Gemstones, remedies, FREE WILL (RE: Current discussion)--Tanvir

November 10, 2004

A long story....eh? anyways, Tanvir, if it was so easy to change

our fate with gems, at least a few of us, SOME who claim to be good

astrologers and know the remedies would all have got what they

wanted...well i have no idea about if refractive indices can effect

our body or not (I dont wear any gem stone or any thing)...just an

opinion...they may have...but on fate I have doubts.

Manoshi

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> Refractive indices of the gem stones may have something to do with

the body... hm, I see ! :-D

>

> I have seen talking my chemistry teacher that all gemstones are

basically of same chemical composition, and hence the efficacy of

gemstones on a human body can not be proved scientifically. Most for

when it comes about different stones bringing different kinds of

effects.

>

> If you have come across any scientific documents showing gems

chemical composition affecting one's health, mind etc., self would

be interested to read it. Please forward me or else do let me know

about the unavailability of the same, self would be waiting.

>

> However whatever things can be proved by chemical compositions of

gems, it is indeed very difficult to prove their AREA OF EFFICACY

for a particular person. As an example, a blue sapphire's stone

giving me huge monetory gains when I wore it, a 5L+6L in 2H explains

this. Any gems effects and results very much behaves as per the

position of the planet in the chart. it never gives an effect on an

area where it is not connected in the chart.

>

> Some say gems do not affect the fate. They can just make you more

attentive, more energetic that leads to success indirectly. Bla bla

bla. I have listened to this manytimes. But how come only those

areas concerned in the chart be affected? Gems thus behave in

a "systematic way". All remedies such as mantras, yajnas, even

chairities behave in the same way. It is not that you do any

remedies and random things happen. But just those things connected

with the planet in the charts get affected. This is a most divine

prove of the Jyotish itself.

>

> One simple thing people really do not understand that what is you

LUCK is the result of the behaviour of people around you. So

whatever remedy you do (Mantra/ yajna /stones/charity) which

improves your luck / has an effect on your luck MUST change some

behaviour of people around you so that the change in your luck comes

to be materialized. A mantra might bring a promotion but there your

upper level admin's free will is controlled to make that happen. A

wrong stone making you hunt in an accident did control the taxy

drivers free will to drive the taxy in a risky way, or to be out of

mind for a while.

>

> People really fail to see how each of our behaviours, including

the chart readers own behaviours are fully under control, all behave

as per their karma, and that is their chart.

>

> Even if the gems JUST affect our body and mind, it DOES ending up

affecting our fate as usual, also the fates of the people around us.

A gemstone making you feel tired or depressive make you deny to go

out with your lover for a walk, then indeed there is some changes in

your lovers fate already ! Behaviour and fate walk together and

affecting anyone would affect the other one, and thus the effect of

remedies on our fate as well as behaviour is very perfectly

justified.

>

> An astrologer reads the chart, gives remedies, but that is VERY

MUCH being under the influence of planets. Otherwise, what the

idiots study "Charts of astrologers" ? If a chart of an astrologer

shows such, then the person is actually forced to be an astrologer

as per his destiny, what we could predict right when he was born.

Same thing applies abt doctors, attorneys, police, army officers,

govt officials, writers etc etc. We praise someone that he has great

writing ability. And we also see that his chart says so. But then,

we fail to adjust the two facts together and understand that how

planets ie the agents of karma forcing him to act in a particular

way, developing a writing skill, being interested in writings, doing

write ups etc etc.

>

> A simple logic. Let us do some elementary maths. I hope since we

are studying astrology we believe there is SOME predictive power in

it. Then, if we say that astrology can predict 1%, then we have to

admit that we have 99% free will. If astro can predict 35% of it, we

only have 65% free will. As much accurate astrology becomes, as much

subtle predictions it can make, and as much deep it goes, and as

much small things it can say, and as less our free will becomes. If

astrology can predict 99%, then we admit that we have only a slight

(1%) free will.

>

> Once I was discussing my moms chart in a list, I just gave the

data and said that she married such month in such year. And one KP

student said, was this very close to the 15th of that month?

Actually, it was on 14th !!! So all the guardians of my parents

fixing the marriage date become complete goobly gook robots of the

karma. SO WE ALL ARE.

