Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Has anyone heard of or experienced an 'older' version of Baba(ji)? This is different from both Sai Babas (Shirdi and Puttaparthi) and probably different from the Being described by Yukteshwara/Yogananada. RR , "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I was just catching up on this weeks postings, and I see that there > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a Guru is needed or not. > May I add to this? > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any seeker. I have absolutely > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru analyzes a person's needs, and > then prescribes the correct path, whether it be a mantra, or yogic > exercises or studying some scriptures or whatever the relavent thing > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as I am concerned. > > However, this does not mean that those people that do not have a > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. In this day and age, true > Gurus are few and far between. This quickly becomes a vicious cycle. > If no one treads on the spiritual paths because of lack of Gurus, no > one will process enough to be a Guru for someone else, and the net > result will be a loss for all spiritual seekers. > > Having said that Gurus are few and far between, if you seek one and > find one, that is great. If not, you STILL follow the spiritual path > that comes most naturally to you, and eventually the spiritual > guidance will come. And yes, the path might be more difficult to > negotiate on your own, but rest assured that only good, and no harm > will ever come to one that tries. Lord Krishna touches upon this in > the Bhagavat Gita, and mentions that the smallest act of > spirituality is not wasted. Even if a soul only makes a small amount > of progress, that is still better than none - it would pick up at > that point in the next lifetime and continue the quest. THAT is the > reason for my positive attitude towards any mantra. Every little bit > helps that person, and it helps the world at large. > > My philosophy for myself is that I already have my Guru. My Krishna > himself is my Guru, and one of the ways I worship him is with the Om > Krishna Guru mantra, beseeching him to teach me His ways. (Well, > Krishna has always been my constant companion, my love, my child, my > father and my mother, so I figured I might as well continue the > pattern by making Him my Guru too ;-). Similarly, one of the forms > of Shiva I worship is as the Guru, Dakshinamurthy and the Guru form > of the Devi is Sarada Devi. > > There is no rule that Gurus should have a physical body, as the many > people guided by Mahaavatar Babaji can attest to. Each seeker in a > parampara consider all the Gurus in that parampara to be their > Gurus, whether living or not. We have all been blessed by the Gurus > and saints of the world .... Adi Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Raghavendra Swami, Sai Baba, > Prabhupada, Vyasadeva .... the list goes on. If a Guru in a physical > form is destined, that will come to pass too. Faith .... that is all > it comes down to. Have faith that only good will come of taking ANY > name of the Lord. > > Just MHO. > -Sreelatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear Rohiniranjan, ask Marge on :http://www.babaji.net I think is the same "BABA" only a difference in the the rasa and teaching according time and place when he appears. WHAT DOES BABAJI SAY ABOUT THE WORLD SITUATION? "Be firm like a rock, deep and serious like the sea. Think of the Earth as a Mother. This is one Earth. Don't be divided by thinking of yourself as belonging to different countries. This is one Earth. " —Babaji Haidakan Babaji ki jay ! om namaha sivaya hare krsna best regards Shad , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Has anyone heard of or experienced an 'older' version of Baba(ji)? > > This is different from both Sai Babas (Shirdi and Puttaparthi) and > probably different from the Being described by Yukteshwara/Yogananada. > > RR > > , "V. Sreelatha" > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I was just catching up on this weeks postings, and I see that there > > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a Guru is needed or not. > > May I add to this? > > > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any seeker. I have > absolutely > > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru analyzes a person's needs, and > > then prescribes the correct path, whether it be a mantra, or yogic > > exercises or studying some scriptures or whatever the relavent > thing > > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as I am concerned. > > > > However, this does not mean that those people that do not have a > > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. In this day and age, > true > > Gurus are few and far between. This quickly becomes a vicious > cycle. > > If no one treads on the spiritual paths because of lack of Gurus, > no > > one will process enough to be a Guru for someone else, and the net > > result will be a loss for all spiritual seekers. > > > > Having said that Gurus are few and far between, if you seek one and > > find one, that is great. If not, you STILL follow the spiritual > path > > that comes most naturally to you, and eventually the spiritual > > guidance will come. And yes, the path might be more difficult to > > negotiate on your own, but rest assured that only good, and no harm > > will ever come to one that tries. Lord Krishna touches upon this in > > the Bhagavat Gita, and mentions that the smallest act of > > spirituality is not wasted. Even if a soul only makes a small > amount > > of progress, that is still better than none - it would pick up at > > that point in the next lifetime and continue the quest. THAT is the > > reason for my positive attitude towards any mantra. Every little > bit > > helps that person, and it helps the world at large. > > > > My philosophy for myself is that I already have my Guru. My Krishna > > himself is my Guru, and one of the ways I worship him is with the > Om > > Krishna Guru mantra, beseeching him to teach me His ways. (Well, > > Krishna has always been my constant companion, my love, my child, > my > > father and my mother, so I figured I might as well continue the > > pattern by making Him my Guru too ;-). Similarly, one of the forms > > of Shiva I worship is as the Guru, Dakshinamurthy and the Guru form > > of the Devi is Sarada Devi. > > > > There is no rule that Gurus should have a physical body, as the > many > > people guided by Mahaavatar Babaji can attest to. Each seeker in a > > parampara consider all the Gurus in that parampara to be their > > Gurus, whether living or not. We have all been blessed by the Gurus > > and saints of the world .... Adi Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna > > Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Raghavendra Swami, Sai Baba, > > Prabhupada, Vyasadeva .... the list goes on. If a Guru in a > physical > > form is destined, that will come to pass too. Faith .... that is > all > > it comes down to. Have faith that only good will come of taking ANY > > name of the Lord. > > > > Just MHO. > > -Sreelatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Are you talking of Vishweshwara mahaprabhuji? --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > Has anyone heard of or experienced an 'older' > version of Baba(ji)? > > This is different from both Sai Babas (Shirdi and > Puttaparthi) and > probably different from the Being described by > Yukteshwara/Yogananada. > > RR > > , "V. > Sreelatha" > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I was just catching up on this weeks postings, and > I see that there > > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a Guru is > needed or not. > > May I add to this? > > > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any seeker. > I have > absolutely > > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru analyzes a > person's needs, and > > then prescribes the correct path, whether it be a > mantra, or yogic > > exercises or studying some scriptures or whatever > the relavent > thing > > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as I am > concerned. > > > > However, this does not mean that those people that > do not have a > > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. In this > day and age, > true > > Gurus are few and far between. This quickly > becomes a vicious > cycle. > > If no one treads on the spiritual paths because of > lack of Gurus, > no > > one will process enough to be a Guru for someone > else, and the net > > result will be a loss for all spiritual seekers. > > > > Having said that Gurus are few and far between, if > you seek one and > > find one, that is great. If not, you STILL follow > the spiritual > path > > that comes most naturally to you, and eventually > the spiritual > > guidance will come. And yes, the path might be > more difficult to > > negotiate on your own, but rest assured that only > good, and no harm > > will ever come to one that tries. Lord Krishna > touches upon this in > > the Bhagavat Gita, and mentions that the smallest > act of > > spirituality is not wasted. Even if a soul only > makes a small > amount > > of progress, that is still better than none - it > would pick up at > > that point in the next lifetime and continue the > quest. THAT is the > > reason for my positive attitude towards any > mantra. Every little > bit > > helps that person, and it helps the world at > large. > > > > My philosophy for myself is that I already have my > Guru. My Krishna > > himself is my Guru, and one of the ways I worship > him is with the > Om > > Krishna Guru mantra, beseeching him to teach me > His ways. (Well, > > Krishna has always been my constant companion, my > love, my child, > my > > father and my mother, so I figured I might as well > continue the > > pattern by making Him my Guru too ;-). Similarly, > one of the forms > > of Shiva I worship is as the Guru, Dakshinamurthy > and the Guru form > > of the Devi is Sarada Devi. > > > > There is no rule that Gurus should have a physical > body, as the > many > > people guided by Mahaavatar Babaji can attest to. > Each seeker in a > > parampara consider all the Gurus in that parampara > to be their > > Gurus, whether living or not. We have all been > blessed by the Gurus > > and saints of the world .... Adi Shankaracharya, > Ramakrishna > > Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Raghavendra Swami, > Sai Baba, > > Prabhupada, Vyasadeva .... the list goes on. If a > Guru in a > physical > > form is destined, that will come to pass too. > Faith .... that is > all > > it comes down to. Have faith that only good will > come of taking ANY > > name of the Lord. > > > > Just MHO. > > -Sreelatha > > > > Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Not sure ... this Babaji, I was talking about has come up in readings many times and often during the periods when the individuals experienced a vision or experience of this Divine/Saintly figure, there has been a strong influence of ketu in their lives. The figure as described to me during readings, etc is of a square, complete bald person with a square face, large very compassionate almost dreamy eyes, somewhat thick lips, shapely but not too prominent nose. He wears a white chaddar and emanates pure 'joy'. Often nativities experiencing the vision broke into joyful tears when describing the presence. On a few occasions, quite frankly, I could feel that I touched the perimeter of their experience and I am a very earthy person with no intuition, no psychic experience etc to talk of and generally am quite contained emotionally. They (some of them) described the 'Baba' as being using a long stick or staff when walking, and emanated a sort of light which brought joy. Unlike Gandhiji, this Being was described as stocky, stout and not of frail appearance. Most if not all of these nativities were of very stable personalities, held good jobs and steady, important careers and were generally living reasonably satwic lives, if you catch my drift. That is all the information I have that I can share at this time. RR , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Are you talking of Vishweshwara mahaprabhuji? > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Has anyone heard of or experienced an 'older' > > version of Baba(ji)? > > > > This is different from both Sai Babas (Shirdi and > > Puttaparthi) and > > probably different from the Being described by > > Yukteshwara/Yogananada. > > > > RR > > > > , "V. > > Sreelatha" > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I was just catching up on this weeks postings, and > > I see that there > > > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a Guru is > > needed or not. > > > May I add to this? > > > > > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any seeker. > > I have > > absolutely > > > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru analyzes a > > person's needs, and > > > then prescribes the correct path, whether it be a > > mantra, or yogic > > > exercises or studying some scriptures or whatever > > the relavent > > thing > > > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as I am > > concerned. > > > > > > However, this does not mean that those people that > > do not have a > > > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. In this > > day and age, > > true > > > Gurus are few and far between. This quickly > > becomes a vicious > > cycle. > > > If no one treads on the spiritual paths because of > > lack of Gurus, > > no > > > one will process enough to be a Guru for someone > > else, and the net > > > result will be a loss for all spiritual seekers. > > > > > > Having said that Gurus are few and far between, if > > you seek one and > > > find one, that is great. If not, you STILL follow > > the spiritual > > path > > > that comes most naturally to you, and eventually > > the spiritual > > > guidance will come. And yes, the path might be > > more difficult to > > > negotiate on your own, but rest assured that only > > good, and no harm > > > will ever come to one that tries. Lord Krishna > > touches upon this in > > > the Bhagavat Gita, and mentions that the smallest > > act of > > > spirituality is not wasted. Even if a soul only > > makes a small > > amount > > > of progress, that is still better than none - it > > would pick up at > > > that point in the next lifetime and continue the > > quest. THAT is the > > > reason for my positive attitude towards any > > mantra. Every little > > bit > > > helps that person, and it helps the world at > > large. > > > > > > My philosophy for myself is that I already have my > > Guru. My Krishna > > > himself is my Guru, and one of the ways I worship > > him is with the > > Om > > > Krishna Guru mantra, beseeching him to teach me > > His ways. (Well, > > > Krishna has always been my constant companion, my > > love, my child, > > my > > > father and my mother, so I figured I might as well > > continue the > > > pattern by making Him my Guru too ;-). Similarly, > > one of the forms > > > of Shiva I worship is as the Guru, Dakshinamurthy > > and the Guru form > > > of the Devi is Sarada Devi. > > > > > > There is no rule that Gurus should have a physical > > body, as the > > many > > > people guided by Mahaavatar Babaji can attest to. > > Each seeker in a > > > parampara consider all the Gurus in that parampara > > to be their > > > Gurus, whether living or not. We have all been > > blessed by the Gurus > > > and saints of the world .... Adi Shankaracharya, > > Ramakrishna > > > Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Raghavendra Swami, > > Sai Baba, > > > Prabhupada, Vyasadeva .... the list goes on. If a > > Guru in a > > physical > > > form is destined, that will come to pass too. > > Faith .... that is > > all > > > it comes down to. Have faith that only good will > > come of taking ANY > > > name of the Lord. > > > > > > Just MHO. > > > -Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. 