Gemstones, remedies, FREE WILL (RE: Current discussion)

November 9, 2004

Refractive indices of the gem stones may have something to do with the body...

hm, I see ! :-D

I have seen talking my chemistry teacher that all gemstones are basically of

same chemical composition, and hence the efficacy of gemstones on a human body

can not be proved scientifically. Most for when it comes about different stones

bringing different kinds of effects.

If you have come across any scientific documents showing gems chemical

composition affecting one's health, mind etc., self would be interested to read

it. Please forward me or else do let me know about the unavailability of the

same, self would be waiting.

However whatever things can be proved by chemical compositions of gems, it is

indeed very difficult to prove their AREA OF EFFICACY for a particular person.

As an example, a blue sapphire's stone giving me huge monetory gains when I wore

it, a 5L+6L in 2H explains this. Any gems effects and results very much behaves

as per the position of the planet in the chart. it never gives an effect on an

area where it is not connected in the chart.

Some say gems do not affect the fate. They can just make you more attentive,

more energetic that leads to success indirectly. Bla bla bla. I have listened to

this manytimes. But how come only those areas concerned in the chart be

affected? Gems thus behave in a "systematic way". All remedies such as mantras,

yajnas, even chairities behave in the same way. It is not that you do any

remedies and random things happen. But just those things connected with the

planet in the charts get affected. This is a most divine prove of the Jyotish

itself.

One simple thing people really do not understand that what is you LUCK is the

result of the behaviour of people around you. So whatever remedy you do (Mantra/

yajna /stones/charity) which improves your luck / has an effect on your luck

MUST change some behaviour of people around you so that the change in your luck

comes to be materialized. A mantra might bring a promotion but there your upper

level admin's free will is controlled to make that happen. A wrong stone making

you hunt in an accident did control the taxy drivers free will to drive the taxy

in a risky way, or to be out of mind for a while.

People really fail to see how each of our behaviours, including the chart

readers own behaviours are fully under control, all behave as per their karma,

and that is their chart.

Even if the gems JUST affect our body and mind, it DOES ending up affecting our

fate as usual, also the fates of the people around us. A gemstone making you

feel tired or depressive make you deny to go out with your lover for a walk,

then indeed there is some changes in your lovers fate already ! Behaviour and

fate walk together and affecting anyone would affect the other one, and thus the

effect of remedies on our fate as well as behaviour is very perfectly justified.

An astrologer reads the chart, gives remedies, but that is VERY MUCH being under

the influence of planets. Otherwise, what the idiots study "Charts of

astrologers" ? If a chart of an astrologer shows such, then the person is

actually forced to be an astrologer as per his destiny, what we could predict

right when he was born. Same thing applies abt doctors, attorneys, police, army

officers, govt officials, writers etc etc. We praise someone that he has great

writing ability. And we also see that his chart says so. But then, we fail to

adjust the two facts together and understand that how planets ie the agents of

karma forcing him to act in a particular way, developing a writing skill, being

interested in writings, doing write ups etc etc.

A simple logic. Let us do some elementary maths. I hope since we are studying

astrology we believe there is SOME predictive power in it. Then, if we say that

astrology can predict 1%, then we have to admit that we have 99% free will. If

astro can predict 35% of it, we only have 65% free will. As much accurate

astrology becomes, as much subtle predictions it can make, and as much deep it

goes, and as much small things it can say, and as less our free will becomes. If

astrology can predict 99%, then we admit that we have only a slight (1%) free

will.

Once I was discussing my moms chart in a list, I just gave the data and said

that she married such month in such year. And one KP student said, was this very

close to the 15th of that month? Actually, it was on 14th !!! So all the

guardians of my parents fixing the marriage date become complete goobly gook

robots of the karma. SO WE ALL ARE.

