--------FREE WILL ?? Seeking remedies since over 20 Years

November 12, 2004

Hi all

I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during many years, i

came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a specialist in

jyotish, i have not found until now any serious possibility to bring

some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have seen is that

astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring the event

or the life that are suppose to produce.

To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen anything being of

any help. The only real free will consist in the choices one make in

his life when facing situations brought by the configurations. I

don't think either that, having a stone on a finger, can avoid any of

the charts effects. If it would be the case, we would all use this

methods since a very long time. However, maybe there is a path to

remedies in spiritual practices if one has the right instructions

about what to do and when to do it. I don't think such informations

are available just by typing 'spiritual remedies' on the web search

engines. I am seeking to help people asking me about their charts and

it is not as simple as that.

In addition to this, i have also noticed that the dashas are far from

being reliables. I can provide different charts where the subperiods

of the same planet has produced completely opposite results, god and

bad, whatever the planet was supposed to be malefic or benefic.

I have seen, during 8th lord subperiod, (while this lord is

afflicting closely at less than one degree the lagna lord) a personn

starting a tobacco very prosperous commerce. This commerce still ok

at the moment and the person has entered Ketu Dasha since end 2003.

I also saw in a configuration of a virgo lagna (lord of 12 SU in 2

afflicting the most effective point of 2nd house, lord of 2 VE

combust in 2 at less than 1 deg from sun , lord of 4 JU combust in 2

at 5 deg from sun) - Saturn weak in 4 (very begining of sign)

afflicted by MA in 9 (2 deg aspect) During mahadasha of JU this

person finance were catastrofic.

Finance has improved dramatically during mahadasha of SA during

subperiod of SUN, MOON, MARS. The finance became again catastrofic at

the end of subperiod of MA. So we can say that lord of 12 has brought

a dramatic enhancement of finance through an exceptionnal job

situation althought malefic its effect as proved to be extremely

benefic. Moon weak in 2nd but not combust has maintained this benefic

situation, Mars the 'Most malefic' has laso during its sub period

maintained the above situation. In this events, the situation ended

at the end 2003 when Ketu transited the Libra. The contracts were

exactly stopped by the time Ketu transited the natal triple

conjunction of JU-VE-SUN of the chart.

In another chart, the native almost died at birth due to bad birth

conditions. Saved by the father who is surgeon, this person suffer of

brain damages producing through emyphlegy different levels of damages

on an harm and a leg. At the same time, the person is epileptic.

Building up the chart i discovered that the person was Gemini Lagna.

No malefics, except Rahu & Ketu but the person's life being a hell it

is hard to understand what is the real cause in such configuration.

Even forwarding and backwarding the birth time doesn't provide any

reliable result as per the life of this person.

I can provide in private the data of those charts.

Having said the above, i would appreciate any further information on

remedial. As i am vajrayana buddhist, i am looking also for the

correct correspondances between Indian deities bound to planets and

their equivalence in vajrayana buddhism.

Thanks for any help

Doczorglub

November 12, 2004

So, are you saying that you would expect ideally that all sub-dashas

of any given planet, e.g., surya, lord of 12th from lagna, would

produce the same or similar effects in all dashas? I just wanted to

make sure that I am not misunderstanding you.

RR

, "doczorglub"

<doczorglub> wrote:

>

> Hi all

>

> I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during many years,

i

> came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a specialist

in

> jyotish, i have not found until now any serious possibility to

bring

> some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have seen is that

> astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring the event

> or the life that are suppose to produce.

>

> To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen anything being

of

> any help. The only real free will consist in the choices one make

in

> his life when facing situations brought by the configurations. I

> don't think either that, having a stone on a finger, can avoid any

of

> the charts effects. If it would be the case, we would all use this

> methods since a very long time. However, maybe there is a path to

> remedies in spiritual practices if one has the right instructions

> about what to do and when to do it. I don't think such informations

> are available just by typing 'spiritual remedies' on the web search

> engines. I am seeking to help people asking me about their charts

and

> it is not as simple as that.

>

> In addition to this, i have also noticed that the dashas are far

from

> being reliables. I can provide different charts where the

subperiods

> of the same planet has produced completely opposite results, god

and

> bad, whatever the planet was supposed to be malefic or benefic.

>

> I have seen, during 8th lord subperiod, (while this lord is

> afflicting closely at less than one degree the lagna lord) a

personn

> starting a tobacco very prosperous commerce. This commerce still ok

> at the moment and the person has entered Ketu Dasha since end 2003.

>

> I also saw in a configuration of a virgo lagna (lord of 12 SU in 2

> afflicting the most effective point of 2nd house, lord of 2 VE

> combust in 2 at less than 1 deg from sun , lord of 4 JU combust in

2

> at 5 deg from sun) - Saturn weak in 4 (very begining of sign)

> afflicted by MA in 9 (2 deg aspect) During mahadasha of JU this

> person finance were catastrofic.

>

> Finance has improved dramatically during mahadasha of SA during

> subperiod of SUN, MOON, MARS. The finance became again catastrofic

at

> the end of subperiod of MA. So we can say that lord of 12 has

brought

> a dramatic enhancement of finance through an exceptionnal job

> situation althought malefic its effect as proved to be extremely

> benefic. Moon weak in 2nd but not combust has maintained this

benefic

> situation, Mars the 'Most malefic' has laso during its sub period

> maintained the above situation. In this events, the situation ended

> at the end 2003 when Ketu transited the Libra. The contracts were

> exactly stopped by the time Ketu transited the natal triple

> conjunction of JU-VE-SUN of the chart.

