Love exist or there is just Selfishness-->Tanvirji

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I had conversation with my guru this sunday,What I

understood,When you are living in sansar,What ever is

happening is decided,nothing is going to

change,Everything depends on your fate.Fate cannot be

changed.

 

Here I remeber one story,two friends walking in

jungle.One was believer of fate and other was on his

own hard working.Two travelled through a jungle.They

had nothing to eat.Both came under a tree.Person A

believer or fate or bhagaya slep under a tree and

didn't bother to search for a food.Person B a hard

working one,started looking for a food.Very soon he

found it,there 12 padas in that,really big one.He

started eating one after another,after eating 6,his

stomach was almost full.a thought came to his mind,let

give rest of 6 to his friend A,So we woke a other

person and gave it to him a other six.Mr A also ate.

 

So what we can understang from a story is that,If Mr

A's fate didn't signify that ,than thought wouldn't

have come to Mr B's mind.So when one is in sansar,it

is mostly a fate than anything else.

 

But when you are sadhu,all is hard working,in order to

understand a true form of GOD,no fate will help you.It

is upto you to get a nirvana.

 

Now from above you can acknowledge both bodies are of

material nature only path,direction is different.So it

is upto a person to choose a path,rest all is decided

in this world.

 

--- Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

 

> In addition to this, I must also quote two verses

> from Bhagvat Gita which are very fabourite and

> adored verses to me -

>

> "Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to

> the qualities he has acquired from the modes of

> material nature; therefore no one can refrain from

> doing something, not even for a moment."

>

> "One who can see that all activities are performed

> by the body, which is created of material nature,

> and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees."

>

>

>

>

> Let me know if you think I am misunderstanding them.

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> problem solving remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

>

>

> -

> Tanvir

>

> Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:26 PM

> Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th

> House-->Tanvirji

>

>

> Thanks for understanding my points and stating

> that it's agreeable. The question you raised is a

> very good question, such as, "What love when we feel

> kindness or love to a poor hungry child and offer

> him food that has nothing to do with selfishness?"

>

> Basically, it has. It appears that offering food

> to a poor person has nothing to do with selfishness,

> but it certainly has. Because it is YOUR URGE and

> YOUR FEELING that is telling you to do so, to offer

> food - and by offering food you are *satisfying*

> your *SELF* and attaining happiness and peace. By

> offering food and perceived "selfless help" you are

> "feeling better" and feeling peace and wellness of

> mind. You are doing for what you are having an urge

> coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you*

> that you are satisfying.

>

> My answer might sound strange at first but think

> it deeply you will realize that it is the truth.

> Kind people are kind for they are *that way* and

> they like to be kind, they feel better to be kind,

> it is their urge and intention that they satisfy.

> Similarly a wicked person feel the urge to to evil

> things so he does it. Kind person is not good, and

> wicker person is not bad - this is the ultimate fact

> and even from astrology it is true that each of them

> follow their own karma satisfying what they are

> suppossed to do as per their chart and Dasa Bhukti.

> And even scientifically it is a matter of their

> genes and what would be the exact response for the

> exact person in a particular situation.

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> problem solving remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

>

> -

> Shripal

>

> Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM

> Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th

> House-->Tanvirji

>

>

> Hi,

>

>

> Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If

> for a

> moment you see all this things in a unselfish

> way,than

> you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It

> can be

> for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are

> not

> getting a point.What ever you have said is

> totally

> agreeable.But some people do exist in this

> filthy

> world who help other's for just nothing,Who

> daily pray

> to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who

> takes

> other people's greivances,just for nothing, All

> this

> are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like

> daan.You

> expect nothing for what you do to others.You

> really

> don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone

> other

> than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has

> got

> nothing to do with bodies".

>

> So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly

> or

> unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu

> are in

> Love with some one.You ask thousand times

> yourself,but

> no answer is there for that,why why you are

> attaracted

> to her,even if she is married or not,is that

> sex,but

> you don't want to do with her that too,you just

> want

> to be with her and hold her hands and dream

> away.Love

> is just to be with someone with no reason.It can

> be

> with God,mother or wife.Or with your

> paintings,your

> own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of

> Love.Just

> to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your

> percentage of unselfishness should be higher

> than

> selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that

> one

> day you will become 100% unselfish for someone

> you

> LOVE.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear shripal,

The problem may arise when the fellow instead of giving the pedas to

his friends keep it in his bundle for the next day.The hypothetical

story would go in some other way.

Inder

 

- In , Shripal <d_shripal>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I had conversation with my guru this sunday,What I

> understood,When you are living in sansar,What ever is

> happening is decided,nothing is going to

> change,Everything depends on your fate.Fate cannot be

> changed.