ONE MOST AMAZING FACT. Do not know if you will believe. In my relationship life,

there were some times when my ex-GF a few times gave me some bad news on ONE

PARTICULAR SUBJECT. Later, most amazingly, I saw that all the dates she gave me

those bad news were either the 14th or the 15th of the months !!! I believe very

less in neumerology, so I dag a bit more and saw, that on ALL THOSE MOMENTS, Sun

was right on the edge of the signs in transit. Most times it was in 29 deg30min

to 29 deg 55 mins. A planet on the edge of a rashi becomes weak, a well known

dictum, and this was proved in my life very much. Total 5/6 times she gave me

bad news on the same subject and all happened with the same SUN-TRANSIT. Can it

be a co-incident? Duh, or was her free will controlled?

Though the bad event happened earlier, but she gave me that bad news as per my

TR weakness. There are differences on the two events. When it happens to her,

her chart is to consult, since SHE experiences it then. And when she TELLS ME

THAT (I came to know it) then MY CHART is to be consulted. So if you are abroad

and know about your father's death after a weak, the day you heard the news on

has much to say. This is my experiences.

Anyway, Sun is my 12th lord and not astrology relates the subject of bad news

with 12th lord in any way. But I have strengthened my 12th lord with stones,

mantra, colours and perfectly saw that the subject gets affected as well. And

this is a prime subject for my futur researches. And here I again agree with

Tatvam Ji about not letting out own researches flash, for being rediculed.

LET THE "WISE PPL" KNOW AND BELIEVE WHAT ARE THEY UP TO :-)

Thanks,

Tanvir.

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

Where relief and solutions are found

-

Manoshi Chatterjee

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:50 AM

Re:Rohiniji, Tanvirji, Manojji : Gemstones---Inder

"Gem's positive energy will give you mental peace, mental strenght,

feeling of well being, correct thinking,etc etc. However, it would

not have any affect on course of action of fortune or any physical

correction in your fortune."

You speak my mind Inder. Well the refractive indices of the gem

stones may have something to do with the body when you wear them,

but how can it change fate?....

Manoshi

November 9, 2004

Hi Tanvir,

as i was reading your following post, my attention was

particularly drawn towards the line wherein you have

mentioned "i have strengthen my 12th house"....I am

really interested in knowing how you strengthened your

12 th house.......12th house is usually associated

with losses etc.....maybe you have used mantras to

strengthen it....

i am trying hard to strengthen my 12th house with the

help of mantras (I have venus in 12th house and it is

in parivartan with Mars house....Venus in Aries,

Taurus lagna)......i have been changing laxmi mantras

but so far nothing perceptible so far.....

would you elaborate further.....

ms

--- Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

> Refractive indices of the <a

href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=gem%20stones"

onmouseover="window.status='gem stones'; return true;"

onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">gem

stones</a> may have

> something to do with the body... hm, I see ! :-D

>

> I have seen talking my chemistry teacher that all

> gemstones are basically of same chemical

> composition, and hence the efficacy of gemstones on

> a human body can not be proved scientifically. Most

> for when it comes about different stones bringing

> different kinds of effects.

>

> If you have come across any scientific documents

> showing gems chemical composition affecting one's

> health, mind etc., self would be interested to read

> it. Please forward me or else do let me know about

> the unavailability of the same, self would be

> waiting.

>

> However whatever things can be proved by chemical

> compositions of gems, it is indeed very difficult to

> prove their AREA OF EFFICACY for a particular

> person. As an example, a blue sapphire's stone

> giving me huge monetory gains when I wore it, a

> 5L+6L in 2H explains this. Any gems effects and

> results very much behaves as per the position of the

> planet in the chart. it never gives an effect on an

> area where it is not connected in the chart.

>

> Some say gems do not affect the fate. They can just

> make you more attentive, more energetic that leads

> to success indirectly. Bla bla bla. I have listened

> to this manytimes. But how come only those areas

> concerned in the chart be affected? Gems thus behave

> in a "systematic way". All remedies such as mantras,

> yajnas, even chairities behave in the same way. It

> is not that you do any remedies and random things

> happen. But just those things connected with the

> planet in the charts get affected. This is a most

> divine prove of the Jyotish itself.