>

> In another chart, the native almost died at birth due to bad birth

> conditions. Saved by the father who is surgeon, this person suffer

of

> brain damages producing through emyphlegy different levels of

damages

> on an harm and a leg. At the same time, the person is epileptic.

> Building up the chart i discovered that the person was Gemini

Lagna.

> No malefics, except Rahu & Ketu but the person's life being a hell

it

> is hard to understand what is the real cause in such configuration.

> Even forwarding and backwarding the birth time doesn't provide any

> reliable result as per the life of this person.

>

> I can provide in private the data of those charts.

>

> Having said the above, i would appreciate any further information

on

> remedial. As i am vajrayana buddhist, i am looking also for the

> correct correspondances between Indian deities bound to planets and

> their equivalence in vajrayana buddhism.

>

> Thanks for any help

>

> Doczorglub

November 14, 2004

Hi rohiniranjan

I think, if a planet is defined as malefic, (I use the SA system but

it may not be the best) it is said that if this malefic afflict one

particular area of life it produce desagrements in this area during

its subperiod. So it seems unexplanable that it should have given

catastrophic results once and extremely good results during the next

subperiod. If a malefic can act this way, pronostic become void and

unreliable. What happend in the chart is yhat lord of 12 is

afflicting second house and in one subperiod produced deep losts but

in another subperiod it gave the opposite. In fact the best financial

periods for the chart were during the mahadasha of SA lord of 6 (weak)

sub period of MOON (Lord of 11 weak) Lord of 12 (debilitated and

afflicting 2nd house and combusting lord of 2nd) and lord of 8 (in

9th house and afflicting the lord of 6)

After studying the chart with few astrologers, it became evident that

the subperiods were not producing the expected effects.

Gil

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

>

> So, are you saying that you would expect ideally that all sub-

dashas

> of any given planet, e.g., surya, lord of 12th from lagna, would

> produce the same or similar effects in all dashas? I just wanted to

> make sure that I am not misunderstanding you.

>

> RR

>

> , "doczorglub"

> <doczorglub> wrote:

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during many

years,

> i

> > came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a specialist

> in

> > jyotish, i have not found until now any serious possibility to

> bring

> > some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have seen is

that

> > astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring the

event

> > or the life that are suppose to produce.

> >

> > To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen anything being

> of

> > any help. The only real free will consist in the choices one make

> in

> > his life when facing situations brought by the configurations. I

> > don't think either that, having a stone on a finger, can avoid

any

> of

> > the charts effects. If it would be the case, we would all use

this

> > methods since a very long time. However, maybe there is a path to

> > remedies in spiritual practices if one has the right instructions

> > about what to do and when to do it. I don't think such

informations

> > are available just by typing 'spiritual remedies' on the web

search

> > engines. I am seeking to help people asking me about their charts

> and

> > it is not as simple as that.

> >

> > In addition to this, i have also noticed that the dashas are far

> from

> > being reliables. I can provide different charts where the

> subperiods

> > of the same planet has produced completely opposite results, god

> and

> > bad, whatever the planet was supposed to be malefic or benefic.

> >

> > I have seen, during 8th lord subperiod, (while this lord is

> > afflicting closely at less than one degree the lagna lord) a

> personn

> > starting a tobacco very prosperous commerce. This commerce still

ok

> > at the moment and the person has entered Ketu Dasha since end

2003.

> >

> > I also saw in a configuration of a virgo lagna (lord of 12 SU in

2

> > afflicting the most effective point of 2nd house, lord of 2 VE

> > combust in 2 at less than 1 deg from sun , lord of 4 JU combust

in

> 2

> > at 5 deg from sun) - Saturn weak in 4 (very begining of sign)

> > afflicted by MA in 9 (2 deg aspect) During mahadasha of JU this

> > person finance were catastrofic.

> >

> > Finance has improved dramatically during mahadasha of SA during

> > subperiod of SUN, MOON, MARS. The finance became again

catastrofic

> at

> > the end of subperiod of MA. So we can say that lord of 12 has

> brought

> > a dramatic enhancement of finance through an exceptionnal job

> > situation althought malefic its effect as proved to be extremely

> > benefic. Moon weak in 2nd but not combust has maintained this

> benefic

> > situation, Mars the 'Most malefic' has laso during its sub period

> > maintained the above situation. In this events, the situation

ended

> > at the end 2003 when Ketu transited the Libra. The contracts were

> > exactly stopped by the time Ketu transited the natal triple

> > conjunction of JU-VE-SUN of the chart.

> >

> > In another chart, the native almost died at birth due to bad

birth

> > conditions. Saved by the father who is surgeon, this person

suffer

> of

> > brain damages producing through emyphlegy different levels of

> damages

> > on an harm and a leg. At the same time, the person is epileptic.

> > Building up the chart i discovered that the person was Gemini

> Lagna.

> > No malefics, except Rahu & Ketu but the person's life being a

hell

> it

> > is hard to understand what is the real cause in such

configuration.

> > Even forwarding and backwarding the birth time doesn't provide

any

> > reliable result as per the life of this person.

> >

> > I can provide in private the data of those charts.

> >

> > Having said the above, i would appreciate any further information

> on

> > remedial. As i am vajrayana buddhist, i am looking also for the

> > correct correspondances between Indian deities bound to planets

and

> > their equivalence in vajrayana buddhism.

> >

> > Thanks for any help

> >

> > Doczorglub

November 14, 2004

So am I to understand that you or perhaps SA gives no

weight/consideration to the dasha lord (major period lord)? If like

homeopathy, the effect becomes more potent as we go to finer and

finer periods, then why stop at the sub-period?

Or is there another explanation to this puzzle that you are

discussing?

