Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Dear Sreelatha, Well, mantras for strenghening of 2nd, 3rd etc houses. I was thinking Mantra belonging to 2nd house or 3rd house etc, when you said that Om Namah Shivaya is from 2nd house to 5th house etc. What I was thinking that as far as 2nd house is concerned, this house is for aquisitions. Aquisition of money, material, education, family, food etc and for this ego is involved in a big way.Means you move from 1st house to aquiring materials/education/family etc and you have to labour for all these and attach lot of mental energy and ego with these aquisitions. Can aquisition of Mantra come under 2nd house? What I have in mind is that these Mantras are for dissolving ego. And here triangle of 1st, 5th and 9th is involved and also 12th to these house ie 12th, 4th, and 8th are to participate. Other houses are not relevant including 2nd. But strenghening of a house in material sence is different proposition. And in my opinion it may not be possible to alter your material gains/losses by these Mantras. Inder , "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > Yes, this is from one of Sanjay Ji's books, can't remember which one > off the top of my head. I am guessing that it is the Vedic Remedies > book, since it seems to fit the topic. > > The concept is very simple, actually. Count the number of words in > the mantra. This is the house that the energy is taken from. So, in > Om Namah Shivaya, there are 3 words, hence the third house. Now > count the number of "aksharas". I suppose akshara can be roughly > translated to syllables, but I find it easier to imagine the mantra > written in any Indian language and then take each discrete "akshar", > along with the associated "maatras". So, Om is one akshar, Namah has > two, and Shivaya has three, making it a total of 6 aksharas. This is > the house that the energy is drawn to. (There is also the concept of > where the mantradevatha sits, based on these two counts, but I don't > know what the practical application of that is.) > > This is one of the factors that Sanjay Ji recommends that > astrologers consider while giving a mantra to a native, see which > house needs strengthening, which devatha needs strenghtening etc, > and how to add beeja mantras as suffixes or prefixes as needed to > come up with the right count. There are many other factors regarding > the suitability of mantras too, based on janma nakshatra, name etc. > in his books. However, all siddha mantras, like the Om Namah Shivaya > we are talking about, are exempt from these checks, since they are > designed to be good for all charts. Another siddha mantra that I > remember from Sanjay Ji's list and use constantly is Om Namo > Naaraayanaya. Most siddha mantras seem to target the 6th, 8th or the > 12th houses, which are the common problems for most people, and > hence these mantras help everyone in general. > > -sreelatha > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreelatha, > > This concept of 3rd house to 6th house . and 2nd house to 5th > house > > seem to be very interesting. > > Could you further explain how you concluded this or from where you > > read this.Pt.Sanjay Rath book?? > > Inder > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah shivaya" donset > > > > need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva ... but > > > > I stop repeating this mantra because I dont know the > > > > rules that go with it .. are you aware of any? > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > I hope you don't mind me responding to this question. > > > > > > First of all, yes, Om Namah Shivaya is a Siddha mantram, which > > means > > > that anyone can obtain the full benefit of it with or without > > > initiation. > > > > > > Secondly, I believe that if a mantra is chanted with sincerity > and > > > devotion, it will never do any harm. Suppose your toddler is > > trying > > > to say "Daddy", but he only manages "Da-Da". Will you be angry > > with > > > him about the mispronunciation? Or will you ignore him until he > > > masters saying it the right way? Or will you come to him, and > help > > > him anyway, since you know his intentions? If we believe that > the > > > Lord is more compassionate than any human, why would we ever > think > > > that He/She would not be at least as kind as a human parent? > > > > > > Sanjay Rath Ji has written a wonderful book called Vedic > Remedies > > in > > > Astrology where he discusses Mantra Shastra in detail. After > > > elaborate discussions, he too concedes that there is no > substitute > > > for sincere devotion, and that *any* mantra chanted with > devotion > > > will give results. BTW, he also has a list of mantras that are > > > exempt from rules re. initiation, and Om Namah Shivaya is one of > > > them, as are other popular mantras. This is the traditional view > > too. > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya takes energy from the 3rd house of the > horoscope > > > and gives it to the 6th. The third house is the parakrama house, > > > where all desires, passions etc. originate. The sixth house is > the > > > house of enemies. The greatest enemeies of man are inside > oneself, > > > these are the shadripu, the Six Enemies, Kaama (lust), Krodha > > > (anger), Lobha (greed), Moha (illusion), Mada (arrogance) and > > > Maschara (avarice). Hence,this great mantra provides two > benefits > > at > > > one time. Our desires and passions are the root cause of all our > > > suffering, and these are lessened. Simultaneouly, we have more > > > strength to defeat the internal