>

> Here I remeber one story,two friends walking in

> jungle.One was believer of fate and other was on his

> own hard working.Two travelled through a jungle.They

> had nothing to eat.Both came under a tree.Person A

> believer or fate or bhagaya slep under a tree and

> didn't bother to search for a food.Person B a hard

> working one,started looking for a food.Very soon he

> found it,there 12 padas in that,really big one.He

> started eating one after another,after eating 6,his

> stomach was almost full.a thought came to his mind,let

> give rest of 6 to his friend A,So we woke a other

> person and gave it to him a other six.Mr A also ate.

>

> So what we can understang from a story is that,If Mr

> A's fate didn't signify that ,than thought wouldn't

> have come to Mr B's mind.So when one is in sansar,it

> is mostly a fate than anything else.

>

> But when you are sadhu,all is hard working,in order to

> understand a true form of GOD,no fate will help you.It

> is upto you to get a nirvana.

>

> Now from above you can acknowledge both bodies are of

> material nature only path,direction is different.So it

> is upto a person to choose a path,rest all is decided

> in this world.

>

> --- Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:

>

> > In addition to this, I must also quote two verses

> > from Bhagvat Gita which are very fabourite and

> > adored verses to me -

> >

> > "Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to

> > the qualities he has acquired from the modes of

> > material nature; therefore no one can refrain from

> > doing something, not even for a moment."

> >

> > "One who can see that all activities are performed

> > by the body, which is created of material nature,

> > and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees."

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Let me know if you think I am misunderstanding them.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> > (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> > problem solving remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tanvir

> >

> > Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:26 PM

> > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th

> > House-->Tanvirji

> >

> >

> > Thanks for understanding my points and stating

> > that it's agreeable. The question you raised is a

> > very good question, such as, "What love when we feel

> > kindness or love to a poor hungry child and offer

> > him food that has nothing to do with selfishness?"

> >

> > Basically, it has. It appears that offering food

> > to a poor person has nothing to do with selfishness,

> > but it certainly has. Because it is YOUR URGE and

> > YOUR FEELING that is telling you to do so, to offer

> > food - and by offering food you are *satisfying*

> > your *SELF* and attaining happiness and peace. By

> > offering food and perceived "selfless help" you are

> > "feeling better" and feeling peace and wellness of

> > mind. You are doing for what you are having an urge

> > coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you*

> > that you are satisfying.

> >

> > My answer might sound strange at first but think

> > it deeply you will realize that it is the truth.

> > Kind people are kind for they are *that way* and

> > they like to be kind, they feel better to be kind,

> > it is their urge and intention that they satisfy.

> > Similarly a wicked person feel the urge to to evil

> > things so he does it. Kind person is not good, and

> > wicker person is not bad - this is the ultimate fact

> > and even from astrology it is true that each of them

> > follow their own karma satisfying what they are

> > suppossed to do as per their chart and Dasa Bhukti.

> > And even scientifically it is a matter of their

> > genes and what would be the exact response for the

> > exact person in a particular situation.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> > (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> > problem solving remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> >

> > -

> > Shripal

> >

> > Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM

> > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th

> > House-->Tanvirji

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> >

> > Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If

> > for a

> > moment you see all this things in a unselfish

> > way,than

> > you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It

> > can be

> > for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are

> > not

> > getting a point.What ever you have said is

> > totally

> > agreeable.But some people do exist in this

> > filthy

> > world who help other's for just nothing,Who

> > daily pray

> > to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who

> > takes

> > other people's greivances,just for nothing, All

> > this

> > are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like

> > daan.You

> > expect nothing for what you do to others.You

> > really

> > don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone

> > other

> > than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has

> > got

> > nothing to do with bodies".

> >

> > So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly

> > or

> > unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu

> > are in

> > Love with some one.You ask thousand times

> > yourself,but

> > no answer is there for that,why why you are

> > attaracted

> > to her,even if she is married or not,is that

> > sex,but

> > you don't want to do with her that too,you just

> > want

> > to be with her and hold her hands and dream

> > away.Love

> > is just to be with someone with no reason.It can

> > be

> > with God,mother or wife.Or with your

> > paintings,your

> > own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of

> > Love.Just

> > to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your

> > percentage of unselfishness should be higher

> > than

> > selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that

> > one

> > day you will become 100% unselfish for someone

> > you

> > LOVE.

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Meet the all-new My - Try it today!

>

[Guest guest]

friends

We have gone away from "Venus and mars comb" in BH. But discussion was

interesting uptill .Now it has lost its shine. I think we humans are not

intlligent enough to understand *nature*. It can not be cruxed in a a bottle. So

friends, I think love or sex are different forms of psychic expression. LUst is

always there. We can not get rid of it. It dies with the death of human body. NO

body never ever renounce it in todays world. It has given both agony and

repentance to the man on moment to moment basis.