RR

, "doczorglub"

<doczorglub> wrote:

>

> Hi rohiniranjan

>

> I think, if a planet is defined as malefic, (I use the SA system but

> it may not be the best) it is said that if this malefic afflict one

> particular area of life it produce desagrements in this area during

> its subperiod. So it seems unexplanable that it should have given

> catastrophic results once and extremely good results during the

> unreliable. What happend in the chart is yhat lord of 12 is

> afflicting second house and in one subperiod produced deep losts

but

> in another subperiod it gave the opposite. In fact the best

financial

> periods for the chart were during the mahadasha of SA lord of 6

(weak)

> sub period of MOON (Lord of 11 weak) Lord of 12 (debilitated and

> afflicting 2nd house and combusting lord of 2nd) and lord of 8 (in

> 9th house and afflicting the lord of 6)

>

> After studying the chart with few astrologers, it became evident

that

> the subperiods were not producing the expected effects.

>

> Gil

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > So, are you saying that you would expect ideally that all sub-

> dashas

> > of any given planet, e.g., surya, lord of 12th from lagna, would

> > produce the same or similar effects in all dashas? I just wanted

to

> > make sure that I am not misunderstanding you.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "doczorglub"

> > <doczorglub> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi all

> > >

> > > I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during many

> years,

> > i

> > > came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a

specialist

> > in

> > > jyotish, i have not found until now any serious possibility to

> > bring

> > > some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have seen is

> that

> > > astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring the

> event

> > > or the life that are suppose to produce.

> > >

> > > To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen anything

being

> > of

> > > any help. The only real free will consist in the choices one

make

> > in

> > > his life when facing situations brought by the configurations.

I

> > > don't think either that, having a stone on a finger, can avoid

> any

> > of

> > > the charts effects. If it would be the case, we would all use

> this

> > > methods since a very long time. However, maybe there is a path

to

> > > remedies in spiritual practices if one has the right

instructions

> > > about what to do and when to do it. I don't think such

> informations

> > > are available just by typing 'spiritual remedies' on the web

> search

> > > engines. I am seeking to help people asking me about their

charts

> > and

> > > it is not as simple as that.

> > >

> > > In addition to this, i have also noticed that the dashas are

far

> > from

> > > being reliables. I can provide different charts where the

> > subperiods

> > > of the same planet has produced completely opposite results,

god

> > and

> > > bad, whatever the planet was supposed to be malefic or benefic.

> > >

> > > I have seen, during 8th lord subperiod, (while this lord is

> > > afflicting closely at less than one degree the lagna lord) a

> > personn

> > > starting a tobacco very prosperous commerce. This commerce

still

> ok

> > > at the moment and the person has entered Ketu Dasha since end

> 2003.

> > >

> > > I also saw in a configuration of a virgo lagna (lord of 12 SU

in

> 2

> > > afflicting the most effective point of 2nd house, lord of 2 VE

> > > combust in 2 at less than 1 deg from sun , lord of 4 JU combust

> in

> > 2

> > > at 5 deg from sun) - Saturn weak in 4 (very begining of sign)

> > > afflicted by MA in 9 (2 deg aspect) During mahadasha of JU this

> > > person finance were catastrofic.

> > >

> > > Finance has improved dramatically during mahadasha of SA during

> > > subperiod of SUN, MOON, MARS. The finance became again

> catastrofic

> > at

> > > the end of subperiod of MA. So we can say that lord of 12 has

> > brought

> > > a dramatic enhancement of finance through an exceptionnal job

> > > situation althought malefic its effect as proved to be

extremely

> > > benefic. Moon weak in 2nd but not combust has maintained this

> > benefic

> > > situation, Mars the 'Most malefic' has laso during its sub

period

> > > maintained the above situation. In this events, the situation

> ended

> > > at the end 2003 when Ketu transited the Libra. The contracts

were

> > > exactly stopped by the time Ketu transited the natal triple

> > > conjunction of JU-VE-SUN of the chart.

> > >

> > > In another chart, the native almost died at birth due to bad

> birth

> > > conditions. Saved by the father who is surgeon, this person

> suffer

> > of

> > > brain damages producing through emyphlegy different levels of

> > damages

> > > on an harm and a leg. At the same time, the person is

epileptic.

> > > Building up the chart i discovered that the person was Gemini

> > Lagna.

> > > No malefics, except Rahu & Ketu but the person's life being a

> hell

> > it

> > > is hard to understand what is the real cause in such

> configuration.

> > > Even forwarding and backwarding the birth time doesn't provide

> any

> > > reliable result as per the life of this person.

> > >

> > > I can provide in private the data of those charts.

> > >

> > > Having said the above, i would appreciate any further

information

> > on

> > > remedial. As i am vajrayana buddhist, i am looking also for the

> > > correct correspondances between Indian deities bound to planets

> and

> > > their equivalence in vajrayana buddhism.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help

> > >

> > > Doczorglub

November 15, 2004

Hi,

This is the chart i discussed. I hope you can see it well.