>

> One simple thing people really do not understand

> that what is you LUCK is the result of the behaviour

> of people around you. So whatever remedy you do

> (Mantra/ yajna /stones/charity) which improves your

> luck / has an effect on your luck MUST change some

> behaviour of people around you so that the change in

> your luck comes to be materialized. A mantra might

> bring a promotion but there your upper level admin's

> free will is controlled to make that happen. A wrong

> stone making you hunt in an accident did control the

> taxy drivers free will to drive the taxy in a risky

> way, or to be out of mind for a while.

>

> People really fail to see how each of our

> behaviours, including the chart readers own

> behaviours are fully under control, all behave as

> per their karma, and that is their chart.

>

> Even if the gems JUST affect our body and mind, it

> DOES ending up affecting our fate as usual, also the

> fates of the people around us. A gemstone making you

> feel tired or depressive make you deny to go out

> with your lover for a walk, then indeed there is

> some changes in your lovers fate already ! Behaviour

> and fate walk together and affecting anyone would

> affect the other one, and thus the effect of

> remedies on our fate as well as behaviour is very

> perfectly justified.

>

> An astrologer reads the chart, gives remedies, but

> that is VERY MUCH being under the influence of

> planets. Otherwise, what the idiots study "Charts of

> astrologers" ? If a chart of an astrologer shows

> such, then the person is actually forced to be an

> astrologer as per his destiny, what we could predict

> right when he was born. Same thing applies abt

> doctors, attorneys, police, army officers, govt

> officials, writers etc etc. We praise someone that

> he has great writing ability. And we also see that

> his chart says so. But then, we fail to adjust the

> two facts together and understand that how planets

> ie the agents of karma forcing him to act in a

> particular way, developing a writing skill, being

> interested in writings, doing write ups etc etc.

>

> A simple logic. Let us do some elementary maths. I

> hope since we are studying astrology we believe

> there is SOME predictive power in it. Then, if we

> say that astrology can predict 1%, then we have to

> admit that we have 99% free will. If astro can

> predict 35% of it, we only have 65% free will. As

> much accurate astrology becomes, as much subtle

> predictions it can make, and as much deep it goes,

> and as much small things it can say, and as less our

> free will becomes. If astrology can predict 99%,

> then we admit that we have only a slight (1%) free

> will.

>

> Once I was discussing my moms chart in a list, I

> just gave the data and said that she married such

> month in such year. And one KP student said, was

> this very close to the 15th of that month? Actually,

> it was on 14th !!! So all the guardians of my

> parents fixing the marriage date become complete

> goobly gook robots of the karma. SO WE ALL ARE.

>

> ONE MOST AMAZING FACT. Do not know if you will

> believe. In my relationship life, there were some

> times when my ex-GF a few times gave me some bad

> news on ONE PARTICULAR SUBJECT. Later, most

> amazingly, I saw that all the dates she gave me

> those bad news were either the 14th or the 15th of

> the months !!! I believe very less in neumerology,

> so I dag a bit more and saw, that on ALL THOSE

> MOMENTS, Sun was right on the edge of the signs in

> transit. Most times it was in 29 deg30min to 29 deg

> 55 mins. A planet on the edge of a rashi becomes

> weak, a well known dictum, and this was proved in my

> life very much. Total 5/6 times she gave me bad news

> on the same subject and all happened with the same

> SUN-TRANSIT. Can it be a co-incident? Duh, or was

> her free will controlled?

>

> Though the bad event happened earlier, but she gave

> me that bad news as per my TR weakness. There are

> differences on the two events. When it happens to

> her, her chart is to consult, since SHE experiences

> it then. And when she TELLS ME THAT (I came to know

> it) then MY CHART is to be consulted. So if you are

> abroad and know about your father's death after a

> weak, the day you heard the news on has much to say.

> This is my experiences.

>

> Anyway, Sun is my 12th lord and not astrology

> relates the subject of bad news with 12th lord in

> any way. But I have strengthened my 12th lord with

> stones, mantra, colours and perfectly saw that the

> subject gets affected as well. And this is a prime

> subject for my futur researches. And here I again

> agree with Tatvam Ji about not letting out own

> researches flash, for being rediculed.

