Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Astronauts, space station, other projectiles that leave earth's pull and manage to stay out there are the proof that gravity is very real and measurable. On the other hand, a simpler example would be a bird or a plane that manages to fly away from earth comes falling back as soon as it is struck. Proof enough that gravity exists. One can argue in circular logic as much as they want but certain things are very simple and need not be made too complicated. Over the years, enough evidence and demonstration has shown adequate validity and reproducibility of physical principles for one to not question physics as being science. Astrology, while potentially and desirably capable perhaps of arriving at that point is certainly not there yet and would not get there just by wishing. If someone were to come up with a new modality claiming to heal better than existing scientific methods of healing, we would wait till we call those science. This in no way reduces the new method's ability to heal or even be superior to existing modalities. Some astrologers tend to think that by calling astrology a science they would somehow raise its status. Such intellectual slavery is deplorable, is all I would say. Science is not some holy pie in the sky. Mother's maternal instincts are not science or scientific and yet the world will come to a screeching halt without this 'non- scientific' fact. Speaking of facts, there is a lot of myth and fiction in astrological repertoire. One of this is the prevailing superstition that there is some marvelous hidden body of knowledge only known to some families or paramparas. Well perhaps, but we cannot presume that without seeing adequate evidence demonstrated for that clearly. Such is simply not the case. If it was, people who had that knowledge or ability would have come forward and demonstrated through their infalliable predictions. How many such consistent demonstrations have we seen in our lifetimes or factually heard of? RR , Anupama V <anu_pama_v> wrote: > I appreciate your questions.My comments as under > a) What is the basis for calling astrology a science? > > > > Why can't Astrology be a science??Why are we calling Physics a science?In Physics we say Gravitational pull by earth.Do you have any proof to show the gravitational pull.In what form it is?What evidence do we have earth has gravitationalpull.So based on assumptions we keep calling it a science.Here we have concepts and we conclude with assumptions and sometimes supplement with mathematical calculations. If we can conclude based on concepts and call it a science,why not Astrology???Hence I verymuch stand on my statement. > > b)If many of the tenets and techniques are not revealed, how does > one know that those exist? (similar to the tree falling in the forest analogy!) > > In most of the cases things don't come to us.We should keep looking out for facts and it will come to us.I too am not from astrologer background ,but we should keep looking out for facts which will come on its way.Dear RR,it is high time that we should come out of traditional ways of gurukul system.Now we are in the modern world and there are many ways we could get information and we rarely require a Guru to teach us all the facts.Self learning is the best way to gain knowledge and believe me the most successful one too.Once I asked one priest on the contents of SUDARSHANA chakra.I was told "you are a lady and ladies are not supposed to learn all these stuffs" It sounded so bad to me.Today I know what are all basic contents of Yanthra(I mean what a Vritha is,Astadhala is and so on).I never had a Guru,but on search the matter came automatically to me.That gentleman's wording was not because of the fact that I was a lady.He wanted to avoid me and was not willing to share the > information with me.So the task of gaining the knowledge is with us and for that the approach you take differs. > > c)I'm not that clear on your third question.But my understanding from what you have written same house have different interpretations and many a times it is difficult to make predictions.Yes I agree to that and frankly speaking I don't have answer to that.I have always noticed that many times it is always impossible to predict the death of a person.I don't know how to answer this.I leave it to other Team members to comment on the same. > > But I would like to add one more comment here.By Ignorance I meantPeople tend to link modern life with traditional Yakshas and so on and go about doing Poojas without knowing the reality.This is a science which can break things very clearly ,but most of times people are getting misguided.Iam sure that I may face another question here " what do you mean by misguided".To substatiate this I can explain the experience which my friend had had.The person always had ill health and none of the doctors could diagnose what exactly the disease was?Astrologers gave him the reason "effect of some spirit" and he continued performing poojas and homas at home ,but of no use.Finally one person came to the