--------------------------------

| | | | |

| KE 28.31| |(MA) 3.49 | |

| | | | |

|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

| |CHART NATAL | |

| |AYANAMSA Krushna | |

| | | |

|---------------| |---------------|

| | | |

|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

| SA 1.17 | ME 14.47| SU 24.55|AS 23° |

| | | VE 24.39|RA 28° |

| | | JU 20.58| |

| | | MO 9.24 | |

| | | | |

|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

--------------------------------

| | | | |

| |SA |VE | |

| KE |JU |SU | |

| | | | |

|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

| |NAVAMS CHART | |

| (MA) | | |

| | | |

|---------------| |---------------|

| | |AS |

| | | |

|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

| MO | ME | | |

| | | |RA |

| | | | |

|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

Dashas where

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Maha Dasas:

Rah: 1955-04-16 - 1973-04-15

Jup: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

Sat: 1989-04-15 - 2008-04-15

Merc: 2008-04-15 - 2025-04-15

Ket: 2025-04-15 - 2032-04-15

Ven: 2032-04-15 - 2052-04-14

Sun: 2052-04-14 - 2058-04-15

Moon: 2058-04-15 - 2068-04-14

Mars: 2068-04-14 - 2075-04-15

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Jup MD: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

Antardasas in this MD:

Jup: 1973-04-15 - 1975-06-04

Sat: 1975-06-04 - 1977-12-15

Merc: 1977-12-15 - 1980-03-22

Ket: 1980-03-22 - 1981-02-26

Ven: 1981-02-26 - 1983-10-28

Sun: 1983-10-28 - 1984-08-15

Moon: 1984-08-15 - 1985-12-15

Mars: 1985-12-15 - 1986-11-21

Rah: 1986-11-21 - 1989-04-15

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Jup MD: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

Sat AD: 1975-06-04 - 1977-12-15

Pratyantardasas in this AD:

Sat: 1975-06-04 - 1975-10-28

Merc: 1975-10-28 - 1976-03-07

Ket: 1976-03-07 - 1976-04-30

Ven: 1976-04-30 - 1976-10-01

Sun: 1976-10-01 - 1976-11-17

Moon: 1976-11-17 - 1977-02-02

Mars: 1977-02-02 - 1977-03-28

Rah: 1977-03-28 - 1977-08-13

Jup: 1977-08-13 - 1977-12-15

Now, for financial the mahadasha of JU was a disaster. This can be

seen in the lord of 12 afflicting JU and the second. The worst

periods were 1982-1985 but during all the mahadasha of JU no financial

normal income took place. MAll attempts ended with a bankrupcy.

During the mahadasha of SA lord of 6 the financial life a been better

and an extraordinary income took place during 1999-2004 (end of 2003)

since this december 2003 income has fall to zero.

If i consider transits, JU is actually transiting the ascendant of

the chart and nothing happened since it started.

The native has however spiritual practice since long time, could this

be an explaination about the response of the chart ?

doczorglub

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

>

> So am I to understand that you or perhaps SA gives no

> weight/consideration to the dasha lord (major period lord)? If like

> homeopathy, the effect becomes more potent as we go to finer and

> finer periods, then why stop at the sub-period?

>

> Or is there another explanation to this puzzle that you are

> discussing?

>

> RR

>

> , "doczorglub"

> <doczorglub> wrote:

> >

> > Hi rohiniranjan

> >

> > I think, if a planet is defined as malefic, (I use the SA system

but

> > it may not be the best) it is said that if this malefic afflict

one

> > particular area of life it produce desagrements in this area

during

> > its subperiod. So it seems unexplanable that it should have given

> > catastrophic results once and extremely good results during the

> next

> > subperiod. If a malefic can act this way, pronostic become void

and

> > unreliable. What happend in the chart is yhat lord of 12 is

> > afflicting second house and in one subperiod produced deep losts

> but

> > in another subperiod it gave the opposite. In fact the best

> financial

> > periods for the chart were during the mahadasha of SA lord of 6

> (weak)

> > sub period of MOON (Lord of 11 weak) Lord of 12 (debilitated and

> > afflicting 2nd house and combusting lord of 2nd) and lord of 8

(in

> > 9th house and afflicting the lord of 6)

> >

> > After studying the chart with few astrologers, it became evident

> that

> > the subperiods were not producing the expected effects.

> >

> > Gil

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > So, are you saying that you would expect ideally that all sub-

> > dashas

> > > of any given planet, e.g., surya, lord of 12th from lagna,

would

> > > produce the same or similar effects in all dashas? I just

wanted

> to

> > > make sure that I am not misunderstanding you.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "doczorglub"

> > > <doczorglub> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi all

> > > >

> > > > I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during many

> > years,

> > > i

> > > > came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a

> specialist

> > > in

> > > > jyotish, i have not found until now any serious possibility

to

> > > bring

> > > > some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have seen

is

> > that

> > > > astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring the

> > event

> > > > or the life that are suppose to produce.

> > > >

> > > > To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen anything

> being

> > > of

> > > > any help. The only real free will consist in the choices one

> make

> > > in

> > > > his life when facing situations brought by the

configurations.

> I

> > > > don't think either that, having a stone on a finger, can

avoid

> > any

> > > of

> > > > the charts effects. If it would be the case, we would all use

> > this

> > > > methods since a very long time. However, maybe there is a

path

> to

> > > > remedies in spiritual practices if one has the right

> instructions

> > > > about what to do and when to do it. I don't think such

> > informations

> > > > are available just by typing 'spiritual remedies' on the web

> > search

> > > > engines. I am seeking to help people asking me about their

> charts

> > > and

> > > > it is not as simple as that.

> > > >

> > > > In addition to this, i have also noticed that the dashas are

> far

> > > from

> > > > being reliables. I can provide different charts where the

> > > subperiods

> > > > of the same planet has produced completely opposite results,

> god

> > > and

> > > > bad, whatever the planet was supposed to be malefic or

benefic.

> > > >

> > > > I have seen, during 8th lord subperiod, (while this lord is

> > > > afflicting closely at less than one degree the lagna lord) a

> > > personn

> > > > starting a tobacco very prosperous commerce. This commerce

> still

> > ok

> > > > at the moment and the person has entered Ketu Dasha since end

> > 2003.