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Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Hmm, I presume the same legend goes for this soul that you are talking of .. it is widely believed that a old brahmin had descended on earth around 3000 year ago like a huge light in the sky. He is interchangably described as maha avatar baba a 16 year old and also as vishweshwara mahaprabhuji a old man in white attaire with almost drooping eyelids .. one of the incarnations of this ramlalji and his lineage runs into my family. When my grandmother was on her death bed (cancer) she was in a lot of pain and my father instructed her to pray to ramlalji, and a couple of days later she described to my father of a old man in white with who was by her side when she was in pain rubbing her gently ... I am not sure if it;s the same that you are talking about ... It is believed that vishweshwara mahaprabhu comes out of his samadhi every six months to instruct and dispel doubts of disciples in himalayas .. it is also believed that he from time to time comes in various forms incognito for specific purposes and then goes back to himalayas .. there is only a indirect reference that both the maha avatar babaji and vishweshwara maha prabhuji could be one and the same person ... Story goes that Prabhuji, believed to be a form of vishveswara mahaprabhu made a reference that he had initiated Lahari mahashaya on his way to himalayas .. now it is widely believed that lahari mahasaya was initiated by mahaavatar baba .. hence the doubt of connection between the both ... I am not sure if it';s a bright idea to be talking of these here .. I rest my cursor though .. Surya. --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > Not sure ... this Babaji, I was talking about has > come up in readings > many times and often during the periods when the > individuals > experienced a vision or experience of this > Divine/Saintly figure, > there has been a strong influence of ketu in their > lives. The figure > as described to me during readings, etc is of a > square, complete bald > person with a square face, large very compassionate > almost dreamy > eyes, somewhat thick lips, shapely but not too > prominent nose. He > wears a white chaddar and emanates pure 'joy'. Often > nativities > experiencing the vision broke into joyful tears when > describing the > presence. On a few occasions, quite frankly, I could > feel that I > touched the perimeter of their experience and I am a > very earthy > person with no intuition, no psychic experience etc > to talk of and > generally am quite contained emotionally. They (some > of them) > described the 'Baba' as being using a long stick or > staff when > walking, and emanated a sort of light which brought > joy. Unlike > Gandhiji, this Being was described as stocky, stout > and not of frail > appearance. Most if not all of these nativities were > of very stable > personalities, held good jobs and steady, important > careers and were > generally living reasonably satwic lives, if you > catch my drift. > > That is all the information I have that I can share > at this time. > > > RR > > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Are you talking of Vishweshwara mahaprabhuji? > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard of or experienced an 'older' > > > version of Baba(ji)? > > > > > > This is different from both Sai Babas (Shirdi > and > > > Puttaparthi) and > > > probably different from the Being described by > > > Yukteshwara/Yogananada. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "V. > > > Sreelatha" > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > I was just catching up on this weeks postings, > and > > > I see that there > > > > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a > Guru is > > > needed or not. > > > > May I add to this? > > > > > > > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any > seeker. > > > I have > > > absolutely > > > > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru analyzes a > > > person's needs, and > > > > then prescribes the correct path, whether it > be a > > > mantra, or yogic > > > > exercises or studying some scriptures or > whatever > > > the relavent > > > thing > > > > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as I > am > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > However, this does not mean that those people > that > > > do not have a > > > > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. In > this > > > day and age, > > > true > > > > Gurus are few and far between. This quickly > > > becomes a vicious > > > cycle. > > > > If no one treads on the spiritual paths > because of > > > lack of Gurus, > > > no > > > > one will process enough to be a Guru for > someone > > > else, and the net > > > > result will be a loss for all spiritual > seekers. > > > > > > > > Having said that Gurus are few and far > between, if > > > you seek one and > > > > find one, that is great. If not, you STILL > follow > > > the spiritual > > > path > > > > that comes most naturally to you, and > eventually > > > the spiritual > > > > guidance will come. And yes, the path might be > > > more difficult to > > > > negotiate on your own, but rest assured that > only > > > good, and no harm > > > > will ever come to one that tries. Lord Krishna > > > touches upon this in > > > > the Bhagavat Gita, and mentions that the > smallest > > > act of > > > > spirituality is not wasted. Even if a soul > only > > > makes a small > > > amount > > > > of progress, that is still better than none - > it > > > would pick up at > > > > that point in the next lifetime and continue > the > > > quest. THAT is the > > > > reason for my positive attitude towards any > > > mantra. Every little > > > bit > > > > helps that person, and it helps the world at > > > large. > > > > > > > > My philosophy for myself is that I already > have my > > > Guru. My Krishna > > > > himself is my Guru, and one of the ways I > worship > > > him is with the > > > Om > > > > Krishna Guru mantra, beseeching him to teach > me > > > His ways. (Well, > > > > Krishna has always been my constant companion, > my > > > love, my child, > > > my > > > > father and my mother, so I figured I might as > well > > > continue the > > > > pattern by making Him my Guru too ;-). > Similarly, > > > one of the forms > > > > of Shiva I worship is as the Guru, > Dakshinamurthy > > > and the Guru form > > > > of the Devi is Sarada Devi. > > > > > > > > There is no rule that Gurus should have a > physical > > > body, as the > > > many > > > > people guided by Mahaavatar Babaji can attest > to. > > > Each seeker in a > > > > parampara consider all the Gurus