enemies that cause unnecessary > > > grief. > > > > > > There is another variation on this mantra, Namah Shivaya. This > > > mantra takes the energy from the 2nd house and gives to the 5th. > > > This is the popular Panchaakshari, and is considered an ideal > > mantra > > > for a householder, since the spiritual blessings from the family > > and > > > lineage (2nd) are passed on to the offspring (5th). Om is called > > the > > > Guru Beeja or the Moksha beeja, and the addition of OM to this > > > mantra leads one to ultimate salvation. (previous para) > > > > > > Yes, there are some mantras that you are supposed to chant to > > > certain meters, at certain times etc etc. My experience has been > > > that if you start chanting with devotion, the meter (chandassu) > > etc > > > will come by themselves ... sooner or later I fell into a rythem > > > without knowing it, and later came to learn that this was indeed > > the > > > correct rhythem! Guidance will come.... > > > > > > All of this is ONLY for mantras that are chanted for positive > > > outcomes - mantras to cause evil to others are another story > > > altogether, and yes, those can terribly harm the chanter at some > > > point because of the bad karma generated by trying to hurt > others. > > I > > > know this is not what you are talking about, Surya, but just > > wanted > > > to make the point that intentions are the key. > > > > > > I heard a charming story once. A hunter once came to a Rishi, > > > requesting a mantra. The rishi tried to teach him the Rama > mantra, > > > but the poor hunter was so illiterate that he could not even > > > pronounce that simple word, rama. The rishi though for a while, > > and > > > advised the hunter to chant the word "mara" with devotion. Mara > > > means to kill, and this was very familiar to the hunter, since > > that > > > was what he did, he killed animals in the forest. The hunter > > > sincerely meditated on this word, and as he chanted it, the > > > syllables merged into each other and "Mara... Ma... Ra.. > Ma..Ra.." > > > became "Ra..Ma.. Ra..Ma.." and sounded the name of Lord Shree > > Rama!! > > > The hunter obtained moksha for his sincere devotion - note that > > the > > > word he started meditating on was to kill, which is a terrible > > sin, > > > but his devotion, and his faith in the rishi's words led him to > > the > > > Lord himself. > > > > > > As always, ,y humble opinion, > > > Sreelatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 mantrasiddhi, classically in the domain of 5th house. Some say that the mantra itself is derived from 8th and its siddhi (success) seen from the 10th therefrom. RR , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Sreelatha, > Well, mantras for strenghening of 2nd, 3rd etc houses. > I was thinking Mantra belonging to 2nd house or 3rd house etc, when > you said that Om Namah Shivaya is from 2nd house to 5th house etc. > What I was thinking that as far as 2nd house is concerned, this > house is for aquisitions. > Aquisition of money, material, education, family, food etc and for > this ego is involved in a big way.Means you move from 1st house to > aquiring materials/education/family etc and you have to labour for > all these and attach lot of mental energy and ego with these > aquisitions. Can aquisition of Mantra come under 2nd house? > What I have in mind is that these Mantras are for dissolving ego. > And here triangle of 1st, 5th and 9th is involved and also 12th to > these house ie 12th, 4th, and 8th are to participate. Other houses > are not relevant including 2nd. > But strenghening of a house in material sence is different > proposition. And in my opinion it may not be possible to alter your > material gains/losses by these Mantras. > Inder > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > Yes, this is from one of Sanjay Ji's books, can't remember which > one > > off the top of my head. I am guessing that it is the Vedic > Remedies > > book, since it seems to fit the topic. > > > > The concept is very simple, actually. Count the number of words in > > the mantra. This is the house that the energy is taken from. So, > in > > Om Namah Shivaya, there are 3 words, hence the third house. Now > > count the number of "aksharas". I suppose akshara can be roughly > > translated to syllables, but I find it easier to imagine the > mantra > > written in any Indian language and then take each > discrete "akshar", > > along with the associated "maatras". So, Om is one akshar, Namah > has > > two, and Shivaya has three, making it a total of 6 aksharas. This > is > > the house that the energy is drawn to. (There is also the concept > of > > where the mantradevatha sits, based on these two counts, but I > don't > > know what the practical application of that is.) > > > > This is one of the factors that Sanjay Ji recommends that > > astrologers consider while giving a mantra to a native, see which > > house needs strengthening, which devatha needs strenghtening etc, > > and how to add beeja mantras as suffixes or prefixes as needed to > > come up with the right count. There are many other factors > regarding > > the suitability of mantras too, based on janma nakshatra, name > etc. > > in his books. However, all siddha mantras, like the Om Namah > Shivaya > > we are talking about, are exempt from these checks, since they are > > designed to be good for all charts. Another siddha mantra that I > > remember from Sanjay Ji's list and use constantly is Om Namo > > Naaraayanaya. Most siddha mantras seem to target the 6th, 8th or > the > > 12th houses, which are the common