> > > >

> > > > I also saw in a configuration of a virgo lagna (lord of 12 SU

> in

> > 2

> > > > afflicting the most effective point of 2nd house, lord of 2

VE

> > > > combust in 2 at less than 1 deg from sun , lord of 4 JU

combust

> > in

> > > 2

> > > > at 5 deg from sun) - Saturn weak in 4 (very begining of sign)

> > > > afflicted by MA in 9 (2 deg aspect) During mahadasha of JU

this

> > > > person finance were catastrofic.

> > > >

> > > > Finance has improved dramatically during mahadasha of SA

during

> > > > subperiod of SUN, MOON, MARS. The finance became again

> > catastrofic

> > > at

> > > > the end of subperiod of MA. So we can say that lord of 12 has

> > > brought

> > > > a dramatic enhancement of finance through an exceptionnal job

> > > > situation althought malefic its effect as proved to be

> extremely

> > > > benefic. Moon weak in 2nd but not combust has maintained this

> > > benefic

> > > > situation, Mars the 'Most malefic' has laso during its sub

> period

> > > > maintained the above situation. In this events, the situation

> > ended

> > > > at the end 2003 when Ketu transited the Libra. The contracts

> were

> > > > exactly stopped by the time Ketu transited the natal triple

> > > > conjunction of JU-VE-SUN of the chart.

> > > >

> > > > In another chart, the native almost died at birth due to bad

> > birth

> > > > conditions. Saved by the father who is surgeon, this person

> > suffer

> > > of

> > > > brain damages producing through emyphlegy different levels of

> > > damages

> > > > on an harm and a leg. At the same time, the person is

> epileptic.

> > > > Building up the chart i discovered that the person was Gemini

> > > Lagna.

> > > > No malefics, except Rahu & Ketu but the person's life being a

> > hell

> > > it

> > > > is hard to understand what is the real cause in such

> > configuration.

> > > > Even forwarding and backwarding the birth time doesn't

provide

> > any

> > > > reliable result as per the life of this person.

> > > >

> > > > I can provide in private the data of those charts.

> > > >

> > > > Having said the above, i would appreciate any further

> information

> > > on

> > > > remedial. As i am vajrayana buddhist, i am looking also for

the

> > > > correct correspondances between Indian deities bound to

planets

> > and

> > > > their equivalence in vajrayana buddhism.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any help

> > > >

> > > > Doczorglub

November 15, 2004

please post the birthdata so those who use other ayanamshas etc can

look.

, "doczorglub"

<doczorglub> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> This is the chart i discussed. I hope you can see it well.

>

> --------------------------------

> | | | | |

> | KE 28.31| |(MA) 3.49 | |

> | | | | |

> |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> | |CHART NATAL | |

> | |AYANAMSA Krushna | |

> | | | |

> |---------------| |---------------|

> | | | |

> |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> | SA 1.17 | ME 14.47| SU 24.55|AS 23° |

> | | | VE 24.39|RA 28° |

> | | | JU 20.58| |

> | | | MO 9.24 | |

> | | | | |

> |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

>

> --------------------------------

> | | | | |

> | |SA |VE | |

> | KE |JU |SU | |

> | | | | |

> |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> | |NAVAMS CHART | |

> | (MA) | | |

> | | | |

> |---------------| |---------------|

> | | |AS |

> | | | |

> |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> | MO | ME | | |

> | | | |RA |

> | | | | |

> |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

>

> Dashas where

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Maha Dasas:

>

> Rah: 1955-04-16 - 1973-04-15

> Jup: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

> Sat: 1989-04-15 - 2008-04-15

> Merc: 2008-04-15 - 2025-04-15

> Ket: 2025-04-15 - 2032-04-15

> Ven: 2032-04-15 - 2052-04-14

> Sun: 2052-04-14 - 2058-04-15

> Moon: 2058-04-15 - 2068-04-14

> Mars: 2068-04-14 - 2075-04-15

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Jup MD: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

>

> Antardasas in this MD:

>

> Jup: 1973-04-15 - 1975-06-04

> Sat: 1975-06-04 - 1977-12-15

> Merc: 1977-12-15 - 1980-03-22

> Ket: 1980-03-22 - 1981-02-26

> Ven: 1981-02-26 - 1983-10-28

> Sun: 1983-10-28 - 1984-08-15

> Moon: 1984-08-15 - 1985-12-15

> Mars: 1985-12-15 - 1986-11-21

> Rah: 1986-11-21 - 1989-04-15

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Jup MD: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

> Sat AD: 1975-06-04 - 1977-12-15

>

> Pratyantardasas in this AD:

>

> Sat: 1975-06-04 - 1975-10-28

> Merc: 1975-10-28 - 1976-03-07

> Ket: 1976-03-07 - 1976-04-30

> Ven: 1976-04-30 - 1976-10-01

> Sun: 1976-10-01 - 1976-11-17

> Moon: 1976-11-17 - 1977-02-02

> Mars: 1977-02-02 - 1977-03-28

> Rah: 1977-03-28 - 1977-08-13

> Jup: 1977-08-13 - 1977-12-15

>

> Now, for financial the mahadasha of JU was a disaster. This can be

> seen in the lord of 12 afflicting JU and the second. The worst

> periods were 1982-1985 but during all the mahadasha of JU no

financial

> normal income took place. MAll attempts ended with a bankrupcy.

> During the mahadasha of SA lord of 6 the financial life a been

better

> and an extraordinary income took place during 1999-2004 (end of

2003)

> since this december 2003 income has fall to zero.

>

> If i consider transits, JU is actually transiting the ascendant of

> the chart and nothing happened since it started.

>

> The native has however spiritual practice since long time, could

this

> be an explaination about the response of the chart ?

>

> doczorglub

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > So am I to understand that you or perhaps SA gives no

> > weight/consideration to the dasha lord (major period lord)? If

like

> > homeopathy, the effect becomes more potent as we go to finer and

> > finer periods, then why stop at the sub-period?