in that > parampara > > > to be their > > > > Gurus, whether living or not. We have all been > > > blessed by the Gurus > > > > and saints of the world .... Adi > Shankaracharya, > > > Ramakrishna > > > > Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Raghavendra > Swami, > > > Sai Baba, > > > > Prabhupada, Vyasadeva .... the list goes on. > If a > > > Guru in a > > > physical > === message truncated === Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 How wonderful! Just curious about one thing if known ... does he come at solstices or equinoxes or some other time (of astrological signficance)? RR , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hmm, I presume the same legend goes for this soul that > you are talking of .. it is widely believed that a old > brahmin had descended on earth around 3000 year ago > like a huge light in the sky. He is interchangably > described as maha avatar baba a 16 year old and also > as vishweshwara mahaprabhuji a old man in white > attaire with almost drooping eyelids .. > one of the incarnations of this ramlalji and his > lineage runs into my family. > When my grandmother was on her death bed (cancer) she > was in a lot of pain and my father instructed her to > pray to ramlalji, and a couple of days later she > described to my father of a old man in white with who > was by her side when she was in pain rubbing her > gently ... I am not sure if it;s the same that you are > talking about ... > > It is believed that vishweshwara mahaprabhu comes out > of his samadhi every six months to instruct and dispel > doubts of disciples in himalayas .. it is also > believed that he from time to time comes in various > forms incognito for specific purposes and then goes > back to himalayas .. there is only a indirect > reference that both the maha avatar babaji and > vishweshwara maha prabhuji could be one and the same > person ... Story goes that Prabhuji, believed to be a > form of vishveswara mahaprabhu made a reference that > he had initiated Lahari mahashaya on his way to > himalayas .. now it is widely believed that lahari > mahasaya was initiated by mahaavatar baba .. hence the > doubt of connection between the both ... > > I am not sure if it';s a bright idea to be talking of > these here .. I rest my cursor though .. > > Surya. > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Not sure ... this Babaji, I was talking about has > > come up in readings > > many times and often during the periods when the > > individuals > > experienced a vision or experience of this > > Divine/Saintly figure, > > there has been a strong influence of ketu in their > > lives. The figure > > as described to me during readings, etc is of a > > square, complete bald > > person with a square face, large very compassionate > > almost dreamy > > eyes, somewhat thick lips, shapely but not too > > prominent nose. He > > wears a white chaddar and emanates pure 'joy'. Often > > nativities > > experiencing the vision broke into joyful tears when > > describing the > > presence. On a few occasions, quite frankly, I could > > feel that I > > touched the perimeter of their experience and I am a > > very earthy > > person with no intuition, no psychic experience etc > > to talk of and > > generally am quite contained emotionally. They (some > > of them) > > described the 'Baba' as being using a long stick or > > staff when > > walking, and emanated a sort of light which brought > > joy. Unlike > > Gandhiji, this Being was described as stocky, stout > > and not of frail > > appearance. Most if not all of these nativities were > > of very stable > > personalities, held good jobs and steady, important > > careers and were > > generally living reasonably satwic lives, if you > > catch my drift. > > > > That is all the information I have that I can share > > at this time. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Are you talking of Vishweshwara mahaprabhuji? > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard of or experienced an 'older' > > > > version of Baba(ji)? > > > > > > > > This is different from both Sai Babas (Shirdi > > and > > > > Puttaparthi) and > > > > probably different from the Being described by > > > > Yukteshwara/Yogananada. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "V. > > > > Sreelatha" > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > I was just catching up on this weeks postings, > > and > > > > I see that there > > > > > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a > > Guru is > > > > needed or not. > > > > > May I add to this? > > > > > > > > > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any > > seeker. > > > > I have > > > > absolutely > > > > > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru analyzes a > > > > person's needs, and > > > > > then prescribes the correct path, whether it > > be a > > > > mantra, or yogic > > > > > exercises or studying some scriptures or > > whatever > > > > the relavent > > > > thing > > > > > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as I > > am > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > However, this does not mean that those people > > that > > > > do not have a > > > > > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. In > > this > > > > day and age, > > > > true > > > > > Gurus are few and far between. This quickly > > > > becomes a vicious > > > > cycle. > > > > > If no one treads on the spiritual paths > > because of > > > > lack of Gurus, > > > > no > > > > > one will process enough to be a Guru for > > someone > > > > else, and the net > > > > > result will be a loss for all spiritual > > seekers. > > > > > > > > > > Having said that Gurus are few and far > > between, if > > > > you seek one and > > > > > find one, that is great. If not, you STILL > > follow > > > > the spiritual > > > > path > > > > > that comes most naturally to you, and > > eventually > > > > the spiritual > > > > > guidance will come. And yes, the path might be > > > > more difficult to > > > > > negotiate on your own, but rest assured that > > only > > > > good, and no harm > > > > > will ever come to one that tries. Lord Krishna > > > > touches upon this in > > > > > the Bhagavat Gita, and mentions that the > > smallest > > > > act of > > > > > spirituality is not wasted. Even if a soul > > only > > > > makes a small > > > > amount > > > > > of progress, that is still better than none - > > it > > > > would pick up at > > > > > that point in the next lifetime and continue > > the > > > > quest. THAT is the > > > > > reason for my positive attitude towards any > > > > mantra. Every little > > > > bit > > > > > helps that person, and it helps the world at > > > > large. > > > > > > > > > > My philosophy for myself is that I already > > have my > > > > Guru. My Krishna > > > > > himself is my Guru, and one of the ways I > > worship > > > > him is with the > > > > Om > > > > > Krishna Guru mantra, beseeching him to teach > > me > > > > His ways. (Well, > > > > > Krishna has always been my constant companion, > > my > > > > love, my child, > > > > my > > > > > father and my mother, so I figured I might as > > well > > > > continue the > > > > > pattern by making Him my Guru too ;-). > > Similarly, > > > > one of the forms > > > > > of Shiva I worship is as the Guru, > > Dakshinamurthy > > > > and the Guru form > > > > > of the Devi is Sarada Devi. > > > > > > > > > > There is no rule that Gurus should have a > > physical > > > > body, as the > > > > many > > > > > people guided by Mahaavatar Babaji can attest > > to. > > > > Each seeker in a > > > > > parampara consider all