To Surya re. Om Namah Shivaya (Was Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb

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, "Shad" <waterpowers>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Surya and all,

>

> please, allow me to add something.

>

> > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah shivaya" donset

> > > need initiation?

>

> om namaha sivaya is a mahamantra, and can be chanted by anyone, as

> any other mahamantra too. Sreelatha described this very nicely!

>

> But initiation is not only given to give ful power to the chanting

> of a mantra, there is much more behind it.

> What is the purpose of the chating of om namah sivaya? Is it about

> improving the bad karma and lead a more auspicous life, by living

> pious, etc? Or does the one who chants the mantra want to practise

> spiritual life, self-realization, trying to achieve the spiritual

> abode, like brahmajyoti or siva-loka, beyond karma and guna?

>

> If things are about self-realization, one indeed needs initiation

of

> a sadhu, because one can only make as much spiritual advancement,

as

> the guru, one received initiation from. In siva-purana, and vedanta

> and siddhanta that one cannot achieve transcendence without the

> guidance of a sadhu. Only one who has seen the truth can guide us

to

> the same.

>

> And for spiritual life it takes more than merely chanting the

> mahamantra, om namaha sivaya. One should also develop the

qualities,

> Krishna teaches us about in the bhagavat geeta, sattva guna. Once

> one has transcended sattva-guna, spiritual life actually starts.

>

> No matter what one wants to achieve - the chanting of the holy name

> is the most auspicious one can do in any case in ones life.

>

> So, please don't fear to chant the mahamantra, no matter if

> initiated or not.

>

> Below I copy a really beautiful bhajan, which is very auspicious

> for the devotee who chants it, and inspiring in the same.

>

> SHIVA SHAMBO

>

> SHIVA SHAMBO SHIVA SHAMBO (2x)

> KALYANA MURATI

> NAMO NAMAH NAMO NAMAH NAMO NAMAH (2x)

> GIRIJAPATI GANGA DHARE HARA HARA (2x)

> HARA HARA HARA HARA NAMO NAMAH (2x)

> KALYANA MURATI

> NAMO NAMAH NAMO NAMAH NAMO NAMAH (2x)

> SHIVA SHAMBO...

> SHIVA SHAMBO

>

> O benevolent Lord, benevolent Lord,

> You who are the personification of all that is good.

> I bow down to you again and again.

> Husband of Girija, daughter of the mountain,

> Carrying Ganga in your locks.

> Shiva Hara Hara, you take away all the miseries of life.

> I bow down to you again and again.

>

> Kindest regards,

> Shad

>

>

> , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> >

> > Very beautiful posting Lata...in simple words but very effective.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , "V. Sreelatha"

> > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah shivaya" donset

> > > > need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva ... but

> > > > I stop repeating this mantra because I dont know the

> > > > rules that go with it .. are you aware of any?

> > >

> > > Dear Surya,

> > >

> > > I hope you don't mind me responding to this question.

> > >

> > > First of all, yes, Om Namah Shivaya is a Siddha mantram, which

> > means

> > > that anyone can obtain the full benefit of it with or without

> > > initiation.

> > >

> > > Secondly, I believe that if a mantra is chanted with sincerity

> and

> > > devotion, it will never do any harm. Suppose your toddler is

> > trying

> > > to say "Daddy", but he only manages "Da-Da". Will you be angry

> > with

> > > him about the mispronunciation? Or will you ignore him until he

> > > masters saying it the right way? Or will you come to him, and

> help

> > > him anyway, since you know his intentions? If we believe that

> the

> > > Lord is more compassionate than any human, why would we ever

> think

> > > that He/She would not be at least as kind as a human parent?

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath Ji has written a wonderful book called Vedic

> Remedies

> > in

> > > Astrology where he discusses Mantra Shastra in detail. After

> > > elaborate discussions, he too concedes that there is no

> substitute

> > > for sincere devotion, and that *any* mantra chanted with

> devotion

> > > will give results. BTW, he also has a list of mantras that are

> > > exempt from rules re. initiation, and Om Namah Shivaya is one

of

> > > them, as are other popular mantras. This is the traditional

view

> > too.

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya takes energy from the 3rd house of the

> horoscope

> > > and gives it to the 6th. The third house is the parakrama

house,

> > > where all desires, passions etc. originate. The sixth house is

> the

> > > house of enemies. The greatest enemeies of man are inside

> oneself,

> > > these are the shadripu, the Six Enemies, Kaama (lust), Krodha

> > > (anger), Lobha (greed), Moha (illusion), Mada (arrogance) and

> > > Maschara (avarice). Hence,this great mantra provides two

> benefits

> > at

> > > one time. Our desires and passions are the root cause of all

our

> > > suffering, and these are lessened. Simultaneouly, we have more

> > > strength to defeat the internal enemies that cause unnecessary

> > > grief.

> > >

> > > There is another variation on this mantra, Namah Shivaya. This

> > > mantra takes the energy from the 2nd house and gives to the

5th.

> > > This is the popular Panchaakshari, and is considered an ideal

> > mantra

> > > for a householder, since the spiritual blessings from the

family

> > and

> > > lineage (2nd) are passed on to the offspring (5th). Om is

called

> > the

> > > Guru Beeja or the Moksha beeja, and the addition of OM to this

> > > mantra leads one to ultimate salvation. (previous para)

> > >

> > > Yes, there are some mantras that you are supposed to chant to

> > > certain meters, at certain times etc etc. My experience has

been

> > > that if you start chanting with devotion, the meter (chandassu)

> > etc

> > > will come by themselves ... sooner or later I fell into a

rythem

> > > without knowing it, and later came to learn that this was

indeed

> > the

> > > correct rhythem! Guidance will come....

> > >

> > > All of this is ONLY for mantras that are chanted for positive

> > > outcomes - mantras to cause evil to others are another story

> > > altogether, and yes, those can terribly harm the chanter at

some

> > > point because of the bad karma generated by trying to hurt

> others.

> > I

> > > know this is not what you are talking about, Surya, but just

> > wanted

> > > to make the point that intentions are the key.

> > >

> > > I heard a charming story once. A hunter once came to a Rishi,

> > > requesting a mantra. The rishi tried to teach him the Rama

> mantra,

> > > but the poor hunter was so illiterate that he could not even

> > > pronounce that simple word, rama. The rishi though for a while,

> > and

> > > advised the hunter to chant the word "mara" with devotion. Mara

> > > means to kill, and this was very familiar to the hunter, since

> > that

> > > was what he did, he killed animals in the forest. The hunter

> > > sincerely meditated on this word, and as he chanted it, the

> > > syllables merged into each other and "Mara... Ma... Ra..

> Ma..Ra.."

> > > became "Ra..Ma.. Ra..Ma.." and sounded the name of Lord Shree

> > Rama!!

> > > The hunter obtained moksha for his sincere devotion - note that

> > the

> > > word he started meditating on was to kill, which is a terrible

> > sin,

> > > but his devotion, and his faith in the rishi's words led him to

> > the

> > > Lord himself.

> > >

> > > As always, ,y humble opinion,

> > > Sreelatha