> >

> > Or is there another explanation to this puzzle that you are

> > discussing?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "doczorglub"

> > <doczorglub> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > I think, if a planet is defined as malefic, (I use the SA

system

> but

> > > it may not be the best) it is said that if this malefic afflict

> one

> > > particular area of life it produce desagrements in this area

> during

> > > its subperiod. So it seems unexplanable that it should have

given

> > > catastrophic results once and extremely good results during the

> > next

> > > subperiod. If a malefic can act this way, pronostic become void

> and

> > > unreliable. What happend in the chart is yhat lord of 12 is

> > > afflicting second house and in one subperiod produced deep

losts

> > but

> > > in another subperiod it gave the opposite. In fact the best

> > financial

> > > periods for the chart were during the mahadasha of SA lord of 6

> > (weak)

> > > sub period of MOON (Lord of 11 weak) Lord of 12 (debilitated

and

> > > afflicting 2nd house and combusting lord of 2nd) and lord of 8

> (in

> > > 9th house and afflicting the lord of 6)

> > >

> > > After studying the chart with few astrologers, it became

evident

> > that

> > > the subperiods were not producing the expected effects.

> > >

> > > Gil

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > So, are you saying that you would expect ideally that all sub-

> > > dashas

> > > > of any given planet, e.g., surya, lord of 12th from lagna,

> would

> > > > produce the same or similar effects in all dashas? I just

> wanted

> > to

> > > > make sure that I am not misunderstanding you.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "doczorglub"

> > > > <doczorglub> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all

> > > > >

> > > > > I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during

many

> > > years,

> > > > i

> > > > > came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a

> > specialist

> > > > in

> > > > > jyotish, i have not found until now any serious possibility

> to

> > > > bring

> > > > > some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have seen

> is

> > > that

> > > > > astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring

the

> > > event

> > > > > or the life that are suppose to produce.

> > > > >

> > > > > To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen anything

> > being

> > > > of

> > > > > any help. The only real free will consist in the choices

one

> > make

> > > > in

> > > > > his life when facing situations brought by the

> configurations.

> > I

> > > > > don't think either that, having a stone on a finger, can

> avoid

> > > any

> > > > of

> > > > > the charts effects. If it would be the case, we would all

use

> > > this

> > > > > methods since a very long time. However, maybe there is a

> path

> > to

> > > > > remedies in spiritual practices if one has the right

> > instructions

> > > > > about what to do and when to do it. I don't think such

> > > informations

> > > > > are available just by typing 'spiritual remedies' on the

web

> > > search

> > > > > engines. I am seeking to help people asking me about their

> > charts

> > > > and

> > > > > it is not as simple as that.

> > > > >

> > > > > In addition to this, i have also noticed that the dashas

are

> > far

> > > > from

> > > > > being reliables. I can provide different charts where the

> > > > subperiods

> > > > > of the same planet has produced completely opposite

results,

> > god

> > > > and

> > > > > bad, whatever the planet was supposed to be malefic or

> benefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen, during 8th lord subperiod, (while this lord is

> > > > > afflicting closely at less than one degree the lagna lord)

a

> > > > personn

> > > > > starting a tobacco very prosperous commerce. This commerce

> > still

> > > ok

> > > > > at the moment and the person has entered Ketu Dasha since

end

> > > 2003.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also saw in a configuration of a virgo lagna (lord of 12

SU

> > in

> > > 2

> > > > > afflicting the most effective point of 2nd house, lord of 2

> VE

> > > > > combust in 2 at less than 1 deg from sun , lord of 4 JU

> combust

> > > in

> > > > 2

> > > > > at 5 deg from sun) - Saturn weak in 4 (very begining of

sign)

> > > > > afflicted by MA in 9 (2 deg aspect) During mahadasha of JU

> this

> > > > > person finance were catastrofic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Finance has improved dramatically during mahadasha of SA

> during

> > > > > subperiod of SUN, MOON, MARS. The finance became again

> > > catastrofic

> > > > at

> > > > > the end of subperiod of MA. So we can say that lord of 12

has

> > > > brought

> > > > > a dramatic enhancement of finance through an exceptionnal

job

> > > > > situation althought malefic its effect as proved to be

> > extremely

> > > > > benefic. Moon weak in 2nd but not combust has maintained

this

> > > > benefic

> > > > > situation, Mars the 'Most malefic' has laso during its sub

> > period

> > > > > maintained the above situation. In this events, the

situation

> > > ended

> > > > > at the end 2003 when Ketu transited the Libra. The

contracts

> > were

> > > > > exactly stopped by the time Ketu transited the natal triple

> > > > > conjunction of JU-VE-SUN of the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > In another chart, the native almost died at birth due to

bad

> > > birth

> > > > > conditions. Saved by the father who is surgeon, this person

> > > suffer

> > > > of

> > > > > brain damages producing through emyphlegy different levels

of

> > > > damages

> > > > > on an harm and a leg. At the same time, the person is

> > epileptic.

> > > > > Building up the chart i discovered that the person was

Gemini

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > No malefics, except Rahu & Ketu but the person's life being

a

> > > hell

> > > > it

> > > > > is hard to understand what is the real cause in such

> > > configuration.

> > > > > Even forwarding and backwarding the birth time doesn't

> provide

> > > any

> > > > > reliable result as per the life of this person.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can provide in private the data of those charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Having said the above, i would appreciate any further

> > information

> > > > on

> > > > > remedial. As i am vajrayana buddhist, i am looking also for

> the

> > > > > correct correspondances between Indian deities bound to

> planets

> > > and

> > > > > their equivalence in vajrayana buddhism.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any help

> > > > >

> > > > > Doczorglub

November 16, 2004

Dear rohiniranjan

The birth data is as follow

birth data

paris la 48n50 lon 2e20

date nov 10-1958

time 5h10 am

ASC virgo 23° - 22°

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

>

> please post the birthdata so those who use other ayanamshas etc can

> look.

