>>> and pushed to become a science before it claims its place in the

>>> universe of respectability.

>>> c) No one would argue that great literature, for instance, has its

>>> significant role in the shaping of culture and societies -- and it

>> is

>>> NOT science or scientific even!

>>> d) Why must astrology be forced into being science as some of the

>>> modern elitists keep pushing it to be?

>>>

>>> rohiniranjan

>>> , "Shad"

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, pranam!

>>>>

>>>> what great thing hasn't modern science invented that didn't

>> already

>>>> exist in ancient Indian times??

>>>>

>>>> Here some inspirational facts, that show that the vedas and it's

>>>> scholars were no blind believers, and that today's science

>>> decorates

>>>> itself with scientific realizations, that aren't their, but have

>>>> been known long before. Gravity is only one of those...

>>>>

>>>> Read and enjoy:

>>>>

>>>> INDIAN SCIENTIFIC HERITAGE:

>>>>

>>>> http://forums.about.com/ab-hinduism/messages/?msg=1138.1

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Did you know the following facts…

>>>>

>>>> 1. India invented the Number system. Pingalacharya

>>>> invented `zero.' in 200 BC.

>>>>

>>>> 2. Indians discovered the size, shape, rotation and gravity of

>>>> earth about 1000 years before Kelvin, Galileo, Newton and Copper

>>>> Nicus. Aryabhatta I was the first to explain spherical

>>>> shape, size, diameter, rotaion and correct speed of Earth in 499

>> AD.

>>>>

>>>> 3. Newton's law of Gravitational force is an ancient Indian

>>>> discovery. In Siddhanta Siromani ( Bhuvanakosam 6 )

>> Bhaskaracharya

>>>> II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir

>>>> Isaac Newton.

>>>>

>>>> 4. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in

>>>> India in 100 BC.

>>>>

>>>> 5. Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression.

>>>> Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda.

>>>>

>>>> 6. Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula

>>>> about 1800 years before Newton.

>>>>

>>>> 7. Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward

>>>> Interpolation formula about 1000 yers before Newton.

>>>>

>>>> 8. Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine

>>>> function about 250 years before Taylor.

>>>>

>>>> 9. Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series.

>>>>

>>>> 10. Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series for the

>>>> Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory.

>>>>

>>>> 11. Madhavacharya discovered Leibnitz power series for pi about

>> 300

>>>> years before Leibnitz.

>>>>

>>>> 12. Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuiler's formula about 400

>> years

>>>> before Lhuiler.

>>>>

>>>> 13. Nilakanta discovered Newton's Infinite Geometric Progression

>>>> convergent series.

>>>>

>>>> 14. Theoroms relating the diameter,volume and circumference of

>>>> circles discovered by Madhavacharya,Puthumana

>> Somayaji,Aryabhatta,

>>>> Bhaskaracharya…….

>>>>

>>>> 15. The value of pi was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he

>>>> discovered Pythagorus Theorem in 800BC. ie 300 years before

>>>> Pythagorus.

>>>>

>>>> 16. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic

>>>> equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century. While the

>>>> Greeks were using only upto a max imum value 1000 , Indians

>> could go

>>>> upto 18th power of 10 level during Vedic period.

>>>>

>>>> 17. Infinity was well known for ancient Indians.

>>>>

>>>> 18. Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were

>>>> explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta.

>>>>

>>>> 19. Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he

>>>> and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like

>>>> cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of

>>>> anaesthesia was well known in ancient India.He was the first

>> person

>>>> to perform plastic surgery.

>>>>

>>>> 20. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest

>>>> dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan

>> culture

>>>> in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation).

>>>>

>>>> 21. The world's first University was established in Takshila in

>>>> 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied

>>>> more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th

>>>> century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India

>> in

>>>> the field of education.

>>>>

>>>> 22. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most

>> suitable

>>>> language for computer software.

>>>>

>>>> 23. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.

>>>>

>>>> 24. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, until

>> 1896,

>>>> India was the only source of diamonds to the world.

>>>>

>>>> 25. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old

>> suspicion

>>>> amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was

>>>> Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.