point.His analysis was somewhat this way-Food poisoning (rahu in 4th house),Source 8th house ie Servant.Keep vigil on the servant.Within two days time the servant was caught red handed poisoning the persons food.So many times we don't go on to the right target and always get misguided.Hence > what Iam saying is we should come out of the traditional way of Spirits or bodies.Many times you yourself are the main person behind your failure and people don't tend to understand that. > > I may have come a little way out of the main topic.But my intention here to bring out the content of the subject in a broad way. > > Anupama > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > I admire your enthusiasm in writing the following message. However, a > few questions arise: > > a) What is the basis for calling astrology a science? > > b) If many of the tenets and techniques are not revealed, how does > one know that those exist? (similar to the tree falling in the forest > analogy!) > > c) Someone may interpret the reference to the sun,moon,9th and 12th > house as being fully subservient and giving (12)to ones father (sun, > 9th), mother (moon) for understanding everything or most anyway, and > to the father more than mother since there are 2 indicators in the > recommendation for father and only one for mother. There could be > gazillion other interpretations. I think, and do not take this > personally please, this is what makes astrology so unfathomable to > most. Each indicator has so many different variations and > interpretations and are so densely packed that one can reach into the > Bhanumati ka pitara and bring out anything and it can fit the > circumstances. > > Suffice it to say that we all and many others need to put in a lot of > efforts into forming the foundation of astrology before we begin > building the top storeys of the edifice that we all visualize it to > be. > > rr > > --- > > In , Anupama V <anu_pama_v> > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Let me make a comment on all the statements.Astrology as such is > not studied in most spirit and infact people are ignorant of the > importance the science.Normally it is the science which will give the > details of the person and it is really interesting to research on > people. > > > > Coming on to spirituality,I feel it is nothing to do with Genes > and it's all circumstances. > > > > Also Sun and Moon has its own impact.Infact long before modern > science has comeup with the idea of chromosomes,astrological science > has come up with concepts for identifying the paternity too.Infact I > really wanted to research on the concepts on some individuals,but > didn't have the guts for that. > > > > Also many a times astrologers are forced to circumstances where > in they may be forced to hide up the thruth.To Quote with,Once one > lady had been to astrologer with her daughters horoscope asking him > if she will become a doctor with Kethu in 10th place.Initially he > said no,Then came up the reply "What the child looks so bright from > first sight and you say that she won't"Then he made a correction > there"yes Kethu is for Cutting ,Yes she will surely get the cutting > job" . > > Finally she gotit-Yes she is cutting ,but not the > patients,vegetables in her house. > > > > So friends Don't give up.There are many concepts which have not > yet been revealed to the public.Just keep holding Sun moon 9th and > 12th houses.Keep in touch with those Guys.One day you too will get a > chance to make comments like this.Doesn't that Sound Good!!!!! > > > > Anupama > > > > > > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Sprituality and relgious belief are governed by an individual's > genetic make > > up and brain chemicals, says Dean H Hamer director of Gene > Structure and > > Regulation Unit at National Cancer Institute US. > > > > He wrote a book [i have not read] "The God Gene" > > > > > > > > He establishes VMAT2 Gene as God gene. Higher the people having > such gene > > more likely to develope spritual belief. > > > > What do you say dear.! > > > > Inder > > > > > > Wow, isn't this fascinating... > > > > though Jyotish and Astrology have understood, for thousands of > years, that > > there are several, simultaneous, Astrological configurations... > > > > that explain one's propensity for spirituality,....too.... > > > > And..... the details, the richness within our Astrological > charts....always > > amazes me... > > > > > > too bad, modern, 'man', scientist, or human kind, doesn't > understand that > > Astrology, is like our Cosmic Genetics! > > > > > > > > Check out your Jupiter, Saturn's..... and 9th & 12th Houses, and > lords, to > > see, 'your' Cosmic, Astrological 'God gene's'! > > > > > > don't forget Sun and Moon, too.... > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > ps...for those who haven't heard, I started a new Jyotish & > Spirituality > > group.... at ... > > > > go to: > > > > Spirituality_Astrology/ > > > > to check it out.... > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > "InderVohra" <indervohra@m...