>

> , "doczorglub"

> <doczorglub> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > This is the chart i discussed. I hope you can see it well.

> >

> > --------------------------------

> > | | | | |

> > | KE 28.31| |(MA) 3.49 | |

> > | | | | |

> > |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> > | |CHART NATAL | |

> > | |AYANAMSA Krushna | |

> > | | | |

> > |---------------| |---------------|

> > | | | |

> > |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> > | SA 1.17 | ME 14.47| SU 24.55|AS 23° |

> > | | | VE 24.39|RA 28° |

> > | | | JU 20.58| |

> > | | | MO 9.24 | |

> > | | | | |

> > |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> >

> > --------------------------------

> > | | | | |

> > | |SA |VE | |

> > | KE |JU |SU | |

> > | | | | |

> > |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> > | |NAVAMS CHART | |

> > | (MA) | | |

> > | | | |

> > |---------------| |---------------|

> > | | |AS |

> > | | | |

> > |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> > | MO | ME | | |

> > | | | |RA |

> > | | | | |

> > |---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|

> >

> > Dashas where

> >

> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> >

> > Maha Dasas:

> >

> > Rah: 1955-04-16 - 1973-04-15

> > Jup: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

> > Sat: 1989-04-15 - 2008-04-15

> > Merc: 2008-04-15 - 2025-04-15

> > Ket: 2025-04-15 - 2032-04-15

> > Ven: 2032-04-15 - 2052-04-14

> > Sun: 2052-04-14 - 2058-04-15

> > Moon: 2058-04-15 - 2068-04-14

> > Mars: 2068-04-14 - 2075-04-15

> >

> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> >

> > Jup MD: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

> >

> > Antardasas in this MD:

> >

> > Jup: 1973-04-15 - 1975-06-04

> > Sat: 1975-06-04 - 1977-12-15

> > Merc: 1977-12-15 - 1980-03-22

> > Ket: 1980-03-22 - 1981-02-26

> > Ven: 1981-02-26 - 1983-10-28

> > Sun: 1983-10-28 - 1984-08-15

> > Moon: 1984-08-15 - 1985-12-15

> > Mars: 1985-12-15 - 1986-11-21

> > Rah: 1986-11-21 - 1989-04-15

> >

> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> >

> > Jup MD: 1973-04-15 - 1989-04-15

> > Sat AD: 1975-06-04 - 1977-12-15

> >

> > Pratyantardasas in this AD:

> >

> > Sat: 1975-06-04 - 1975-10-28

> > Merc: 1975-10-28 - 1976-03-07

> > Ket: 1976-03-07 - 1976-04-30

> > Ven: 1976-04-30 - 1976-10-01

> > Sun: 1976-10-01 - 1976-11-17

> > Moon: 1976-11-17 - 1977-02-02

> > Mars: 1977-02-02 - 1977-03-28

> > Rah: 1977-03-28 - 1977-08-13

> > Jup: 1977-08-13 - 1977-12-15

> >

> > Now, for financial the mahadasha of JU was a disaster. This can

be

> > seen in the lord of 12 afflicting JU and the second. The worst

> > periods were 1982-1985 but during all the mahadasha of JU no

> financial

> > normal income took place. MAll attempts ended with a bankrupcy.

> > During the mahadasha of SA lord of 6 the financial life a been

> better

> > and an extraordinary income took place during 1999-2004 (end of

> 2003)

> > since this december 2003 income has fall to zero.

> >

> > If i consider transits, JU is actually transiting the ascendant

of

> > the chart and nothing happened since it started.

> >

> > The native has however spiritual practice since long time, could

> this

> > be an explaination about the response of the chart ?

> >

> > doczorglub

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > So am I to understand that you or perhaps SA gives no

> > > weight/consideration to the dasha lord (major period lord)? If

> like

> > > homeopathy, the effect becomes more potent as we go to finer

and

> > > finer periods, then why stop at the sub-period?

> > >

> > > Or is there another explanation to this puzzle that you are

> > > discussing?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "doczorglub"

> > > <doczorglub> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > I think, if a planet is defined as malefic, (I use the SA

> system

> > but

> > > > it may not be the best) it is said that if this malefic

afflict

> > one

> > > > particular area of life it produce desagrements in this area

> > during

> > > > its subperiod. So it seems unexplanable that it should have

> given

> > > > catastrophic results once and extremely good results during

the

> > > next

> > > > subperiod. If a malefic can act this way, pronostic become

void

> > and

> > > > unreliable. What happend in the chart is yhat lord of 12 is

> > > > afflicting second house and in one subperiod produced deep

> losts

> > > but

> > > > in another subperiod it gave the opposite. In fact the best

> > > financial

> > > > periods for the chart were during the mahadasha of SA lord of

6

> > > (weak)

> > > > sub period of MOON (Lord of 11 weak) Lord of 12 (debilitated

> and

> > > > afflicting 2nd house and combusting lord of 2nd) and lord of

8

> > (in

> > > > 9th house and afflicting the lord of 6)

> > > >

> > > > After studying the chart with few astrologers, it became

> evident

> > > that

> > > > the subperiods were not producing the expected effects.