>

> LET THE "WISE PPL" KNOW AND BELIEVE WHAT ARE THEY UP

> TO :-)

>

> Thanks,

> Tanvir.

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology

> (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful

> problem solving remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:50 AM

> Re:Rohiniji, Tanvirji, Manojji :

> Gemstones---Inder

>

> "Gem's positive energy will give you mental peace,

> mental strenght,

> feeling of well being, correct thinking,etc etc.

> However, it would

> not have any affect on course of action of fortune

> or any physical

> correction in your fortune."

>

> You speak my mind Inder. Well the refractive

> indices of the gem

> stones may have something to do with the body when

> you wear them,

> but how can it change fate?....

>

> Manoshi

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

November 10, 2004

Dear Tanvir,

Strentghening of 12th house, well it appears to be a bit complex

issue.

As we discussed in the group long ago, 12th house ultimately is

Moksha house in spritual terms.

But in physical terms this house for the losses of self. Loss of

material, prestige, ego,freedom etc etc.

In Moksha terms loss or gain does not mean anything,-- beyond

pleasure or pains.

For Virgo , considering only rasi position not planets and aspects,

Leo in 12th means native spends big, gives gifts beyond her

capacity, goes for occults and pshycic and astrological interests.

Some sympathy and self sacrifice tendencies are predominent.

So for strentghening what aspects should be considered:

Losses or negation, penury, decline, emanicipation,

restrictions,self imposed drudgery, voluntary solitude, suffering,

self undoing, sacrifice, labour, sorrow, sin, social service,

investments,barriers etc.

I think list is very very long as seen in the texts.

Strengthening of all these aspects may look complex issue. In

spritual terms Moksha can be considered to be strenghened ???

Or you mean to say you want to reduce expenditures,investment,

sufferings and as well want to enhance spritual studies or astrology.

Want to reduce your limitations but increase your prestige.?/

Good wishes..

Inder

-- In , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> Refractive indices of the gem stones may have something to do with

the body... hm, I see ! :-D

>

> I have seen talking my chemistry teacher that all gemstones are

basically of same chemical composition, and hence the efficacy of

gemstones on a human body can not be proved scientifically. Most for

when it comes about different stones bringing different kinds of

effects.

>

> If you have come across any scientific documents showing gems

chemical composition affecting one's health, mind etc., self would

be interested to read it. Please forward me or else do let me know

about the unavailability of the same, self would be waiting.

>

> However whatever things can be proved by chemical compositions of

gems, it is indeed very difficult to prove their AREA OF EFFICACY

for a particular person. As an example, a blue sapphire's stone

giving me huge monetory gains when I wore it, a 5L+6L in 2H explains

this. Any gems effects and results very much behaves as per the

position of the planet in the chart. it never gives an effect on an

area where it is not connected in the chart.

>

> Some say gems do not affect the fate. They can just make you more

attentive, more energetic that leads to success indirectly. Bla bla

bla. I have listened to this manytimes. But how come only those

areas concerned in the chart be affected? Gems thus behave in

a "systematic way". All remedies such as mantras, yajnas, even

chairities behave in the same way. It is not that you do any

remedies and random things happen. But just those things connected

with the planet in the charts get affected. This is a most divine

prove of the Jyotish itself.

>

> One simple thing people really do not understand that what is you

LUCK is the result of the behaviour of people around you. So

whatever remedy you do (Mantra/ yajna /stones/charity) which

improves your luck / has an effect on your luck MUST change some

behaviour of people around you so that the change in your luck comes

to be materialized. A mantra might bring a promotion but there your

upper level admin's free will is controlled to make that happen. A

wrong stone making you hunt in an accident did control the taxy

drivers free will to drive the taxy in a risky way, or to be out of

mind for a while.