problems for most people, and > > hence these mantras help everyone in general. > > > > -sreelatha > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreelatha, > > > This concept of 3rd house to 6th house . and 2nd house to 5th > > house > > > seem to be very interesting. > > > Could you further explain how you concluded this or from where > you > > > read this.Pt.Sanjay Rath book?? > > > Inder > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah shivaya" donset > > > > > need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva ... but > > > > > I stop repeating this mantra because I dont know the > > > > > rules that go with it .. are you aware of any? > > > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > > > I hope you don't mind me responding to this question. > > > > > > > > First of all, yes, Om Namah Shivaya is a Siddha mantram, which > > > means > > > > that anyone can obtain the full benefit of it with or without > > > > initiation. > > > > > > > > Secondly, I believe that if a mantra is chanted with sincerity > > and > > > > devotion, it will never do any harm. Suppose your toddler is > > > trying > > > > to say "Daddy", but he only manages "Da-Da". Will you be angry > > > with > > > > him about the mispronunciation? Or will you ignore him until > he > > > > masters saying it the right way? Or will you come to him, and > > help > > > > him anyway, since you know his intentions? If we believe that > > the > > > > Lord is more compassionate than any human, why would we ever > > think > > > > that He/She would not be at least as kind as a human parent? > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath Ji has written a wonderful book called Vedic > > Remedies > > > in > > > > Astrology where he discusses Mantra Shastra in detail. After > > > > elaborate discussions, he too concedes that there is no > > substitute > > > > for sincere devotion, and that *any* mantra chanted with > > devotion > > > > will give results. BTW, he also has a list of mantras that are > > > > exempt from rules re. initiation, and Om Namah Shivaya is one > of > > > > them, as are other popular mantras. This is the traditional > view > > > too. > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya takes energy from the 3rd house of the > > horoscope > > > > and gives it to the 6th. The third house is the parakrama > house, > > > > where all desires, passions etc. originate. The sixth house is > > the > > > > house of enemies. The greatest enemeies of man are inside > > oneself, > > > > these are the shadripu, the Six Enemies, Kaama (lust), Krodha > > > > (anger), Lobha (greed), Moha (illusion), Mada (arrogance) and > > > > Maschara (avarice). Hence,this great mantra provides two > > benefits > > > at > > > > one time. Our desires and passions are the root cause of all > our > > > > suffering, and these are lessened. Simultaneouly, we have more > > > > strength to defeat the internal enemies that cause unnecessary > > > > grief. > > > > > > > > There is another variation on this mantra, Namah Shivaya. This > > > > mantra takes the energy from the 2nd house and gives to the > 5th. > > > > This is the popular Panchaakshari, and is considered an ideal > > > mantra > > > > for a householder, since the spiritual blessings from the > family > > > and > > > > lineage (2nd) are passed on to the offspring (5th). Om is > called > > > the > > > > Guru Beeja or the Moksha beeja, and the addition of OM to this > > > > mantra leads one to ultimate salvation. (previous para) > > > > > > > > Yes, there are some mantras that you are supposed to chant to > > > > certain meters, at certain times etc etc. My experience has > been > > > > that if you start chanting with devotion, the meter > (chandassu) > > > etc > > > > will come by themselves ... sooner or later I fell into a > rythem > > > > without knowing it, and later came to learn that this was > indeed > > > the > > > > correct rhythem! Guidance will come.... > > > > > > > > All of this is ONLY for mantras that are chanted for positive > > > > outcomes - mantras to cause evil to others are another story > > > > altogether, and yes, those can terribly harm the chanter at > some > > > > point because of the bad karma generated by trying to hurt > > others. > > > I > > > > know this is not what you are talking about, Surya, but just > > > wanted > > > > to make the point that intentions are the key. > > > > > > > > I heard a charming story once. A hunter once came to a Rishi, > > > > requesting a mantra. The rishi tried to teach him the Rama > > mantra, > > > > but the poor hunter was so illiterate that he could not even > > > > pronounce that simple word, rama. The rishi though for a > while, > > > and > > > > advised the hunter to chant the word "mara" with devotion. > Mara > > > > means to kill, and this was very familiar to the hunter, since > > > that > > > > was what he did, he killed animals in the forest. The hunter > > > > sincerely meditated on this word, and as he chanted it, the > > > > syllables merged into each other and "Mara... Ma... Ra.. > > Ma..Ra.." > > > > became "Ra..Ma.. Ra..Ma.." and sounded the name of Lord Shree > > > Rama!! > > > > The hunter obtained moksha for his sincere devotion - note > that > > > the > > > > word he started meditating on was to kill, which is a terrible > > > sin, > > > > but his devotion, and his faith in the rishi's words led him > to > > > the > > > > Lord himself. > > > > > > > > As always, ,y humble opinion, > > > > Sreelatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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