2-Mary, > freedom, determinism....& Consciousness......, >Mark Kincaid...10/20

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Dear Mark ji,

I think now we are getting a glimpse of relation of free will and

determinism.....

I always wondered ... what happens to us is very much according to

the wish of self.....

let me explain:

our mind always looks into greed ...its convenience...its familiar

patterns....

now i know in my deep that to change...to transform i need this

particular....whether its liked or not.....

what happens to us is as per our this very wish.....

I am also talking of all serious matters...all failures...all

accidents ...mishappenings etc.....

But it is our outer concious that denies....does not accept.....

"There was not a single happening in my life whether at that time

liked by me or not ,transformed in apositive manner....during that

transition it seemed sometimes that this transformation is gobbling

up my very nice qualities also....so i suspected to go wrong.....but

i found at very core this is the only way so let it happen....at last

i found transformation renewed everything all positively....

i realized this was the right time and right thing to happen....ALSO

I WAS WISHING THIS TO HAPPEN(NOT IN SAME PATTERN AS WE CAN NOT THINK

OF EVENTS WAY TO HAPPEN) BUT I WAS UNABLE TO INITIATE THAT

TRANSFORMATION...WE OFTEN WAIT FOR SOMETHING DONE BY DESTINY IN OUR

FAVOUR......" what we can do is to let it happen positively.........

 

I may be wrong in using right words.....pls correct me!!

Humbly....

Amit

 

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Mary:

>

> You said:

>

> Perhaps we even choose the cards that are dealt in order to put us

in the

> right environment to learn the lessons we need to get it right!!

>

> There's this very fascinating book, called 'Journey of Souls'

written by a

> certain Michael Newton, PHD. He's a Hypnotherapist, living in

Colorado, who

> chronicles, patients of his, who under 'regression' talk about the

life,

> from 'where' we come from, before our births, and in-between our

births...

>

> In this book he describes such beautiful detail about how we as

souls,

> actually get very involved in picking the lives, that are coming

up, before

> hand...

>

> As it is, deciding and chooseing to pick the challenges and

lessons, that

> certain lives will necessarily bring...for our evolution.

>

> I found this book extremely enlightening, as it explains a quality

of

> consciousness, that's intimately involved in Astrology as well.

>

>

> And this question and concern addresses a very important

relationship

> between life purpose, and Jyotish.

>

> We so often 'feel' such an automatic, desire to grow, to learn to

master.

>

> And that's so often at odds, with the all too often, aspect of life,

> regarding determinism or causality.

>

> Somehow the two, freedom and determinism both co-exist.

>

> We see them both, but knowing how they both could truely exist

boggles the

> intellect.

>

> However, practical experience shows us, that by striving to grow, to

> improve, to even transform, we do 'change' our lives....

>

> in ways that improve, and help us avoid negatives, and

even 'dangers upon

> the horizon'.

>

> I find this whole discussion extremely important especially in the

light of

> the Indian or Vedic theme of loss and revival of Knowledge.

>

> There are some, Vedic scholars, by the way, who say that 'India'

has gotten

> very 'lost' to this belief in fatalism. And as a result practical

life has

> become very confused and unprogressive.

>

> India, for example, has forgotten that 'both' freedom and fate, co-

exist,

> and believing in mostly fate, has meant much stagnation, grief,

sufferings,

> because the view has persisted; because life is

> pre-determined,....therefore....accept ....

>

> In the West, we don't believe in this...

>

> We believe in growth, in change and transformation.

>

> We have it even, built into the Constitution of the United

States....

>

> Though commonly we just say, 'any young person, male or female; can

grow up

> to be President!'

>

> This attitude, really, has therefore allowed human genuity and

creativity to

> blossom.

>

> As a result of this powerful 'belief', the United States has

incredible

> wealth and sucess.

>

> Looking at one of the charts associated with the United States,

July 4th,

> 1776, the signing of the Declaration of Independence...

>

> the US, chart, has many planets in that all-important 8th house of

> transformation.

>

> 'The US' believes in change, thrives in it, has many other

problems, of

> youth, and Rahu's very poorly placed...but....

>

> 'change' and growth, are not one of them....

>

>

> It's been quite fun watching these discussions the last few days...

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

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"Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...>

>

> Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:02:56 +0000

>

> RE: 2-Surya, > Re: freedom & causality..&."PLAYING

WITH

> THEGRANDMASTER!"., >Mark Kincaid...10/18

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> I've lost track of who wrote this. Sorry. Please could you give

the

> reference. Note the word CHOOSE in the quote!

>

> To quote a famous Vedic Scholoar: "life lived on the level of

> experimentation is a waste of time. Better to know the truth

through Vedic

> Wisdom, and then choose the more right actions."

>

> Perhaps we even choose the cards that are dealt in order to put us

in the

> right environment to learn the lessons we need to get it right!!

How can it

> be like a chess game the if conditions are different with each

incarnation?

> We don't start a new life with the same pieces to play on the same

board.

>

>

> Since you brought in physics ...

> Remember that everything in the universe comes from humble hydrogen

atoms

> and the forces, energies (and music?) that holds them together.

When

> hydrogen atoms are forced together to produce helium and then all

the other

> higher elements heat and light energy are given off (physics)

> Further compounds formed by the sharing of outer orbit (aka

energy level,

> shell) electrons of elements give more substances. (chemistry)

> The unique quality of carbon having an outer orbit of 4 electrons

and

> seeking another 4 to fill its outer orbit (2nd orbit is full at 8

electrons)

> gives the chance for long strings or rings of carbon atoms and for

> macromolecules ( biology) We carbon units need the heat and light

of the

> fusion of hydrogen to exist

> How pure it is!

>

> ... and where did the hydrogen atoms come from ... the primordial

ocean of

> sub atomic particles ... the cosmic ocean ...

> The sages knew all this.

> Love Gili

> Sorry for drifting away from the task )

>

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