>

> People really fail to see how each of our behaviours, including

the chart readers own behaviours are fully under control, all behave

as per their karma, and that is their chart.

>

> Even if the gems JUST affect our body and mind, it DOES ending up

affecting our fate as usual, also the fates of the people around us.

A gemstone making you feel tired or depressive make you deny to go

out with your lover for a walk, then indeed there is some changes in

your lovers fate already ! Behaviour and fate walk together and

affecting anyone would affect the other one, and thus the effect of

remedies on our fate as well as behaviour is very perfectly

justified.

>

> An astrologer reads the chart, gives remedies, but that is VERY

MUCH being under the influence of planets. Otherwise, what the

idiots study "Charts of astrologers" ? If a chart of an astrologer

shows such, then the person is actually forced to be an astrologer

as per his destiny, what we could predict right when he was born.

Same thing applies abt doctors, attorneys, police, army officers,

govt officials, writers etc etc. We praise someone that he has great

writing ability. And we also see that his chart says so. But then,

we fail to adjust the two facts together and understand that how

planets ie the agents of karma forcing him to act in a particular

way, developing a writing skill, being interested in writings, doing

write ups etc etc.

>

> A simple logic. Let us do some elementary maths. I hope since we

are studying astrology we believe there is SOME predictive power in

it. Then, if we say that astrology can predict 1%, then we have to

admit that we have 99% free will. If astro can predict 35% of it, we

only have 65% free will. As much accurate astrology becomes, as much

subtle predictions it can make, and as much deep it goes, and as

much small things it can say, and as less our free will becomes. If

astrology can predict 99%, then we admit that we have only a slight

(1%) free will.

>

> Once I was discussing my moms chart in a list, I just gave the

data and said that she married such month in such year. And one KP

student said, was this very close to the 15th of that month?

Actually, it was on 14th !!! So all the guardians of my parents

fixing the marriage date become complete goobly gook robots of the

karma. SO WE ALL ARE.

>

> ONE MOST AMAZING FACT. Do not know if you will believe. In my

relationship life, there were some times when my ex-GF a few times

gave me some bad news on ONE PARTICULAR SUBJECT. Later, most

amazingly, I saw that all the dates she gave me those bad news were

either the 14th or the 15th of the months !!! I believe very less in

neumerology, so I dag a bit more and saw, that on ALL THOSE MOMENTS,

Sun was right on the edge of the signs in transit. Most times it was

in 29 deg30min to 29 deg 55 mins. A planet on the edge of a rashi

becomes weak, a well known dictum, and this was proved in my life

very much. Total 5/6 times she gave me bad news on the same subject

and all happened with the same SUN-TRANSIT. Can it be a co-incident?

Duh, or was her free will controlled?

>

> Though the bad event happened earlier, but she gave me that bad

news as per my TR weakness. There are differences on the two events.

When it happens to her, her chart is to consult, since SHE

experiences it then. And when she TELLS ME THAT (I came to know it)

then MY CHART is to be consulted. So if you are abroad and know

about your father's death after a weak, the day you heard the news

on has much to say. This is my experiences.

>

> Anyway, Sun is my 12th lord and not astrology relates the subject

of bad news with 12th lord in any way. But I have strengthened my

12th lord with stones, mantra, colours and perfectly saw that the

subject gets affected as well. And this is a prime subject for my

futur researches. And here I again agree with Tatvam Ji about not

letting out own researches flash, for being rediculed.

>

> LET THE "WISE PPL" KNOW AND BELIEVE WHAT ARE THEY UP TO :-)

>

> Thanks,

> Tanvir.

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:50 AM

> Re:Rohiniji, Tanvirji, Manojji : Gemstones---Inder

>

> "Gem's positive energy will give you mental peace, mental

strenght,

> feeling of well being, correct thinking,etc etc. However, it

would

> not have any affect on course of action of fortune or any

physical

> correction in your fortune."

>

> You speak my mind Inder. Well the refractive indices of the gem

> stones may have something to do with the body when you wear

them,

> but how can it change fate?....