the Gurus in that > > parampara > > > > to be their > > > > > Gurus, whether living or not. We have all been > > > > blessed by the Gurus > > > > > and saints of the world .... Adi > > Shankaracharya, > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Raghavendra > > Swami, > > > > Sai Baba, > > > > > Prabhupada, Vyasadeva .... the list goes on. > > If a > > > > Guru in a > > > > physical > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Srirama navami is one time when he comes it is believed .. I have something very interesting to share here ... sometime ago, I got a book written by one Alice bailey soemtime in early 1947 ... on the net .. (I have enclosed it below) ... this is a lady from england with no belief whatsoever in Indian philosophy. It is a book of her experiences in India where she had come to translate some oriental books ... There is one particular passage which made me leap from my seat when I read it .... I am sure this would be of some to u as well ... I think the day she is refering to is Buddha pournima ... this certainly is not however when vishveswara maha prabhu is expected to come ... the rest of the book is in the word document that I have enclosed .. "Another happening about the same time carried conviction to me of another world of events. It is something which - at the time it occurred - I could not have imagined, having no indication that such a happening was possible. Twice I had a dream in full waking consciousness. I called it a dream because I could not imagine at that time what else it could possibly be. Now I know that I participated in something that really took place. At the time of this dual occurrence this knowledge lay outside my field of ordinary recognition. Herein lies the value of the happening. There was no opportunity for autosuggestion, wishful thinking or an over-vivid imagination. I twice (whilst living and working in Great Britain) took part in an extraordinary ceremony and it was nearly two [39] decades after my participation that I discovered what it was all about. The ceremony in which I took part, I eventually found out, actually takes place every year at the time of the "Full Moon of May." It is the full moon of the Hindu calendar month of Vaisakha (Taurus) under its ancient name. This month is of vital importance to all Buddhists and the first day of this month is the national holiday known as the Hindu New Year's Day. This tremendous event takes place each year in the Himalayas. It is held in a valley and is not a mythical, subconscious happening but a real, physical plane occurrence. I found myself (whilst wide awake) in this valley and forming part of a vast, orderly crowd - mostly oriental but with a large sprinkling of occidental people. I knew exactly where I stood in that crowd and realized that it was my correct place and indicated my spiritual status. The valley was large and oval shaped, rocky and with high mountains on either side. The people, crowded in the valley, faced towards the East and towards a narrow, bottlenecked passage at the end. Just before this funnel shaped passage there stood an immense rock, rising out of the floor of the valley like a great table, and on the top of the rock was a crystal bowl which looked as if it was three feet across. This bowl was full of water. Standing ahead of the crowd and in front of the rock were three Figures. They formed a triangle and, to my surprise, the one at the apex of the triangle seemed to me to be the Christ. The waiting crowd appeared to be in constant movement, and as they moved they formed great and familiar symbols - the Cross in its various forms, the circle with the point in the center, the five-pointed star and various interlaced triangles. It was almost like a solemn, rhythmic dance, very slow and dignified but quite soundless. Suddenly, the three Figures before the rock stretched out Their arms towards the heavens. The [40] crowd froze into immobility. At the far end of the bottleneck a Figure was seen in the sky, hovering over the passage and slowly approaching the rock. I knew in some subjective and certain fashion that it was the Buddha. I had a sense of recognition. I knew at the same time that in no way was our Christ belittled. I got a glimpse of the unity and of the Plan to which the Christ, the Buddha and all the Masters are eternally dedicated. I realized for the first time, though in a dim and uncertain manner, the unity of all manifestation and that all existence - the material world, the spiritual realm, the aspiring disciple, the evolving animal and the beauty of the vegetable and mineral kingdoms - constituted one divine and living whole which was moving on to the demonstration of the glory of the Lord. I grasped - faintly - that human beings needed the Christ and the Buddha and all the Members of the planetary Hierarchy, and that there were happenings and events of far greater moment to the progress of the race than those recorded in history. I was left bewildered, because to me (at that time) the heathen were still heathen and I was a Christian. Deep and fundamental doubts were left in my mind. My life was henceforth colored (and is today) by the knowledge that there were Masters and subjective events upon the inner spiritual planes and in the world of meaning which were a part of life itself, perhaps the most important part. How could I fit these things into my limited theology and my daily life. I did not know. It is said that one's deepest and most intimate spiritual experiences should never be discussed or related. This is fundamentally true and no true "experiencer" is the least interested in such discussions. The deeper and more vital the experience, the less temptation is there to tell it. Only beginners with a theoretical, imaginative event in their [41] consciousness claim such experiences. But with deliberation I have related the two above subjective events (or was the first subjective?) because it is time that people of standing and who are recognized as sane and intelligent should add their testimony to that of the frequently discredited mystic and occultist. I have a good standing as an intelligent, normal woman, an effective executive and creative writer and I choose to add my certain knowledge and conviction to the witness of many others down the ages." - Alice Bailey --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > How wonderful! > > Just curious about one thing if known ... does he > come at solstices > or equinoxes or some other time (of astrological > signficance)? > > RR > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hmm, I presume the same legend goes for this soul > that > > you are talking of .. it is widely believed that a > old > > brahmin had descended on earth around 3000 year > ago > > like a huge light in the sky. He is interchangably > > described as maha avatar baba a 16 year old and > also > > as vishweshwara mahaprabhuji a old man in white > > attaire with almost drooping eyelids .. > > one of the incarnations of this ramlalji and his > > lineage runs into my family. > > When my grandmother was on her death bed (cancer) > she > > was in a lot of pain and my father instructed her > to > > pray to ramlalji, and a couple of days later she > > described to my father of a old man in white with > who > > was by her side when she was in pain rubbing her > > gently ... I am not sure if it;s the same that you > are > > talking about ... > > > > It is believed that vishweshwara mahaprabhu comes > out > > of his samadhi every six months to instruct and > dispel > > doubts of disciples in himalayas .. it is also > > believed that he from time to time comes in > various > > forms incognito for specific purposes and then > goes > > back to himalayas .. there is only a indirect > > reference that both the maha avatar babaji and > > vishweshwara maha prabhuji could be one and the > same > > person ... Story goes that Prabhuji, believed to > be a > > form of vishveswara mahaprabhu made a reference > that > > he had initiated Lahari mahashaya on his way to > > himalayas .. now it is widely believed that lahari > > mahasaya was initiated by mahaavatar baba .. hence > the > > doubt of connection between the both ... > > > > I am not sure if it';s a bright idea to be talking > of > > these here .. I rest my cursor though .. > > > > Surya. > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not sure ... this Babaji, I was talking about > has > > > come up in readings > > > many times and often during the periods when the > > > individuals > > > experienced a vision or experience of this > > > Divine/Saintly figure, > > > there has been a strong influence of ketu in > their > > > lives. The figure > > > as described to me during readings, etc is of a > > > square, complete bald > > > person with a square face, large very > compassionate > > > almost dreamy > > > eyes, somewhat thick lips, shapely but not too > > > prominent nose. He > > > wears a white chaddar and emanates pure 'joy'. > Often > > > nativities > > > experiencing the vision broke into joyful tears > when > > > describing the > > > presence. On a few occasions, quite frankly, I > could > > > feel that I > > > touched the perimeter of their experience and I > am a > > > very earthy > > > person with no intuition, no psychic experience > etc > > > to talk of and > > > generally am quite contained emotionally. They > (some > > > of them) > > > described the 'Baba' as being using a long stick > or > > > staff when > > > walking, and emanated a sort of light which > brought > > > joy. Unlike > > > Gandhiji, this Being was described as stocky, > stout > > > and not of frail > > > appearance. Most if not all of these nativities > were > > > of very stable > > > personalities, held good jobs and steady, > important > > > careers and were > > > generally living reasonably satwic lives, if you > > > catch my drift. > > > > > > That is all the information I have that I can > share > > > at this time. > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Are you talking of Vishweshwara mahaprabhuji? > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard of or experienced an > 'older' > > > > > version of Baba(ji)? > > > > > > > > > > This is different from both Sai Babas > (Shirdi > > > and > > > > > Puttaparthi) and > > > > > probably different from the Being described > by > > > > > Yukteshwara/Yogananada. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "V. > > > > > Sreelatha" > > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just catching up on this weeks > postings, > > > and > > > > > I see that there > > > > > > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a > > > Guru is > > > > > needed or not. > > > > > > May I add to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any > > > seeker. > > > > > I have > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru > analyzes a > > > > > person's needs, and > > > > > > then prescribes the correct path, whether > it > > > be a > > > > > mantra, or yogic > > > > > > exercises or studying some scriptures or > > > whatever > > > > > the relavent > > > > > thing > > > > > > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as > I > > > am > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this does not mean that those > people > > > that > > > > > do not have a > > > > > > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. > In > > > this > > > > > day and age, > > > > > true > > > > > > Gurus are few and far between. This > quickly > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Wasn't Alice Bailey a theosophist and astrologer? Her book, Esoteric Astrology was interesting, intriguing and perplexing to read! RR , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Srirama navami is one time when he comes it is > believed .. > > I have something very interesting to share here ... > sometime ago, I got a book written by one Alice bailey > soemtime in early 1947 ... on the net .. (I have > enclosed it below) ... this is a lady from england > with no belief whatsoever in Indian philosophy. It is > a book of her experiences in India where she had come > to translate some oriental books ... > > There is one particular passage which made me leap > from my seat when I read it .... I am sure this would > be of some to u as well ... I think the day she is > refering to is Buddha pournima ... this certainly is > not however when vishveswara maha prabhu is expected > to come ... the rest of the book is in the word > document that I have enclosed .. > > "Another happening about the same time carried > conviction to me of another world of events. It is > something which - at the time it occurred - I could > not have imagined, having no indication that such a > happening was possible. Twice I had a dream in full > waking consciousness. I called it a dream because I > could not imagine at that time what else it could > possibly be. Now I know that I participated in > something that really took place. At the time of this > dual occurrence this knowledge lay outside my field of > ordinary recognition. Herein lies the value of the > happening. There was no opportunity for > autosuggestion, wishful thinking or an over-vivid > imagination. > > I twice (whilst living and working in Great Britain) > took part in an extraordinary ceremony and it was > nearly two [39] decades after my participation that I > discovered what it was all about. The ceremony in > which I took part, I eventually found out, actually > takes place every year at the time of the "Full Moon > of May." It is the full moon of the Hindu calendar > month of Vaisakha (Taurus) under its ancient name. > This month is of vital importance to all Buddhists and > the first day of this month is the national holiday > known as the Hindu New Year's Day. This tremendous > event takes place each year in the Himalayas. It is > held in a valley and is not a mythical, subconscious > happening but a real, physical plane occurrence. I > found myself (whilst wide awake) in this valley and > forming part of a vast, orderly crowd - mostly > oriental but with a large sprinkling of occidental > people. I knew exactly where I stood in that crowd and > realized that it was my correct place and indicated my > spiritual status. > The valley was large and oval shaped, rocky and with > high mountains on either side. The people, crowded in > the valley, faced towards the East and towards a > narrow, bottlenecked passage at the end. Just before > this funnel shaped passage there stood an immense > rock, rising out of the floor of the valley like a > great table, and on the top of the rock was a crystal > bowl which looked as if it was three feet across. This > bowl was full of water. Standing ahead of the crowd > and in front of the rock were three Figures. They > formed a triangle and, to my surprise, the one at the > apex of the triangle seemed to me to be the Christ. > The waiting crowd appeared to be in constant movement, > and as they moved they formed great and familiar > symbols - the Cross in its various forms, the circle > with the point in the center, the five-pointed star > and various interlaced triangles. It was almost like a > solemn, rhythmic dance, very