> > > "The Astroexperts" <TheAstroexperts@g...> > > Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:01:20 -0800 > > "The Astroexperts" <TheAstroexperts@g...> > > Codes of GOD > > > > > > Codes of GOD > > > > Reply > > Reply to Sender Recommend Message 1 in Discussion > > InderVohra > > Dear all, > > > > Sprituality and relgious belief are governed by an individual's > genetic make > > up and brain chemicals, says Dean H Hamer director of Gene > Structure and > > Regulation Unit at National Cancer Institute US. > > > > He wrote a book [i have not read] "The God Gene" > > > > > > > > He establishes VMAT2 Gene as God gene. Higher the people having > such gene > > more likely to develope spritual belief. > > > > What do you say dear.! > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > "Shad" <waterpowers> > > > > Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:10:14 -0000 > > > > Re: Codes Of GOD > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder ji, > > Pranam! > > > > As a researcher on quantum mechanics and physics, inventor on the > > field of energy conversion and simultaneously as spiritualist I > > would like to add my opinion in this discussion – from spiritual and > > scientific view. This means how I think as researcher and scientist, > > and how I think as Vaishnav and Shaiva. To not make it too > > complicate I will compact it `all in one'. > > > > > Sprituality and religious belief are governed by an indivisual's > > > genetic make up and brain chemicals , says Dean H Hamer > > > > Actually it is exactly opposite: an individual's genetic make up and > > brain chemicals are governed by mind and soul. Genes are a by- > > product, which resulted from the interaction of mind and soul with > > this material world. The gross body and its genes, which are made of > > five elements, first were created on a subtle level, in our previous > > lifetime. > > > > The genes we carry in ourselves in this lifetime are a product of > > the mind, which is a vehicle for the soul. The vehicle transports > > the soul from one body to the other, life after life, when the body > > dies, the mind brings the soul forth out of the body, traveling > > through time and space, according to one's karma into the new birth. > > > > While action in our previous lifes during the life a subtle body > > already was created, which pre-destined the body we have today! The > > genes we `owe' today are a result of our thinking and acting of > > previous lifes, karma. > > > > Scientists unfortunately only occupy with symptoms, and too little > > with the causes. This is why quantum physicists are more occupied > > with trying to find out the causes not only watching the symptoms, > > as Dean H Hamer does, by observing genetic Codes. > > > > He counted the genes spiritualists carry in them, and after this > > determined spirituality depends on the number of genes. > > > > This is the same we learned steam is lighter than air, because it is > > hotter, which is the reason, for example why clouds rise in to the > > sky. The example as with Hamer, mere observation of symptoms. The > > cause of steam rising up in the air is gravity, and not what > > scientists used to think. Here the evidence: > > > > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast07sep_2.htm > > > > As steam doesn't rise due to heat, spirituality does not depend on > > some number of genes. > > > > Best regards, > > Shad > > > > http://shad.de.vu > > http://shad.innoplaza.net/ > > > http://www.greaterthings.com/News/FreeEnergy/Directory/Inventors/Shad > > Loncar/ > > http://www.geocities.com/maity_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Sprituality and religious belief are governed by an indivisual's > > > genetic make up and brain chemicals , says Dean H Hamer, director > > of > > > the Gene Structure and Regulation at National Cancer Institute US. > > > > > > In his book The God Gene : How Faith is Hardwired Into Our > > Genes ,- > > > > > > He says the brain chemicals monomines are important brain > > chemicals > > > After comparing more than 2000 DNA samples, they concluded that > > > higher the VMAT2 gene score, the greater a person's ability to > > > believe in a greater spritual force. Sprituality is all about > > > feeling conneceted to the universe.These chemcals are resposible > > for > > > mystical trances experienced by Bhudhist practitioners and other > > > sprituals and even mind altering drugs like peyote. > > > > > > Spritual tendencies are part of genetic make up , not a thing > > > strictly handed down from parents to children. Like intelligence , > > > they can skip a generation.While the genetic aspect explains why > > > people capable of sprituality, how and when that develops depends > > on > > > circumstances and people's life trajectory. It's more common for > > > people to turn spritual later in life. > > > > > > What do you think about it friends? > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > / > > > > > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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