>

> ONE MOST AMAZING FACT. Do not know if you will believe. In my

relationship life, there were some times when my ex-GF a few times

gave me some bad news on ONE PARTICULAR SUBJECT. Later, most

amazingly, I saw that all the dates she gave me those bad news were

either the 14th or the 15th of the months !!! I believe very less in

neumerology, so I dag a bit more and saw, that on ALL THOSE MOMENTS,

Sun was right on the edge of the signs in transit. Most times it was

in 29 deg30min to 29 deg 55 mins. A planet on the edge of a rashi

becomes weak, a well known dictum, and this was proved in my life

very much. Total 5/6 times she gave me bad news on the same subject

and all happened with the same SUN-TRANSIT. Can it be a co-incident?

Duh, or was her free will controlled?

>

> Though the bad event happened earlier, but she gave me that bad

news as per my TR weakness. There are differences on the two events.

When it happens to her, her chart is to consult, since SHE

experiences it then. And when she TELLS ME THAT (I came to know it)

then MY CHART is to be consulted. So if you are abroad and know

about your father's death after a weak, the day you heard the news

on has much to say. This is my experiences.

>

> Anyway, Sun is my 12th lord and not astrology relates the subject

of bad news with 12th lord in any way. But I have strengthened my

12th lord with stones, mantra, colours and perfectly saw that the

subject gets affected as well. And this is a prime subject for my

futur researches. And here I again agree with Tatvam Ji about not

letting out own researches flash, for being rediculed.

>

> LET THE "WISE PPL" KNOW AND BELIEVE WHAT ARE THEY UP TO :-)

>

> Thanks,

> Tanvir.

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:50 AM

> Re:Rohiniji, Tanvirji, Manojji : Gemstones---Inder

>

> "Gem's positive energy will give you mental peace, mental

strenght,

> feeling of well being, correct thinking,etc etc. However, it

would

> not have any affect on course of action of fortune or any

physical

> correction in your fortune."

>

> You speak my mind Inder. Well the refractive indices of the gem

> stones may have something to do with the body when you wear

them,

> but how can it change fate?....

>

> Manoshi

>

November 10, 2004

Why astrologers?

Someone passed along a message from another board recently about

astrologers and agnitattwa and several other things!

Please separate astrology from prescription of gems and other similar

remedies -- association of these with astrology is coincidental and

not essential!

RR

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

<khallopapa> wrote:

>

> A long story....eh? anyways, Tanvir, if it was so easy to change

> our fate with gems, at least a few of us, SOME who claim to be good

> astrologers and know the remedies would all have got what they

> wanted...well i have no idea about if refractive indices can

effect

> our body or not (I dont wear any gem stone or any thing)...just an

> opinion...they may have...but on fate I have doubts.

>

> Manoshi

>

> , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

> wrote:

> > Refractive indices of the gem stones may have something to do

with

> the body... hm, I see ! :-D

> >

> > I have seen talking my chemistry teacher that all gemstones are

> basically of same chemical composition, and hence the efficacy of

> gemstones on a human body can not be proved scientifically. Most

for

> when it comes about different stones bringing different kinds of

> effects.

> >

> > If you have come across any scientific documents showing gems

> chemical composition affecting one's health, mind etc., self would

> be interested to read it. Please forward me or else do let me know

> about the unavailability of the same, self would be waiting.

> >

> > However whatever things can be proved by chemical compositions of

> gems, it is indeed very difficult to prove their AREA OF EFFICACY

> for a particular person. As an example, a blue sapphire's stone

> giving me huge monetory gains when I wore it, a 5L+6L in 2H

explains

> this. Any gems effects and results very much behaves as per the

> position of the planet in the chart. it never gives an effect on an

> area where it is not connected in the chart.

> >

> > Some say gems do not affect the fate. They can just make you more

> attentive, more energetic that leads to success indirectly. Bla bla

> bla. I have listened to this manytimes. But how come only those

> areas concerned in the chart be affected? Gems thus behave in

> a "systematic way". All remedies such as mantras, yajnas, even

> chairities behave in the same way. It is not that you do any

> remedies and random things happen. But just those things connected

> with the planet in the charts get affected. This is a most divine

> prove of the Jyotish itself.

> >

> > One simple thing people really do not understand that what is you

> LUCK is the result of the behaviour of people around you. So

> whatever remedy you do (Mantra/ yajna /stones/charity) which

> improves your luck / has an effect on your luck MUST change some

> behaviour of people around you so that the change in your luck

comes

> to be materialized. A mantra might bring a promotion but there your

> upper level admin's free will is controlled to make that happen. A

> wrong stone making you hunt in an accident did control the taxy

> drivers free will to drive the taxy in a risky way, or to be out of

> mind for a while.