>>>>

>>>> 26. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in

>>>> Saurashtra.

>>>>

>>>> 27. Chess was invented in India.

>>>>

>>>> 28. The first philosopher who formulated ideas about the atom in

>> a

>>>> systematic manner was Kanada who lived in the 6th century B.C.

>>>>

>>>> 29. All the atomic reactors in the world are in Shiva Linga Shape

>>>> which is an Indian contribution.

>>>>

>>>> 30. Padanjali maharshi discovered Soundwaves.

>>>>

>>>> 31. Yoga is an ancient Indian gift to the world.

>>>>

>>>> 32. Shayanacharya discovered velocity of light.

>>>>

>>>> 33. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered different types of light rays.

>>>>

>>>> 34. Maharshi Bharadwaja was the first person to give defenition

>>>> about aeroplane. He explained about different types aeroplanes in

>>>> his book "Vimana Thantra" around 2000 years before Right

>> Brothers.

>>>>

>>>> 35. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered spectrometer. In his "Yantra

>>>> Sarvaswa" he explained about more than 100 instruments.

>>>>

>>>> 36. The different colours of light, VIBGYOR are mentioned in

>>>> Rigveda which was written 6000 years ago.

>>>>

>>>> 37. Maharshi Charaka discovered Psychology and Quantum healing

>>>> system.

>>>>

>>>> 38. Varahamihira discovered the concept of "Budding of plants".

>>>>

>>>> 39. Seven continents are mentioned in Padmapurana.

>>>>

>>>> 40. Judo and karate which are coming to India from the far-east

>>>> originated in ancient India

>>>>

>>>> -om tat sat-

>>>>

>>>> Best regards,

>>>> Shad

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -- In , "rohiniranjan"

>>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Astronauts, space station, other projectiles that leave

>> earth's

>>>> pull

>>>>> and manage to stay out there are the proof that gravity is

>> very

>>>> real

>>>>> and measurable. On the other hand, a simpler example would be

>> a

>>>> bird

>>>>> or a plane that manages to fly away from earth comes falling

>> back

>>>> as

>>>>> soon as it is struck. Proof enough that gravity exists.

>>>>> One can argue in circular logic as much as they want but

>> certain

>>>>> things are very simple and need not be made too complicated.

>> Over

>>>> the

>>>>> years, enough evidence and demonstration has shown adequate

>>>> validity

>>>>> and reproducibility of physical principles for one to not

>>> question

>>>>> physics as being science. Astrology, while potentially and

>>>> desirably

>>>>> capable perhaps of arriving at that point is certainly not

>> there

>>>> yet

>>>>> and would not get there just by wishing.

>>>>> If someone were to come up with a new modality claiming to

>> heal

>>>>> better than existing scientific methods of healing, we would

>> wait

>>>>> till we call those science. This in no way reduces the new

>>>> method's

>>>>> ability to heal or even be superior to existing modalities.

>>>>> Some astrologers tend to think that by calling astrology a

>>> science

>>>>> they would somehow raise its status. Such intellectual slavery

>> is

>>>>> deplorable, is all I would say. Science is not some holy pie

>> in

>>>> the

>>>>> sky. Mother's maternal instincts are not science or scientific

>>> and

>>>>> yet the world will come to a screeching halt without this 'non-

>>>>> scientific' fact.

>>>>>

>>>>> Speaking of facts, there is a lot of myth and fiction in

>>>> astrological

>>>>> repertoire. One of this is the prevailing superstition that

>> there

>>>> is

>>>>> some marvelous hidden body of knowledge only known to some

>>>> families

>>>>> or paramparas. Well perhaps, but we cannot presume that

>> without

>>>>> seeing adequate evidence demonstrated for that clearly. Such

>> is

>>>>> simply not the case. If it was, people who had that knowledge

>> or

>>>>> ability would have come forward and demonstrated through their

>>>>> infalliable predictions. How many such consistent

>> demonstrations

>>>> have

>>>>> we seen in our lifetimes or factually heard of?

>>>>>

>>>>> RR

>>>>>

>>

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