Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Hi, No again wrong,Our life is not selfish,Our life is to remove selfishness from oneself.Love has got nothing to do with bodies. It is a feeling.Act is not important,it is a feeling that is important.The wat we feel anger,grief,saddness,happy etc, one can even experience a LOVE.Love above all this.It something that cannot be seen in this very world like Happiness,sadness,ange etc.Love has got no expression in human body. If it is there within you,you can feel it and can make feel someone else.Love is happiness of soul.Peace to a mind.Material it cannot me viewed.It is not a geture of happiness too.As I told earlier,it is a transient or threshold phase of our lives.You can just feel it, a person wh has felt he know's its exitense.Love is emotion, a flow of heart. --- Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: > > In essence we can say that our exsitence is itself > selfish. > Each and every organism including human being needs > to survive. > Preserve life, sustain life, prolong life, create > life and all these > activities are my life. Survival of my life is a > need and in fact it > is selfish. > > And that way, creation and preservation of life is > what 'life' is. > Human being also add name/fame/money/hoarding etc > also as part of > life survival.[people should remember me after death > and I preserve > life after death even]. > > In this creation/preservation of life, the > cooperation between human > beings is very essential. That may perhaps be called > LOVE. > > Inder > > -- In , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > Very interesting , you have gone very > philosphical. > > We can say that selflessness is also selfish. > > Inder > > > > -- In , "Tanvir" > <ultimate@s...> > > wrote: > > > I did not say that love is all about sex. I said > that a love > > between "spouses" can "hardly be" non sexual. If > in a rare case a > > spouse's love is non sexual then it falls in to > the category of > love > > that seems to be selfless but IS selfish or > "self-centered". (Like > > say a mother's love for a child etc.) > > > > > > Of course there is selfishness about a suicide, > how can you > > overlook it? A person suicides in that very > condition when his > life > > is full of failure, pains that he can NOT carry. > He thinks that it > > is not possible for him to carry such pain, and > even DEATH would > be > > better than carrying this pain. If you play chess, > and start to > > lose, you might get bored and exhausted that you > resign it and > start > > over. If you find yourself attacked by terrorists > in some town you > > might prefer to move in to another town. But what > is when you feel > > that it is the *LIFE* that is causing all the > pains and sufferings > > that you can not carry at all ? You can not start > over a new game > > like chess or can not escape from the town to > avoid it. All you > can > > do is to escape *LIFE* and it MEANS suicidal. > > > > > > Even suicidal is selfish because the person > becomes unable to > > carry such pains in life so he needs release, he > needs betterment. > > By ending that life he knows he is not going to > carry such > problems > > and pains and unhappiness, so he wants to end it. > > > > > > Indeed, people who suicides do so because they > think that even > > death is better than the life they are in. > > > > > > Can you give me much examples who suicided in > happiness, or for > > they were very happy? NO ! > > > > > > And indeed suiciders are BRAVE to FACE DEATH. > Coward people can > > not face death and are afraid of death. They say > suiciding means > > losing to life. But actually living means > resigning to life in > those > > conditions. Better show thumb to that life to show > that you do not > > give a damn to it when it becomes so cruel. It > indeed is bravery. > I > > respect them. > > > > > > I have passed much time like this and I also do > know why people > > also take drugs... just like to escape from life, > they want to > > forget everything always since they can not carry > such pains. I > know > > it completely. I understand it completely. > > > > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic > Astrology (Jyotish) > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving > > remedies > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > surya vishnubhotla > > > > > > Monday, December 13, 2004 8:19 PM > > > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > House-->Suryaji > > > > > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > Almost all of us seem to dabble with this > > > contradiction at some point of our lives or > the other > > > ... > > > > > > However, once you come out of these feelings u > realise > > > a few important things about life .. True love > does > > > exist. It has nothing to do with sex .. it is > true > > > that relationships are essentially formed for > > > procreation but this dosent invalidate love > ... > > > > > > Ayn rand and quite a number of people have > propogated > > > the same feeling that we do everything because > of > > > selfish motive ... we give alms to feel better > ... so > > > essentially all motives are selfish ... > > > > > > I wont go into why I dont to that > view point > > > anymore, even though I once did feel that all > is fake > > > ... > > > > > > Everyone has to discover their own way out and > > > discover their own conception of love or > otherwise... > > > > > > However I will say that there is a huge > difference > > > between saving self-interest and being selfish > ... if > > > there were no love and everything was selfish > need > > > then probably there would be no pain as well > ... what > > > is selfish about something like a suicide? > > > > > > There are so many things to think about !! > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > === message truncated === Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Hi, please see my replies below : >>>>No again wrong,Our life is not selfish,Our life is to remove selfishness from oneself.Love has got nothing to do with bodies.<<<< Oooops ! Sorry to be "again wrong" ! :-))))))) >>>>It is a feeling.Act is not important,it is a feeling that is important.The wat we feel anger,grief,saddness,happy etc, one can even experience a LOVE.Love above all this.It something that cannot be seen in this very world like Happiness,sadness,ange etc.Love has got no expression in human body.<<<< I see >>>>If it is there within you,you can feel it and can make feel someone else.Love is happiness of soul.Peace to a mind.Material it cannot me viewed.It is not a geture of happiness too.As I told earlier,it is a transient or threshold phase of our lives.You can just feel it, a person wh has felt he know's its exitense.Love is emotion, a flow of heart.<<<< Love is not always happiness, Sir ! I know a friend of mine who fell in love with a girl and then for that he felt really very depressed for the girl was already engaged with someone else !!!!!! And a father having his son died would be tremendously painful for the cause is love. Love is both happiness and unhappiness. Matter is what happens with the love and the people related. Love is a feeling, or a desire, to own or reach something that you like. to satisfy yourself with the aim of making your life better. Perhaps I can make a better definition of Love when I think, but this is what I can say off hand. Regards Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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