> >

> > People really fail to see how each of our behaviours, including

> the chart readers own behaviours are fully under control, all

behave

> as per their karma, and that is their chart.

> >

> > Even if the gems JUST affect our body and mind, it DOES ending up

> affecting our fate as usual, also the fates of the people around

us.

> A gemstone making you feel tired or depressive make you deny to go

> out with your lover for a walk, then indeed there is some changes

in

> your lovers fate already ! Behaviour and fate walk together and

> affecting anyone would affect the other one, and thus the effect of

> remedies on our fate as well as behaviour is very perfectly

> justified.

> >

> > An astrologer reads the chart, gives remedies, but that is VERY

> MUCH being under the influence of planets. Otherwise, what the

> idiots study "Charts of astrologers" ? If a chart of an astrologer

> shows such, then the person is actually forced to be an astrologer

> as per his destiny, what we could predict right when he was born.

> Same thing applies abt doctors, attorneys, police, army officers,

> govt officials, writers etc etc. We praise someone that he has

great

> writing ability. And we also see that his chart says so. But then,

> we fail to adjust the two facts together and understand that how

> planets ie the agents of karma forcing him to act in a particular

> way, developing a writing skill, being interested in writings,

doing

> write ups etc etc.

> >

> > A simple logic. Let us do some elementary maths. I hope since we

> are studying astrology we believe there is SOME predictive power in

> it. Then, if we say that astrology can predict 1%, then we have to

> admit that we have 99% free will. If astro can predict 35% of it,

we

> only have 65% free will. As much accurate astrology becomes, as

much

> subtle predictions it can make, and as much deep it goes, and as

> much small things it can say, and as less our free will becomes. If

> astrology can predict 99%, then we admit that we have only a slight

> (1%) free will.

> >

> > Once I was discussing my moms chart in a list, I just gave the

> data and said that she married such month in such year. And one KP

> student said, was this very close to the 15th of that month?

> Actually, it was on 14th !!! So all the guardians of my parents

> fixing the marriage date become complete goobly gook robots of the

> karma. SO WE ALL ARE.

> >

> > ONE MOST AMAZING FACT. Do not know if you will believe. In my

> relationship life, there were some times when my ex-GF a few times

> gave me some bad news on ONE PARTICULAR SUBJECT. Later, most

> amazingly, I saw that all the dates she gave me those bad news were

> either the 14th or the 15th of the months !!! I believe very less

in

> neumerology, so I dag a bit more and saw, that on ALL THOSE

MOMENTS,

> Sun was right on the edge of the signs in transit. Most times it

was

> in 29 deg30min to 29 deg 55 mins. A planet on the edge of a rashi

> becomes weak, a well known dictum, and this was proved in my life

> very much. Total 5/6 times she gave me bad news on the same subject

> and all happened with the same SUN-TRANSIT. Can it be a co-

incident?

> Duh, or was her free will controlled?

> >

> > Though the bad event happened earlier, but she gave me that bad

> news as per my TR weakness. There are differences on the two

events.

> When it happens to her, her chart is to consult, since SHE

> experiences it then. And when she TELLS ME THAT (I came to know it)

> then MY CHART is to be consulted. So if you are abroad and know

> about your father's death after a weak, the day you heard the news

> on has much to say. This is my experiences.

> >

> > Anyway, Sun is my 12th lord and not astrology relates the subject

> of bad news with 12th lord in any way. But I have strengthened my

> 12th lord with stones, mantra, colours and perfectly saw that the

> subject gets affected as well. And this is a prime subject for my

> futur researches. And here I again agree with Tatvam Ji about not

> letting out own researches flash, for being rediculed.

> >

> > LET THE "WISE PPL" KNOW AND BELIEVE WHAT ARE THEY UP TO :-)

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Tanvir.

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:50 AM

> > Re:Rohiniji, Tanvirji, Manojji : Gemstones---Inder

> >

> > "Gem's positive energy will give you mental peace, mental

> strenght,

> > feeling of well being, correct thinking,etc etc. However, it

> would

> > not have any affect on course of action of fortune or any

> physical

> > correction in your fortune."

> >

> > You speak my mind Inder. Well the refractive indices of the gem

> > stones may have something to do with the body when you wear

> them,

> > but how can it change fate?....

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

November 10, 2004

Manoshi ji,

I have been following your postings for some time.

Leaving aside the conundrum of remedies (particulate and waves) and

their efficacy, do you personally really believe in astrology?

If yes, how do you think it can help regular, ordinary people

(majority)?