Pankaj

 

Inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

 

Dear shripal,

The problem may arise when the fellow instead of giving the pedas to

his friends keep it in his bundle for the next day.The hypothetical

story would go in some other way.

Inder

 

- In , Shripal <d_shripal>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I had conversation with my guru this sunday,What I

> understood,When you are living in sansar,What ever is

> happening is decided,nothing is going to

> change,Everything depends on your fate.Fate cannot be

> changed.

>

> Here I remeber one story,two friends walking in

> jungle.One was believer of fate and other was on his

> own hard working.Two travelled through a jungle.They

> had nothing to eat.Both came under a tree.Person A

> believer or fate or bhagaya slep under a tree and

> didn't bother to search for a food.Person B a hard

> working one,started looking for a food.Very soon he

> found it,there 12 padas in that,really big one.He

> started eating one after another,after eating 6,his

> stomach was almost full.a thought came to his mind,let

> give rest of 6 to his friend A,So we woke a other

> person and gave it to him a other six.Mr A also ate.

>

> So what we can understang from a story is that,If Mr

> A's fate didn't signify that ,than thought wouldn't

> have come to Mr B's mind.So when one is in sansar,it

> is mostly a fate than anything else.

>

> But when you are sadhu,all is hard working,in order to

> understand a true form of GOD,no fate will help you.It

> is upto you to get a nirvana.

>

> Now from above you can acknowledge both bodies are of

> material nature only path,direction is different.So it

> is upto a person to choose a path,rest all is decided

> in this world.

>

> --- Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:

>

> > In addition to this, I must also quote two verses

> > from Bhagvat Gita which are very fabourite and

> > adored verses to me -

> >

> > "Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to

> > the qualities he has acquired from the modes of

> > material nature; therefore no one can refrain from

> > doing something, not even for a moment."

> >

> > "One who can see that all activities are performed

> > by the body, which is created of material nature,

> > and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees."

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Let me know if you think I am misunderstanding them.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> > (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> > problem solving remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tanvir

> >

> > Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:26 PM

> > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th

> > House-->Tanvirji

> >

> >

> > Thanks for understanding my points and stating

> > that it's agreeable. The question you raised is a

> > very good question, such as, "What love when we feel

> > kindness or love to a poor hungry child and offer

> > him food that has nothing to do with selfishness?"

> >

> > Basically, it has. It appears that offering food

> > to a poor person has nothing to do with selfishness,

> > but it certainly has. Because it is YOUR URGE and

> > YOUR FEELING that is telling you to do so, to offer

> > food - and by offering food you are *satisfying*

> > your *SELF* and attaining happiness and peace. By

> > offering food and perceived "selfless help" you are

> > "feeling better" and feeling peace and wellness of

> > mind. You are doing for what you are having an urge

> > coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you*

> > that you are satisfying.

> >

> > My answer might sound strange at first but think

> > it deeply you will realize that it is the truth.

> > Kind people are kind for they are *that way* and

> > they like to be kind, they feel better to be kind,

> > it is their urge and intention that they satisfy.

> > Similarly a wicked person feel the urge to to evil

> > things so he does it. Kind person is not good, and

> > wicker person is not bad - this is the ultimate fact

> > and even from astrology it is true that each of them

> > follow their own karma satisfying what they are

> > suppossed to do as per their chart and Dasa Bhukti.

> > And even scientifically it is a matter of their

> > genes and what would be the exact response for the

> > exact person in a particular situation.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> > (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> > problem solving remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> >

> > -

> > Shripal

> >

> > Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM

> > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th

> > House-->Tanvirji

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> >

> > Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If

> > for a

> > moment you see all this things in a unselfish

> > way,than

> > you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It

> > can be

> > for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are

> > not

> > getting a point.What ever you have said is

> > totally

> > agreeable.But some people do exist in this

> > filthy

> > world who help other's for just nothing,Who

> > daily pray

> > to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who

> > takes

> > other people's greivances,just for nothing, All

> > this

> > are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like

> > daan.You

> > expect nothing for what you do to others.You

> > really

> > don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone

> > other

> > than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has

> > got

> > nothing to do with bodies".

> >

> > So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly

> > or

> > unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu

> > are in

> > Love with some one.You ask thousand times

> > yourself,but

> > no answer is there for that,why why you are

> > attaracted

> > to her,even if she is married or not,is that

> > sex,but

> > you don't want to do with her that too,you just

> > want

> > to be with her and hold her hands and dream

> > away.Love

> > is just to be with someone with no reason.It can

> > be

> > with God,mother or wife.Or with your

> > paintings,your

> > own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of

> > Love.Just

> > to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your

> > percentage of unselfishness should be higher

> > than

> > selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that

> > one

> > day you will become 100% unselfish for someone

> > you

> > LOVE.

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Meet the all-new My - Try it today!

>

 

 

 

 

 

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