slow and dignified but > quite soundless. Suddenly, the three Figures before > the rock stretched out Their arms towards the heavens. > The [40] crowd froze into immobility. At the far end > of the bottleneck a Figure was seen in the sky, > hovering over the passage and slowly approaching the > rock. I knew in some subjective and certain fashion > that it was the Buddha. I had a sense of recognition. > I knew at the same time that in no way was our Christ > belittled. I got a glimpse of the unity and of the > Plan to which the Christ, the Buddha and all the > Masters are eternally dedicated. I realized for the > first time, though in a dim and uncertain manner, the > unity of all manifestation and that all existence - > the material world, the spiritual realm, the aspiring > disciple, the evolving animal and the beauty of the > vegetable and mineral kingdoms - constituted one > divine and living whole which was moving on to the > demonstration of the glory of the Lord. I grasped - > faintly - that human beings needed the Christ and the > Buddha and all the Members of the planetary Hierarchy, > and that there were happenings and events of far > greater moment to the progress of the race than those > recorded in history. I was left bewildered, because to > me (at that time) the heathen were still heathen and I > was a Christian. Deep and fundamental doubts were left > in my mind. My life was henceforth colored (and is > today) by the knowledge that there were Masters and > subjective events upon the inner spiritual planes and > in the world of meaning which were a part of life > itself, perhaps the most important part. How could I > fit these things into my limited theology and my daily > life. I did not know. > > It is said that one's deepest and most intimate > spiritual experiences should never be discussed or > related. This is fundamentally true and no true > "experiencer" is the least interested in such > discussions. The deeper and more vital the experience, > the less temptation is there to tell it. Only > beginners with a theoretical, imaginative event in > their [41] consciousness claim such experiences. But > with deliberation I have related the two above > subjective events (or was the first subjective?) > because it is time that people of standing and who are > recognized as sane and intelligent should add their > testimony to that of the frequently discredited mystic > and occultist. I have a good standing as an > intelligent, normal woman, an effective executive and > creative writer and I choose to add my certain > knowledge and conviction to the witness of many others > down the ages." > > - Alice Bailey > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > How wonderful! > > > > Just curious about one thing if known ... does he > > come at solstices > > or equinoxes or some other time (of astrological > > signficance)? > > > > RR > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Hmm, I presume the same legend goes for this soul > > that > > > you are talking of .. it is widely believed that a > > old > > > brahmin had descended on earth around 3000 year > > ago > > > like a huge light in the sky. He is interchangably > > > described as maha avatar baba a 16 year old and > > also > > > as vishweshwara mahaprabhuji a old man in white > > > attaire with almost drooping eyelids .. > > > one of the incarnations of this ramlalji and his > > > lineage runs into my family. > > > When my grandmother was on her death bed (cancer) > > she > > > was in a lot of pain and my father instructed her > > to > > > pray to ramlalji, and a couple of days later she > > > described to my father of a old man in white with > > who > > > was by her side when she was in pain rubbing her > > > gently ... I am not sure if it;s the same that you > > are > > > talking about ... > > > > > > It is believed that vishweshwara mahaprabhu comes > > out > > > of his samadhi every six months to instruct and > > dispel > > > doubts of disciples in himalayas .. it is also > > > believed that he from time to time comes in > > various > > > forms incognito for specific purposes and then > > goes > > > back to himalayas .. there is only a indirect > > > reference that both the maha avatar babaji and > > > vishweshwara maha prabhuji could be one and the > > same > > > person ... Story goes that Prabhuji, believed to > > be a > > > form of vishveswara mahaprabhu made a reference > > that > > > he had initiated Lahari mahashaya on his way to > > > himalayas .. now it is widely believed that lahari > > > mahasaya was initiated by mahaavatar baba .. hence > > the > > > doubt of connection between the both ... > > > > > > I am not sure if it';s a bright idea to be talking > > of > > > these here .. I rest my cursor though .. > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure ... this Babaji, I was talking about > > has > > > > come up in readings > > > > many times and often during the periods when the > > > > individuals > > > > experienced a vision or experience of this > > > > Divine/Saintly figure, > > > > there has been a strong influence of ketu in > > their > > > > lives. The figure > > > > as described to me during readings, etc is of a > > > > square, complete bald > > > > person with a square face, large very > > compassionate > > > > almost dreamy > > > > eyes, somewhat thick lips, shapely but not too > > > > prominent nose. He > > > > wears a white chaddar and emanates pure 'joy'. > > Often > > > > nativities > > > > experiencing the vision broke into joyful tears > > when > > > > describing the > > > > presence. On a few occasions, quite frankly, I > > could > > > > feel that I > > > > touched the perimeter of their experience and I > > am a > > > > very earthy > > > > person with no intuition, no psychic experience > > etc > > > > to talk of and > > > > generally am quite contained emotionally. They > > (some > > > > of them) > > > > described the 'Baba' as being using a long stick > > or > > > > staff when > > > > walking, and emanated a sort of light which > > brought > > > > joy. Unlike > > > > Gandhiji, this Being was described as stocky, > > stout > > > > and not of frail > > > > appearance. Most if not all of these nativities > > were > > > > of very stable > > > > personalities, held good jobs and steady, > > important > > > > careers and were > > > > generally living reasonably satwic lives, if you > > > > catch my drift. > > > > > > > > That is all the information I have that I can > > share > > > > at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > Are you talking of Vishweshwara mahaprabhuji? > > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard of or experienced an > > 'older' > > > > > > version of Baba(ji)? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is different from both Sai Babas > > (Shirdi > > > > and > > > > > > Puttaparthi) and > > > > > > probably different from the Being described > > by > > > > > > Yukteshwara/Yogananada. > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "V. > > > > > > Sreelatha" > > > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just catching up on this weeks > > postings, > > > > and > > > > > > I see that there > > > > > > > is a lot of discussion regarding whether a > > > > Guru is > > > > > > needed or not. > > > > > > > May I add to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A true Guru is a wonderful blessing to any > > > > seeker. > > > > > > I have > > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > no doubt regarding this. If a Guru > > analyzes a > > > > > > person's needs, and > > > > > > > then prescribes the correct path, whether > > it > > > > be a > > > > > > mantra, or yogic > > > > > > > exercises or studying some scriptures or > > > > whatever > > > > > > the relavent > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > is. This is pretty much a given, as far as > > I > > > > am > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this does not mean that those > > people > > > > that > > > > > > do not have a > > > > > > > Guru should not pursue any of these paths. > > In > > > > this > > > > > > day and age, > > > > > > true > > > > > > > Gurus are few and far between. This > > quickly > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I presume you are right ... I did chance on the book but did not read it, I presume its available on the net as well? Surya. --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > Wasn't Alice Bailey a theosophist and astrologer? > Her book, Esoteric > Astrology was interesting, intriguing and perplexing > to read! > > RR > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Srirama navami is one time when he comes it is > > believed .. > > > > I have something very interesting to share here > ... > > sometime ago, I got a book written by one Alice > bailey > > soemtime in early 1947 ... on the net .. (I have > > enclosed it below) ... this is a lady from england > > with no belief whatsoever in Indian philosophy. It > is > > a book of her experiences in India where she had > come > > to translate some oriental books ... > > > > There is one particular passage which made me leap > > > from my seat when I read it .... I am sure this > would > > be of some to u as well ... I think the day she is > > refering to is Buddha pournima ... this certainly > is > > not however when vishveswara maha prabhu is > expected > > to come ... the rest of the book is in the word > > document that I have enclosed .. > > > > "Another happening about the same time carried > > conviction to me of another world of events. It is > > something which - at the time it occurred - I > could > > not have imagined, having no indication that such > a > > happening was possible. Twice I had a dream in > full > > waking consciousness. I called it a dream because > I > > could not imagine at that time what else it could > > possibly be. Now I know that I participated in > > something that really took place. At the time of > this > > dual occurrence this knowledge lay outside my > field of > > ordinary recognition. Herein lies the value of the > > happening. There was no opportunity for > > autosuggestion, wishful thinking or an over-vivid > > imagination. > > > > I twice (whilst living and working in Great > Britain) > > took part in an extraordinary ceremony and it was > > nearly two [39] decades after my participation > that I > > discovered what it was all about. The ceremony in > > which I took part, I eventually found out, > actually > > takes place every year at the time of the "Full > Moon > > of May." It is the full moon of the Hindu calendar > > month of Vaisakha (Taurus) under its ancient name. > > This month is of vital importance to all Buddhists > and > > the first day of this month is the national > holiday > > known as the Hindu New Year's Day. This tremendous > > event takes place each year in the Himalayas. It > is > > held in a valley and is not a mythical, > subconscious > > happening but a real, physical plane occurrence. I > > found myself (whilst wide awake) in this valley > and > > forming part of a vast, orderly crowd - mostly > > oriental but with a large sprinkling of occidental > > people. I knew exactly where I stood in that crowd > and > > realized that it was my correct place and > indicated my > > spiritual status. > > The valley was large and oval shaped, rocky and > with > > high mountains on either side. The people, crowded > in > > the valley, faced towards the East and towards a > > narrow, bottlenecked passage at the end. Just > before > > this funnel shaped passage there stood an immense > > rock, rising out of the floor of the valley like a > > great table, and on the top of the rock was a > crystal > > bowl which looked as if it was three feet across. > This > > bowl was full of water. Standing ahead of the > crowd > > and in front of the rock were three Figures. They > > formed a triangle and, to my surprise, the one at > the > > apex of the triangle seemed to me to be the > Christ. > > The waiting crowd appeared to be in constant > movement, > > and as they moved they formed great and familiar > > symbols - the Cross in its various forms, the > circle > > with the point in the center, the five-pointed > star > > and various interlaced triangles. It was almost > like a > > solemn, rhythmic dance, very slow and dignified > but > > quite soundless. Suddenly, the three Figures > before > > the rock stretched out Their arms towards the > heavens. > > The [40] crowd froze into immobility. At the far > end > > of the bottleneck a Figure was seen in the sky, > > hovering over the passage and slowly approaching > the > > rock. I knew in some subjective and certain > fashion > > that it was the Buddha. I had a sense of > recognition. > > I knew at the same time that in no way was our > Christ > > belittled. I got a glimpse of the unity and of the > > Plan to which the Christ, the Buddha and all the > > Masters are eternally dedicated. I realized for > the > > first time, though in a dim and uncertain manner, > the > > unity of all manifestation and that all existence > - > > the material world, the spiritual realm, the > aspiring > > disciple, the evolving animal and the beauty of > the > > vegetable and mineral kingdoms - constituted one > > divine and living whole which was moving on to the > > demonstration of the glory of the Lord. I grasped > - > > faintly - that human beings needed the Christ and > the > > Buddha and all the Members of the planetary > Hierarchy, > > and that there were happenings and events of far > > greater moment to the progress of the race than > those > > recorded in history. I was left bewildered, > because to > > me (at that time) the heathen were still heathen > and I > > was a Christian. Deep and fundamental doubts were > left > > in my mind. My life was henceforth colored (and is > > today) by the knowledge that there were Masters > and > > subjective events upon the inner spiritual planes > and > > in the world of meaning which were a part of life > > itself, perhaps the most important part. How could > I > > fit these things into my limited theology and my > daily > > life. I did not know. > > > > It is said that one's deepest and most intimate > > spiritual experiences should never be discussed or > > related. This is fundamentally true and no true > > "experiencer" is the least interested in such > > discussions. The deeper and more vital the > experience, > > the less temptation is there to tell it. Only > > beginners with a theoretical, imaginative event in > > their [41] consciousness claim such experiences. > But > > with deliberation I have related the two above > > subjective events (or was the first subjective?) > > because it is time that people of standing and who > are > > recognized as sane and intelligent should add > their > > testimony to that of the frequently discredited > mystic > > and occultist. I have a good standing as an > > intelligent, normal woman, an effective executive > and > > creative writer and I choose to add my certain > > knowledge and conviction to the witness of many > others > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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