>

> Manoshi

>

November 10, 2004

But why that one particular X-GF was your messenger, barkhurdaar?

Was sun in her chart somehow relevantly prominent? Was sun indicating

in some way a link between her sphere and your sphere of existence?

Curious,

RR

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> Refractive indices of the gem stones may have something to do with

the body... hm, I see ! :-D

>

> I have seen talking my chemistry teacher that all gemstones are

basically of same chemical composition, and hence the efficacy of

gemstones on a human body can not be proved scientifically. Most for

when it comes about different stones bringing different kinds of

effects.

>

> If you have come across any scientific documents showing gems

chemical composition affecting one's health, mind etc., self would be

interested to read it. Please forward me or else do let me know about

the unavailability of the same, self would be waiting.

>

> However whatever things can be proved by chemical compositions of

gems, it is indeed very difficult to prove their AREA OF EFFICACY for

a particular person. As an example, a blue sapphire's stone giving me

huge monetory gains when I wore it, a 5L+6L in 2H explains this. Any

gems effects and results very much behaves as per the position of the

planet in the chart. it never gives an effect on an area where it is

not connected in the chart.

>

> Some say gems do not affect the fate. They can just make you more

attentive, more energetic that leads to success indirectly. Bla bla

bla. I have listened to this manytimes. But how come only those areas

concerned in the chart be affected? Gems thus behave in a "systematic

way". All remedies such as mantras, yajnas, even chairities behave in

the same way. It is not that you do any remedies and random things

happen. But just those things connected with the planet in the charts

get affected. This is a most divine prove of the Jyotish itself.

>

> One simple thing people really do not understand that what is you

LUCK is the result of the behaviour of people around you. So whatever

remedy you do (Mantra/ yajna /stones/charity) which improves your

luck / has an effect on your luck MUST change some behaviour of

people around you so that the change in your luck comes to be

materialized. A mantra might bring a promotion but there your upper

level admin's free will is controlled to make that happen. A wrong

stone making you hunt in an accident did control the taxy drivers

free will to drive the taxy in a risky way, or to be out of mind for

a while.

>

> People really fail to see how each of our behaviours, including the

chart readers own behaviours are fully under control, all behave as

per their karma, and that is their chart.

>

> Even if the gems JUST affect our body and mind, it DOES ending up

affecting our fate as usual, also the fates of the people around us.

A gemstone making you feel tired or depressive make you deny to go

out with your lover for a walk, then indeed there is some changes in

your lovers fate already ! Behaviour and fate walk together and

affecting anyone would affect the other one, and thus the effect of

remedies on our fate as well as behaviour is very perfectly justified.

>

> An astrologer reads the chart, gives remedies, but that is VERY

MUCH being under the influence of planets. Otherwise, what the idiots

study "Charts of astrologers" ? If a chart of an astrologer shows

such, then the person is actually forced to be an astrologer as per

his destiny, what we could predict right when he was born. Same thing

applies abt doctors, attorneys, police, army officers, govt

officials, writers etc etc. We praise someone that he has great

writing ability. And we also see that his chart says so. But then, we

fail to adjust the two facts together and understand that how planets

ie the agents of karma forcing him to act in a particular way,

developing a writing skill, being interested in writings, doing write

ups etc etc.

>

> A simple logic. Let us do some elementary maths. I hope since we

are studying astrology we believe there is SOME predictive power in

it. Then, if we say that astrology can predict 1%, then we have to

admit that we have 99% free will. If astro can predict 35% of it, we

only have 65% free will. As much accurate astrology becomes, as much

subtle predictions it can make, and as much deep it goes, and as much

small things it can say, and as less our free will becomes. If

astrology can predict 99%, then we admit that we have only a slight

(1%) free will.

>

> Once I was discussing my moms chart in a list, I just gave the data

and said that she married such month in such year. And one KP student

said, was this very close to the 15th of that month? Actually, it was

on 14th !!! So all the guardians of my parents fixing the marriage

date become complete goobly gook robots of the karma. SO WE ALL ARE.