> > > >

> > > > Gil

> > > >

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > So, are you saying that you would expect ideally that all

sub-

> > > > dashas

> > > > > of any given planet, e.g., surya, lord of 12th from lagna,

> > would

> > > > > produce the same or similar effects in all dashas? I just

> > wanted

> > > to

> > > > > make sure that I am not misunderstanding you.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "doczorglub"

> > > > > <doczorglub> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during

> many

> > > > years,

> > > > > i

> > > > > > came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a

> > > specialist

> > > > > in

> > > > > > jyotish, i have not found until now any serious

possibility

> > to

> > > > > bring

> > > > > > some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have

seen

> > is

> > > > that

> > > > > > astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring

> the

> > > > event

> > > > > > or the life that are suppose to produce.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen

anything

> > > being

> > > > > of

> > > > > > any help. The only real free will consist in the choices

> one

> > > make

> > > > > in

> > > > > > his life when facing situations brought by the

> > configurations.

> > > I

> > > > > > don't think either that, having a stone on a finger, can

> > avoid

> > > > any

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the charts effects. If it would be the case, we would all

> use

> > > > this

> > > > > > methods since a very long time. However, maybe there is a

> > path

> > > to

> > > > > > remedies in spiritual practices if one has the right

> > > instructions

> > > > > > about what to do and when to do it. I don't think such

> > > > informations

> > > > > > are available just by typing 'spiritual remedies' on the

> web

> > > > search

> > > > > > engines. I am seeking to help people asking me about

their

> > > charts

> > > > > and

> > > > > > it is not as simple as that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In addition to this, i have also noticed that the dashas

> are

> > > far

> > > > > from

> > > > > > being reliables. I can provide different charts where the

> > > > > subperiods

> > > > > > of the same planet has produced completely opposite

> results,

> > > god

> > > > > and

> > > > > > bad, whatever the planet was supposed to be malefic or

> > benefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have seen, during 8th lord subperiod, (while this lord

is

> > > > > > afflicting closely at less than one degree the lagna

lord)

> a

> > > > > personn

> > > > > > starting a tobacco very prosperous commerce. This

commerce

> > > still

> > > > ok

> > > > > > at the moment and the person has entered Ketu Dasha since

> end

> > > > 2003.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also saw in a configuration of a virgo lagna (lord of

12

> SU

> > > in

> > > > 2

> > > > > > afflicting the most effective point of 2nd house, lord of

2

> > VE

> > > > > > combust in 2 at less than 1 deg from sun , lord of 4 JU

> > combust

> > > > in

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > at 5 deg from sun) - Saturn weak in 4 (very begining of

> sign)

> > > > > > afflicted by MA in 9 (2 deg aspect) During mahadasha of

JU

> > this

> > > > > > person finance were catastrofic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finance has improved dramatically during mahadasha of SA

> > during

> > > > > > subperiod of SUN, MOON, MARS. The finance became again

> > > > catastrofic

> > > > > at

> > > > > > the end of subperiod of MA. So we can say that lord of 12

> has

> > > > > brought

> > > > > > a dramatic enhancement of finance through an exceptionnal

> job

> > > > > > situation althought malefic its effect as proved to be

> > > extremely

> > > > > > benefic. Moon weak in 2nd but not combust has maintained

> this

> > > > > benefic

> > > > > > situation, Mars the 'Most malefic' has laso during its

sub

> > > period

> > > > > > maintained the above situation. In this events, the

> situation

> > > > ended

> > > > > > at the end 2003 when Ketu transited the Libra. The

> contracts

> > > were

> > > > > > exactly stopped by the time Ketu transited the natal

triple

> > > > > > conjunction of JU-VE-SUN of the chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In another chart, the native almost died at birth due to

> bad

> > > > birth

> > > > > > conditions. Saved by the father who is surgeon, this

person

> > > > suffer

> > > > > of

> > > > > > brain damages producing through emyphlegy different

levels

> of

> > > > > damages

> > > > > > on an harm and a leg. At the same time, the person is

> > > epileptic.

> > > > > > Building up the chart i discovered that the person was

> Gemini

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > No malefics, except Rahu & Ketu but the person's life

being

> a

> > > > hell

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is hard to understand what is the real cause in such

> > > > configuration.

> > > > > > Even forwarding and backwarding the birth time doesn't

> > provide

> > > > any

> > > > > > reliable result as per the life of this person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can provide in private the data of those charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Having said the above, i would appreciate any further

> > > information

> > > > > on

> > > > > > remedial. As i am vajrayana buddhist, i am looking also

for

> > the

> > > > > > correct correspondances between Indian deities bound to

> > planets

> > > > and

> > > > > > their equivalence in vajrayana buddhism.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for any help

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Doczorglub

November 23, 2004

Please see my answers below :

>>>>>>> I am 46 y old. After studying tropical astrology during many years, i

came to jyotish since a few years. Although i am not a specialist in

jyotish, i have not found until now any serious possibility to bring

some releif through eventual remedies. All what i have seen is that

astrological configurations, probably due to karma, bring the event

or the life that are suppose to produce.

TANVIR: Exactly. No free will is there. But the supposed REMEDIES are part of

the karma, and indicated in the chart as well. But in a subtle way. Since it is

a subtle way, there lies the room for effort. A part of every prediction is in

the dark / unsurity and there lies our room for EFFORT, though it is all fixed

and pre-planned.

Remedies are part of karma too. MOST OF THE TIMES chart is the life itself,

but in some RARE cases chart is NOT the EXACT life and then the mist-match is

balanced by remedies. In other words, for a successful remedy you can be rich

though you are seen poor in the chart. So here, chart is NOT equal / harmonious

to real life. So we can say that remedy made you rich. But we can also say that

the chart showed you as a poor person but you are a rich person which could

materialized through an excuse of remedies. The later one is ULTIMATELY CORRECT.

>>>>>>> To avoid such configuration effect, i haven't seen anything being of